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Author: Raine    Date: 03/21/2011 12:44:59

I heard the news today, oh boy.... This is real ugly stuff. It's also VERY Graphic.
Some of the activities of the self-styled "kill team" are already public, with 12 men currently on trial in Seattle for their role in the killing of three civilians.

Five of the soldiers are on trial for pre-meditated murder, after they staged killings to make it look like they were defending themselves from Taliban attacks.

Other charges include the mutilation of corpses, the possession of images of human casualties and drug abuse.

All of the soldiers have denied the charges. They face the death penalty or life in prison if convicted.

The case has already created shock around the world, particularly with the revelations that the men cut "trophies" from the bodies of the people they killed.

An investigation by Der Spiegel has unearthed approximately 4,000 photos and videos taken by the men.

The magazine, which is planning to publish only three images, said that in addition to the crimes the men were on trial for there are "also entire collections of pictures of other victims that some of the defendants were keeping".
The fear is that the fallout from this will be worse than that of Abu Graib. Like that situation, I have long held the belief that the public should be informed, but I don't personally need to see those photos. The same applies to this situation as well. Like Abu Graib, the photos are out. 3 of them will be enough to spark more Anti-US sentiment.

This madness has to end. We have been occypying Afghanistan since 2001. Staff Sergeant Calvin Gibbs is 25 years old. The math isn't that hard to do. Half of his life has swirled with war. There are many others like him.

We have an entire generation that has grown up with war. The time has come to bring our troops home. There is far more to this story, a story that has widely gone unreported in our American media. From Australia
New documents released by the US Army paint a disturbing picture of depravity, deceit and savage internal discipline involving at least 12 Stryker soldiers from Washington during their recent deployment to Afghanistan.

The soldiers, all from the same company in the 5th Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, are charged with a total of 76 crimes, including the premeditated murders of three Afghan civilians and the beating of one or more fellow soldiers.

One soldier is alleged to have stabbed a corpse last December.

{snip}

Gibbs also was allegedly one of the seven soldiers who participated in the May 5 beating of a fellow soldier. He threatened "to kill him if he spoke about hashish use within the platoon,'' according to charging documents.

On another occasion, the records allege Gibbs threatened to injure Winfield by saying: "I'm going to send you home by dropping a tow bar on you.'' He allegedly urged Winfield to lie to investigators about the civilian killings and drug use in the platoon, according to the documents.
From Wikipedia: The whistleblower, Spc. Jeremy N. Morlock, was subjected to a serious beating on May 5, 2010. On May 7, 2010, the investigation into the beating brought the killings to light. Gibbs had served previous tours in both Afghanistan and Iraq. He doesn't look completely innocent though. From the New York Times
Specialist Jeremy M. Morlock and four other American soldiers are accused in the killings of three Afghan civilians. Specialist Morlock could face a court-martial and a possible death sentence.

The solider was allegedly among the members of an American Army unit who, consumed with drug use, randomly chose Afghan civilians to kill and then failed to report the abuses out of fear they would suffer retaliation from their commander, according to testimony in a military court at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Wash., on Sept. 27, 2010. Specialist Morlock, who grew up in Wasilla, Alaska, appeared in court but did not testify.

On the same day, a videotape in the case was leaked showing Specialist Morlock talking to investigators about the killings in gruesome detail with no apparent emotion..
These are not soldiers, these are socio-pathological murderers. MASS murderers. This madness, this insanity must end. This is sadistic and evil. These are War Crimes of the most hideous sort. I want those that knew, or decided to look away to be held responsible. From Wired magazine:
At first blush, officers in the death-squad’s brigade may have been similarly lax. According to a detailed report on the brigade in December — shortly before the first killing — by Army Times‘ Sean Naylor, its commander, Colonel Harry Tunnell adopted the motto “Strike — Destroy” after his soldiers encountered heavier fighting than expected. It’s a long way from General Stanley McChrystal’s orders to protect Afghan civilians from harm.

