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Taxes, Jobs, the Deficit, the Economy, and Everything
Author: BobR    Date: 2011-03-02 11:00:00


or: Why the Republicans are wrong about all of the above...(apologies to Douglas Adams)

There seem to be two schools of thought in Washington these days: Those that think that government intervention in the economy is the answer, and those that think it is the problem. Republicans have long held onto the belief (well - at least since the Reagan days) that if government stays out of the way of The Invisible Hand of The Free Market (cue heavenly chorus) then all of our problems in the economy will be resolved. The Democrats think that the problem with the free market is the human factor, with greed that results in monopolies and dubious ethical behavior. Let's dig a little deeper...

It was Reagan that introduced the notion that cutting taxes would magically reduce the deficit. The rationale was that if rich people had more money, they would create jobs and thus the income taxes on the new low wage earners would somehow more than offset the taxes lost from the rich, and reduce the deficit. It didn't make sense then (George Bush the Elder properly referred to it as "voodoo economics"), and it doesn't make sense now. In fact, after cutting taxes, Reagan had to raise them again.

Along with the fantasy math is the false notion that rich people create jobs. Why would they? They're already rich. Jobs are subject to the same driving forces as "the free market": supply & demand. When there is a demand for a product or service, there will be a job to create and/or deliver that product or service. If a company has more orders than they can deliver, they will hire more people. If they are meeting the orders they have, there is little incentive to hire, even if they can afford to. If they need money temporarily to hire, they don't seek out rich people - they borrow from the bank.

The converse of that is that when they have more staff than necessary, at some point they will likely cut employees. This is what happened in 2008. When the economy crashed, people and companies stopped spending money. With orders dropping, companies no longer had a reason to maintain staff levels. This resulted in the dramatic rise in unemployment.

Unfortunately, this is a vicious spiral. When a person gets laid off, they dramatically curtail their spending. This affects other companies, who then have to lay off employees, etc.

The trigger for the crash involves credit. A company's cash flow is rarely steady. There are good months and bad months, and at the end of the year they look at the numbers and plan for next year. If a company is lucky, they have cash reserves for the slow months. A lot of companies, however, play it a bit closer. They count on available credit, dipping into it during slow months, and paying it back during flush months.

When Wall Street and the banks were teetering on the brink in late 2008 / early 2009, the credit available for companies dried up. This caused companies to suddenly get conservative with their spending, because now they had to rely on their own cash reserves to pay their employees during lean months. This helped cause the aforementioned economic crash, as companies stopped spending, causing economic distress for their suppliers, and so on down the line.

This is why the hated bailout for banks was necessary. Making credit available was vitally important to ensure that companies could operate. Unfortunately, the bank bailout pushed through in the waning days of the Bush administration did not come with the strings attached to force banks to provide the needed credit.

This meant that the Obama administration had to goose the economy from the other end. Using the laws of supply & demand, they made funds available for "shovel ready" projects, so states and localities would hire workers and contractors to do work, knowing that the employees would be spending most of their paychecks, thus creating the demand that would create jobs in the supply chains. It seems to be working, but unfortunately not dramatically enough to prevent huge losses for the Democrats in the 2010 elections.

Another ongoing problem with the current state of low taxes is the division of wealth. When taxes are low, those at the top are inclined to amass as much wealth as possible. As we've seen already (and as income statistics show), that wealth does not "trickle" downhill. The rich have gotten richer, the poor have gotten poorer, and the middle class is disappearing. What can be done to ensure that money gets in the hands of those that will spend it, thus driving the engine of our economy?

The answer is counter-intuitive: raise taxes, especially on business profits. In a carrot/stick scenario, this is known as "the stick". So what would the carrot be? The best incentive would be tax incentives for companies that invest in their infrastructure, including hiring new staff. If a company knew it would be penalized with taxes for profit-taking (and giving big bonuses to the upper management), and could instead save on their taxes by updating aging equipment, rehiring, or retooling, they would likely do the latter. This would put money in circulation, resulting in more jobs, and more taxes to drive down the deficit.

