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Author: Raine    Date: 09/01/2011 12:46:55

Do they realize how foolish they look? Never before has a Speaker of the House refused to accommodate the President of the United States' request for a joint session of Congress.

NEVER.

Here is another reality, The President of the United States cannot force the House of Representatives to vote on anything. As a separate arm of government, it's not under the authority of President Obama so he can't just walk in and give a speech there without the House passing a resolution first. John Boehner refused to hold a vote to authorize a Joint Session. From his letter:
[T]he House will not be in session until Wednesday, September 7, with votes at 6:30 that evening. With the significant amount of time - typically more than three hours - that is required to allow for a security sweep of the House Chamber before receiving a President, it is my recommendation that your address be held the following evening, when we can ensure there will be no parliamentary or logistical impediments that might detract from your remarks.
I personally think this is bullshit, but that is just me. The idea that the President 'caved' is silly. What we are dealing with, and have been dealing with is a Republican-led House that is FAR more interested in party over country. That includes governing. That includes fixing the economy and creating jobs. Politics over country. Party over people. Listen to what Rush Said:
“Would he turn down Clinton or Bush? He’d never have to turn them down because they have enough class not to do this, if I may be so blunt. This is intended to disrupt the Republican debate. It’s intended to make Obama look bigger than the Republicans, to look bigger than politics. And this is part of the presidential campaign and the House Republicans are going to have to realize that they’re part of it.”
Moments after that broadcast, the letter went out from the Speakers office, refusing the Presidents formal request to have a joint session to speak about the dire need for the House and the Senate to create a jobs bill. Guess what? The President DOES look bigger than the Republicans. The Republicans look petty mean and uncaring.

Everything they do these days becomes a game of politics, and it is a game that has the American people suffering. I'm far more concerned about getting a jobs package than the scoring of political points. I am concerned about our nation's jobless crisis and I am happy that he's giving this speech next week, period. He didn't cave. What he did do is not participate in the Republican's childish fooling games. Those games don't create jobs and they don't affect change -- change that this nation needs badly.

Via Politico's White Board this morning, White house spokesman Jay Carney states:
“Our intention was merely for the president to address a joint session of Congress as soon as possible upon Congress’s return from recess,” Carney said Thursday morning on MSNBC. “Both houses are supposed to be -- will be in session next Wednesday, so we asked for that day.”

Carney added that when Boehner’s office didn’t object at the time of the request, Obama’s formal letter was sent to the House speaker and the press.

“You know what? That’s fine – we’ll go Thursday,” Carney said about the day that was finally agreed upon. “Our interest is not in having a political back-and-forth here, at all. … Look, Americans are sick and tired of the partisan bickering, the gridlock.”
While there are many people who will say that Obama 'did it again", it is critical that this be kept in mind:

The Republican-led House has not produced any jobs plan. They are already threatening to block FEMA funding for the aftermath of Hurricane Irene. They have done nothing to get the economy stimulated and recovering. This is their job - plain and simple - and they are not doing it. They don't even want to to hold a vote to allow the President to speak to congress about these very issues -- even after taking the entire month of August and the first week of September off for vacation. Is anymore proof needed about who and what the real problem is here?

and
Raine

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Comment by wickedpam on 09/01/2011 12:53:51
Morning

Ok, so when you put it like that, I'm not so po'd that the Pres had to switch dates.

Personally, I'm of the mind that if the Pres asked to address congress in the middle of a snow storm in January and everyone has to get there by dog sled - it gets done. Period. End of Story. I don't care what party is in the White House, its the Pres of the USA.

I'm so sick of who they are treating the President there are times I feel physically(sp) ill about it.

Comment by Raine on 09/01/2011 12:57:40
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning

Ok, so when you put it like that, I'm not so po'd that the Pres had to switch dates.

Personally, I'm of the mind that if the Pres asked to address congress in the middle of a snow storm in January and everyone has to get there by dog sled - it gets done. Period. End of Story. I don't care what party is in the White House, its the Pres of the USA.

I'm so sick of who they are treating the President there are times I feel physically(sp) ill about it.
good morning!

I would be lying if I didn't feel disappointment when I woke up to this news today -- but the reality is that he can't do it if Congress won't let him.

I am so sick of it.


Comment by Mondobubba on 09/01/2011 12:59:08
When I first heard about the date switch, I was thinking oh what a pussy! He's caved again. Then I slept on it. POTUS is just making them look mean and petty.

Comment by Raine on 09/01/2011 13:02:25
Quote by Mondobubba:
When I first heard about the date switch, I was thinking oh what a pussy! He's caved again. Then I slept on it. POTUS is just making them look mean and petty.
The GOP WANTS people to think he a pussy.

the nut jobs R and L want people to think that too.

