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Crabs in a Pot.
Author: Raine
Date: 07/25/2011 13:00:49
I am reposting this from a friend's Facebook Note, she has given me permission to repost. I have removed her name for privacy pruposes. I have found the original blog it is sourced from. ===========================
I repost this today, because over the weekend I had read someone repeating the meme stated by Cornell West that the President is a "Black Reagan". I found the comment insensitive, insulting and racist. When I questioned the person about it, the excuse basically went like this: "Cornell West said it, so I don't see why I can't".
Eventually the conversation devolved into my being accused of being a sycophant for calling out this comment. I was an obambot and all that other nasty name calling. Funny thing was, I wasn't defending the President at all, I was trying to point out that this was a racist comment. The result was ugliness, and this is why what West is saying is bad. My friend posted the above note and it was geared towards people in her community, but I really see a larger problem here, and that's by saying these things, West is doing a real disservice not just to the community my friends speaks of, but also to those that don't quite get that some things should not be repeated just because it fits their narrative of being displeased with the President - in this case, a mostly white progressive community.
You, it seems that this line of thinking would make it ok for them to call the President a House N****r if Cornell West said it. Is it okay for everyone to say it as well? That is the danger of what I see Cornell West doing. I generally wonder to whom Mr. West is talking to these days. If it's to the Black Community, I can't see how this is not an insult to said community, and if it's to the Emo-Progressive Community, it will only serve to whip up more animosity towards the President. Either way - no one wins. Think about this: why does anyone need to call Obama a "Black Reagan" if they didn't like Reagan as a white man, will adding black in front of his name make us hate him more?
Sometimes -- and it happens to all of us, we say stupid racist things, it doesn't necessarily make you a racist -- it makes one human. Having someone point that out isn't a bad thing, learning from the experience is priceless. Doubling down to further name calling is just sad. Now I want steamed crabs with drawn butter.
and 
Raine
Crabs in a Boiling Pot~A Fable July 24, 2011
This fable is not related to the President in any fashion; it is to describe people like Cornel West and other black so-called scholars and pseudo-intellectuals.
A Fable: (from Whose Planet Is It Anyway? by abfh (Autistic B), February 11, 2008
“A bunch of crabs were sitting in a barrel at a seafood restaurant, waiting to be cooked. One of them said to the others, “Hey, you know what, if we all climb to the top and push on the lid, it’ll come off and then we can escape.”
The other crabs all laughed. They knew it was impossible to escape. What could this foolish dreamer be thinking? It was nonsense. Couldn’t be done. Not even worth trying. After a few minutes, when it was clear he wouldn’t be getting any help, the one hopeful crab climbed up and started pushing on the lid alone.
The other crabs just laughed harder, until they heard a faint creaking noise and realized that the lid was starting to shift a little. Then they all got angry. How dare one crab try to escape by himself? He was just another crab, and he needed to be shown that he was no better than the rest of them.
So they grabbed the crab who had been trying to escape and dragged him back down to the bottom of the barrel. They all got cooked and eaten soon afterward, but at least they had the satisfaction of knowing that no other crab was able to achieve more than they had”.
This fable describes perfectly people like West, Smiley, and a whole of other black people who call themselves "black scholars".
I have been around for long enough to have seen the characteristics described in the fable above many, many time among my community. The fable describes the “crabs in a barrel syndrome” which, in my opinion perfectly fits people like West, Tavis Smiley, and a whole host black commentators, pundits and gasbags that appear on networks (CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, and Fox) at the behest of the white excuses for journalists that pollute the air waves for the sole purpose of trashing the President.
We all know and see daily what the excuses for journalist do in this country to try to undermine the President. But there are some things that they don't have the man-parts (or woman) enough to say so they bring on these "black crabs" to do the deed.
Eventually the conversation devolved into my being accused of being a sycophant for calling out this comment. I was an obambot and all that other nasty name calling. Funny thing was, I wasn't defending the President at all, I was trying to point out that this was a racist comment. The result was ugliness, and this is why what West is saying is bad. My friend posted the above note and it was geared towards people in her community, but I really see a larger problem here, and that's by saying these things, West is doing a real disservice not just to the community my friends speaks of, but also to those that don't quite get that some things should not be repeated just because it fits their narrative of being displeased with the President - in this case, a mostly white progressive community.
