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--Story Redacted--
Author: Raine
Date: 02/25/2008 13:27:47
Last night, CBS's 60 Minutes reported the story of the prosecution of former Alabama governor Don Siegelman. The show featured comments by Republican insiders about what they allege to be politically motivated prosecutions against Democratic officials. It was pretty damning stuff. In case you were not aware, the Governor is in jail for corruption. He took money for his campaign in return for favours to supporters.
It was pretty much summed up this way:
The prosecution was led by a U.S. Attorney in Alabama who happened to be married to the campaign manager of Siegelman's Republican gubernatorial opponent. The story also weaved its way into the entire US attorney firing scandal. Karl Rove was named as conspirator in this case as well.
The story is explosive. The right wing is already attacking the whistleblower, Jill Simpson, and of course CBS. Congress and many of the fired US attorny's have asked for an investigation. The American Spectator wrote a piece slamming 60 Minutes, the White house is up in arms. It seems as though we may have a man in jail for his political affiliation, right here in America. Some countries call that a political prisoner. What may not be known about this case, is that during Siegelman's trial, his house was broken into a number of times, and during the investigation, Ms. Simpson was driven off the road mysteriously, while driving and her house had a fire. Sound familiar? Stories like this have quietly made the news for the past 7 years. CBS has stated that they still have a lot more information that did not make this story. So we WILL see more about this, I suspect.
Below are parts 1 & 2 as posted on you tube. You don't need to watch them now. But you do need the background to realize what happened last night.
If you were in Alabama, though, you probably could not see it. Most of this segment... AND THIS SEGMENT ONLY... was mysteriously blacked out. From Harpers magazine:
WHNT, as well as many other news outlets are blaming CBS for this glitch. That simply doesn't make sense. CBS wanted the story out. WHNT did not.
In our America, we have a man in jail for being a democrat and the people who this DIRECTLY affected were censored from watching it. Is this America? This is something that requires a full investigation by congress and the FCC. (That is, unless it John McCain doesn't already own the FCC. [see: John McCain Lobbyist Scandal]
Oh... and speaking of John McCain, I stumbled upon this From Birmingham online, There is a lot more at that link, but something that should be noted as well... Grant Woods? He is Godfather to one of John McCain's children, he is also on John McCain's election committee. That isn't an aquaintence, that is a very close and dear friend.
Wow, A "politically" motivated case? You think? One that was censored in Alabama involving John McCain, campaign donations for favors, Karl Rove, fires and break-ins? If you really go back and check the history, you will see that Siegleman's last election was lost by a very narrow margin, in a state that had election machine errors. Funny thing those Diebold machines are.
Is this for real?
YES. In America. We have a man in jail for being a democrat and the media trying to censor it away. What a criminal disgrace.
:peace: and
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It was pretty much summed up this way:
"They targeted Don Siegelman because they could not beat him fair and square. This was a Republican state and he was the one Democrat they could never get rid of."
Former Alabama AG, Grant Woods
The prosecution was led by a U.S. Attorney in Alabama who happened to be married to the campaign manager of Siegelman's Republican gubernatorial opponent. The story also weaved its way into the entire US attorney firing scandal. Karl Rove was named as conspirator in this case as well.
The story is explosive. The right wing is already attacking the whistleblower, Jill Simpson, and of course CBS. Congress and many of the fired US attorny's have asked for an investigation. The American Spectator wrote a piece slamming 60 Minutes, the White house is up in arms. It seems as though we may have a man in jail for his political affiliation, right here in America. Some countries call that a political prisoner. What may not be known about this case, is that during Siegelman's trial, his house was broken into a number of times, and during the investigation, Ms. Simpson was driven off the road mysteriously, while driving and her house had a fire. Sound familiar? Stories like this have quietly made the news for the past 7 years. CBS has stated that they still have a lot more information that did not make this story. So we WILL see more about this, I suspect.
Below are parts 1 & 2 as posted on you tube. You don't need to watch them now. But you do need the background to realize what happened last night.
