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vAgain?
Author: Raine
Date: 02/03/2011 13:35:32
No that's not a typo in the title. Once again, friends, it's time to talk vagina. We've done it before here on this blog, when discussing sanctioned rape against women by contractors like KBR and Halliburton and rape of military women by contractors. We've discussed the names of senators who voted against stopping these acts of violence on women. These things are horrible enough on there own, but as Bob brought up in yesterdays blog, the GOP wants to take the act of rape and redefine it. As Representative Wasserman Schultz rightfully says It really is -- to suggest that there is some kind of rape that would be okay to force a woman to carry the resulting pregnancy to term, and abandon the principle that has been long held, an exception that has been settled for 30 years, is to me a violent act against women in and of itself," [ ] "Rape is when a woman is forced to have sex against her will, and that is whether she is conscious, unconscious, mentally stable, not mentally stable."
This is what the GOP has deemed a top priority now that they are in the majority. Denying women and teens access to a procedure that is legal in this country for there own political agenda is more important to them than a jobs package or funding government. So why this? why now?
It's to make the Hyde Amendment permanent, and it's to further deteriorate medicaid among other things. From Wiki: The Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of certain federal funds to pay for abortions. It is not a permanent law, rather it is a "rider" that, in various forms, has been routinely attached to annual appropriations bills since 1976. The Hyde Amendment applies only to funds allocated by the annual appropriations bill for the Department of Health and Human Services. It primarily affects Medicaid.
This bill however doesn't only affect medicaid and the less fortunate. From Mother Jones: It also prevents employers from taking a tax deduction for offering an insurance plan that covered abortion.
It is an affront to me that the GOP would take 2 of the most difficult issues a woman should have to deal with and use it as political fodder. My body is not up for debate. No man in the world gets to define what I constitute as abuse. They can remove the word forcible from the bill, but it still doesn't change the spirit if what is happening here. This is no longer a wedge issue, it's reality. The GOP is once again proving they disdain woman and we can't be trusted with our own bodies. They really do believe they own our vaginas and are using them to prevent people from gaining access to a legal procedure here in America. The GOP has no shame.
& 
Raine
The broad anti-abortion measure would restrict federally-assisted abortion coverage to cases of "forcible rape," excluding in that definition instances where women are drugged and raped, where women say "no" but do not physically fight off the perpetrator, and various cases of date rape. It also excludes instances of statutory rape in which minors are impregnated by adults. The victim in all cases would be denied abortion coverage under Medicaid and forbidden from seeking health care tax benefits.
Introduced by Rep. Chris Smith (R-NJ), the bill boasts 173 mainly Republican co-sponsors and has been designated a top priority by House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH).
This is what the GOP has deemed a top priority now that they are in the majority. Denying women and teens access to a procedure that is legal in this country for there own political agenda is more important to them than a jobs package or funding government. So why this? why now?
It's to make the Hyde Amendment permanent, and it's to further deteriorate medicaid among other things. From Wiki: The Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of certain federal funds to pay for abortions. It is not a permanent law, rather it is a "rider" that, in various forms, has been routinely attached to annual appropriations bills since 1976. The Hyde Amendment applies only to funds allocated by the annual appropriations bill for the Department of Health and Human Services. It primarily affects Medicaid.
This bill however doesn't only affect medicaid and the less fortunate. From Mother Jones:
Republicans propose that the rape exemption be limited to "forcible rape." This would rule out federal assistance for abortions in many rape cases, including instances of statutory rape, many of which are non-forcible. For example: If a 13-year-old girl is impregnated by a 24-year-old adult, she would no longer qualify to have Medicaid pay for an abortion. (Smith's spokesman did not respond to a call and an email requesting comment.)
Given that the bill also would forbid the use of tax benefits to pay for abortions, that 13-year-old's parents wouldn't be allowed to use money from a tax-exempt health savings account (HSA) to pay for the procedure. They also wouldn't be able to deduct the cost of the abortion or the cost of any insurance that paid for it as a medical expense.
