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BREAKING FROM LIBYA
Author: Raine
Date: 10/20/2011 12:22:55
Reports started flowing around the Web around 7:30 this morning. It appears that ousted Libyan Dictator Mohamar Qaddafy was shot and captured, there have been conflicting reports that he has died.
There is no confirmation from the United States Government as of this moment.
There is no confirmation from the United States Government as of this moment.
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Comment by 
Mondobubba on 10/20/2011 12:52:40
Mondobubba on 10/20/2011 12:52:40
Morning.
Comment by 
TriSec on 10/20/2011 12:52:55
TriSec on 10/20/2011 12:52:55
Say gang, skip Momma and get the BBC stream up this morning....live coverage from the ground in Tripoli, Sirte, and elsewhere.
Happy folks sound the same worldwide, even if they are chanting "Allahu Ackbar" and other Arabic things.
BBC still has the caveat that none of the stories about Khadafi's status have been confirmed or denied at this point. There is a press conference that's supposed to happen with the NTC, but no word yet on when.
Happy folks sound the same worldwide, even if they are chanting "Allahu Ackbar" and other Arabic things.
BBC still has the caveat that none of the stories about Khadafi's status have been confirmed or denied at this point. There is a press conference that's supposed to happen with the NTC, but no word yet on when.
Comment by 
Raine on 10/20/2011 12:58:19
Raine on 10/20/2011 12:58:19
I have already seen the photo allegedly to be that of Qaddafy. It's gruesome, and it does look like him --
If the person in that photo is alive, I don't think it will be for very long.
If the person in that photo is alive, I don't think it will be for very long.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 10/20/2011 12:59:06
wickedpam on 10/20/2011 12:59:06
Morning 
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 13:06:41
Raine on 10/20/2011 13:06:41
One thing I no longer want to hear from anyone is that Obama is not tough enough on Terrorists.
A notional security reporter on tyhe radio said this morning that the NTC wanted to capture Qaddafy alive and put him on trial.
I don't think that is going to happen, I have a feeling he is muerto.
A notional security reporter on tyhe radio said this morning that the NTC wanted to capture Qaddafy alive and put him on trial.
I don't think that is going to happen, I have a feeling he is muerto.
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 13:08:12
Source Reuters...
Raine on 10/20/2011 13:08:12
"He (Gaddafi) was also hit in his head," National Transitional Council official Abdel Majid Mlegta told Reuters. "There was a lot of firing against his group and he died."
Mlegta told Reuters earlier that Gaddafi, who was in his late 60s, was captured and wounded in both legs at dawn on Thursday as he tried to flee in a convoy which NATO warplanes attacked. He said he had been taken away by an ambulance.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/20/2011 13:12:51
Mondobubba on 10/20/2011 13:12:51
WaPo is hedging their bets, saying Qaddafy may or may not be dead.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/20/2011 13:20:04
wickedpam on 10/20/2011 13:20:04
TMZ has the pix now - it does look like him
Comment by TriSec on 10/20/2011 13:20:18
TriSec on 10/20/2011 13:20:18
BBC remains non-committal at this time.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/20/2011 13:20:37
Mondobubba on 10/20/2011 13:20:37
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/20/2011 13:22:51
Mondobubba on 10/20/2011 13:22:51
The Guardian has him as dead.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/20/2011 13:23:31
Mondobubba on 10/20/2011 13:23:31
Sorry the Guardian headlines says "Killed"
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 13:33:26
Raine on 10/20/2011 13:33:26
I can understand wirer eports being cautionary-- how many time have they reported news from the NTC that he had been captured -- only tolearn that wasn't the case?
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 13:34:25
Earlier this morning AJ Arab had him captured while AJ English they were saying he was killed.
Raine on 10/20/2011 13:34:25
Quote by TriSec:
Al Jazeera front page: Khadafi Killed
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 13:59:14
Raine on 10/20/2011 13:59:14
HERPES monkey??? 