Naylor reports that some of Tunnell’s frontline units were even more focused on killing perceived enemy than he was. “There’s definitely a disconnect between the platoon and company level and the battalion and brigade level,” an anonymous Charlie Company soldier told Naylor. That was not uniformly the case: Charlie Company’s commander, Captain Joel Kassulke, wanted to conduct more of a classic counterinsurgency mission. Tunnell yanked away Kassulke’s command after the company took heavy casualties. (Apparently this is a story that escaped the attention of marquee journalists who visited the brigade.)
I have not been able to confirm if the Commander being held responsible for not commanding the Stryker Brigade. It appears he was relieved of Command July 2010. He wasn't exactly a stable guy it seems. CSMonitior writes
The Monitor interviewed a dozen officers and officials who have served with Tunnell or who witnessed him leading troops in recent years. As active-duty members of the military, they could speak only on condition of anonymity because of Pentagon strictures against talking to the press without official clearance.

Some sources suggest that Tunnell set a tone that was not only out of line with Pentagon doctrine, but was inflammatory and potentially dangerous.

“When you feel violent intent coming down from the command and into the culture of the brigade, that’s when you end up with things like the rogue platoon,” says a senior US military official who worked with the brigade in early 2009 at the National Training Center before it deployed to Afghanistan. “He established a culture that allowed that kind of mindset to percolate. And there are second- and third-order effects that come with that. Clearly, the guys who were pulling the trigger are the proximate cause of the crime, but the culture itself is the enabler.”


While so many on the right are faux outraged at the detention Private Manning in Quanitco, perhaps the outrage would be better spent to weed out such hideousness from our armed forces. Libya is a bad situation, I know, but Afghanistan has to stop. We are supposed teach soldiers to kill in a war theatre, not to murder and slaughter civilians. Something is seriously broken here.


Raine
 

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Comment by wickedpam on 03/21/2011 13:14:17
Morning from home

Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 13:18:39
Comment by BobR on 03/21/2011 13:19:57
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning from home

sick? or taking the day off?

Comment by Scoopster on 03/21/2011 13:24:00
Comment by wickedpam on 03/21/2011 13:26:08
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning from home

sick? or taking the day off?



well, I'd scheduled a doc appointment over a month ago for today so I took the day off - they called at 3:30 on friday and left a message at my home number saying they were still working on getting the insurance to ok the visit. Now I don't get home till about 7pm so I was and am pissed on a few levels

since I had already taken the day off and set up another meeting for something else I decided to stick with the day off. Its a good thing I have a lot of vacation


Comment by TriSec on 03/21/2011 13:30:30
Morning comrades.

Calling all bloggers - I have two days to give up in the next few weeks.

Saturday, April 9
Saturady, May 14

I'm taking woodbadge training and will be in the field both weekends, no contact.



Comment by Scoopster on 03/21/2011 13:30:41
I wrote a Haiku
but it wasn't any good
so I gave it up

Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 13:35:06
Quote by TriSec:
Morning comrades.

Calling all bloggers - I have two days to give up in the next few weeks.

Saturday, April 9
Saturady, May 14

I'm taking woodbadge training and will be in the field both weekends, no contact.

Ooo those might be rough for me. WE have a few weekend trips in the works, Bob and I will try to hammer out the details, and f We can I'll take them.


Comment by wickedpam on 03/21/2011 13:37:41
Quote by Raine:
Quote by TriSec:
Morning comrades.

Calling all bloggers - I have two days to give up in the next few weeks.

Saturday, April 9
Saturady, May 14

I'm taking woodbadge training and will be in the field both weekends, no contact.

Ooo those might be rough for me. WE have a few weekend trips in the works, Bob and I will try to hammer out the details, and f We can I'll take them.



hmm - May 14 is my 1 By Youth community marathon and April 9 is a fundraising day - the 9th is possible if I post the night before - let me get back to ya on that one

Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 13:39:32
Quote by wickedpam:
hmm - May 14 is my 1 By Youth community marathon and April 9 is a fundraising day - the 9th is possible if I post the night before - let me get back to ya on that one

You can post the night before and set it up to auto post the next morning!