If you were in Alabama, though, you probably could not see it. Most of this segment... AND THIS SEGMENT ONLY... was mysteriously blacked out. From Harpers magazine:
I am now hearing from readers all across Northern Alabama—from Decatur to Huntsville and considerably on down—that a mysterious “service interruption” blocked the broadcast of only the Siegelman segment of 60 Minutes this evening. The broadcaster is Channel 19 WHNT, which serves Northern Alabama and Southern Tennessee. This station was noteworthy for its hostility to Siegelman and support for his Republican adversary. The station ran a trailer stating “We apologize that you missed the first segment of 60 Minutes tonight featuring ‘The Prosecution of Don Siegelman.’ It was a techincal problem with CBS out of New York.” I contacted CBS News in New York and was told that “there is no delicate way to put this: the WHNT claim is not true. There were no transmission difficulties. The problems were peculiar to Channel 19, which had the signal and had functioning transmitters.” I was told that the decision to blacken screens across Northern Alabama “could only have been an editorial call.” Channel 19 is owned by Oak Hill Capital Partners, who can be contacted through Rhonda Barnat, 212-371-5999 or rb@abmac.com. Oak Hill Partners represents interests of the Bass family, which contribute heavily to the Republican Party. Viewers displeased about the channel’s decision to censor the broadcast should express their views directly to the station management or to the owners.
WHNT, as well as many other news outlets are blaming CBS for this glitch. That simply doesn't make sense. CBS wanted the story out. WHNT did not.
In our America, we have a man in jail for being a democrat and the people who this DIRECTLY affected were censored from watching it. Is this America? This is something that requires a full investigation by congress and the FCC. (That is, unless it John McCain doesn't already own the FCC. [see: John McCain Lobbyist Scandal]
Oh... and speaking of John McCain, I stumbled upon this From Birmingham online,
Former Arizona Attorney General Grant Woods told "60 Minutes" in an interview aired Sunday night that "red flags" surrounding the case against former Gov. Don Siegelman make him think the case is politically motivated.
Woods, a Republican, said Siegelman's having been prosecuted over campaign contributions made him question the prosecution.
Wow, A "politically" motivated case? You think? One that was censored in Alabama involving John McCain, campaign donations for favors, Karl Rove, fires and break-ins? If you really go back and check the history, you will see that Siegleman's last election was lost by a very narrow margin, in a state that had election machine errors. Funny thing those Diebold machines are.
Is this for real?
YES. In America. We have a man in jail for being a democrat and the media trying to censor it away. What a criminal disgrace.
:peace: and
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Comment by 
Raine on 02/25/2008 13:46:34
Raine on 02/25/2008 13:46:34
Comment by 
BobR on 02/25/2008 14:01:35
BobR on 02/25/2008 14:01:35
Morning, folks... :coffee:
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 14:17:23
Raine on 02/25/2008 14:17:23
IF hillary clinton is getting bad advice, I gotta say that that goes to her not really showing very good leadership qualities.
Wolfsson and Penn are exactly who she wanted.
Wolfsson and Penn are exactly who she wanted.
Comment by 
livingonli on 02/25/2008 14:18:38
livingonli on 02/25/2008 14:18:38
Good morning everyone. 
That person planning the Steph boycott is an idiot.
That person planning the Steph boycott is an idiot.
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 14:20:34
livingonli on 02/25/2008 14:20:34
The Weiner Savage. What a hateful pile of puke. 
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 14:24:03
livingonli on 02/25/2008 14:24:03
How was Jon Stewart at the Oscars last night?
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 14:26:42
Raine on 02/25/2008 14:26:42
Ralph nader, the Punxetauney Phil of politics. The man makes me ill.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 14:27:46
HE was awesome. Very entertaining.
Raine on 02/25/2008 14:27:46
Quote by livingonli: How was Jon Stewart at the Oscars last night?
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 14:29:12
And if Hillary is the nominee, her alienate progressive Democrats strategy might drive people to vote for him and insure President McCain.
livingonli on 02/25/2008 14:29:12
Quote by Raine: Ralph nader, the Punxetauney Phil of politics. The man makes me ill.
And if Hillary is the nominee, her alienate progressive Democrats strategy might drive people to vote for him and insure President McCain.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 14:29:34
Raine on 02/25/2008 14:29:34
Comment by 
shelaghc on 02/25/2008 14:37:37
Jon was all kinds of awesome. Not as flashy as Billy Crystal (and who doesn't miss Billy's Oscar songs!), but way more relaxed than he had any right to be considering the writers' strike.
shelaghc on 02/25/2008 14:37:37
Quote by livingonli: How was Jon Stewart at the Oscars last night?
