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Divine Schizophrenia
Author: BobR    Date: 09/23/2011 12:51:03

Hundreds of years ago, our country was settled by refugees from England, escaping the tyranny of a state-imposed religion. They came to the New World where they could practice their religion free from persecution. It was such an important notion to the authors of the Constitution that they specifically included language in the Bill of Rights allowing every citizen to practice their own religion. That freedom - when mixed with self-delusion, ego, and what could certainly pass as schizophrenia has people declaring that God has spoken to them directly, and passing that message along as though they were God's own mouthpiece.

In particular, three of the current Republican presidential candidates have said that God told them to run for president. Did God accidentally "reply all" to the prayers? Is it possible that they just need some medication to clear up the voices in their heads? Michelle Bachmann has a history of being confused (she thinks it's possible to eliminate all taxes). Herman Cain may have misread his company's billboards, thinking "GodFather's Pizza" meant "God, Father... please run" (or he may have seen one of these, from yet another group that deigns to speak for God). And Santorum? Well - I'm guessing God just wants him to run down someone's leg (if you don't get that joke, just google "Santorum"... go ahead - I'll wait).

Even Rick Perry has jumped on the "Gold told me to run" bandwagon. I know if it was me, I'd take the withering drought, out of control wildfires, and record-breaking murders by the state (ie: death penalty executions) as signs that God is looking upon me favorably (not). Those prayers for rain - how did that work out?

There have been others that claimed to know God's will. The apocolyptic "End Times" cult that is an unfortunately sizeable chunk of the Christian believers is constantly looking for signs of the Rapture. While street corner preachers and satirical cartoons often display "The End is Near", we used to treat those people as off their rockers. Television and radio, however, has allowed some of these heretics to proclaim to know what the Bible specifically says they cannot. Harold Camping's recent proclamation which failed to materialize as predicted is only one such example. There are also more well known members of the clergy like Pat Robertson and Oral Roberts and Jerry Falwell who speak to large flocks and claim to have a direct line to the Almighty.

The danger is what the believers will do in the face of such certainty. The claims by Harold Camping got hundreds of people to give away all their possessions, empty their retirement accounts, etc., assuming that the certainty of his words were Divine incarnate. They were not. They were the words of a scheister, or a delusional man, one step removed from the likes of Son of Sam, allowing himself to wallow in his own shallow needs and using a higher power as the excuse.

Ultimately, that is crux of the problem. When our actions are ordained by God Himself, then we abdicate responsibility. Should one of these "chosen" candidates win, then it will be perceived by that person (and others) as being because they are favored by God, and those that believe such things will be willing to do (or accept) nearly anything as part of the deal. Naturally, some (if not all) of those claiming Divine aspiration will not win, and it will be chocked up as "God's Will", and "God has other plans", and "God works in mysterious ways". Of course - right now they believe those ways are not so mysterious.

The original pilgrims understood the power of belief and the power of religion. They also understood that when combined with government, the law of the land becomes the Word of God, and those Words are in the hands of the political leaders. It's why the separation becomes so important. Political power - in the hands of those who believe they are on God's speed dial list - is a dangerous thing, in the form of their absolutism, and the blind faith of those who believe as well.

Beware those who claim to hear the voice of God, for they may be simply mad. They are at least incorrect, and possibly devious.
 

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Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 13:01:54
good morning!

Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 13:09:46
Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 13:10:44
Did Momma just call Santorum a Douche Canoe?

Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2011 13:17:46
Greetings, comrades!

I've said it before...they're all worried about sharia law, but isn't enshrining Christian values and rules just a variation on a theme?







Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 13:29:31
Rick Santorum at a google sponsored debate. Priceless.

Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 13:30:50
http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2011/09/hippies.jpg


Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 13:44:29
It's pretty quiet here this morning.

Is it too early for a





Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 13:53:48
Buh bye Hawk -n- Dove. The comments thos, had me ROTFLMAO __

Have to say I do get a bit tired of the 'leave our dive bar shitty!' arguments though. As if drinking beer from foul tap lines and eating Sysco food in a place that smells like farts/Lysol gives you more street cred. To me that's been a problem in this country since prohibition... we're constantly trying to show how our bars are dumps and dens of ill-repute, rather than healthy places to enjoy drinks and company - because drinking = naughty. {insert insufferable Europhilic comment about pubs in Ireland, England and Germany, place that rarely show how 'divey' they are} To me there's no reason why a bar can't be family friendly (during the day only, get them out of there after dinner time), clean and comfortable - yet still retain soul and character.
Fair enough, I can appreciate this POV, altho I personally a fan of Dive bars. Check out some of the responses to this poster:


• Hear hear! Getting smashed should be a gentlemanly and family-friendly activity. When I'm sticking my tongue in the mouth of an underage Congressional Page, I would prefer it be in a swanky establishment, not a dive bar.