I love that you slept on it, Mondo, as I have oft said here and other places,I usually wait at least a few hours once everyone's heads start to explode about the POTUS not giving sparkle ponies. I hope that makes sense.

I really liked what Jay Carney said.


Comment by wickedpam on 09/01/2011 13:04:05
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning

Ok, so when you put it like that, I'm not so po'd that the Pres had to switch dates.

Personally, I'm of the mind that if the Pres asked to address congress in the middle of a snow storm in January and everyone has to get there by dog sled - it gets done. Period. End of Story. I don't care what party is in the White House, its the Pres of the USA.

I'm so sick of who they are treating the President there are times I feel physically(sp) ill about it.
good morning!

I would be lying if I didn't feel disappointment when I woke up to this news today -- but the reality is that he can't do it if Congress won't let him.

I am so sick of it.



He could make it an Oval Office address

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/01/2011 13:07:50
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
When I first heard about the date switch, I was thinking oh what a pussy! He's caved again. Then I slept on it. POTUS is just making them look mean and petty.
The GOP WANTS people to think he a pussy.

the nut jobs R and L want people to think that too.

I love that you slept on it, Mondo, as I have oft said here and other places,I usually wait at least a few hours once everyone's heads start to explode about the POTUS not giving sparkle ponies. I hope that makes sense.

I really liked what Jay Carney said.



I was watching Maddow and what the hell is her name the guest host announced the the news and you see in face and hear in her voice that she was stunned by it.

Comment by wickedpam on 09/01/2011 13:09:26
BTW - Happy B-Day Raine!!!!



Comment by Raine on 09/01/2011 13:16:16


Comment by Mondobubba on 09/01/2011 13:19:17
Oh yeah, Happy Birday Punkin!

Comment by TriSec on 09/01/2011 13:36:51
The Air wing makes a birthday flyby:

http://dailynews.mycapture.com/PHOTOS/LADN/324934/15996832E.jpg


Comment by Raine on 09/01/2011 14:02:47
Oh my. I feel a little overwhelmed -- in a wonderful grateful way, this morning.


Comment by Scoopster on 09/01/2011 14:02:52
Mornin' all..

We got power back at the house on Tuesday night, but just now got internet access restored (not even my house - I'm on a neighbor's wifi cuz Verizon sucks) The office is still dark tho, so now I need to do what I can from here to salvage the work week.

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/01/2011 14:12:58
Quote by Raine:
Oh my. I feel a little overwhelmed -- in a wonderful grateful way, this morning.


Group Hug!

Comment by Scoopster on 09/01/2011 14:14:03
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Oh my. I feel a little overwhelmed -- in a wonderful grateful way, this morning.


Group Hug!



Comment by Mondobubba on 09/01/2011 14:15:59
BTW the Twitter account for God has been set up.

Comment by BobR on 09/01/2011 14:19:58


Comment by Raine on 09/01/2011 14:38:07
Jim is missing a BIG point, POTUS wanted a JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS.

Comment by Raine on 09/01/2011 14:39:10
Listening to the show, I am more convinced about my blog this morning.

Comment by wickedpam on 09/01/2011 14:50:56
Raine!

Comment by Raine on 09/01/2011 14:59:24
I talked fast, but I wanted to say Hi to Karl

I am lame.

Comment by wickedpam on 09/01/2011 15:03:08
Quote by Raine:
I talked fast, but I wanted to say Hi to Karl

I am lame.





You were awesome!

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/01/2011 15:08:10
Quote by Raine:
I talked fast, but I wanted to say Hi to Karl

I am lame.



Missed it. I wanna win the lottery so I don't have to work.

Comment by Raine on 09/01/2011 15:15:13
Look it ain;t so bad to be the pre-show to Valerie Plame.

Comment by Scoopster on 09/01/2011 15:27:24
Quote by Mondobubba:
BTW the Twitter account for God has been set up.

I might just set up a twitter account just to participate in these shenanigans..

Comment by livingonli on 09/01/2011 16:35:39
Good day everyone and happy B-day to Raine. It sucks that I was still asleep when you called. Roomie turned off the A-C so I was sweating a storm since the breeze wasn't really coming in my room.

Comment by wickedpam on 09/01/2011 17:10:32
Why does Seaton Motley always yell and call names?

Comment by livingonli on 09/01/2011 17:15:34
Quote by wickedpam:
Why does Seaton Motley always yell and call names?

I guess the right-wingers goal is to brow-beat their opponents to death since they don't want to argue facts. I want to smack that guy across the head with a 2 x 4.

