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2011 -- The Summer of Hate
Author: Will in Chicago    Date: 2011-08-11 10:00:00

As a former reporter, I have lived long enough to not be easily shocked. I have covered murders and other crimes. Yet, I was surprised by the scale of death and suffering in the bombing in Oslo and the horrific shootings at Utoya in Norway on July 22nd.  As of now, the death toll stands at 86 people, eight dead in a bombing in Oslo and perhaps 68 dead at a Labor Party youth camp on the isle of Utoya. This tragedy can be likened to both 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombing in that fanaticism led to the lost of innocent life.

Initially, some in the U.S. media attributed the attacks to Muslim terrorists as events unfolded. Conservative blogger Jennifer Rubin initially linked the attacks to Muslim extremists on her blog at the Washington Post as did conservative CNN commentator Erick Erickson. However, the attacks were the work of a man of Norwegian descent, Anders Behring Breivik, who issued a manifesto condemning Muslims, “cultural Marxists, and liberalism in general" for creating a Europe that he sees as becoming alien to traditional European cultures.  Indeed, many of the phrases in Breivik’s long manifesto were lifted from the manifesto of Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, who also opposed many of the changes in modern society.

What leads a person to choose to kill dozens of people? Hate. The phrase cultural Marxism is a popular one among the American neo Nazi movement. Chip Berlet, a noted observer of right wing extremism, addresses Breivik’s extremism in a recent post "Anders Behring Breivik: Soldier in the Christian Right Culture Wars":

Anders Behring Breivik, charged in the terror attacks in Oslo, Norway, compiled a 1,500-page Manifesto under the name "Andrew Berwick" that cites to the U.S. Free Congress Foundation and LaRouchite publications. The manifesto states that "Political Correctness" should be called "Cultural Marxism" and is the reason for political leaders allowing mass Muslim migration into Europe. Breivik's core thesis is borrowed from William S. Lind's antisemitic conspiracy theory about "Cultural Marxism."

Breivik described himself in online posts as a cultural conservative and a Christian conservative who felt that Protestantism had lost its way and that Christianity should recombine under the banner of a reconstituted and traditionalist Catholic Church. These views are almost identical to the views of the late Paul Weyrich, founder of the Christian Right epicenter in the United States, the Free Congress Foundation. Weyrich and his colleague William S. Lind developed an aggressive theory of Cultural Conservatism as a way to save Western Culture. Lind addressed the right-wing group Accuracy in Academia in February 2000. See also: What is Cultural Marxism? by William S. Lind.

The concepts within cultural conservatism are a confluence of traditionalist claims from Europe and the United States. Major US groups send representatives to Europe, and there is a general meet up at the conferences of The World Congress of Families. See background here: "Exporting 'Traditional Values': The World Congress of Families." This vein of culural conservatism warns of a "Demographic Winter" a term which is a coded racist warning that Muslims are outbreeding "white people" in Europe and the United States.

Berlet in the article Updated: Breivik's Core Thesis is White Christian Nationalism v. Multiculturalism goes on to summarize Breivik's theories and major influences:

The Breivik Manifesto has a core conspiracist thesis picked up from the U.S. Christian Right. Breivik rearticulates this thesis repeatedly. Here is my short formula for explaining Breivik's thesis:
Cultural Marxism=Political Correctness=Multiculturalism=Muslim Immigration=Destruction of Judeo-Christian nations

In other words, Breivik believes that "Political Correctness" should be exposed as a conspiracy by "Cultural Marxists" to destroy sovereign Christian nations and is the reason for political leaders allowing mass Muslim migration into Europe.

The theoretical lineage of Breivk's thesis is primarily from cultural conservatives William S. Lind and the late Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Foundation, and to a lesser extent articles published by the LaRouche network.

Paul Weyrich, who was one of the founders of the Moral Majority and the Heritage Foundation, is also remembered for this quote:
"Now many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome — good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.."