Jon was all kinds of awesome. Not as flashy as Billy Crystal (and who doesn't miss Billy's Oscar songs!), but way more relaxed than he had any right to be considering the writers' strike.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 14:39:47
Raine on 02/25/2008 14:39:47
WEll with her campaign now floating that Obama picture (see link below) her sarcastic campaign speech this weekend, the anger over the Barack Flyers, and all the other stuff she has pulled, I hope people make the choice, more of the same negativity or Obama.
Personally, they are both well qualified. but I don't think there is anything wrong with feeling hopeful.
Personally, they are both well qualified. but I don't think there is anything wrong with feeling hopeful.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 14:40:33
Raine on 02/25/2008 14:40:33
Good Morning :ireland:!!!
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 14:42:01
Raine on 02/25/2008 14:42:01
BTW, I realized something, it is NOT universal Health CARE.
It is universal HEAlth Insurance. Big diff. France has Universal HEalth care. Both candidates still involve FOR profit health insurance carriers.
It is better than what we have now, but it isn't universal Health care.
It is universal HEAlth Insurance. Big diff. France has Universal HEalth care. Both candidates still involve FOR profit health insurance carriers.
It is better than what we have now, but it isn't universal Health care.
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 14:43:22
livingonli on 02/25/2008 14:43:22
Single payer would actually be cheaper than any of the schemes being floated about.
Comment by BobR on 02/25/2008 14:44:50
BobR on 02/25/2008 14:44:50
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 14:47:02
After all, he's been right on everything else.
livingonli on 02/25/2008 14:47:02
Quote by BobR: No surprise, but Bill Krystol suggests the Clinton campaign use the politics of fear
After all, he's been right on everything else.
Comment by BobR on 02/25/2008 14:48:05
I can't say for certain, but perhaps the idea is to force the insurance companies to act fairly. Gradually, they will get out of the health insurance biz because they can't maintain their obscene profits, and then the government can take over.
BobR on 02/25/2008 14:48:05
Quote by Raine: BTW, I realized something, it is NOT universal Health CARE.
It is universal HEAlth Insurance. Big diff. France has Universal HEalth care. Both candidates still involve FOR profit health insurance carriers.
It is better than what we have now, but it isn't universal Health care.
I can't say for certain, but perhaps the idea is to force the insurance companies to act fairly. Gradually, they will get out of the health insurance biz because they can't maintain their obscene profits, and then the government can take over.
Comment by 
m-hadley on 02/25/2008 14:53:11
m-hadley on 02/25/2008 14:53:11
Mornin' Everybody,
My message for this morning is thumbs down for Nader, thumbs up for Jon Stewart and my question of the morning is "Why won't Exxon use a fraction of their record profits to settle the Valdez Oil Spill Claims?"
Cheers,
mfaye
My message for this morning is thumbs down for Nader, thumbs up for Jon Stewart and my question of the morning is "Why won't Exxon use a fraction of their record profits to settle the Valdez Oil Spill Claims?"
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by 
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 14:56:15
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 14:56:15
Morning! :hug:
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 14:57:37
livingonli on 02/25/2008 14:57:37
Good morning Mala. How was your weekend?
And good morning to Faye, too. I think Exxon doesn't want to relinquish any penny of profit.
And good morning to Faye, too. I think Exxon doesn't want to relinquish any penny of profit.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 14:57:53
Raine on 02/25/2008 14:57:53
Romney may rejoin the race? From the LA Times:
OH, that could be just RICH!
Breaking News: Mitt Romney to rejoin GOP race?
Josh Romney, one of former Gov. Mitt Romney's five sons, says it's "possible" his father may rejoin the race for the White House, either as a vice presidential candidate or seek to become the Republican Party's standard bearer if the campaign of Sen. John McCain falters.
The 60-year-old Romney, who "suspended" his campaign for the GOP nomination after a disappointing showing on Super Tuesday and a week later endorsed McCain, was taking a break from politics this weekend on a skiing vacation in Utah with his wife Ann, according to his 32-year-old son.
The elder Romney, who was unable to assemble sufficient conservative support to thwart McCain, has made no public comment since the McCain camp was rocked....
OH, that could be just RICH!
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 14:58:49
Raine on 02/25/2008 14:58:49
Morning Faye and Mala!!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 15:01:52
It was good - went to a shoe sale and found about 4 pair which is always nice. It's so hard to find cool shoes when ya got big feet.