It is an affront to me that the GOP would take 2 of the most difficult issues a woman should have to deal with and use it as political fodder. My body is not up for debate. No man in the world gets to define what I constitute as abuse. They can remove the word forcible from the bill, but it still doesn't change the spirit if what is happening here. This is no longer a wedge issue, it's reality. The GOP is once again proving they disdain woman and we can't be trusted with our own bodies. They really do believe they own our vaginas and are using them to prevent people from gaining access to a legal procedure here in America. The GOP has no shame.
& Raine
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 02/03/2011 14:00:22
wickedpam on 02/03/2011 14:00:22
Morning 
You forgot that since they want to repel HIR that 13yr old now has a pre-existing condition and won't be able to get health insurance unless she's on her parents or employeed or married and on her husbands insurance.
Seriously these people make me tired
You forgot that since they want to repel HIR that 13yr old now has a pre-existing condition and won't be able to get health insurance unless she's on her parents or employeed or married and on her husbands insurance.
Seriously these people make me tired
Comment by 
Raine on 02/03/2011 14:04:36
That's right.
They make me sick. They really do.
Raine on 02/03/2011 14:04:36
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
You forgot that since they want to repel HIR that 13yr old now has a pre-existing condition and won't be able to get health insurance unless she's on her parents or employeed or married and on her husbands insurance.
Seriously these people make me tired
They make me sick. They really do.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/03/2011 14:12:11
wickedpam on 02/03/2011 14:12:11
I don't understand why they are so scared of women that they have to keep them dependant on others
Comment by Raine on 02/03/2011 14:22:00
it gives them a sense of power?
I don;t know why either. after all this time, I don;t know why.
Raine on 02/03/2011 14:22:00
Quote by wickedpam:
I don't understand why they are so scared of women that they have to keep them dependant on others
it gives them a sense of power?
I don;t know why either. after all this time, I don;t know why.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 02/03/2011 14:24:23
Scoopster on 02/03/2011 14:24:23
Morning all! I just want you all to know that when I'm ruler of the world, vaginas everywhere will be worshiped for the superior objects they are. 
Comment by Raine on 02/03/2011 14:26:47
I can support this!
Raine on 02/03/2011 14:26:47
Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all! I just want you all to know that when I'm ruler of the world, vaginas everywhere will be worshiped for the superior objects they are.
I can support this!
Comment by 
BobR on 02/03/2011 14:34:28
You have to wonder about female Republicans supporting this...
BobR on 02/03/2011 14:34:28
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
I don't understand why they are so scared of women that they have to keep them dependant on others
it gives them a sense of power?
You have to wonder about female Republicans supporting this...
Comment by Raine on 02/03/2011 14:38:10
Raine on 02/03/2011 14:38:10
Comment by Raine on 02/03/2011 14:52:20
Raine on 02/03/2011 14:52:20
David Bender is so much fun when he's on the big shoe......
Looking forward to Karl's Frisch' announcement -- I'm all a tingle....
Looking forward to Karl's Frisch' announcement -- I'm all a tingle....
Comment by Raine on 02/03/2011 14:55:00
Raine on 02/03/2011 14:55:00
Dick and Rummy have houses in MARYLAND???
Comment by wickedpam on 02/03/2011 15:02:29
wickedpam on 02/03/2011 15:02:29
Yeah, I heard that a while ago - on the eastern shore I think
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 02/03/2011 15:03:04
velveeta jones on 02/03/2011 15:03:04
This blog has ruined my day.
Comment by Raine on 02/03/2011 15:04:48
Go play Wii....
Raine on 02/03/2011 15:04:48
Quote by velveeta jones:
This blog has ruined my day.
Go play Wii....
Comment by Raine on 02/03/2011 15:08:16
Raine on 02/03/2011 15:08:16
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Raine on 02/03/2011 15:10:09
Raine on 02/03/2011 15:10:09
twitterers: follow @BullfightStrat NOW!
Comment by Raine on 02/03/2011 15:13:32
Raine on 02/03/2011 15:13:32
This is really big news.
A progressive consulting firm. This is gonna be hUge!
A progressive consulting firm. This is gonna be hUge!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/03/2011 15:15:15
it'll be nice to know that someone is working on getthing the message out
wickedpam on 02/03/2011 15:15:15
Quote by Raine:
This is really big news.