You, it seems that this line of thinking would make it ok for them to call the President a House N****r if Cornell West said it. Is it okay for everyone to say it as well? That is the danger of what I see Cornell West doing. I generally wonder to whom Mr. West is talking to these days. If it's to the Black Community, I can't see how this is not an insult to said community, and if it's to the Emo-Progressive Community, it will only serve to whip up more animosity towards the President. Either way - no one wins. Think about this: why does anyone need to call Obama a "Black Reagan" if they didn't like Reagan as a white man, will adding black in front of his name make us hate him more?
Sometimes -- and it happens to all of us, we say stupid racist things, it doesn't necessarily make you a racist -- it makes one human. Having someone point that out isn't a bad thing, learning from the experience is priceless. Doubling down to further name calling is just sad. Now I want steamed crabs with drawn butter.
and Raine
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Comment by 
Scoopster on 07/25/2011 13:06:47
Scoopster on 07/25/2011 13:06:47
Mornin' all & Happy Mondee! 
Missed this on Friday between the Norway bombing and the debt hostage negotiations..
Syria sees countrywide massive protests, Assad regime pushed to the brink by people power!
Missed this on Friday between the Norway bombing and the debt hostage negotiations..
Syria sees countrywide massive protests, Assad regime pushed to the brink by people power!
Comment by 
TriSec on 07/25/2011 13:10:02
TriSec on 07/25/2011 13:10:02
Morning, comrades.
Still trying to get my head around this Oslo thing. There's a whole world of bad going on there.
Still trying to get my head around this Oslo thing. There's a whole world of bad going on there.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 07/25/2011 13:11:01
wickedpam on 07/25/2011 13:11:01
Morning 
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 13:12:59
Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 13:12:59
Morning all. Tri Wow! besides the Oslo thing, what about the big tanker explosion in your home town?
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2011 13:13:11
wickedpam on 07/25/2011 13:13:11
oh my. I'm so not a person who has very good gaydar and I try not to judge anyone by the inflection of their voice - but Marcus Bachman! Oh my! 
Comment by TriSec on 07/25/2011 13:13:52
TriSec on 07/25/2011 13:13:52
I spent very little time online this weekend...I'm feeling two steps behind and a little out-of-touch right now.
Was this what it was like B.I.? (Before Internet). I don't remember.
Was this what it was like B.I.? (Before Internet). I don't remember.
Comment by 
Raine on 07/25/2011 13:15:44
I think that was a clip from Waiting for Guffman... 
Raine on 07/25/2011 13:15:44
Quote by wickedpam:
oh my. I'm so not a person who has very good gaydar and I try not to judge anyone by the inflection of their voice - but Marcus Bachman! Oh my!
Comment by TriSec on 07/25/2011 13:15:46
That's happened twice before along that stretch of road. One particularly bad one happened in the 50s; a school bus full of kids was involved in the fireball. Another incident in the early 70s resulted in an entire interchange being re-designed. It's not a safe stretch of road.
3 of the 5 worst intersections in the entire Commonwealth are in that stretch. (Essex & Broadway, Main & Broadway, and Walnut & Broadway.)
TriSec on 07/25/2011 13:15:46
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all. Tri Wow! besides the Oslo thing, what about the big tanker explosion in your home town?
That's happened twice before along that stretch of road. One particularly bad one happened in the 50s; a school bus full of kids was involved in the fireball. Another incident in the early 70s resulted in an entire interchange being re-designed. It's not a safe stretch of road.
3 of the 5 worst intersections in the entire Commonwealth are in that stretch. (Essex & Broadway, Main & Broadway, and Walnut & Broadway.)
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 13:16:08
He is so faaaaaaabulous! :jazz hands:
Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 13:16:08
Quote by wickedpam:
oh my. I'm so not a person who has very good gaydar and I try not to judge anyone by the inflection of their voice - but Marcus Bachman! Oh my!
He is so faaaaaaabulous! :jazz hands:
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 13:17:15
That thing you posted on the Rt 1 strip from Boston.com last night was really interesting. The splosion was just past all that, yes?
Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 13:17:15
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all. Tri Wow! besides the Oslo thing, what about the big tanker explosion in your home town?
That's happened twice before along that stretch of road. One particularly bad one happened in the 50s; a school bus full of kids was involved in the fireball. Another incident in the early 70s resulted in an entire interchange being re-designed. It's not a safe stretch of road.
3 of the 5 worst intersections in the entire Commonwealth are in that stretch. (Essex & Broadway, Main & Broadway, and Walnut & Broadway.)
That thing you posted on the Rt 1 strip from Boston.com last night was really interesting. The splosion was just past all that, yes?
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2011 13:17:45
Wow and now I must see Waiting for Guffman
wickedpam on 07/25/2011 13:17:45
Quote by Raine:I think that was a clip from Waiting for Guffman...Quote by wickedpam:
oh my. I'm so not a person who has very good gaydar and I try not to judge anyone by the inflection of their voice - but Marcus Bachman! Oh my!
Wow and now I must see Waiting for Guffman
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 13:18:39
You would LOVE it.
Raine on 07/25/2011 13:18:39
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I think that was a clip from Waiting for Guffman...Quote by wickedpam:
oh my. I'm so not a person who has very good gaydar and I try not to judge anyone by the inflection of their voice - but Marcus Bachman! Oh my!
Wow and now I must see Waiting for Guffman
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 13:19:55
Raine on 07/25/2011 13:19:55
Seriously tho, that Guffman clip sounds a hellova lot likes Marcus...
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 13:22:57
Watch it, love it. If you liked "Best in Show" or "A Mighty Wind" you will like "Guffman."
Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 13:22:57
Quote by Raine:You would LOVE it.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I think that was a clip from Waiting for Guffman...Quote by wickedpam:
oh my. I'm so not a person who has very good gaydar and I try not to judge anyone by the inflection of their voice - but Marcus Bachman! Oh my!
It is hilarious. Wow and now I must see Waiting for Guffman
Watch it, love it. If you liked "Best in Show" or "A Mighty Wind" you will like "Guffman."
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2011 13:23:21
Its the same guy that did A Mighty Wind and Best in Show right? I bet that I would
Putting it in my Netflix que
wickedpam on 07/25/2011 13:23:21
Quote by Raine:You would LOVE it.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I think that was a clip from Waiting for Guffman...Quote by wickedpam:
oh my. I'm so not a person who has very good gaydar and I try not to judge anyone by the inflection of their voice - but Marcus Bachman! Oh my!
Wow and now I must see Waiting for Guffman
Its the same guy that did A Mighty Wind and Best in Show right? I bet that I would
Putting it in my Netflix que
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2011 13:24:36
cool - putting it in the que
wickedpam on 07/25/2011 13:24:36
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:You would LOVE it.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I think that was a clip from Waiting for Guffman...Quote by wickedpam:
oh my. I'm so not a person who has very good gaydar and I try not to judge anyone by the inflection of their voice - but Marcus Bachman! Oh my!
It is hilarious. Wow and now I must see Waiting for Guffman
Watch it, love it. If you liked "Best in Show" or "A Mighty Wind" you will like "Guffman."
cool - putting it in the que
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 13:28:34
Raine on 07/25/2011 13:28:34
Freeper land was actually supporting this terrorist asshole over the weekend.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 13:31:30
Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 13:31:30
Raine! The little old lesbians from the video you posted on FB identified in this article. A big blog congrats to to Phyllis Siegel & Connie Kopelov!
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 13:31:58
What awful people!
Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 13:31:58
Quote by Raine:
Freeper land was actually supporting this terrorist asshole over the weekend.
What awful people!
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 13:35:14
Wow, they were the first couple to be married in NYC?
Aww.
Raine on 07/25/2011 13:35:14
Quote by Mondobubba:
Raine! The little old lesbians from the video you posted on FB identified in this article. A big blog congrats to to Phyllis Siegel & Connie Kopelov!
In Manhattan, the first couple to marry were Phyllis Siegel, 77, and Connie Kopelov, 85, who have been together for 23 years.
Aww.
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 13:37:02
I am so glad that Chris found that about the Freepers.