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 15:01:52
Quote by livingonli: Good morning Mala. How was your weekend?
And good morning to Faye, too. I think Exxon doesn't want to relinquish any penny of profit.
It was good - went to a shoe sale and found about 4 pair which is always nice. It's so hard to find cool shoes when ya got big feet.
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 15:04:27
Maybe we should add that popcorn eating emoticon.
livingonli on 02/25/2008 15:04:27
Quote by Raine: Romney may rejoin the race? From the LA Times:Breaking News: Mitt Romney to rejoin GOP race?
Josh Romney, one of former Gov. Mitt Romney's five sons, says it's "possible" his father may rejoin the race for the White House, either as a vice presidential candidate or seek to become the Republican Party's standard bearer if the campaign of Sen. John McCain falters.
The 60-year-old Romney, who "suspended" his campaign for the GOP nomination after a disappointing showing on Super Tuesday and a week later endorsed McCain, was taking a break from politics this weekend on a skiing vacation in Utah with his wife Ann, according to his 32-year-old son.
The elder Romney, who was unable to assemble sufficient conservative support to thwart McCain, has made no public comment since the McCain camp was rocked....
OH, that could be just RICH!
Maybe we should add that popcorn eating emoticon.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 15:05:47
The Obama Campaign comments.
Raine on 02/25/2008 15:05:47
Quote by Raine: The clintons seem to have hit even lower.
The Obama Campaign comments.
Obama campaign manager David Plouffe accused the Clinton campaign Monday of "shameful offensive fear-mongering" by circulating a photo as an attempted smear.
Plouffe was reacting to a banner headline on the Drudge Report saying that aides to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) had e-mailed a photo calling attention to the African roots of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).
"The photo, taken in 2006, shows the Democrat front-runner dressed as a Somali Elder, during his visit to Wajir, a rural area in northeastern Kenya," the Drudge Report said.
The Clinton campaign did not deny the charge, but did not comment further.
Plouffe said in a statement: “On the very day that Senator Clinton is giving a speech about restoring respect for America in the world, her campaign has engaged in the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party in this election. This is part of a disturbing pattern that led her county chairs to resign in Iowa, her campaign chairman to resign in New Hampshire, and it’s exactly the kind of divisive politics that turns away Americans of all parties and diminishes respect for America in the world," said Plouffe.
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 15:14:22
livingonli on 02/25/2008 15:14:22
Actually, this will be Nader's 4th bid.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 15:14:35
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 15:14:35
Okay what is the freaking deal with the hotel? I just called the local number and they are saying the rooms are 209 and there are no regular rooms with doubles just suites!
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 15:15:49
Raine on 02/25/2008 15:15:49
Ralph Nader, the annoying Boil on the behind of politics.
Comment by shelaghc on 02/25/2008 15:15:51
If Nader did something presidential during the four years between elections, he might have some standing.
As it is, IMHO he's just a lardass looking for a way to get attention for himself.
shelaghc on 02/25/2008 15:15:51
Quote by livingonli: Actually, this will be Nader's 4th bid.
If Nader did something presidential during the four years between elections, he might have some standing.
As it is, IMHO he's just a lardass looking for a way to get attention for himself.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 15:18:59
Have you gone to one of those travel sites? I am no good at sifting thru them, I shuold warn you of that.
Raine on 02/25/2008 15:18:59
Quote by wickedpam: Okay what is the freaking deal with the hotel? I just called the local number and they are saying the rooms are 209 and there are no regular rooms with doubles just suites!
Comment by BobR on 02/25/2008 15:19:37
Book online
Still showing 119 online...
BobR on 02/25/2008 15:19:37
Quote by wickedpam: Okay what is the freaking deal with the hotel? I just called the local number and they are saying the rooms are 209 and there are no regular rooms with doubles just suites!
Book online
Still showing 119 online...
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 15:19:52
I think they are just trying to get the highest rates possible for that weekend since everyone is looking online for deals. I guess if someone is willing to sleep on the couch, you could still try for a suite.
livingonli on 02/25/2008 15:19:52
Quote by wickedpam: Okay what is the freaking deal with the hotel? I just called the local number and they are saying the rooms are 209 and there are no regular rooms with doubles just suites!