But wait - didn't I say that companies won't hire just because they have money, if they don't have a need for that employee? Well yes, but... Most companies today are struggling to operate with reduced staff, with employees often doing two jobs, or working long hours. They would gladly hire staff, but are concerned about money. If a tax incentive sweetens the deal, they would likely take the plunge. As the economy improves, they will want to hold onto their best employees, so overworking them is not in the company's best interests.

In addition, companies that choose to update equipment, software, and retool manufacturing are putting demand into the product supply chains, and those demands will need to be fullfilled by working employees. That will result in the suppliers hiring, and those new employees will be buying personal products and paying taxes, resulting in more jobs, more tax revenue, and - once again - lower deficits. This is also a spiral, but in the desired direction.

Tax rates are lower now than they were during Reagan's presidency when unemployment was rebounding from a high. Tax rates are lower now than they were during the Clinton presidency when we were actually running a budget surplus, paying back debt from previous deficits. Lower taxes - despite assurances from the Republicans - have made matters worse, not better.

The answers of course means that the government would need to raise taxes and interfere with The Free Market (cue heavenly chorus), something that is anathema to Republicans - which is why they are wrong about jobs, taxes, the deficit, and the economy.

 

68 comments (Latest Comment: 03/02/2011 20:51:43 by Raine)
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Comment by trojanrabbit on 03/02/2011 13:32:33
Hey, what gives. What happened to the livestream?

Comment by wickedpam on 03/02/2011 13:39:41
Morning

Comment by Raine on 03/02/2011 13:59:44
BRAVO BOB!

and Good morning everyone!

Comment by trojanrabbit on 03/02/2011 14:09:40
Morning all

I'm still waiting for the job offer and now I'm getting a bit antsy. I put a call in yesterday with no response. I do realize that the corporate stuff is going to take a while but still.....

From talking to my former co-workers (who I'll still be dealing with as this position will be in the corporate "family) this has been in the works ever since I was let go. And it would seem counter-productive to spend 7 figures for a lab with no one to run it.

I wish there was something else to drink at Panera besides coffee.......

Comment by trojanrabbit on 03/02/2011 14:16:25
This Lori is an idiot.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 03/02/2011 14:20:00
I'm getting massively sick of the Charlie Sheen crap.

F*** Hollywood. Seriously.

Comment by Raine on 03/02/2011 14:22:07
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Morning all

I'm still waiting for the job offer and now I'm getting a bit antsy. I put a call in yesterday with no response. I do realize that the corporate stuff is going to take a while but still.....

From talking to my former co-workers (who I'll still be dealing with as this position will be in the corporate "family) this has been in the works ever since I was let go. And it would seem counter-productive to spend 7 figures for a lab with no one to run it.

I wish there was something else to drink at Panera besides coffee.......
It sounds like everything is ready to go, except HR.

Hang in there, Rabbit!


Comment by Raine on 03/02/2011 14:25:27
I don't if I am happy or relieved that I got 5/15 wrong. this is how crazy these 3 men are.

It’s Time to Play ‘Sheen, Beck, or Qaddafi


Comment by trojanrabbit on 03/02/2011 14:25:30
Quote by Raine:
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Morning all

I'm still waiting for the job offer and now I'm getting a bit antsy. I put a call in yesterday with no response. I do realize that the corporate stuff is going to take a while but still.....

From talking to my former co-workers (who I'll still be dealing with as this position will be in the corporate "family) this has been in the works ever since I was let go. And it would seem counter-productive to spend 7 figures for a lab with no one to run it.

I wish there was something else to drink at Panera besides coffee.......
It sounds like everything is ready to go, except HR.

Hang in there, Rabbit!


You're right. When the Engineering Manager says the job is yours you tend to believe it. But I also know the circumstances that led to me being let go.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 03/02/2011 14:26:54
What a load of Wanker BS.

If they believe what he says, they deserve the consequences.

Comment by TriSec on 03/02/2011 14:31:26
Morning, comrades.