Raine on 07/25/2011 13:37:02
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Freeper land was actually supporting this terrorist asshole over the weekend.
What awful people!
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 13:37:11
YES! I love them.
Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 13:37:11
Quote by Raine:Wow, they were the first couple to be married in NYC?Quote by Mondobubba:
Raine! The little old lesbians from the video you posted on FB identified in this article. A big blog congrats to to Phyllis Siegel & Connie Kopelov!In Manhattan, the first couple to marry were Phyllis Siegel, 77, and Connie Kopelov, 85, who have been together for 23 years.
Aww.
YES! I love them.
Comment by TriSec on 07/25/2011 13:47:25
Just past the Dinosaur.
And the Dino himself overlooks the re-designed intersection previously mentioned.
TriSec on 07/25/2011 13:47:25
Quote by Mondobubba:
That thing you posted on the Rt 1 strip from Boston.com last night was really interesting. The splosion was just past all that, yes?
Just past the Dinosaur.
And the Dino himself overlooks the re-designed intersection previously mentioned.
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 13:52:37
I started using #FuckYouGop hashtag last night. It worked better for me.
Raine on 07/25/2011 13:52:37
Quote by Scoopster:
Slacktivism at work.
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 13:58:36
Raine on 07/25/2011 13:58:36
The Gotcha Free market is at work again... Palin was defeated.
The movie received wide release back in June but failed to catch on with the masses, pulling in a measly $24,000 despite opening in 14 Tea Party friendly venues, reports The Wrap. An Atlantic writer witnessed the empty theater phenomenon firsthand.
Comment by 
BobR on 07/25/2011 14:00:36
BobR on 07/25/2011 14:00:36
Caller on Steph: "Obama's never proposed any legislation"
well DUH - that's not his job!! That's the job of Congress!
well DUH - that's not his job!! That's the job of Congress!
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 14:01:14
Someone did the math:
It averages out to 214 payers per theather.
or .............about 16 person per show.(3 showings.. Friday, 5 on Sat and Sun) at 8 dollars per admission.
Yeah, She's gonna run for POTUS...
Raine on 07/25/2011 14:01:14
Quote by Raine:
The Gotcha Free market is at work again... Palin was defeated.The movie received wide release back in June but failed to catch on with the masses, pulling in a measly $24,000 despite opening in 14 Tea Party friendly venues, reports The Wrap. An Atlantic writer witnessed the empty theater phenomenon firsthand.
Someone did the math:
It averages out to 214 payers per theather.
or .............about 16 person per show.(3 showings.. Friday, 5 on Sat and Sun) at 8 dollars per admission.
Yeah, She's gonna run for POTUS...
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 14:02:49
That guy was an idiot. A intellectually dishonest one at that.
Raine on 07/25/2011 14:02:49
Quote by BobR:
Caller on Steph: "Obama's never proposed any legislation"
well DUH - that's not his job!! That's the job of Congress!
Comment by TriSec on 07/25/2011 14:10:28
TriSec on 07/25/2011 14:10:28
Hah!
Like a good Loyalist, I have turned my back on the empty coffeepots and Office Santorum and have brewed myself a good cup of tea.
Like a good Loyalist, I have turned my back on the empty coffeepots and Office Santorum and have brewed myself a good cup of tea.
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 14:20:44
Raine on 07/25/2011 14:20:44
Datanion! 
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2011 14:38:33
wickedpam on 07/25/2011 14:38:33
I could have sworn that someone asked the prez about the 14th admendment at the town hall in MD last week. He said he'd had lawyers look at it and they didn't feel that he had a legal way to use it.
I could be wrong though - may not have heard the question right
I could be wrong though - may not have heard the question right
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 14:42:21
Um actually the Prez can propose legistlation. A senator or congressman needs to introduce it.
Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 14:42:21
Quote by Raine:That guy was an idiot. A intellectually dishonest one at that.Quote by BobR:
Caller on Steph: "Obama's never proposed any legislation"
well DUH - that's not his job!! That's the job of Congress!
Um actually the Prez can propose legistlation. A senator or congressman needs to introduce it.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 14:43:01
Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 14:43:01
TARP for example was proposed by the Exectutive Branch.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 14:47:40
Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 14:47:40
Hey August 7th, the footie season opens. Life will be good.