A progressive consulting firm. This is gonna be hUge!
it'll be nice to know that someone is working on getthing the message out
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/03/2011 15:17:01
aye aye cap'n!!
velveeta jones on 02/03/2011 15:17:01
Quote by Raine:Quote by velveeta jones:
This blog has ruined my day.
Go play Wii....
aye aye cap'n!!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/03/2011 15:19:43
And now I want to be home playing my games instead of at work *sigh*
wickedpam on 02/03/2011 15:19:43
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:Quote by velveeta jones:
This blog has ruined my day.
Go play Wii....
aye aye cap'n!!
And now I want to be home playing my games instead of at work *sigh*
Comment by Raine on 02/03/2011 15:24:57
I am sending an email, seeing if they would like help.
I'd love to be a part of something like this.
Raine on 02/03/2011 15:24:57
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
This is really big news.
A progressive consulting firm. This is gonna be hUge!
it'll be nice to know that someone is working on getthing the message out
I'd love to be a part of something like this.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/03/2011 15:28:01
Very Cool
wickedpam on 02/03/2011 15:28:01
Quote by Raine:I am sending an email, seeing if they would like help.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
This is really big news.
A progressive consulting firm. This is gonna be hUge!
it'll be nice to know that someone is working on getthing the message out
I'd love to be a part of something like this.
Very Cool
Comment by 
m-hadley on 02/03/2011 15:51:22
m-hadley on 02/03/2011 15:51:22
Raine,
I spent a fitful night experiencing gruesome flashbacks to a rape that I experienced over 30 years ago. I wrote a piece that is too long to post here, but I am wondering if it might make a difference if we collected all of these rape stories (as another friend of mine wrote yesterday "rape is as common as a cold") in one spot on the web and then present the collection of stories to Congress or something. My experience, as terrible it was for me, was no doubt not as horrible as what other women have experienced. I am not suggesting that any woman out there feel like she should relive a painful part of her past, but if there are those who may feel that sharing their stories may be cathartic and may also help to persuade the bastards in Washington DC that they need to back off and not try to renege on 30 years of progress toward promoting true equality for women. I would truly appreciate your thoughts on whether this idea is worth pursuing. If you would like to read about my experience with rape, I am happy to share it with whoever would like to read it. Thanks for your post today. I hope that the rats in DC read it and think about it and talk to the women in their lives and ask them about their thoughts on "redefining rape."
mfaye
I spent a fitful night experiencing gruesome flashbacks to a rape that I experienced over 30 years ago. I wrote a piece that is too long to post here, but I am wondering if it might make a difference if we collected all of these rape stories (as another friend of mine wrote yesterday "rape is as common as a cold") in one spot on the web and then present the collection of stories to Congress or something. My experience, as terrible it was for me, was no doubt not as horrible as what other women have experienced. I am not suggesting that any woman out there feel like she should relive a painful part of her past, but if there are those who may feel that sharing their stories may be cathartic and may also help to persuade the bastards in Washington DC that they need to back off and not try to renege on 30 years of progress toward promoting true equality for women. I would truly appreciate your thoughts on whether this idea is worth pursuing. If you would like to read about my experience with rape, I am happy to share it with whoever would like to read it. Thanks for your post today. I hope that the rats in DC read it and think about it and talk to the women in their lives and ask them about their thoughts on "redefining rape."
mfaye
Comment by wickedpam on 02/03/2011 16:01:55
wickedpam on 02/03/2011 16:01:55
Faye
Comment by Raine on 02/03/2011 16:07:16
I really do think it would be wonderful for women to have a place to share the stories, anonymously.
I've been there myself. perhaps it is time for us to come together and tell these people that rape has many different faces and circumstances. There is no place on the web for that right now?