I think they are just trying to get the highest rates possible for that weekend since everyone is looking online for deals. I guess if someone is willing to sleep on the couch, you could still try for a suite.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 15:23:29
Orbitz has a double room for 139
Travelocity has it for 140 but it's a king only
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 15:23:29
Quote by Raine:Have you gone to one of those travel sites? I am no good at sifting thru them, I shuold warn you of that.Quote by wickedpam: Okay what is the freaking deal with the hotel? I just called the local number and they are saying the rooms are 209 and there are no regular rooms with doubles just suites!
Orbitz has a double room for 139
Travelocity has it for 140 but it's a king only
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 15:24:13
livingonli on 02/25/2008 15:24:13
BTW, Nader only got .4% of the vote in 2004. Hardly a sterling showing for his message.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 15:25:41
That is the crux of it all. HE is like someone who shows up at the end of spring training and expects a spot in the starting line up. Sorry, it just doesn't work that way. HE has done NOTHING between elec nothing.
I resent this twit of an old man thinking that he can come in on hiw tweed horse and tell me that he is going to save us all from ourselves.
Raine on 02/25/2008 15:25:41
Quote by shelaghc:Quote by livingonli: Actually, this will be Nader's 4th bid.
If Nader did something presidential during the four years between elections, he might have some standing.
As it is, IMHO he's just a lardass looking for a way to get attention for himself.
I resent this twit of an old man thinking that he can come in on hiw tweed horse and tell me that he is going to save us all from ourselves.
"F*ck you Ralph nader.
Go away. you did your work, I appreciate all your consumer advocacy, but now, please go away.
And if you think that america is disenfranchised, perhaps instead of Running for president you can run for a congressional seat. becuase THAT is where people are most dissatified. In other words, do a little ERAL work to help America. "
Signed,
Raine
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 15:28:56
Shelagh, if you get a chance try looking for that AARP rate.
livingonli on 02/25/2008 15:28:56
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Have you gone to one of those travel sites? I am no good at sifting thru them, I shuold warn you of that.Quote by wickedpam: Okay what is the freaking deal with the hotel? I just called the local number and they are saying the rooms are 209 and there are no regular rooms with doubles just suites!
Orbitz has a double room for 139
Travelocity has it for 140 but it's a king only
Shelagh, if you get a chance try looking for that AARP rate.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 15:36:09
Okay - booked the room (sharing with HBK) called the national number and got the 139 rate.
Shelagh if you can get a good rate for a suite with two doubles and a couch let me know and we can switch things up.
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 15:36:09
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Have you gone to one of those travel sites? I am no good at sifting thru them, I shuold warn you of that.Quote by wickedpam: Okay what is the freaking deal with the hotel? I just called the local number and they are saying the rooms are 209 and there are no regular rooms with doubles just suites!
Orbitz has a double room for 139
Travelocity has it for 140 but it's a king only
Shelagh, if you get a chance try looking for that AARP rate.
Okay - booked the room (sharing with HBK) called the national number and got the 139 rate.
Shelagh if you can get a good rate for a suite with two doubles and a couch let me know and we can switch things up.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 15:37:22
Raine on 02/25/2008 15:37:22
Hillary:
Raine: She sunk to a new low this weekend, or so I thought, until this morning.
Raine: She sunk to a new low this weekend, or so I thought, until this morning.
Comment by shelaghc on 02/25/2008 15:38:22
Interesting. When I first searched for two adults, I got $140 and a king only.
When I changed the search to three adults, I got several other options starting at $129 per night.
Bottom line - it looks like while we were hesitating, we lost the best prices.
shelaghc on 02/25/2008 15:38:22
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Have you gone to one of those travel sites? I am no good at sifting thru them, I shuold warn you of that.Quote by wickedpam: Okay what is the freaking deal with the hotel? I just called the local number and they are saying the rooms are 209 and there are no regular rooms with doubles just suites!
Orbitz has a double room for 139
Travelocity has it for 140 but it's a king only
Shelagh, if you get a chance try looking for that AARP rate.
Interesting. When I first searched for two adults, I got $140 and a king only.
When I changed the search to three adults, I got several other options starting at $129 per night.
Bottom line - it looks like while we were hesitating, we lost the best prices.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 15:39:59
Raine on 02/25/2008 15:39:59
:ireland: regarding the room, I will talk to Velveeta today, she is coming along as far as I can see, and depending on whether her wife will be joining us, you guys may be able to share a room as well.