Comment by wickedpam on 03/21/2011 13:44:32


Comment by TriSec on 03/21/2011 13:46:13
And nobody missed the irony of starting ANOTHER war in the Middle East on the anniversary of the ongoing one, right?



Comment by BobR on 03/21/2011 13:46:41
oh btw...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY LIVIN' !!!




Comment by BobR on 03/21/2011 13:47:06
Quote by TriSec:
And nobody missed the irony of starting ANOTHER war in the Middle East on the anniversary of the ongoing one, right?


yeah, we noticed.

Comment by BobR on 03/21/2011 13:48:01
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
hmm - May 14 is my 1 By Youth community marathon and April 9 is a fundraising day - the 9th is possible if I post the night before - let me get back to ya on that one

You can post the night before and set it up to auto post the next morning!


okay - I'll give it a try but if I break the blog trying to autopost I'm saying I'm sorry now

Just set the "do not display before" date to the next morning. That's why sometimes my blogs show up with dates of the night before

Comment by wickedpam on 03/21/2011 13:53:50
Quote by BobR:
oh btw...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY LIVIN' !!!





yes! Happy B-Day Liv!!!



Comment by wickedpam on 03/21/2011 13:54:17
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
hmm - May 14 is my 1 By Youth community marathon and April 9 is a fundraising day - the 9th is possible if I post the night before - let me get back to ya on that one

You can post the night before and set it up to auto post the next morning!


okay - I'll give it a try but if I break the blog trying to autopost I'm saying I'm sorry now

Just set the "do not display before" date to the next morning. That's why sometimes my blogs show up with dates of the night before



okey dokey

Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 14:12:43
Word has it they took out Qadaffi compound in Tripoli.

Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 14:14:07
HERe is a little more information.
The building is located in Bab al-Azizia, a sprawling compound that Gaddafi has often used as a backdrop for television addresses, and which was also bombed by the United States in 1986.

It was unclear if the missile strike led to any casualties and it is also unknown if Gaddafi was at the location or not.


Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 14:23:45
Hal is doing a great job today.

Comment by TriSec on 03/21/2011 14:31:55
If I remember correctly from 1986 (when Reagan tried to take him out), Khadafi is quite paranoid; he never sleeps in the same place on two consecutive nights.



Comment by wickedpam on 03/21/2011 14:35:03
Quote by Raine:
Hal is doing a great job today.



I like it when Hal subs

Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 14:38:17
Quote by TriSec:
If I remember correctly from 1986 (when Reagan tried to take him out), Khadafi is quite paranoid; he never sleeps in the same place on two consecutive nights.

That makes sense. They don't where he is now. I think it's safe to say he won't be sleeping at the Tripoli compound anytime soon.


Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 14:38:50
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Hal is doing a great job today.



I like it when Hal subs
I loved Frangela (still do) but he seems like a better fill in fit.


Comment by wickedpam on 03/21/2011 14:39:55
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Hal is doing a great job today.



I like it when Hal subs
I loved Frangela (still do) but he seems like a better fill in fit.


who was it before Frangela? I can't remember - you definatly have to have humor and facts to do this show

Comment by BobR on 03/21/2011 14:49:09
Quote by Raine:
HERe is a little more information.
The building is located in Bab al-Azizia, a sprawling compound that Gaddafi has often used as a backdrop for television addresses, and which was also bombed by the United States in 1986.

It was unclear if the missile strike led to any casualties and it is also unknown if Gaddafi was at the location or not.

Hmmm... I thought the justification was to enforce the UN no-fly zone resolution. This seems to be overstepping that.

Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 14:55:36
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Hal is doing a great job today.



I like it when Hal subs
I loved Frangela (still do) but he seems like a better fill in fit.


who was it before Frangela? I can't remember - you definatly have to have humor and facts to do this show
Rita Rudner was one if I recall.




Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 14:56:16
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Raine:
HERe is a little more information.
The building is located in Bab al-Azizia, a sprawling compound that Gaddafi has often used as a backdrop for television addresses, and which was also bombed by the United States in 1986.

It was unclear if the missile strike led to any casualties and it is also unknown if Gaddafi was at the location or not.