Comment by TriSec on 07/25/2011 14:47:46
TriSec on 07/25/2011 14:47:46
Friday's "Fresh Aire" was all about 'Mondosbane'. (Ants of all types, with some comments about Fire Ants.)
Interesting listening, for sure.
Interesting listening, for sure.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2011 14:58:05
wickedpam on 07/25/2011 14:58:05
Yay! Love AbFab!
Comment by Scoopster on 07/25/2011 15:03:46
Scoopster on 07/25/2011 15:03:46
Man, I am so fucking sick of reading DailyKos EVERY high-traffic leftie blog right now..
Folks, we may just be the only refuge of sanity left in the blogoverse.
Folks, we may just be the only refuge of sanity left in the blogoverse.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 15:07:01
Only the fire ant sir, only the fire ant.
Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 15:07:01
Quote by TriSec:
Friday's "Fresh Aire" was all about 'Mondosbane'. (Ants of all types, with some comments about Fire Ants.)
Interesting listening, for sure.
Only the fire ant sir, only the fire ant.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2011 15:11:51
wickedpam on 07/25/2011 15:11:51
Don't knock screw tops for wine, alot of winerys are going to that
Comment by TriSec on 07/25/2011 15:15:29
I'm rather fond of the artificial corks. Even George Dubuoef has been using them on the BJN in recent years.
(Easier to remove than natural...and they don't crumble!)
TriSec on 07/25/2011 15:15:29
Quote by wickedpam:
Don't knock screw tops for wine, alot of winerys are going to that
I'm rather fond of the artificial corks. Even George Dubuoef has been using them on the BJN in recent years.
(Easier to remove than natural...and they don't crumble!)
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 15:19:49
It's part of the long term growth package, you know.
Raine on 07/25/2011 15:19:49
Quote by Scoopster:
Man, I am so fucking sick of readingDailyKosEVERY high-traffic leftie blog right now..
Folks, we may just be the only refuge of sanity left in the blogoverse.
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 15:21:20
And in the end -- he has suggested legislation often - but really it is up to congress to write it. I think you understood what the point was. That caller was the one trying to say that Obama hasn't done anything.
Raine on 07/25/2011 15:21:20
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:That guy was an idiot. A intellectually dishonest one at that.Quote by BobR:
Caller on Steph: "Obama's never proposed any legislation"
well DUH - that's not his job!! That's the job of Congress!
Um actually the Prez can propose legistlation. A senator or congressman needs to introduce it.
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 15:22:34
I wish I didn't miss that Town hall. Was it a campaign stop or a WH Town hall? I ask because I'd like to fins the TRanscript.
Raine on 07/25/2011 15:22:34
Quote by wickedpam:
I could have sworn that someone asked the prez about the 14th admendment at the town hall in MD last week. He said he'd had lawyers look at it and they didn't feel that he had a legal way to use it.
I could be wrong though - may not have heard the question right
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 15:27:15
Well since I am not listening, I miss that part of the context. Of course the caller is full of it. He's done plenty. I'm just having flashbacks to all my polisci classses.
Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 15:27:15
Quote by Raine:And in the end -- he has suggested legislation often - but really it is up to congress to write it. I think you understood what the point was. That caller was the one trying to say that Obama hasn't done anything.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:That guy was an idiot. A intellectually dishonest one at that.Quote by BobR:
Caller on Steph: "Obama's never proposed any legislation"
well DUH - that's not his job!! That's the job of Congress!
Um actually the Prez can propose legistlation. A senator or congressman needs to introduce it.
Well since I am not listening, I miss that part of the context. Of course the caller is full of it. He's done plenty. I'm just having flashbacks to all my polisci classses.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2011 15:29:42
I"m not a fan of the synthetics, but I'm biased cause is real cork for crafting
wickedpam on 07/25/2011 15:29:42
Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
Don't knock screw tops for wine, alot of winerys are going to that
I'm rather fond of the artificial corks. Even George Dubuoef has been using them on the BJN in recent years.
(Easier to remove than natural...and they don't crumble!)