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 14:02:35
Raine on 10/20/2011 14:02:35
Comment by wickedpam on 10/20/2011 14:06:52
of course he does
wickedpam on 10/20/2011 14:06:52
Quote by Raine:b ....and.... he has a twitter account:Quote by Raine:
HERPES monkey???
HerpesMonkey
of course he does
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 14:18:42
Raine on 10/20/2011 14:18:42
Comment by wickedpam on 10/20/2011 14:25:53
they sound like animal hoarders
wickedpam on 10/20/2011 14:25:53
Quote by Raine:
This should never have happened.
The Owner of those animals was unhinged.
they sound like animal hoarders
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 14:26:29
Raine on 10/20/2011 14:26:29
A US Official has confirmed his death.
Comment by TriSec on 10/20/2011 14:29:55
TriSec on 10/20/2011 14:29:55
Listening to TRMS right now about the Ohio incident.
There used to be a law in Ohio banning the private holding of so-called exotic animals. The new Republican governor overturned it, on the grounds of "over-regulation".
Like Rachel said....it's hard to understand how small business in Ohio benefited by 48 dead animals, including 18 rare Bengal tigers.
There used to be a law in Ohio banning the private holding of so-called exotic animals. The new Republican governor overturned it, on the grounds of "over-regulation".
Like Rachel said....it's hard to understand how small business in Ohio benefited by 48 dead animals, including 18 rare Bengal tigers.
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 14:31:55
of which there are reports that there may be 4-500 left in the wild.
NO ONE should be able to own an endangered species in such a matter.
Raine on 10/20/2011 14:31:55
Quote by TriSec:
Listening to TRMS right now about the Ohio incident.
There used to be a law in Ohio banning the private holding of so-called exotic animals. The new Republican governor overturned it, on the grounds of "over-regulation".
Like Rachel said....it's hard to understand how small business in Ohio benefited by 48 dead animals, including 18 rare Bengal tigers.
of which there are reports that there may be 4-500 left in the wild.
NO ONE should be able to own an endangered species in such a matter.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/20/2011 14:53:55
wickedpam on 10/20/2011 14:53:55
Okay - so I have a question - when the weather turns bad, what are the OWS locations going to do? Its not going to be healthy for them to stay outside.
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 14:57:35
It's been something I am wondering as well. I think they are planning for the winter.
It's going to rough--I know Freedom Plaza is ALL Concrete -- it has to be wicked cold right now.
Raine on 10/20/2011 14:57:35
Quote by wickedpam:
Okay - so I have a question - when the weather turns bad, what are the OWS locations going to do? Its not going to be healthy for them to stay outside.
It's going to rough--I know Freedom Plaza is ALL Concrete -- it has to be wicked cold right now.
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 14:59:25
My bad -- I confused Bengal with Sumatran Tigers
Raine on 10/20/2011 14:59:25
Quote by Raine:Quote by TriSec:
Listening to TRMS right now about the Ohio incident.
There used to be a law in Ohio banning the private holding of so-called exotic animals. The new Republican governor overturned it, on the grounds of "over-regulation".
Like Rachel said....it's hard to understand how small business in Ohio benefited by 48 dead animals, including 18 rare Bengal tigers.
of which there are reports that there may be 4-500 left in the wild.
NO ONE should be able to own an endangered species in such a matter.
About 400-500 wild Sumatran tigers were believed to exist in 1998, but their numbers have continued to decline. According to the RSPB in March 2008 there were approximately 300 Sumatran Tigers remaining in the wild.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 10/20/2011 15:06:12
Scoopster on 10/20/2011 15:06:12
Mornin' all! 
Welp over here they have giant blue tarps over EVERYTHING.. it's a pretty large mudpit tho where the common areas are.
Quote by wickedpam:
Okay - so I have a question - when the weather turns bad, what are the OWS locations going to do? Its not going to be healthy for them to stay outside.