Comment by TriSec on 09/01/2011 17:53:50
Quote by wickedpam:
Why does Seaton Motley always yell and call names?


Satan Monkey? WHO?????




Comment by livingonli on 09/01/2011 17:59:34
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by wickedpam:
Why does Seaton Motley always yell and call names?


Satan Monkey? WHO?????



Some right-wing gas bag who Thom has on as a guest who just yells and shrieks the same GOP-teabagger talking points. He was actually arguing that blocking the AT&T-T-Mobile merger is bad for free enterprise.

Comment by TriSec on 09/01/2011 18:17:24
Well gang, I don't know what to do.

I just got a job offer that's an order of magnitude more than I'm making now. (we're talking a 12k plus variance). Trouble is....it's going back to contract work, with the contract running out next June. (It's a state contract that will have to go out to bid.)

I feel like I *have* to take it...that amount of income change would save our necks, to put it mildly. In another time and place, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But I have a permanent job and benefits right now. Oh, what to do....



Comment by wickedpam on 09/01/2011 18:27:02
Does it look like it could be renewed next June?

Comment by Raine on 09/01/2011 18:57:48
Hello?

My damn internets was out for the past 2.5 hours.

Comment by Raine on 09/01/2011 19:00:04
Quote by TriSec:
Well gang, I don't know what to do.

I just got a job offer that's an order of magnitude more than I'm making now. (we're talking a 12k plus variance). Trouble is....it's going back to contract work, with the contract running out next June. (It's a state contract that will have to go out to bid.)

I feel like I *have* to take it...that amount of income change would save our necks, to put it mildly. In another time and place, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But I have a permanent job and benefits right now. Oh, what to do....

I am wondering the same thing as Mala.

June is not much less than a year -- it might be worth the risk. What does Mrs. Tri think?

Based on what you are saying, it does sound like a good risk, Tri.


Comment by Mondobubba on 09/01/2011 19:05:46
Quote by TriSec:
Well gang, I don't know what to do.

I just got a job offer that's an order of magnitude more than I'm making now. (we're talking a 12k plus variance). Trouble is....it's going back to contract work, with the contract running out next June. (It's a state contract that will have to go out to bid.)

I feel like I *have* to take it...that amount of income change would save our necks, to put it mildly. In another time and place, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But I have a permanent job and benefits right now. Oh, what to do....



my opinion? Contract work sucks. The extra 12k sounds nice, but there is the whole nothavinganybenfitsandhaveyoueveredtriedtopuchaceheathinsuranceforthreepeople aspect of the the thing. Let us not forget you don't work you don't get paid thing.

Comment by BobR on 09/01/2011 19:06:16
Quote by Raine:
Quote by TriSec:
Well gang, I don't know what to do.

I just got a job offer that's an order of magnitude more than I'm making now. (we're talking a 12k plus variance). Trouble is....it's going back to contract work, with the contract running out next June. (It's a state contract that will have to go out to bid.)

I feel like I *have* to take it...that amount of income change would save our necks, to put it mildly. In another time and place, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But I have a permanent job and benefits right now. Oh, what to do....

I am wondering the same thing as Mala.

June is not much less than a year -- it might be worth the risk. What does Mrs. Tri think?

Based on what you are saying, it does sound like a good risk, Tri.

you've also mentioned that there have been 2 rounds of layoffs at your current location, and were considering looking around anyway. Taking this gig would give you some time to determine whether the contract would be renewed or go permanent, or look elsewhere for something permanent.

The downside is that without the benefits, you will be paying those costs out-of-pocket. How does that compare, financially? Is it still worth the extra 12k?

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/01/2011 19:06:46
Even if you live in the home of Romneycare insurance for 3 most cost what 12K a year?

Comment by TriSec on 09/01/2011 19:13:57
That's the other thing....we qualify for Mass Medicaid right now. Going up that much would put us out of the running, then I'd have to buy something or take the tax hit.

RRRRGH!





(<-- tobacco)

And on top of that, I also have another lead for a better-sounding position that *is* permanent...but it's just a lead right now.



Comment by Raine on 09/01/2011 19:15:10
Randi is pretty much mirroring my point in today's blog. ::feeling proud::

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/01/2011 19:15:57
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by TriSec:
Well gang, I don't know what to do.

I just got a job offer that's an order of magnitude more than I'm making now. (we're talking a 12k plus variance). Trouble is....it's going back to contract work, with the contract running out next June. (It's a state contract that will have to go out to bid.)

I feel like I *have* to take it...that amount of income change would save our necks, to put it mildly. In another time and place, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But I have a permanent job and benefits right now. Oh, what to do....

I am wondering the same thing as Mala.