Raine on 02/03/2011 16:07:16
Quote by m-hadley:
Raine,
I spent a fitful night experiencing gruesome flashbacks to a rape that I experienced over 30 years ago. I wrote a piece that is too long to post here, but I am wondering if it might make a difference if we collected all of these rape stories (as another friend of mine wrote yesterday "rape is as common as a cold") in one spot on the web and then present the collection of stories to Congress or something. My experience, as terrible it was for me, was no doubt not as horrible as what other women have experienced. I am not suggesting that any woman out there feel like she should relive a painful part of her past, but if there are those who may feel that sharing their stories may be cathartic and may also help to persuade the bastards in Washington DC that they need to back off and not try to renege on 30 years of progress toward promoting true equality for women. I would truly appreciate your thoughts on whether this idea is worth pursuing. If you would like to read about my experience with rape, I am happy to share it with whoever would like to read it. Thanks for your post today. I hope that the rats in DC read it and think about it and talk to the women in their lives and ask them about their thoughts on "redefining rape."�
mfaye
I really do think it would be wonderful for women to have a place to share the stories, anonymously.
I've been there myself. perhaps it is time for us to come together and tell these people that rape has many different faces and circumstances. There is no place on the web for that right now?
Comment by m-hadley on 02/03/2011 16:19:16
A quick Google search turned up the following sites, but I am thinking of a site where women could post their rape experiences anonymously for the purpose of demonstrating to the idiots in DC that rape has many many faces and that it is not their place to redefine an experience that so many women have lived through.
Pandora's Project
http://www.pandys.org/
Chat room and support site.
Silent all these years
http://www.welcometobarbados.org/sstories/main.html
This site is no longer accepting posts.
mfaye
m-hadley on 02/03/2011 16:19:16
Quote by Raine:Quote by m-hadley:
Raine,
I spent a fitful night experiencing gruesome flashbacks to a rape that I experienced over 30 years ago. I wrote a piece that is too long to post here, but I am wondering if it might make a difference if we collected all of these rape stories (as another friend of mine wrote yesterday "rape is as common as a cold") in one spot on the web and then present the collection of stories to Congress or something. My experience, as terrible it was for me, was no doubt not as horrible as what other women have experienced. I am not suggesting that any woman out there feel like she should relive a painful part of her past, but if there are those who may feel that sharing their stories may be cathartic and may also help to persuade the bastards in Washington DC that they need to back off and not try to renege on 30 years of progress toward promoting true equality for women. I would truly appreciate your thoughts on whether this idea is worth pursuing. If you would like to read about my experience with rape, I am happy to share it with whoever would like to read it. Thanks for your post today. I hope that the rats in DC read it and think about it and talk to the women in their lives and ask them about their thoughts on "redefining rape."�
mfaye
I really do think it would be wonderful for women to have a place to share the stories, anonymously.
I've been there myself. perhaps it is time for us to come together and tell these people that rape has many different faces and circumstances. There is no place on the web for that right now?
A quick Google search turned up the following sites, but I am thinking of a site where women could post their rape experiences anonymously for the purpose of demonstrating to the idiots in DC that rape has many many faces and that it is not their place to redefine an experience that so many women have lived through.
Pandora's Project
http://www.pandys.org/
Chat room and support site.
Silent all these years
http://www.welcometobarbados.org/sstories/main.html
This site is no longer accepting posts.
mfaye
Comment by wickedpam on 02/03/2011 16:26:26
wickedpam on 02/03/2011 16:26:26
visually I'm picturing a wall or maybe a fence with paper's attached that would be women's experiences
Comment by m-hadley on 02/03/2011 16:32:59
m-hadley on 02/03/2011 16:32:59
I like the image, Mala...
Here is another site that has individuals' stories on it:
http://personalispolitical.tripod.com/id26.html
Thanks for the thought
Here is another site that has individuals' stories on it:
http://personalispolitical.tripod.com/id26.html
Thanks for the thought
Quote by wickedpam:
visually I'm picturing a wall or maybe a fence with paper's attached that would be women's experiences
Comment by wickedpam on 02/03/2011 16:45:31
wickedpam on 02/03/2011 16:45:31
oohhh but Chris Jazz could ride Cuddles!
Comment by 
livingonli on 02/03/2011 17:22:27
livingonli on 02/03/2011 17:22:27
Good day everyone. It sucks that because I work late, I go to bed late and can't get up in the morning.