Welp over here they have giant blue tarps over EVERYTHING.. it's a pretty large mudpit tho where the common areas are.
Comment by TriSec on 10/20/2011 15:07:49
TriSec on 10/20/2011 15:07:49
I've done a long-term winter camp before. (It was only 4 days.) You've got to have the gear. It might be cold to sleep on concrete now, but there is the urban heat island effect, you normally do see it during the winter with the city a few degrees warmer than the suburbs, but that matters little when it's below freezing.
I think maybe if they do it in shifts; have folks rotate through for a few days at a time and maintain a small, but constant presence...they might make it.
I think maybe if they do it in shifts; have folks rotate through for a few days at a time and maintain a small, but constant presence...they might make it.
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 15:17:03
Raine on 10/20/2011 15:17:03
Comment by 
livingonli on 10/20/2011 15:17:29
livingonli on 10/20/2011 15:17:29
Good morning all. I conked out a lot last night so hopefully I caught up on some sleep. I heard the stories about the whole animal let loose and owner suicide in Ohio and the Governor's handling of it and denying how this is another deregulation disaster. I think they only get away with this because the people who remember the depression are dying off and they do remember those days from the past.
On another note, my sister-in-law's father passed away and the funeral is tomorrow so I will be out the better part of the morning and afternoon.
On another note, my sister-in-law's father passed away and the funeral is tomorrow so I will be out the better part of the morning and afternoon.
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 15:19:39
I'm sorry, Liv.
Raine on 10/20/2011 15:19:39
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning all. I conked out a lot last night so hopefully I caught up on some sleep. I heard the stories about the whole animal let loose and owner suicide in Ohio and the Governor's handling of it and denying how this is another deregulation disaster. I think they only get away with this because the people who remember the depression are dying off and they do remember those days from the past.
On another note, my sister-in-law's father passed away and the funeral is tomorrow so I will be out the better part of the morning and afternoon.
I'm sorry, Liv.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/20/2011 15:19:42
wickedpam on 10/20/2011 15:19:42
Sorry to hear about your family's loss Liv
Comment by wickedpam on 10/20/2011 15:21:18
wickedpam on 10/20/2011 15:21:18
The shift thing could work, but would it have the same impact?
Comment by Scoopster on 10/20/2011 15:30:02
Scoopster on 10/20/2011 15:30:02
This next long-distance dedication goes out to Herman Cain..
Comment by wickedpam on 10/20/2011 15:31:58
wickedpam on 10/20/2011 15:31:58
I love the Hillary clip of her just going "wow, humm, (pause) yeah, unconfirmed" she really sounds surprised
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 15:40:12
Oh I missed that. Was that on a newsbreak?
Raine on 10/20/2011 15:40:12
Quote by wickedpam:
I love the Hillary clip of her just going "wow, humm, (pause) yeah, unconfirmed" she really sounds surprised
Comment by wickedpam on 10/20/2011 15:44:03
yea, they've been playing on Green960
wickedpam on 10/20/2011 15:44:03
Quote by Raine:Oh I missed that. Was that on a newsbreak?Quote by wickedpam:
I love the Hillary clip of her just going "wow, humm, (pause) yeah, unconfirmed" she really sounds surprised
yea, they've been playing on Green960
Comment by TriSec on 10/20/2011 15:44:17
TriSec on 10/20/2011 15:44:17
BBC finally confirms. With photo.
"Ah. Pity we couldn't take the bastard alive." Stalin, on being informed of Hitler's death.
"Ah. Pity we couldn't take the bastard alive." Stalin, on being informed of Hitler's death.
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 15:50:21
What the story with this? IS Ed cancelled or is he moving to 8 pm?
Raine on 10/20/2011 15:50:21
Lawrence O'Donnell
Starting Monday @TheLastWord moves back to 10pm ET, Mondays through Thursdays.