Hmmm... I thought the justification was to enforce the UN no-fly zone resolution. This seems to be overstepping that.
I'm thinking that as well.

This might be why the Arab league has protestations about what is happening.


Comment by wickedpam on 03/21/2011 15:00:50
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Hal is doing a great job today.



I like it when Hal subs
I loved Frangela (still do) but he seems like a better fill in fit.


who was it before Frangela? I can't remember - you definatly have to have humor and facts to do this show
Rita Rudner was one if I recall.





wow I didn't even remember that

Comment by TriSec on 03/21/2011 15:09:25
Changing gears, did anyone go out and look at the Supermoon the other night?

I did, and while I didn't notice any naked-eye differences in apparent size, I noted that ol' Apollo was shining with a bright white light (rather like Venus). On a regular night, it's got a far more yellowish tinge to it.



Comment by BobR on 03/21/2011 15:10:57
Quote by TriSec:
Changing gears, did anyone go out and look at the Supermoon the other night?

I did, and while I didn't notice any naked-eye differences in apparent size, I noted that ol' Apollo was shining with a bright white light (rather like Venus). On a regular night, it's got a far more yellowish tinge to it.


We missed moonrise, but we did see it. The moon seemed very bright, but obviously, naked eye comparisons are worthless.


Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 15:13:51
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Hal is doing a great job today.



I like it when Hal subs
I loved Frangela (still do) but he seems like a better fill in fit.


who was it before Frangela? I can't remember - you definatly have to have humor and facts to do this show
Rita Rudner was one if I recall.





wow I didn't even remember that
Sorry, it was Elayne Boosler


Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 15:16:15
Quote by Raine: Sorry, it was Elayne Boosler
AND Merrill Markoe. (went to the Wiki!! )


Comment by wickedpam on 03/21/2011 15:20:49
Quote by BobR:
Quote by TriSec:
Changing gears, did anyone go out and look at the Supermoon the other night?

I did, and while I didn't notice any naked-eye differences in apparent size, I noted that ol' Apollo was shining with a bright white light (rather like Venus). On a regular night, it's got a far more yellowish tinge to it.


We missed moonrise, but we did see it. The moon seemed very bright, but obviously, naked eye comparisons are worthless.



I heard you could only tell if you saw it rise from the horizon. But it still was a bright beautiful moon - light up my backyard

Comment by wickedpam on 03/21/2011 15:21:45
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Raine: Sorry, it was Elayne Boosler
AND Merrill Markoe. (went to the Wiki!! )


Oh that's right Auntie Elaine.

I didn't really like Merrill Markoe something about her I just don't find funny

Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 15:27:31
Well, I suspect the haters needed a diversion from Obama hate. Nancy Pelosi has been hospitalized with a minor ailment in Rome

I GUARANTEE the RWNJs in Freeperville are already all over this with hate and swill

Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 15:35:50
Quote by Raine:
Well, I suspect the haters needed a diversion from Obama hate. Nancy Pelosi has been hospitalized with a minor ailment in Rome

I GUARANTEE the RWNJs in Freeperville are already all over this with hate and swill
Nancy Pelosi is out of an Italian hospital, a source familiar with the matter confirms for @thefix.
I trust Chris Cillizza, so this is very good news.


Comment by TriSec on 03/21/2011 15:37:53
Quote by Raine:
Well, I suspect the haters needed a diversion from Obama hate. Nancy Pelosi has been hospitalized with a minor ailment in Rome

I GUARANTEE the RWNJs in Freeperville are already all over this with hate and swill


Ah yes, compassionate conservatives. I read a few comments in the Globe forums a ways back when our late Senior Senator was first diagnosed. That's one of the reasons why I don't waste my time in newspaper forums anymore.

You've said it here before, and I'll echo it; as much as I personally loathe Dick Cheney, I wouldn't wish any ill health upon him. That's for a higher power to decide.




Comment by wickedpam on 03/21/2011 15:42:15
oh lord

Comment by wickedpam on 03/21/2011 15:49:27
oh well signing out early to get ready for a meeting with our property manager and run errands - check back later

Comment by TriSec on 03/21/2011 15:50:52
Happy Spring; it's snowing!