To my mind, what I read of Breivik’s manifesto seemed little different than what I would find on the site Stormfront, the website of the American Nazi Party. However, attacks on immigrants, fear of people of different faiths, and of different ideologies is no longer just part of the political fringe. It is easy enough to tune into cable television and find people attacking Muslims, liberals and others as not being patriotic.

I am reminded of what Samuel Johnson wrote about people who hid their agendas behind a flag and claim that they alone are true patriots. “Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels.”

I have heard that during the Kennedy administration, John F. Kennedy and Barry Goldwater discussed being on the same train and visit different cities during the presidential election of 1964. Does anyone believe that such a thing is possible in an era when the birthplace and faith of a sitting American president have been questioned on the airwaves and by members of Congress? We have people who make a living off of spreading fear of the other, whether it is liberals, secular humanists, immigrants, or Muslims.

In a chart analyzing citations in Breivik’s manifesto, Think Progress notes that he cited several people on the right known for spreading fear of Muslims, including Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer.

None of this surprises Frank Schaeffer, author of Crazy for God and Sex, Mom and God. His father was Dr. Francis Schaeffer, whose writings greatly influenced the Christian Right. He has stated that the language his father used to question the legitimacy of a government that allowed abortion has been taken up by others.

In a recent article at Alternet.org, Christian Jihad? Why We Should Worry About Right-Wing Terror Attacks Like Norway's in the US, the younger Schaeffer says that there is a connection between people like his father, their political followers in office, and those who take the words of writers and politicians as a call to arms.

There is an indirect but deadly connection between the "intellectual" fig-leaf providers/leaders like my late father and periodic upheavals like the loony American Right's sometimes-violent reaction to the election of Barack Obama, killings in Norway and what the Tea Party wing of the Republican Party is about to do to us in forcing a default on our loans, and thus destroying the US economy in a way bin Laden could only have dreamed of doing.

No, your average member of some moronic gun toting Michigan militia is not reading books by my late father Francis Schaeffer where he called for the overthrow of the government because of Roe v Wade and the legalization of abortion. Nor have they heard of people like Robert George. And the killer in Norway may or may not have read my father's books.

But Michele Bachmann is reading my father's books. And she was trained in far right Reconstructionist theory at the Oral Roberts law school by one of Dad's followers.

Bachmann says she got into politics because of reading my father's work. And she is one of his extremist followers.

Currently, some of the pundits who initially blamed the attacks on Muslims are still trying to drag Muslims into the attacks, even though Brievik is opposed to Islam.

For example, in Erick Erickson’s own words:

With Christians, it is rather rare to see a self-described Christian engage in heinous terrorist acts. In fact, in as much as there is an Arab Street filled with muslims more often than not cheering on the latest terrorist act of radical Islamists, you will be very hard pressed to find a Christian who does not condemn the act regardless of the faith of the person doing the killing.

But then why is the left so gleeful that the Norwegian is a “conservative Christian” and why do they feel it so necessary to rub it in when they’re downright apathetic and hostile to the notion of radical Islam being rather mainstream within Islam when terrorist Christianity is largely nonexistent except among a few crazies?

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the Bible is quite on point about this.

Secular leftists and Islamists are both of this world. Christians may be traveling through, but we are most definitely not of the world. In fact, Christ commands us to throw off our ties to this world. But the things of this world love this world and hate the things of God. That’s why secular leftism can embrace both activist homosexuals and activist muslims when the latter would, when true to their faith, be happy to kill the former.

I thought that this was inappropriate, but it pales in comparison to the words of former Fox News host Glenn Beck, who compared the Labour Party youth camp to Hitler Youth camps in Nazi Germany. (This is a man who has smeared George Soros as a Nazi collaborator, criticized Reform Judaism, and seems to have a mastery of hyperbole.)

As Beck stated:
There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler Youth or whatever. I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing.