I"m not a fan of the synthetics, but I'm biased cause is real cork for crafting
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2011 15:30:09
not sure I hit the link the WH tweeted
wickedpam on 07/25/2011 15:30:09
Quote by Raine:I wish I didn't miss that Town hall. Was it a campaign stop or a WH Town hall? I ask because I'd like to fins the TRanscript.Quote by wickedpam:
I could have sworn that someone asked the prez about the 14th admendment at the town hall in MD last week. He said he'd had lawyers look at it and they didn't feel that he had a legal way to use it.
I could be wrong though - may not have heard the question right
not sure I hit the link the WH tweeted
Comment by Scoopster on 07/25/2011 16:44:08
Scoopster on 07/25/2011 16:44:08
Ya know, in all this handwringing over the hostage negotiations and all the unfounded fear-driven outrage at Obama that's taken over a large majority of the activist left..
One fact stands out above the rest - Extending the Bush Tax Cuts again is NOT part of any of these negotiations. It's not even up for consideration, except maybe in Cantor's garbage plan that is going nowhere. Which means that when Obama and Reid claim that their plans are revenue-neutral, you'll actually be pleased to know that they're lying through their teeth!
One fact stands out above the rest - Extending the Bush Tax Cuts again is NOT part of any of these negotiations. It's not even up for consideration, except maybe in Cantor's garbage plan that is going nowhere. Which means that when Obama and Reid claim that their plans are revenue-neutral, you'll actually be pleased to know that they're lying through their teeth!
Comment by 
livingonli on 07/25/2011 16:48:06
livingonli on 07/25/2011 16:48:06
Good day everyone. With all the crap going on no wonder why I feel burned out from politics a bit. But hey, it's dropped to a freezing 77 degrees here and the cat is now sleeping under my dresser.
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 18:02:20
I have been reading that this possible Reid plan is revenue nuetral because it means the Bush Tax cuts WILL expire.
And I reading that right, Scoop?
Raine on 07/25/2011 18:02:20
Quote by Scoopster:
Ya know, in all this handwringing over the hostage negotiations and all the unfounded fear-driven outrage at Obama that's taken over a large majority of the activist left..
One fact stands out above the rest - Extending the Bush Tax Cuts again is NOT part of any of these negotiations. It's not even up for consideration, except maybe in Cantor's garbage plan that is going nowhere. Which means that when Obama and Reid claim that their plans are revenue-neutral, you'll actually be pleased to know that they're lying through their teeth!
I have been reading that this possible Reid plan is revenue nuetral because it means the Bush Tax cuts WILL expire.
And I reading that right, Scoop?
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 18:08:16
Raine on 07/25/2011 18:08:16
I kinda like how Mat Inglesias puts it. Some good food for thought. AP radio news just said that Boner is calling for a 1 trilling dollar ceiling -- with a short term limit to it -- Obama has said that is a non starter. These guys are such pissants.
What Harry Reid did yesterday was essentially call the GOP’s bluff by outlining a plan that raises the debt ceiling by $2.7 trillion and includes $2.7 trillion in spending cuts, a healthy share of which comes from winding down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Republicans are rejecting this even though it nominally meets their demands. Why? Because it doesn’t achieve either of their two real objectives. In particular, the plan doesn’t cut Medicare, which means that Democratic party candidates for office in November 2012 and 2014 can accurately remind voters of the content of the Republican budget plan. In case you forgot, this plans repeals Medicare.
..snip...
Second, while Reid’s plan doesn’t raise taxes, it also doesn’t take tax increases off the table. Currently, the Bush tax cuts are scheduled to expire in 2012. If Reid’s all-cuts plan passes, that still leaves the door open to significant revenue increases. Now that doesn’t mean this is brilliant 11-dimensional chess. The Reid Plan is consistent with substantial revenues coming online in 2012, but that will only happen if President Obama and Senate Democrats stand firm and play hardball on the tax issue. Back in December 2010, they utterly failed to do so.
Comment by Scoopster on 07/25/2011 18:37:59
I haven't had a chance to read into the details of Reid's plan.. but from what I'm hearing the Republicans don't like it because it doesn't cut Medicare and it's a larger/more comprehensive plan than anyone else has come up with, including Obama.