Comment by Raine on 03/02/2011 14:55:30
http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/files/2011/02/mike03012011.jpg


Comment by trojanrabbit on 03/02/2011 15:04:00
Comment by Raine on 03/02/2011 15:15:32
Well this sucks, but I can't really say I am surprised.

Supreme Court rules for anti-gay church over military funeral protests

Comment by Scoopster on 03/02/2011 15:18:33
Morning all!

Quote by trojanrabbit:
Morning all

I'm still waiting for the job offer and now I'm getting a bit antsy. I put a call in yesterday with no response. I do realize that the corporate stuff is going to take a while but still.....

From talking to my former co-workers (who I'll still be dealing with as this position will be in the corporate "family) this has been in the works ever since I was let go. And it would seem counter-productive to spend 7 figures for a lab with no one to run it.

I wish there was something else to drink at Panera besides coffee.......

Actually their lemonade and orange juice are quite good.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 03/02/2011 15:20:16
Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all!

Quote by trojanrabbit:
Morning all

I'm still waiting for the job offer and now I'm getting a bit antsy. I put a call in yesterday with no response. I do realize that the corporate stuff is going to take a while but still.....

From talking to my former co-workers (who I'll still be dealing with as this position will be in the corporate "family) this has been in the works ever since I was let go. And it would seem counter-productive to spend 7 figures for a lab with no one to run it.

I wish there was something else to drink at Panera besides coffee.......

Actually their lemonade and orange juice are quite good.


If not too sweet for me. Their only diet drink is Diet Pepsi * bleeeech *

Comment by TriSec on 03/02/2011 15:23:51
Quote by Raine:
Well this sucks, but I can't really say I am surprised.

Supreme Court rules for anti-gay church over military funeral protests


Well, fuck them.




Comment by Raine on 03/02/2011 15:24:43
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Raine:
Well this sucks, but I can't really say I am surprised.

Supreme Court rules for anti-gay church over military funeral protests


Well, fuck them.



I'm surprised Walker hasn't called them up and asked them to protest the Unions in MAdison.

"God hates Unions"

Comment by Scoopster on 03/02/2011 15:29:37
Quote by Raine:
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Raine:
Well this sucks, but I can't really say I am surprised.

Supreme Court rules for anti-gay church over military funeral protests

Well, fuck them.

I'm surprised Walker hasn't called them up and asked them to protest the Unions in Madison.

"God hates Unions"

Ugh don't give him any ideas.. unless you're recording the call.


Comment by trojanrabbit on 03/02/2011 15:34:48
It's really getting serious.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q225/trojanrabbit74/Fark%20stuff/OssRq.jpg


Comment by Raine on 03/02/2011 15:36:40
Quote by trojanrabbit:
It's really getting serious.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q225/trojanrabbit74/Fark%20stuff/OssRq.jpg



Comment by Raine on 03/02/2011 15:37:26
Did anyone have strangeness just now on the feed?

Comment by wickedpam on 03/02/2011 15:40:50
and again proving the point of right-wingers and humor - not so much

Comment by wickedpam on 03/02/2011 15:41:05
Quote by Raine:
Did anyone have strangeness just now on the feed?


how so?


Comment by Scoopster on 03/02/2011 15:43:20
omg...

http://www.the-ghetto.org/Miscellaneous/wisconsin.jpg


Comment by Raine on 03/02/2011 15:49:20
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Did anyone have strangeness just now on the feed?


how so?
It scrambled, cut to a PSA and then back to Schuster. weird.


Comment by Raine on 03/02/2011 15:56:57
Comment by Raine on 03/02/2011 16:01:45
WTF? Did you just hear that? 2 soldiers were shot in Germany?

Comment by Raine on 03/02/2011 16:03:30
Quote by Raine:
WTF? Did you just hear that? 2 soldiers were shot in Germany?

France 24 is reporting 2 dead, 2 seriously injured.

Comment by TriSec on 03/02/2011 16:03:33
Say Virginia Wing of el Blog....Check these guys out.

You've got a better chance at helping them out in Arlington someday.