Comment by livingonli on 10/20/2011 15:52:40
He is moving to 8 PM on Monday so they are flipping the shows. May be in response to Lawrence having lower ratings than Keith did at 8 PM and having to compete with Bill-O and now Anderson Cooper in that time slot.
livingonli on 10/20/2011 15:52:40
Quote by Raine:What the story with this? IS Ed cancelled or is he moving to 8 pm?Lawrence O'Donnell
Starting Monday @TheLastWord moves back to 10pm ET, Mondays through Thursdays.
He is moving to 8 PM on Monday so they are flipping the shows. May be in response to Lawrence having lower ratings than Keith did at 8 PM and having to compete with Bill-O and now Anderson Cooper in that time slot.
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 15:53:59
I prefer Lawrence at 10 pm, to be honest.
Raine on 10/20/2011 15:53:59
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:What the story with this? IS Ed cancelled or is he moving to 8 pm?Lawrence O'Donnell
Starting Monday @TheLastWord moves back to 10pm ET, Mondays through Thursdays.
He is moving to 8 PM on Monday so they are flipping the shows. May be in response to Lawrence having lower ratings than Keith did at 8 PM and having to compete with Bill-O and now Anderson Cooper in that time slot.
Comment by livingonli on 10/20/2011 16:10:48
livingonli on 10/20/2011 16:10:48
Pap is making the rounds today since he's on with Thom now.
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 10/20/2011 16:13:53
velveeta jones on 10/20/2011 16:13:53
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 16:42:20
:facepalm:
Raine on 10/20/2011 16:42:20
Quote by velveeta jones:
Oh those patriotic teabaggers!
We hate Obama so much we'll keep people poor just to hurt him!
:facepalm:
Comment by TriSec on 10/20/2011 16:45:54
TriSec on 10/20/2011 16:45:54
A business owner is going to torpedo his own business by not hiring or profiting because he's going to stop hiring folks in order to make a political point because he thinks the President is trying to take business away from him?
Hang on, the RPMs on my head are off the scale here.
Hang on, the RPMs on my head are off the scale here.
Comment by livingonli on 10/20/2011 16:48:14
livingonli on 10/20/2011 16:48:14
They want the economy to tank so that a Republican will get elected whose policies will tank the economy since they will copy what Chimpy and Coolidge-Hoover did before them. That's all clear as mud.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/20/2011 17:02:01
wickedpam on 10/20/2011 17:02:01
That's one of those things I found out about while helping mom apply for the medicare -
1. you have to apply at least 1 month before you turn 65 or you will be penalized
2. you can apply online
3. if you are working and have insurace through an employer then you only have to get Part A (the hospital stuff) - part B is to cover going to the doctor
4. It takes longer then 30 days to get that freaking card and you have to call a bunch of times to tell them the card never showed up
1. you have to apply at least 1 month before you turn 65 or you will be penalized
2. you can apply online
3. if you are working and have insurace through an employer then you only have to get Part A (the hospital stuff) - part B is to cover going to the doctor
4. It takes longer then 30 days to get that freaking card and you have to call a bunch of times to tell them the card never showed up
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 17:23:33
Interesting!
Raine on 10/20/2011 17:23:33
Quote by wickedpam:
That's one of those things I found out about while helping mom apply for the medicare -
1. you have to apply at least 1 month before you turn 65 or you will be penalized
2. you can apply online
3. if you are working and have insurace through an employer then you only have to get Part A (the hospital stuff) - part B is to cover going to the doctor
4. It takes longer then 30 days to get that freaking card and you have to call a bunch of times to tell them the card never showed up
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 17:24:06
Raine on 10/20/2011 17:24:06
Quote by TriSec:
A business owner is going to torpedo his own business by not hiring or profiting because he's going to stop hiring folks in order to make a political point because he thinks the President is trying to take business away from him?
Hang on, the RPMs on my head are off the scale here.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/20/2011 17:26:31
You know what? I say good riddance.