Comment by m-hadley on 02/03/2011 18:00:03
m-hadley on 02/03/2011 18:00:03
Good to see you Liv,
I am here this morning 'cause TU is closed all week because of the snow storm that blew in on Tuesday and I am taking advantage to stop in at my favorite sites. I finally finished shovelling my driveway- now if I could just get the gate open - I could go somewhere
Glad you got some sleep, Livin!
Cheers,
mfaye
I am here this morning 'cause TU is closed all week because of the snow storm that blew in on Tuesday and I am taking advantage to stop in at my favorite sites. I finally finished shovelling my driveway- now if I could just get the gate open - I could go somewhere
Glad you got some sleep, Livin!
Cheers,
mfaye
Quote by livingonli:
Good day everyone. It sucks that because I work late, I go to bed late and can't get up in the morning.
Comment by Scoopster on 02/03/2011 18:08:31
Scoopster on 02/03/2011 18:08:31
Hiyas Faye! How ya been?
How ya been?
Comment by m-hadley on 02/03/2011 18:13:42
m-hadley on 02/03/2011 18:13:42
Hanging in there, Scoop, and you?
mfaye
mfaye
Quote by Scoopster:
Hiyas Faye!
Comment by livingonli on 02/03/2011 18:14:47
livingonli on 02/03/2011 18:14:47
It seems like what people have to do in their own lives have been why the blog ranks have thinned out a bit. We miss your presence here, mfaye.
Comment by m-hadley on 02/03/2011 18:18:23
m-hadley on 02/03/2011 18:18:23
I know Livin, I miss hanging out with you guys, work has been a real chore and an imposition on my web surfing 
it is nice to have a few days when I can do as I please online - i feel so freeeee :)
Cheers,
mfaye
it is nice to have a few days when I can do as I please online - i feel so freeeee :) Cheers,
mfaye
Quote by livingonli:
It seems like what people have to do in their own lives have been why the blog ranks have thinned out a bit. We miss your presence here, mfaye.
Comment by Raine on 02/03/2011 19:09:32
Raine on 02/03/2011 19:09:32
Faye, I like what you are saying, I want to do a little research into this and put a few feelers out there.
(sorry, I am feeling better, but I still get really sleepy. )
(sorry, I am feeling better, but I still get really sleepy. )
Comment by m-hadley on 02/03/2011 19:39:45
m-hadley on 02/03/2011 19:39:45
No problem, Raine, I know it takes a few days to get your strength back - take it easy, okay? Let me know what i can do, okay? Plus I saw that they have already taken out the most onorous language - I think that they are already responding to the overwhelming response from women who are all just saying "NO!"
:heart:
mfaye
:heart:
mfaye
Quote by Raine:
Faye, I like what you are saying, I want to do a little research into this and put a few feelers out there.
(sorry, I am feeling better, but I still get really sleepy. )
Comment by m-hadley on 02/03/2011 19:48:49
m-hadley on 02/03/2011 19:48:49
But I think that we gotta watch these bastids like hawks - they will not miss a single opportunity to shove their fundamentalist (neanderthal) values onto the rest of the unsuspecting country. I think that the entire notion of limiting abortion is not the top priority that the citizens of this country want Wash DC working on right now - they are playing to their most basest base. ugh 
mfaye
mfaye
Comment by Raine on 02/03/2011 20:12:01
Raine on 02/03/2011 20:12:01
ooOOoo is randi going to talk about the SOA???
Comment by Raine on 02/03/2011 20:14:03
I want to talk to bobber.
I will prolly call you this weekend -- so start thinking more about this.
Raine on 02/03/2011 20:14:03
Quote by m-hadley:
But I think that we gotta watch these bastids like hawks - they will not miss a single opportunity to shove their fundamentalist (neanderthal) values onto the rest of the unsuspecting country. I think that the entire notion of limiting abortion is not the top priority that the citizens of this country want Wash DC working on right now - they are playing to their most basest base. ugh
mfaye
I will prolly call you this weekend -- so start thinking more about this.
Comment by Raine on 02/03/2011 20:15:14
I know they removed that term... It still doesn't change the spirit of what they are trying to do.