Glenn Beck was associated, by the way, with a 9/12 Patriot camp for children. I suppose that Mr. Beck is trying to make the world safe for hypocrisy
.
I believe that Erickson and Beck are being wrong and hateful. As someone familiar with Jewish and Christian Scriptures, I believe that Erickson is inaccurate and bearing false witness against others, to portray them as less patriotic, less religious and as lesser persons. NO one I know is glad that the killer in Norway is a Christian – we wish that this awful tragedy never happened. Yet, Erickson continues the pattern that has been previously cited --- accuse someone of being hateful to hide one’s own hate.

I was raised to believe in an America where people are judged by their actions. I would ask Erickson and others not to paint with a broad brush, as they do not like the thought that someone who calls himself a conservative Christian could commit terrorist acts. Indeed, Breivik is now being referred to in many media accounts as an attacker or a crazy person, not a terrorist. Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist who went to war against his own government. It seems that there are too many people in this world, like McVeigh and Breivik, who want to have political discourse replaced by violence.

During my life, I have known many Muslim Americans, Jewish Americans, and Christian Americans who proved to be compassionate people committed to democratic values. There are Muslim doctors, Muslim soldiers and others who want to feel that this is as much of their country as their neighbor’s America. Instead of painting people with a broad bush based on stereotypes, we need to have a dialog with one another, so that the stereotypes that too many espouse can be countered with exposure to facts and real

(Much of this blog originally appeared at Democracy Interactive, an online progressive community.)
 

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Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 12:08:12
Thank you So much for cross-posting this here, Will.
Good morning to everyone!


Comment by wickedpam on 08/11/2011 12:35:58
Morning

There must be something in the water, when did it become so easy for someone to call or refer to someone as a Nazi?

Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 12:43:15
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning

There must be something in the water, when did it become so easy for someone to call or refer to someone as a Nazi?

January 17, 2007

Granted, I know I am being somewhat Hyperbolic -- It was after that that I noted a distinct uptick in hate speech.

That said, Will makes some very valid and cogent point about how this has been festering for far longer.

I still believe that an animal is most dangerous when it is facing its own extinction -- one can hope that this awful rhetoric that we are seeing is an indicator that they are losing their fight to spread hate, right?

Comment by wickedpam on 08/11/2011 12:45:18
Oh, and this pledge crap needs to stop. Only pledge anyone should be making is the Pledge of Alligence(sp) to the U.S.

Any other pledge is undermining the country as a whole

Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 12:48:07
Quote by wickedpam:
Oh, and this pledge crap needs to stop. Only pledge anyone should be making is the Pledge of Alligence(sp) to the U.S.

Any other pledge is undermining the country as a whole
A -fkn(wo)-MEN!


Comment by wickedpam on 08/11/2011 12:48:38
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning

There must be something in the water, when did it become so easy for someone to call or refer to someone as a Nazi?

January 17, 2007

Granted, I know I am being somewhat Hyperbolic -- It was after that that I noted a distinct uptick in hate speech.

That said, Will makes some very valid and cogent point about how this has been festering for far longer.

I still believe that an animal is most dangerous when it is facing its own extinction -- one can hope that this awful rhetoric that we are seeing is an indicator that they are losing their fight to spread hate, right?



I agree, a lot of the hate talk is because of bigotry.

It just seems like the nazi name is being thrown around far too easy.

Comment by wickedpam on 08/11/2011 12:49:22
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Oh, and this pledge crap needs to stop. Only pledge anyone should be making is the Pledge of Alligence(sp) to the U.S.

Any other pledge is undermining the country as a whole
A -fkn(wo)-MEN!




Comment by Mondobubba on 08/11/2011 13:04:14
Quote by wickedpam:
Oh, and this pledge crap needs to stop. Only pledge anyone should be making is the Pledge of Alligence(sp) to the U.S.