If they don't want to hire people or do business anymore, let them. It's called survival of the fittest, and by doing this they prove that they're nothing more than beached whales or moths that fly into the blue fluorescent light. And when their small bank account runs dry, they'll come crying for a handout and there won't be anything left. And I'll laugh at them all and remind them who the destroyer of our country was.
Scoopster on 10/20/2011 17:26:31
Quote by TriSec:
A business owner is going to torpedo his own business by not hiring or profiting because he's going to stop hiring folks in order to make a political point because he thinks the President is trying to take business away from him?
Hang on, the RPMs on my head are off the scale here.
You know what? I say good riddance.
If they don't want to hire people or do business anymore, let them. It's called survival of the fittest, and by doing this they prove that they're nothing more than beached whales or moths that fly into the blue fluorescent light. And when their small bank account runs dry, they'll come crying for a handout and there won't be anything left. And I'll laugh at them all and remind them who the destroyer of our country was.
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 17:28:37
Raine on 10/20/2011 17:28:37
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Oh I missed that. Was that on a newsbreak?Quote by wickedpam:
I love the Hillary clip of her just going "wow, humm, (pause) yeah, unconfirmed" she really sounds surprised
yea, they've been playing on Green960
Visit msnbc.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy
Comment by wickedpam on 10/20/2011 17:43:32
wickedpam on 10/20/2011 17:43:32
That's a very calm cool lady. If it had been one of the bush cowboy's I suspect there would have been a football spiking move
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 17:48:10
Raine on 10/20/2011 17:48:10
Hedz up: POTUS to speak from the Rose Garden at 2 pm.
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 17:52:38
Raine on 10/20/2011 17:52:38
Qadaffy WAS alive when he was caught. I just saw this video on youtube. I won't post the video here. It looks almost too snuff like for me.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/20/2011 18:00:47
Ellen Ratner just reported some thing similar on Thom's show - Do you think it was a heat of the momment incident with the rebels?
wickedpam on 10/20/2011 18:00:47
Quote by Raine:
Qadaffy WAS alive when he was caught. I just saw this video on youtube. I won't post the video here. It looks almost too snuff like for me.
Ellen Ratner just reported some thing similar on Thom's show - Do you think it was a heat of the momment incident with the rebels?
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 18:05:48
I heard that at the same time I was posting this.
I think yes, they killed him in the heat of emotion. I know I have heard that the NTA wanted to bring him to a court trial. When I saw that First picture, it looked like he was shot in the chest. Ratner also said they confiscated his gold gun -- Who knows.
Well -- he said he would die in Libya. I pray for the best for Libya going forward.
Raine on 10/20/2011 18:05:48
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Qadaffy WAS alive when he was caught. I just saw this video on youtube. I won't post the video here. It looks almost too snuff like for me.
Ellen Ratner just reported some thing similar on Thom's show - Do you think it was a heat of the momment incident with the rebels?
I think yes, they killed him in the heat of emotion. I know I have heard that the NTA wanted to bring him to a court trial. When I saw that First picture, it looked like he was shot in the chest. Ratner also said they confiscated his gold gun -- Who knows.
Well -- he said he would die in Libya. I pray for the best for Libya going forward.
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 18:12:42
Raine on 10/20/2011 18:12:42
Did I just hear a reporter say something about leading from behind? (at the statement Obama just made)
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 18:13:15
Raine on 10/20/2011 18:13:15
Is Thom Talking to Pat Buchanann? UGH.
UGH!
UGH!