Comment by Raine on 03/02/2011 16:04:41
So is Der spiegel:

Two people are dead and two further seriously injured after a shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport, the country's largest international hub. A suspect has been arrested, and reports are emerging that the victims were part of the US military.

A gunman at Frankfurt Airport, Germany's largest international hub, reportedly fired at several United States soldiers in a military bus on Wednesday, killing at least two people and seriously injuring two others. Wire reports suggest the two dead were likely American soldiers.


Comment by Raine on 03/02/2011 16:06:52
BTW, this seems like a pretty good news feed. France 24 (please tell me they aren;t owned by murdoch and that sort of ilk. )

Comment by wickedpam on 03/02/2011 16:08:41
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Did anyone have strangeness just now on the feed?


how so?
It scrambled, cut to a PSA and then back to Schuster. weird.



weird, mine was fine - although ktlk is cutting out randomly

Comment by wickedpam on 03/02/2011 16:11:19
Quote by Raine:
So is Der spiegel:

Two people are dead and two further seriously injured after a shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport, the country's largest international hub. A suspect has been arrested, and reports are emerging that the victims were part of the US military.

A gunman at Frankfurt Airport, Germany's largest international hub, reportedly fired at several United States soldiers in a military bus on Wednesday, killing at least two people and seriously injuring two others. Wire reports suggest the two dead were likely American soldiers.



worlds gonna frickin off the rails


Comment by trojanrabbit on 03/02/2011 16:17:13
I suck at "photoshopping" but I couldn't resist.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q225/trojanrabbit74/Cats/luckyfox.jpg


Comment by wickedpam on 03/02/2011 16:19:02
aawww

Comment by Raine on 03/02/2011 16:27:44


I heard about this, but seeing it is too awesome.

Flash (esque) mob perform in Madison's capitol building.



Comment by velveeta jones on 03/02/2011 16:28:32


Great, why don't we just jump ahead and have a petri dish of sperm and egg testify. Sheesh.

Oh, Fantastic blog! And I love Douglas Adams!


Comment by Raine on 03/02/2011 16:31:04
Quote by trojanrabbit:
I suck at "photoshopping" but I couldn't resist.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q225/trojanrabbit74/Cats/luckyfox.jpg
That's a winner to me.


Comment by Scoopster on 03/02/2011 16:32:02
Quote by Raine:


I heard about this, but seeing it is too awesome.

Flash (esque) mob perform in Madison's capitol building.




Comment by Raine on 03/02/2011 16:32:29
Quote by velveeta jones:


Great, why don't we just jump ahead and have a petri dish of sperm and egg testify. Sheesh.

Oh, Fantastic blog! And I love Douglas Adams!
Lizz Winstead had the best retort this far:

Dick Cheney doesn't have a pulse. Why not drag him into that Ohio Courtroom and put him on the stand after the fetus testifies
.


Comment by wickedpam on 03/02/2011 16:34:29
Quote by Raine:


I heard about this, but seeing it is too awesome.

Flash (esque) mob perform in Madison's capitol building.




look at all those thugs who knew they liked musical theatre

Comment by Raine on 03/02/2011 16:36:49
Quote by wickedpam:
look at all those thugs who knew they liked musical theatre
and to boot: FRENCH GAY musical theatre!


Comment by wickedpam on 03/02/2011 16:37:42
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
look at all those thugs who knew they liked musical theatre
and to boot: FRENCH GAY musical theatre!





Comment by Scoopster on 03/02/2011 16:43:35
Comment by trojanrabbit on 03/02/2011 16:45:15
...and yes, I did post it in the thread.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 03/02/2011 16:47:31
Quote by Raine:


I heard about this, but seeing it is too awesome.

Flash (esque) mob perform in Madison's capitol building.




Comment by wickedpam on 03/02/2011 16:48:36
I just downloaded angry birds,

Comment by BobR on 03/02/2011 16:52:46
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
look at all those thugs who knew they liked musical theatre
and to boot: FRENCH GAY musical theatre!

There is nothing gay about Les Miserables! harumph...