Any other pledge is undermining the country as a whole



Bill Maher summed this up nicely last week on Real Time, one of the New Rules was people need to sign a pledge that they will not sign other pledges.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/11/2011 13:09:51
I need a minute to ramble folks.

I was watching "Rescue Me" last night and one of the plot lines thus far has been a TV reporter doing a story on the firehouse where the guy work as part of the 9/11 10th anniversary. In one scene said reporter is interviewing Tommy Gavin (Denis Leary's character) and on a monitor behind her was some video of one of the towers burning. I had to look away. I just couldn't bring myself to look at that horrible image.

That's all. Carry on. I just needed to share.

Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 13:14:36
I have a love hate relationship with Bill MAher. (mush like how you feel about Alternet, Mondo)

But speaking of Maher -- Did anyone else see this?

Amy Holmes Joins Glenn Beck's GBTV Network Anchor.

Amy Holmes was a frequent guest on Bill Maher and it always creeped me out -- not because I didn't like her (I didn't like her politics) -- but he squirmed a little too much in his chair.

That said -- I'm trying to figure out why she would tie her hitch to a broadcaster that is clearly in Freefall. CNN is a pretty good gig. GBTV, tho?

Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 13:18:54
Quote by Mondobubba:
I need a minute to ramble folks.

I was watching "Rescue Me" last night and one of the plot lines thus far has been a TV reporter doing a story on the firehouse where the guy work as part of the 9/11 10th anniversary. In one scene said reporter is interviewing Tommy Gavin (Denis Leary's character) and on a monitor behind her was some video of one of the towers burning. I had to look away. I just couldn't bring myself to look at that horrible image.

That's all. Carry on. I just needed to share.
You know -- I watch it EVERY year on MSNBC. It's a very strange thing for me -- and it's very personal, so I can't tell you all why I do it.

The difference is -- I choose to, I can totally understand having that thrust upon you without warning. It's jarring.


Comment by wickedpam on 08/11/2011 13:19:45
Quote by Mondobubba:
I need a minute to ramble folks.

I was watching "Rescue Me" last night and one of the plot lines thus far has been a TV reporter doing a story on the firehouse where the guy work as part of the 9/11 10th anniversary. In one scene said reporter is interviewing Tommy Gavin (Denis Leary's character) and on a monitor behind her was some video of one of the towers burning. I had to look away. I just couldn't bring myself to look at that horrible image.

That's all. Carry on. I just needed to share.



you're not alone in that - I can't watch any of it either

Comment by Scoopster on 08/11/2011 13:26:52
Mornin' all!

I'm actually feeling awake today. Maybe it's the anticipation of the weekend and having money again after a week of cashing in rewards points cuz I'm BROKE!

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/11/2011 13:39:09
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
I need a minute to ramble folks.

I was watching "Rescue Me" last night and one of the plot lines thus far has been a TV reporter doing a story on the firehouse where the guy work as part of the 9/11 10th anniversary. In one scene said reporter is interviewing Tommy Gavin (Denis Leary's character) and on a monitor behind her was some video of one of the towers burning. I had to look away. I just couldn't bring myself to look at that horrible image.

That's all. Carry on. I just needed to share.
You know -- I watch it EVERY year on MSNBC. It's a very strange thing for me -- and it's very personal, so I can't tell you all why I do it.

The difference is -- I choose to, I can totally understand having that thrust upon you without warning. It's jarring.



That is why I think I lost it. it was jarring and somewhat unexpected. If I was ready for it. I would watch and remember and mourn.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/11/2011 13:40:41
Quote by Raine:
I have a love hate relationship with Bill MAher. (mush like how you feel about Alternet, Mondo)

But speaking of Maher -- Did anyone else see this?

Amy Holmes Joins Glenn Beck's GBTV Network Anchor.

Amy Holmes was a frequent guest on Bill Maher and it always creeped me out -- not because I didn't like her (I didn't like her politics) -- but he squirmed a little too much in his chair.