Scoopster on 07/25/2011 18:37:59
Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
Ya know, in all this handwringing over the hostage negotiations and all the unfounded fear-driven outrage at Obama that's taken over a large majority of the activist left..
One fact stands out above the rest - Extending the Bush Tax Cuts again is NOT part of any of these negotiations. It's not even up for consideration, except maybe in Cantor's garbage plan that is going nowhere. Which means that when Obama and Reid claim that their plans are revenue-neutral, you'll actually be pleased to know that they're lying through their teeth!
I have been reading that this possible Reid plan is revenue nuetral because it means the Bush Tax cuts WILL expire.
And I reading that right, Scoop?
I haven't had a chance to read into the details of Reid's plan.. but from what I'm hearing the Republicans don't like it because it doesn't cut Medicare and it's a larger/more comprehensive plan than anyone else has come up with, including Obama.
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 18:55:13
that kinda jives with what I posted below.
Raine on 07/25/2011 18:55:13
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
Ya know, in all this handwringing over the hostage negotiations and all the unfounded fear-driven outrage at Obama that's taken over a large majority of the activist left..
One fact stands out above the rest - Extending the Bush Tax Cuts again is NOT part of any of these negotiations. It's not even up for consideration, except maybe in Cantor's garbage plan that is going nowhere. Which means that when Obama and Reid claim that their plans are revenue-neutral, you'll actually be pleased to know that they're lying through their teeth!
I have been reading that this possible Reid plan is revenue nuetral because it means the Bush Tax cuts WILL expire.
And I reading that right, Scoop?
I haven't had a chance to read into the details of Reid's plan.. but from what I'm hearing the Republicans don't like it because it doesn't cut Medicare and it's a larger/more comprehensive plan than anyone else has come up with, including Obama.
Comment by livingonli on 07/25/2011 18:55:54
livingonli on 07/25/2011 18:55:54
The GOP only wants to fuck over the poor and middle class, make the rich get richer and allow everything to crash in the hopes that people will be stupid enough to vote for their clown when it was the previous clown who created the situation in the first place.
clintster
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2011 19:23:01
wickedpam on 07/25/2011 19:23:01
A geek with too much time on his hands 
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 19:32:52
Raine on 07/25/2011 19:32:52
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 19:33:24
Raine on 07/25/2011 19:33:24
Comment by E_Joyce on 07/25/2011 19:38:37
If ever there were two crabs...Cornell West and Tavis Smiley are ridiculously childish and appear smaller every time they open their mouths. Smiley is STILL pouting because he waited until two weeks before his hot air event to contact now President Obama with an invitation. OF COURSE, the President was already booked. But he offered to send FLOTUS Obama as proxy. Tavis refused, which was ridiculous, and has been pouting ever since, losing his fan base from TJMS because they too thought he was being ridiculous. West lost all credibility with me by joining Tavis with their crabs in a barrel mentality and misusing the word "love" to cloak their verbal daggers. While Tavis has thought of himself as the "new Black American leader and voice" many have stopped listening. All talk and no real action can't even fly a hot air balloon and generally renders one impotent in relevancy. Their true agenda is just to hawk their books; they aren't leaders of anything except the crabs in their barrel.
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 19:47:38
Thanks for that E_ J
Raine on 07/25/2011 19:47:38
Quote by E_Joyce:
If ever there were two crabs...Cornell West and Tavis Smiley are ridiculously childish and appear smaller every time they open their mouths. Smiley is STILL pouting because he waited until two weeks before his hot air event to contact now President Obama with an invitation. OF COURSE, the President was already booked. But he offered to send FLOTUS Obama as proxy. Tavis refused, which was ridiculous, and has been pouting ever since, losing his fan base from TJMS because they too thought he was being ridiculous. West lost all credibility with me by joining Tavis with their crabs in a barrel mentality and misusing the word "love" to cloak their verbal daggers. While Tavis has thought of himself as the "new Black American leader and voice" many have stopped listening. All talk and no real action can't even fly a hot air balloon and generally renders one impotent in relevancy. Their true agenda is just to hawk their books; they aren't leaders of anything except the crabs in their barrel.
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 19:51:00
Raine on 07/25/2011 19:51:00
So by know I suspect you have heard Lonesome Roads Beck latest tirade?