(shakes fist at sky)



Comment by TriSec on 03/21/2011 16:08:47
Shooting in Wisconsin

Two policemen down; a veteran was the triggerman.





Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 16:10:44
I want to highlight something. The other day, the President invoked the War Powers Resolution 1973. I think this is important (and I may very well be mistaken) regarding people saying that what Obama did was unconstitutional. I hated it when Bush did it, and I am not happy with it now. From WiKi:
The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541–1548) was a United States Congress joint resolution providing that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat. The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of Congress, overriding a presidential veto.
This goes back to Korea. I think it is disingenuous to say that Obama is like Bush... I want to make it clear that I am not justifying what is happening in Libya, nor am I unjustifying it (does that make sense? )

The very very important point (I think) is this: The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. Congress now has the responsibility to do something about this.

I have been been reading and it appears Obama is NOT willing to let our support of this action to continue on for weeks. I read one report that it is for DAYS at best.

Congress just happens to be on one those Constituent Work Week's The point is, when they return, they will probably have to vote on this issue.

I have to wonder how they will vote. I hope they won't have to at all. Just a thought.

I am still wondering if military force is ever justified. I remember our old friend Grumpyman once said, I am for peace, but I am not a pacifist. That stayed with me all these many years. I don't believe this is as black & white as some may think.

Comment by BobR on 03/21/2011 16:16:13
Quote by Raine:
I want to highlight something. The other day, the President invoked the War Powers Resolution 1973. I think this is important (and I may very well be mistaken) regarding people saying that what Obama did was unconstitutional. I hated it when Bush did it, and I am not happy with it now. From WiKi:
The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541–1548) was a United States Congress joint resolution providing that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat. The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of Congress, overriding a presidential veto.
This goes back to Korea. I think it is disingenuous to say that Obama is like Bush... I want to make it clear that I am not justifying what is happening in Libya, nor am I unjustifying it (does that make sense? )

The very very important point (I think) is this: The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. Congress now has the responsibility to do something about this.

I have been been reading and it appears Obama is NOT willing to let our support of this action to continue on for weeks. I read one report that it is for DAYS at best.

Congress just happens to be on one those Constituent Work Week's The point is, when they return, they will probably have to vote on this issue.

I have to wonder how they will vote. I hope they won't have to at all. Just a thought.

I am still wondering if military force is ever justified. I remember our old friend Grumpyman once said, I am for peace, but I am not a pacifist. That stayed with me all these many years. I don't believe this is as black & white as some may think.

I remember during his press conference from Brazil, Obama said that he discussed this with leaders in Congress before taking action. I don't know if this qualifies as notifying Congress or if the press conference does.

Regardless, it will be interesting to see if the commitment extends beyond the 60 days. I doubt it will last 10 years.

Comment by Scoopster on 03/21/2011 16:19:31
Missed this over the weekend.. Warren Christopher has died.

Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 16:21:03
For the record, there are 2 1973 resolutions, the war powers one I mentioned -- I believe THIS is the one that the POTUS used to throw support behind this one:

SECURITY COUNCIL APPROVES ‘NO-FLY ZONE’ OVER LIBYA, AUTHORIZING ‘ALL NECESSARY

MEASURES’ TO PROTECT CIVILIANS, BY VOTE OF 10 IN FAVOUR WITH 5 ABSTENTIONS




Comment by livingonli on 03/21/2011 16:26:04
Good day everyone. I just hope it's not a sign that the weather is crappy and rainy for my birthday. Good thing I had no plans because I don't feel like going out.

Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 16:30:37
And... AFTER I added those last few posts. I learned the Dennis Kucinich is calling for Obama's impeachment.

Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 16:34:57
Now that you are awake and with us, Liv...


HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!


Comment by Raine on 03/21/2011 16:40:39
I'm trying to honestly square away this idea of unilateralism and this Nation being a member of the United Nations. Congress should come back to session immediately. Boehner could make that happen.