That said -- I'm trying to figure out why she would tie her hitch to a broadcaster that is clearly in Freefall. CNN is a pretty good gig. GBTV, tho?


I totally understand the love-hate thing with Maher. I am so ready to join The Donner Party though!

Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 13:51:21
Listening to David Bender stating that Rick Perry will win the nomination. I don;t know if I agree, cause I am gonna write in Rick PARRY.

That said -- I am reminded to the late great Molly Ivans:

“Next time I tell you someone from Texas should not be president… please pay attention.”

This is the woman who coined the term Governor Good Hair.

Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 13:56:06
Rick Perry and Chris Bell: Compare and contrast.

Rick Perry has really good hair.

Chris Bell has everything

Molly, 2006.

Rick Perry: succesionist.


Comment by wickedpam on 08/11/2011 13:57:31
Raine - emailed sumthin

Comment by Scoopster on 08/11/2011 13:59:05
Comment by Scoopster on 08/11/2011 14:01:46
"If we want to create jobs, then create jobs. I’m not talking about 'incentivizing' companies in the hopes they’ll hire someone, or cutting taxes for the so-called job creators who have done nothing of the sort. My plan creates actual new jobs."




Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 14:02:52
Wanna be scared?


Perry attended Texas A&M University, where he was a member of the Corps of Cadets, a member of the Alpha Gamma Rho fraternity and one of A&M's five yell leaders (a popular Texas A&M tradition analogous to male cheerleaders) He interned with the Southwestern Company during the summer time as a door-to-door book salesman where he honed his communication skills. Perry graduated in 1972 with a degree in animal science. According to Perry's university transcript, he earned 20 B's, 27 C's, and 9 D's. A's and F's were rare; additionally, Perry was placed on academic probation for his poor performance in school.
Source: Wiki.

Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 14:03:33
Quote by wickedpam:
Raine - emailed sumthin

Ok, heading ovah!

Comment by wickedpam on 08/11/2011 14:08:57



Its logical, has great ideas, would take care of people who need to work and its paid for. In other words, the GOP will hate it.

Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 14:10:44
Thanks Mala!

Comment by wickedpam on 08/11/2011 14:14:14
Quote by Raine:
Thanks Mala!



Thought that could be helpful


Comment by Scoopster on 08/11/2011 14:14:55
Quote by wickedpam:

Its logical, has great ideas, would take care of people who need to work and its paid for. In other words, the GOP will hate it.

GOOD.

I want nothing more than for the Dems to FLOOD THE HOUSE FLOOR with jobs creation bills like this one from now until the end of the current Congress. MAKE Boehner, the media and the entire country take notice.

Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 14:15:35
Quote by wickedpam:



Its logical, has great ideas, would take care of people who need to work and its paid for. In other words, the GOP will hate it.

Do I ned to give you ANOTHER arena applause?

Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 14:16:10
Quote by Scoopster:
GOOD.

I want nothing more than for the Dems to FLOOD THE HOUSE FLOOR with jobs creation bills like this one from now until the end of the current Congress. MAKE Boehner, the media and the entire country take notice.
I can't agree more!


Comment by wickedpam on 08/11/2011 14:17:43
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Scoopster:
GOOD.

I want nothing more than for the Dems to FLOOD THE HOUSE FLOOR with jobs creation bills like this one from now until the end of the current Congress. MAKE Boehner, the media and the entire country take notice.
I can't agree more!



That would be Awesome! We need some positive theatricality

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/11/2011 14:17:58
Quote by Raine:
Rick Perry and Chris Bell: Compare and contrast.

Rick Perry has really good hair.

Chris Bell has everything

Molly, 2006.

Rick Perry: succesionist.



About Perry's hair, I have often thought the same thing. I don't know if that seed was planted by Molly Ivens or not. But he does have nice hair.

Comment by wickedpam on 08/11/2011 14:18:09
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:



Its logical, has great ideas, would take care of people who need to work and its paid for. In other words, the GOP will hate it.