• I hear you - but notice I didn't mention anything about "swanky" or family friendly during the intern skeezing hours. You used your Jump to Conclusions Mat

• Some of us go there for the exceptional discourse one can receive from Hill Staffers, most of whom go their job thanks to Daddy's connections. Also, syphilis.


• The list of places where one can fingerbang a drunken Congressional intern in a dark corner continues to grow thin. Cervera's treachery runs deeper than you know. By foul craft, he has crossed a dive bar with a Capitol Hill bistro. He's breeding an army of flair-buttoned servers in the caverns of mahogony . An army that can both recommend a type of fish and a beer to accompany it.

• A sad day indeed as it has been months since the last time I finger-banged a drunken Congressional intern.
I love this city.

I really like Hawk-n-Dove, and I am sorry to see it changing like this.


Comment by Scoopster on 09/23/2011 13:55:22
Mornin' all & Happy Fridee..

Obviously Mr. Champagne Toast can afford to buy champagne, considering all the money he saved on not going to school to learn how to spell..

Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 13:58:08
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all & Happy Fridee..

Obviously Mr. Champagne Toast can afford to buy champagne, considering all the money he saved on not going to school to learn how to spell..
BRAVO!


Comment by Scoopster on 09/23/2011 14:01:17
Oh yes.. My momz has decided to retire as of last night. Given the job prospects in such a weak economy it was probably the right move, and hey she can always come back if things improve in the next five years or so..

Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2011 14:03:02
Morning

I have been out unearthing the last sweet potato hills in the garden - thankfully very little spider trauma yay

Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2011 14:14:36
Ah, I have one lone pepper left...a few pinkish tomatoes, and some sad sunflower heads that didn't make it through the hurricane.

End of the season, I guess.

Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2011 14:17:29
What do you with with sunflowers, other then look at them? Can you dry them for seeds?

Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2011 14:33:07
"Mr. Boehner....rebuild this bridge!"



Comment by forrest on 09/23/2011 14:34:54
The story goes that we are all made in the image of God. For some, the story is reversed; they have made God in their image. Such is the 'will' of this kind of god, a personalized to the nth degree god, that people with this image of god use it for an excuse for success or failure and as a way to give the weight of a deity to their opinions. What they really are revealing is their own corrupted egos. It is not about God, but about god with a little 'g', their own selfish, inflated selves.

Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2011 14:36:46
Quote by TriSec:
"Mr. Boehner....rebuild this bridge!"




can't hear the show - what did I miss?

Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 14:49:49
Quote by forrest:
The story goes that we are all made in the image of God. For some, the story is reversed; they have made God in their image. Such is the 'will' of this kind of god, a personalized to the nth degree god, that people with this image of god use it for an excuse for success or failure and as a way to give the weight of a deity to their opinions. What they really are revealing is their own corrupted egos. It is not about God, but about god with a little 'g', their own selfish, inflated selves.
Hi Forrest!

and Yes, I think you may have hit upon the problem.


Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 14:51:09
Quote by Scoopster:
Oh yes.. My momz has decided to retire as of last night. Given the job prospects in such a weak economy it was probably the right move, and hey she can always come back if things improve in the next five years or so..
Ahhh.

I hope she has a chance to enjoy it!


Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 14:53:27
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by TriSec:
"Mr. Boehner....rebuild this bridge!"




can't hear the show - what did I miss?

IT was what Obama said yesterday:
“They can either kill this jobs bill, or they can help us pass this jobs bill,” President Obama said. And he shouted later, “There’s no reason to stand in the way of more jobs. Mr. Boehner, Mr. McConnell, help us rebuild this bridge.”

President Obama said, jokingly, it’s “purely accidental” that he chose to speak at the Brent Spence Bridge, a major transportation artery that connects Ohio and Kentucky and has been labeled functionally obsolete. President Obama said his new jobs plan would provide states with billions of dollars to update the nation’s aging infrastructure.


Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 14:54:04
Quote by wickedpam:
What do you with with sunflowers, other then look at them? Can you dry them for seeds?

Sunflower seeds are yummeh baked.

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2011 14:59:45
Morning all.

Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2011 15:01:22
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
What do you with with sunflowers, other then look at them? Can you dry them for seeds?

Sunflower seeds are yummeh baked.



hmmm - how do you harvest them?

Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 15:06:17
Oh this is RICH!
House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) today marked the one-year anniversary of the “Pledge to America,” the governing agenda that was built by listening to and is focused on the priorities of the American people. Speaker Boehner released the following statement:

“Republicans pledged to listen to the American people and focus on their priorities: creating jobs, cutting spending, and removing barriers to private-sector job growth. We’ve kept that pledge, and will continue to keep our promise to the millions of Americans who remain out of work and the small businesses hamstrung by today’s economic uncertainty.

“In the preamble to the Pledge to America, we promised to keep faith ‘with the values our nation was founded on, the principles we stand for, and the priorities of our people.’ This pledge requires an ongoing commitment to listening to the people, allowing the House to work its will, and placing governance before politics. And while we continue to be outnumbered in Washington, we hope the President and Democrats in Congress will work with us to find common ground and help put the priorities of the American people ahead of Washington’s.”


Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 15:08:29
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
What do you with with sunflowers, other then look at them? Can you dry them for seeds?

Sunflower seeds are yummeh baked.



hmmm - how do you harvest them?
This site should help You don't get to pick the flowers for a bouquet, but they are yummeh!




Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 15:19:26
I disagree with John == I don't think anyone in the white house is afraid of these candidates.

I think they are trying to plan on how to run against one of them.

Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2011 15:19:54
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
What do you with with sunflowers, other then look at them? Can you dry them for seeds?

Sunflower seeds are yummeh baked.



hmmm - how do you harvest them?
This site should help You don't get to pick the flowers for a bouquet, but they are yummeh!





bookmarked

Thanks

Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2011 15:26:29
Off to do some running around I town -

See everyone later!

Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 15:28:21
Bill Kristol weighs in on the Weekly Standard with regard to last nights debate: YIKES.

The e-mails flooding into our inbox during the evening were less guarded. Early on, we received this missive from a bright young conservative: “I'm watching my first GOP debate...and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!” As the evening went on, the craziness receded, and the demoralized comments we received stressed the mediocrity of the field rather than its wackiness. As one more experienced, and therefore more jaded, observer wrote: “I just thought maybe it’s always this bad...they’re only marginally worse than McCain and Bush.”

Now there are some legitimate excuses. With nine candidates on the stage, and answers restricted to one minute, it’s hard to really show your stuff. And two of the candidates—Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney—did provide respectable performances. But no front-runner in a presidential field has ever, we imagine, had as weak a showing as Rick Perry. It was close to a disqualifying two hours for him. And Mitt Romney remains, when all is said and done, a technocratic management consultant whose one term as governor produced Romneycare. He could rise to the occasion as president. Or not.
he goes on to push For Christie to get into the race.

No really.

Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 15:29:43
Chris is right! The Villages is a really scary place.

My republidad even hates the villages.

Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2011 15:38:02
Oh, dear. I've driven through by the Villages...it's a strange place, sanitized and homogenized, and their very own golf cart bridge over route 27. (We mean Florida, right?)

But then there's "Century Village" in West Palm Beach. One of the first developments in that area, it's senior citizens playing middle school cliques on a grand scale.



Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 15:52:00
Lady Lake Florida, where the Village are is having a huge issue with the fact that the residents don;t pay their fair share for public utilities.

Like the water for all of thier golf courses.

Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 15:54:48
About the villages:

Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 15:55:51
Quote by TriSec:
Oh, dear. I've driven through by the Villages...it's a strange place, sanitized and homogenized, and their very own golf cart bridge over route 27. (We mean Florida, right?)

But then there's "Century Village" in West Palm Beach. One of the first developments in that area, it's senior citizens playing middle school cliques on a grand scale.

Read the link I posted.


Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 16:02:53
Comment by Scoopster on 09/23/2011 16:16:16

I could see making a rule that last meal requests be reasonable, but ban them completely is a bit much.. It looks like this guy wanted to go out with a giant middle finger to Rick Perry.

Comment by livingonli on 09/23/2011 16:21:39
Good day everybody. So, in order to be a good GOP candidate you have to hear the voices in your head just like Son of Sam killer David Berkowitz.

Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 16:22:17
Quote by Scoopster:

I could see making a rule that last meal requests be reasonable, but ban them completely is a bit much.. It looks like this guy wanted to go out with a giant middle finger to Rick Perry.
I agree totally -- this brewer was a total ass to the very end.





Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/23/2011 16:29:37
Quote by forrest:
The story goes that we are all made in the image of God. For some, the story is reversed; they have made God in their image. Such is the 'will' of this kind of god, a personalized to the nth degree god, that people with this image of god use it for an excuse for success or failure and as a way to give the weight of a deity to their opinions. What they really are revealing is their own corrupted egos. It is not about God, but about god with a little 'g', their own selfish, inflated selves.