The children slaughtered by a terrorist looked a little like "Hitler Youth" I won;t bother posting a link... It makes me too sick to my stomach.
The children slaughtered by a terrorist looked a little like "Hitler Youth" I won;t bother posting a link... It makes me too sick to my stomach.
Comment by BobR on 07/25/2011 20:07:55
I don't think that's a distinction the caller would understand.
BobR on 07/25/2011 20:07:55
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:That guy was an idiot. A intellectually dishonest one at that.Quote by BobR:
Caller on Steph: "Obama's never proposed any legislation"
well DUH - that's not his job!! That's the job of Congress!
Um actually the Prez can propose legistlation. A senator or congressman needs to introduce it.
I don't think that's a distinction the caller would understand.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 20:13:04
Cornel West has a long history of dickishness. Look at his long running dispute with Harvard. The president of the univerity has a quaint notion that West do the job he was hired to do, you know teach. Not making rap albums, setting up an exploratory committee for Al Sharpton for president, but actually teach.
Mondobubba on 07/25/2011 20:13:04
Quote by Raine:Thanks for that E_ JQuote by E_Joyce:
If ever there were two crabs...Cornell West and Tavis Smiley are ridiculously childish and appear smaller every time they open their mouths. Smiley is STILL pouting because he waited until two weeks before his hot air event to contact now President Obama with an invitation. OF COURSE, the President was already booked. But he offered to send FLOTUS Obama as proxy. Tavis refused, which was ridiculous, and has been pouting ever since, losing his fan base from TJMS because they too thought he was being ridiculous. West lost all credibility with me by joining Tavis with their crabs in a barrel mentality and misusing the word "love" to cloak their verbal daggers. While Tavis has thought of himself as the "new Black American leader and voice" many have stopped listening. All talk and no real action can't even fly a hot air balloon and generally renders one impotent in relevancy. Their true agenda is just to hawk their books; they aren't leaders of anything except the crabs in their barrel.
Cornel West has a long history of dickishness. Look at his long running dispute with Harvard. The president of the univerity has a quaint notion that West do the job he was hired to do, you know teach. Not making rap albums, setting up an exploratory committee for Al Sharpton for president, but actually teach.
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2011 20:32:24
I forgot about that Al Sharpton thing, it's ironic because West has also accused Sharpton of being in the pocket of *obamabots* according to the people who called me a sycophant.
Now they are skirting the edge of accusing me of being a White NAtionalist supporter, because I had the audacity to post a link that went further than thier support of calling Obama *Black Reagan* -- somehow I don;t think they see the irony.
Oh well. I stand by my comments. West is a little like Ralph Nader in that way -- he is trying to stay relevant in a world that has passed them by.
Raine on 07/25/2011 20:32:24
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Thanks for that E_ JQuote by E_Joyce:
If ever there were two crabs...Cornell West and Tavis Smiley are ridiculously childish and appear smaller every time they open their mouths. Smiley is STILL pouting because he waited until two weeks before his hot air event to contact now President Obama with an invitation. OF COURSE, the President was already booked. But he offered to send FLOTUS Obama as proxy. Tavis refused, which was ridiculous, and has been pouting ever since, losing his fan base from TJMS because they too thought he was being ridiculous. West lost all credibility with me by joining Tavis with their crabs in a barrel mentality and misusing the word "love" to cloak their verbal daggers. While Tavis has thought of himself as the "new Black American leader and voice" many have stopped listening. All talk and no real action can't even fly a hot air balloon and generally renders one impotent in relevancy. Their true agenda is just to hawk their books; they aren't leaders of anything except the crabs in their barrel.
Cornel West has a long history of dickishness. Look at his long running dispute with Harvard. The president of the univerity has a quaint notion that West do the job he was hired to do, you know teach. Not making rap albums, setting up an exploratory committee for Al Sharpton for president, but actually teach.
Now they are skirting the edge of accusing me of being a White NAtionalist supporter, because I had the audacity to post a link that went further than thier support of calling Obama *Black Reagan* -- somehow I don;t think they see the irony.
Oh well. I stand by my comments. West is a little like Ralph Nader in that way -- he is trying to stay relevant in a world that has passed them by.