Do I ned to give you ANOTHER arena applause?





Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 14:18:16
AS to what they are talking about on the show -- I say WAIT until we see who Pelosi picks.

I am not unhappy with 2 of the three Senate Dem picks. As I said yesterday -- Baucus is a fiscally conservative Dem . It's the fiscal part that I think put him on that committee --

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/11/2011 14:18:37
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by wickedpam:

Its logical, has great ideas, would take care of people who need to work and its paid for. In other words, the GOP will hate it.

GOOD.

I want nothing more than for the Dems to FLOOD THE HOUSE FLOOR with jobs creation bills like this one from now until the end of the current Congress. MAKE Boehner, the media and the entire country take notice.


It would be very Donner Party of them.

Comment by wickedpam on 08/11/2011 14:26:39
Quote by Raine:
AS to what they are talking about on the show -- I say WAIT until we see who Pelosi picks.

I am not unhappy with 2 of the three Senate Dem picks. As I said yesterday -- Baucus is a fiscally conservative Dem . It's the fiscal part that I think put him on that committee --



I wonder if she's going to be the blue fairy in all this

Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 14:39:19
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
AS to what they are talking about on the show -- I say WAIT until we see who Pelosi picks.

I am not unhappy with 2 of the three Senate Dem picks. As I said yesterday -- Baucus is a fiscally conservative Dem . It's the fiscal part that I think put him on that committee --



I wonder if she's going to be the blue fairy in all this
I think I pondered abut this yesterday on the blog -- or FB -- maybe both;

I really think she was waiting for all the others to show their hands first. Now she knows who to choose. I read a few postings yesterday saying that the fix was in, and I refuse to believe that until we know who the other three people are on this panel.

Right now, Baucus and Upton are the wild cards. (Scoop supplied that info yesterday about Upton)

So I'm willing to wait before I pull my hair out.


Comment by wickedpam on 08/11/2011 14:41:39
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
AS to what they are talking about on the show -- I say WAIT until we see who Pelosi picks.

I am not unhappy with 2 of the three Senate Dem picks. As I said yesterday -- Baucus is a fiscally conservative Dem . It's the fiscal part that I think put him on that committee --



I wonder if she's going to be the blue fairy in all this
I think I pondered abut this yesterday on the blog -- or FB -- maybe both;

I really think she was waiting for all the others to show their hands first. Now she knows who to choose. I read a few postings yesterday saying that the fix was in, and I refuse to believe that until we know who the other three people are on this panel.

Right now, Baucus and Upton are the wild cards. (Scoop supplied that info yesterday about Upton)

So I'm willing to wait before I pull my hair out.



She's been very thoughtful in how she pieces things together in the past so my fingers are crossed

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/11/2011 14:45:36
Alternet comes through with an article that doesn't leave me frustrated! This is a really good read about union activism and recent organizing victories.

Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 15:07:53
Ok, So Contessa Brewer posts this on FB: (the link is currently having a dropped server connection... but follow me here)
Edit: link is up.


How is it that GOP non-candidates are getting more attention than the candidates?

First Read - First Thoughts: The other guys
firstread.msnbc.msn.com
Once again, the other guys (Perry and Palin) cast a shadow over the rest of the GOP field… Four storylines to watch at tonight’s debate: 1) Will anyone lay a glove on Romney?… 2) Can Pawlenty walk the walk?… 3) Can Bachmann stick to her script?… …


Then -- as most FB walls happen idiocracy occurs, MSNBC is libral! LEAVE SARAH ALONES... yadda yaddah.

I responded with this:

Maybe becuase the Media gives them the attention? (just a thought, I know you all didn't intend to be Ironic here...)
Seriously, I think this is a PERFECT example of the news media failure we have in this nation. My head is spinning.

THEY cover non candidates and then literally wonder why they are getting mroe attention than candidates? REALLY?