June is not much less than a year -- it might be worth the risk. What does Mrs. Tri think?

Based on what you are saying, it does sound like a good risk, Tri.

you've also mentioned that there have been 2 rounds of layoffs at your current location, and were considering looking around anyway. Taking this gig would give you some time to determine whether the contract would be renewed or go permanent, or look elsewhere for something permanent.

The downside is that without the benefits, you will be paying those costs out-of-pocket. How does that compare, financially? Is it still worth the extra 12k?



Didn't I just say that?

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/01/2011 19:16:35
Quote by Raine:
Randi is pretty much mirroring my point in today's blog. ::feeling proud::




Comment by TriSec on 09/01/2011 19:27:26
I contracted for almost 2 years, I know how bad it sucks. This past long weekend was my first paid days off since the inaugural.

It's going to come down to insurance. The only reason I took where I'm at was because it was not a contract position...sure wasn't for the pay.



Comment by BobR on 09/01/2011 19:42:58
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by TriSec:
Well gang, I don't know what to do.

I just got a job offer that's an order of magnitude more than I'm making now. (we're talking a 12k plus variance). Trouble is....it's going back to contract work, with the contract running out next June. (It's a state contract that will have to go out to bid.)

I feel like I *have* to take it...that amount of income change would save our necks, to put it mildly. In another time and place, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But I have a permanent job and benefits right now. Oh, what to do....

I am wondering the same thing as Mala.

June is not much less than a year -- it might be worth the risk. What does Mrs. Tri think?

Based on what you are saying, it does sound like a good risk, Tri.

you've also mentioned that there have been 2 rounds of layoffs at your current location, and were considering looking around anyway. Taking this gig would give you some time to determine whether the contract would be renewed or go permanent, or look elsewhere for something permanent.

The downside is that without the benefits, you will be paying those costs out-of-pocket. How does that compare, financially? Is it still worth the extra 12k?


Didn't I just say that?

We were typing at the same time, apparently. EDIT: Check the post times, Einstein

Comment by Raine on 09/01/2011 19:50:08
I just realized that I am 44. I finally have one thing in common with the POTUS. he's 44 too.

The 44th President of our Nation! Woot!

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/01/2011 19:55:37
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by TriSec:
Well gang, I don't know what to do.

I just got a job offer that's an order of magnitude more than I'm making now. (we're talking a 12k plus variance). Trouble is....it's going back to contract work, with the contract running out next June. (It's a state contract that will have to go out to bid.)

I feel like I *have* to take it...that amount of income change would save our necks, to put it mildly. In another time and place, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But I have a permanent job and benefits right now. Oh, what to do....

I am wondering the same thing as Mala.

June is not much less than a year -- it might be worth the risk. What does Mrs. Tri think?

Based on what you are saying, it does sound like a good risk, Tri.

you've also mentioned that there have been 2 rounds of layoffs at your current location, and were considering looking around anyway. Taking this gig would give you some time to determine whether the contract would be renewed or go permanent, or look elsewhere for something permanent.

The downside is that without the benefits, you will be paying those costs out-of-pocket. How does that compare, financially? Is it still worth the extra 12k?


Didn't I just say that?

We were typing at the same time, apparently. EDIT: Check the post times, Einstein


Gee Bobber ya don't need to be so snoty

Comment by Raine on 09/01/2011 20:13:02
Ok boys. You are both pretty.

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/01/2011 20:33:38
Quote by Raine:
Ok boys. You are both pretty.



:rofl: Iwas waiting for somebody to say that! :snarfing:

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/01/2011 20:39:17
Gee one of our customer just told me that Obama has done all this treasonous stuff. I didn't ask him to elaborate.

Comment by wickedpam on 09/01/2011 20:40:37
Quote by Mondobubba:
Gee one of our customer just told me that Obama has done all this treasonous stuff. I didn't ask him to elaborate.



Well, that's kinda random

Comment by BobR on 09/01/2011 20:57:54
Quote by Mondobubba:
Gee one of our customer just told me that Obama has done all this treasonous stuff. I didn't ask him to elaborate.

I always ask in a non-confrontational "oh really?...like what?" Then as they start spewing nonsense, I ask simple questions to get them to think about what they're saying.

Thinking is hard.

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/01/2011 21:03:45
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Gee one of our customer just told me that Obama has done all this treasonous stuff. I didn't ask him to elaborate.

I always ask in a non-confrontational "oh really?...like what?" Then as they start spewing nonsense, I ask simple questions to get them to think about what they're saying.

Thinking is hard.



oh if I wasn't at work, I would have. Because I love when people say really stupid shit like that. it is fun to watch them sputter and spew talking points.