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 18:14:48
Raine on 10/20/2011 18:14:48
What a racist asswipe. I don;t think I Can listen to this much more.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/20/2011 18:16:33
he's gone
wickedpam on 10/20/2011 18:16:33
Quote by Raine:
What a racist asswipe. I don;t think I Can listen to this much more.
he's gone
Comment by wickedpam on 10/20/2011 18:45:46
oh lord
I've had stores not take a check and only accept credit or debit but never would they ban cash. Heck what's this going to do to people who hold yard sales to make extra money?
wickedpam on 10/20/2011 18:45:46
Quote by Scoopster:
Louisiana bans using cash to buy second-hand goods
oh lord
I've had stores not take a check and only accept credit or debit but never would they ban cash. Heck what's this going to do to people who hold yard sales to make extra money?
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/20/2011 19:02:24
Mondobubba on 10/20/2011 19:02:24
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 19:12:08
Raine on 10/20/2011 19:12:08
F*ck John McCain -- BTW.
Comment by livingonli on 10/20/2011 19:28:03
Maybe it's a plot to get everyone on eBay. This is a great way to kill yard and garage sales since it's not like someone at home is going to set up to take credit cards.
livingonli on 10/20/2011 19:28:03
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:
Louisiana bans using cash to buy second-hand goods
oh lord
I've had stores not take a check and only accept credit or debit but never would they ban cash. Heck what's this going to do to people who hold yard sales to make extra money?
Maybe it's a plot to get everyone on eBay. This is a great way to kill yard and garage sales since it's not like someone at home is going to set up to take credit cards.
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 20:10:16
Did I miss the link to American Family Physician
that they cited?
Raine on 10/20/2011 20:10:16
Quote by Mondobubba:
Thank you Alternet for the overly alarmist article on MRSA and C Diff
that they cited?
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 20:19:09
So these are the stories that the author wrote.
And this is the authors website: scavenging.wordpress.com
I know it might not be nice to attack the messenger, but... I question the messenger.
There is no question in my mind that hospitals have issues with germs, etc. I don't even doubt an issue with C-Diff -- but I agree-- overly alarmist considering I see no medical background from this author.
The author has a blog about scavenging.
Raine on 10/20/2011 20:19:09
Quote by Raine:Did I miss the link to American Family PhysicianQuote by Mondobubba:
Thank you Alternet for the overly alarmist article on MRSA and C Diff
that they cited?
And this is the authors website: scavenging.wordpress.com
I know it might not be nice to attack the messenger, but... I question the messenger.
There is no question in my mind that hospitals have issues with germs, etc. I don't even doubt an issue with C-Diff -- but I agree-- overly alarmist considering I see no medical background from this author.
The author has a blog about scavenging.
Comment by Raine on 10/20/2011 20:58:03
YES I did.
Bill press did too:
WTF asshat question is this?
Raine on 10/20/2011 20:58:03
Quote by Raine:
Did I just hear a reporter say something about leading from behind? (at the statement Obama just made)
Bill press did too:
@bpshow: At end of Rose Garden remarks, Fox reporter shouts out: Does this justify leading from behind?
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/20/2011 21:18:35
This gets back to my Alternet Problem. We have discussed it before.
Mondobubba on 10/20/2011 21:18:35
Quote by Raine:So these are the stories that the author wrote.Quote by Raine:Did I miss the link to American Family PhysicianQuote by Mondobubba:
Thank you Alternet for the overly alarmist article on MRSA and C Diff
that they cited?
And this is the authors website: scavenging.wordpress.com
I know it might not be nice to attack the messenger, but... I question the messenger.
There is no question in my mind that hospitals have issues with germs, etc. I don't even doubt an issue with C-Diff -- but I agree-- overly alarmist considering I see no medical background from this author.
The author has a blog about scavenging.
This gets back to my Alternet Problem. We have discussed it before.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/20/2011 21:24:49
Mondobubba on 10/20/2011 21:24:49
Too bad Lisa Simone, NPR's ethic code covers all the employees. I know this because Mrs Mondo was receptionist for NPR for many years. Even the non-journalists are covered.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/20/2011 22:40:16
Mondobubba on 10/20/2011 22:40:16
Oh it the birthday of odious toad, Grover Norquist today. Think vile thoughts!