DOUBLE YOU TEA EFF

Comment by livingonli on 08/11/2011 15:19:59
Good morning everyone. At the dealer getting the car looked at. Turns out that the battery does seem to be giving out so it will be replaced. At least I get to listen to a little more of Momma this morning.

Comment by livingonli on 08/11/2011 15:26:17
Quote by Raine:
Wanna be scared?


Perry attended Texas A&M University, where he was a member of the Corps of Cadets, a member of the Alpha Gamma Rho fraternity and one of A&M's five yell leaders (a popular Texas A&M tradition analogous to male cheerleaders) He interned with the Southwestern Company during the summer time as a door-to-door book salesman where he honed his communication skills. Perry graduated in 1972 with a degree in animal science. According to Perry's university transcript, he earned 20 B's, 27 C's, and 9 D's. A's and F's were rare; additionally, Perry was placed on academic probation for his poor performance in school.
Source: Wiki.

Smells like a repeat of W only with even creepier Christian Fundamentalism. Molly's warnings about candidates from Texas is still true.

Comment by wickedpam on 08/11/2011 15:45:46
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone. At the dealer getting the car looked at. Turns out that the battery does seem to be giving out so it will be replaced. At least I get to listen to a little more of Momma this morning.



Here's to hopeing its something simple

Comment by wickedpam on 08/11/2011 15:47:03
caller

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/11/2011 15:47:06
Quote by Raine:
Ok, So Contessa Brewer posts this on FB: (the link is currently having a dropped server connection... but follow me here)
Edit: link is up.


How is it that GOP non-candidates are getting more attention than the candidates?

First Read - First Thoughts: The other guys
firstread.msnbc.msn.com
Once again, the other guys (Perry and Palin) cast a shadow over the rest of the GOP field… Four storylines to watch at tonight’s debate: 1) Will anyone lay a glove on Romney?… 2) Can Pawlenty walk the walk?… 3) Can Bachmann stick to her script?… …


Then -- as most FB walls happen idiocracy occurs, MSNBC is libral! LEAVE SARAH ALONES... yadda yaddah.

I responded with this:

Maybe becuase the Media gives them the attention? (just a thought, I know you all didn't intend to be Ironic here...)
Seriously, I think this is a PERFECT example of the news media failure we have in this nation. My head is spinning.

THEY cover non candidates and then literally wonder why they are getting mroe attention than candidates? REALLY?

DOUBLE YOU TEA EFF


Wow. If they aren't running, why bother with them. I know the news channels have big news holes to fill, but ya know aren't there some waterskiing chipmunks or something to fill the time with rather than the idle speculatation about non-candidates?

Comment by livingonli on 08/11/2011 15:49:16
I heard Sarah is starting the bus tour back to Iowa even though she's not in the straw poll. Some media whores need to fade away.

Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 15:55:40
Quote by Mondobubba:
Wow. If they aren't running, why bother with them. I know the news channels have big news holes to fill, but ya know aren't there some waterskiing chipmunks or something to fill the time with rather than the idle speculatation about non-candidates?
Or Sarah Palin Skiiing with a chipmunk?




Comment by livingonli on 08/11/2011 15:57:57
Another MGM bit on the show.

Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 16:05:17
Quote by livingonli:
I heard Sarah is starting the bus tour back to Iowa even though she's not in the straw poll. Some media whores need to fade away.

Is this just rumor? where did you hear this? Do you have a link?


Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 16:07:09
BLECH. Ok Liv, I gotta link.

Guh.

She's really heading to Iowa.

Comment by wickedpam on 08/11/2011 16:09:39
Quote by Raine:
BLECH. Ok Liv, I gotta link.

Guh.

She's really heading to Iowa.



On the "LOOK AT ME" bus tour

Comment by Raine on 08/11/2011 16:24:52
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
BLECH. Ok Liv, I gotta link.

Guh.

She's really heading to Iowa.



On the "LOOK AT ME" bus tour
I mayy have to *borrow that*