This is an observation that I have made as well. I have considered shaping God into one's own image to be idolatry as much as bowing down before a golden calf.

As a person of faith, I tend to be wary of those who claim to speak for God. I judge them on their words and actions, seeing if they line up to the teaching of my faith. Let us remember the warning against false prophets. Sadly, this seems to be as much of a problem as it was thousands of years ago.

As for myself, I am home today after spending most of yesterday at the funeral and shiva of a friend from temple. He lived a long life of 81 years, seeing Kristallnacht in Berlin at age 9, fleeing Germany for the US at age 10 with his physician parents (he even had a grandmother who was a doctor in Germany), and devoting 30 years of his life as a doctor int he U.S. Army. He rose to the rank of corporal. Last week, he interviewed some applicants to a local medical school.

Let us remember that our relationship with faith can be about seeking to understand the Divine and each other. If I am created in the image of the Eternal, there can be no person who is not also created in the image of the Eternal as well. We must learn, as a individuals, societies, and as a species, to realize that all of us have an inherent right to respect and dignity. We are not the makers of the universe, but mortals who are here for a brief time. Let us use that time wisely, and chose love over hate.


Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2011 16:43:02
Well that was an exciting commute. My right front tire failed. by failed I mean it blew out. On the on ramp to 95 south. Pulled over and not long afterwards one to the FDOT Road Ranger roadside assistence guys showed up. Jeff got the ruin of the tire off, got the doughnut on. Only late by 45 minutes.

Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 16:59:01
Quote by Mondobubba:
Well that was an exciting commute. My right front tire failed. by failed I mean it blew out. On the on ramp to 95 south. Pulled over and not long afterwards one to the FDOT Road Ranger roadside assistence guys showed up. Jeff got the ruin of the tire off, got the doughnut on. Only late by 45 minutes.
Glad you didn't have an accident!


Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2011 17:02:50
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Well that was an exciting commute. My right front tire failed. by failed I mean it blew out. On the on ramp to 95 south. Pulled over and not long afterwards one to the FDOT Road Ranger roadside assistence guys showed up. Jeff got the ruin of the tire off, got the doughnut on. Only late by 45 minutes.
Glad you didn't have an accident!


Yes, me too. I still kind of jacked up on adrenaline. Check out me Facebook status for a picture of what's left of the tire.

Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2011 17:17:52
An honest-to-goodness TV style blowout? I thought tire technology had evolved past that.

(I've witnessed one...the Troop bus once blew an inside rear tire on I-95 south of Bangor. I was about 200 yards behind it, and my car shook.)

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2011 17:45:02
Quote by TriSec:
An honest-to-goodness TV style blowout? I thought tire technology had evolved past that.

(I've witnessed one...the Troop bus once blew an inside rear tire on I-95 south of Bangor. I was about 200 yards behind it, and my car shook.)



Boom! "Down goes Frasier!"

Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 18:14:14
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
An honest-to-goodness TV style blowout? I thought tire technology had evolved past that.

(I've witnessed one...the Troop bus once blew an inside rear tire on I-95 south of Bangor. I was about 200 yards behind it, and my car shook.)



Boom! "Down goes Frasier!"
WE had one happen to us when I was a kid. Mom was driving our Chevy 6 wheeler with a dismantled Walk in Freezer in the bed -- we we driving from Long Island to the mountains shack--- Me my 2 sisters and my aunt were in the truck.

Scary stuff. She was in the middle lane of the Thruway, she called out over the CB and a few people behind us made sure the right hand lane was cleared so we could pull over.




Comment by livingonli on 09/23/2011 18:15:47
I had a tire blow out on me on the Southern State Pkwy but fortunately I was able to pull over in time and the police helped me get the car towed.

Comment by Raine on 09/23/2011 18:34:30
Comment by BobR on 09/23/2011 18:38:40
Quote by livingonli:
Good day everybody. So, in order to be a good GOP candidate you have to hear the voices in your head just like Son of Sam killer David Berkowitz.

That's what I was thinking (which is why I included him in the blog)

Comment by Scoopster on 09/23/2011 18:42:38
Quote by Raine:
Scary!

That whole website's freaky man.. check out the Nerdgasm section!

Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2011 18:48:16
I hear voices in my head, too. Maybe I should declare?

(Don't know how helpful they'll be....it's only when I'm heading out camping and they're telling me what I forgot that I needed last time. On the plus side, they're usually right.)