Raine on 02/03/2011 20:15:14
Quote by m-hadley:
No problem, Raine, I know it takes a few days to get your strength back - take it easy, okay? Let me know what i can do, okay? Plus I saw that they have already taken out the most onorous language - I think that they are already responding to the overwhelming response from women who are all just saying "NO!"
:heart:
mfayeQuote by Raine:
Faye, I like what you are saying, I want to do a little research into this and put a few feelers out there.
(sorry, I am feeling better, but I still get really sleepy. )
I know they removed that term... It still doesn't change the spirit of what they are trying to do.
Comment by 
TriSec on 02/03/2011 20:48:03
TriSec on 02/03/2011 20:48:03
Comment by 
clintster on 02/03/2011 20:56:43
clintster on 02/03/2011 20:56:43
BTW, 1310 The King in Atlanta has apparently gone off the air. They're still broadcasting on the internet, which gives me hope that they will attempt to find a new station or resurrect 1310 soon. We really need a continuous progressive voice on the radio down here, though.
Comment by clintster on 02/03/2011 20:58:04
clintster on 02/03/2011 20:58:04
Wait, did my comment just get eaten?
EDIT: Nevermind. For some reason, Firefox wasn't refreshing the page itself. Thank you, F5 button!
EDIT: Nevermind. For some reason, Firefox wasn't refreshing the page itself. Thank you, F5 button!
Comment by m-hadley on 02/03/2011 21:03:09
Raine,
I agree 100% - we need to defeat the entire legislation. I am open to any ideas that others may have regarding how to best keep the pressure on the congress critters as far as getting them to abandon this lousy bill.
mfaye
m-hadley on 02/03/2011 21:03:09
Quote by Raine:Quote by m-hadley:
No problem, Raine, I know it takes a few days to get your strength back - take it easy, okay? Let me know what i can do, okay? Plus I saw that they have already taken out the most onorous language - I think that they are already responding to the overwhelming response from women who are all just saying "NO!"
:heart:
mfayeQuote by Raine:
Faye, I like what you are saying, I want to do a little research into this and put a few feelers out there.
(sorry, I am feeling better, but I still get really sleepy. )
I know they removed that term... It still doesn't change the spirit of what they are trying to do.
Raine,
I agree 100% - we need to defeat the entire legislation. I am open to any ideas that others may have regarding how to best keep the pressure on the congress critters as far as getting them to abandon this lousy bill.
mfaye
Comment by livingonli on 02/03/2011 22:10:20
I thought the progressive talker was at 1640 or something. At least that's the station that carries Thom Hartmann. Our local station 1600 is only live for local shows and Ed. All the other national shows air on delay here and there are still shows that don't air in New York like Steph whose hour was dropped by 1600 just as she was leaving New York to go back to LA and just before she came out.
livingonli on 02/03/2011 22:10:20
Quote by clintster:
BTW, 1310 The King in Atlanta has apparently gone off the air. They're still broadcasting on the internet, which gives me hope that they will attempt to find a new station or resurrect 1310 soon. We really need a continuous progressive voice on the radio down here, though.
I thought the progressive talker was at 1640 or something. At least that's the station that carries Thom Hartmann. Our local station 1600 is only live for local shows and Ed. All the other national shows air on delay here and there are still shows that don't air in New York like Steph whose hour was dropped by 1600 just as she was leaving New York to go back to LA and just before she came out.
Comment by Raine on 02/03/2011 22:21:26
Oh crap.
Clint you should try to get in touch with them, tell them that you noticed.
THEN -- tell them to get in touch with http://bullfightstrategies.com/press.htm
Raine on 02/03/2011 22:21:26
Quote by clintster:
BTW, 1310 The King in Atlanta has apparently gone off the air. They're still broadcasting on the internet, which gives me hope that they will attempt to find a new station or resurrect 1310 soon. We really need a continuous progressive voice on the radio down here, though.
Oh crap.
Clint you should try to get in touch with them, tell them that you noticed.
THEN -- tell them to get in touch with http://bullfightstrategies.com/press.htm