Now worries, we can work all of this out.
Now worries, we can work all of this out.
Comment by BobR on 02/25/2008 15:41:55
Like I said - the Holiday Inn website still shows rooms for $119.
BobR on 02/25/2008 15:41:55
Quote by BobR:
Book online
Still showing 119 online...
Like I said - the Holiday Inn website still shows rooms for $119.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 15:43:17
Raine on 02/25/2008 15:43:17
:bad: you can't say that NAfta wasn't the Clinton's fault. nope sorry.
She defended NAFTA. THIS nafta.
Comment by BobR on 02/25/2008 15:43:27
whoops - better start with the Hotel's website
BobR on 02/25/2008 15:43:27
Quote by BobR:
Like I said - the Holiday Inn website still shows rooms for $119.
whoops - better start with the Hotel's website
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 15:43:32
When I booked my room, I got a $119 rate with my AAA membership. Although if I had booked once we settled on the date, I could have probably gotten it for only $104 a night.
livingonli on 02/25/2008 15:43:32
Quote by shelaghc:
Bottom line - it looks like while we were hesitating, we lost the best prices.
When I booked my room, I got a $119 rate with my AAA membership. Although if I had booked once we settled on the date, I could have probably gotten it for only $104 a night.
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 15:44:59
Her Hubby did push for it. And notice that when it was voted on, Bill Clinton needed Republican support because Progressive Democrats were opposed to the deal.
livingonli on 02/25/2008 15:44:59
Quote by Raine:you can't say that NAfta wasn't the Clinton's fault. nope sorry.
She defended NAFTA. THIS nafta.
Her Hubby did push for it. And notice that when it was voted on, Bill Clinton needed Republican support because Progressive Democrats were opposed to the deal.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 15:46:41
Exactly! Worse case, I'll bring the aerobed and we'll put that on the floor
I've slept on it before and I can sleep on it again :D
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 15:46:41
Quote by Raine:
Now worries, we can work all of this out.
Exactly! Worse case, I'll bring the aerobed and we'll put that on the floor
I've slept on it before and I can sleep on it again :D
Comment by BobR on 02/25/2008 15:47:14
Settling on the date was only half the battle - the other half was deciding on the hotel. The term "herding cats" certainly applied to this venture.
You could've booked when it was 104, and cancelled if we agreed on a different hotel.
Just sayin'...
BobR on 02/25/2008 15:47:14
Quote by livingonli:
When I booked my room, I got a $119 rate with my AAA membership. Although if I had booked once we settled on the date, I could have probably gotten it for only $104 a night.
Settling on the date was only half the battle - the other half was deciding on the hotel. The term "herding cats" certainly applied to this venture.
You could've booked when it was 104, and cancelled if we agreed on a different hotel.
Just sayin'...
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 15:47:22
As the saying goes -
The early bird catchs the worm
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 15:47:22
Quote by livingonli:Quote by shelaghc:
Bottom line - it looks like while we were hesitating, we lost the best prices.
When I booked my room, I got a $119 rate with my AAA membership. Although if I had booked once we settled on the date, I could have probably gotten it for only $104 a night.
As the saying goes -
The early bird catchs the worm
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 15:51:01
livingonli on 02/25/2008 15:51:01
I guess I am just used to booking online when it used to be automatic. My Holiday Inn confirmation does have that I can cancel up to the date of my stay. I guess I was just being cautious.
Comment by 
starling310 on 02/25/2008 15:53:14
starling310 on 02/25/2008 15:53:14
Hallo everyone.
Working from home. Read: Watching the Oscars, which I recorded.
Is this for real?
Sweet Jesus.
Working from home. Read: Watching the Oscars, which I recorded.
Quote by Raine: The clintons seem to have hit even lower.
Is this for real?
Sweet Jesus.
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 15:54:57
livingonli on 02/25/2008 15:54:57
Hi At least that way you can shuttle through the dull parts.
Maybe I should have recorded it. Although I wonder how much hard drive space I would have used recording it off HD.
At least that way you can shuttle through the dull parts. Maybe I should have recorded it. Although I wonder how much hard drive space I would have used recording it off HD.
Comment by starling310 on 02/25/2008 15:56:06
starling310 on 02/25/2008 15:56:06
The girl, whom I met on Match.com ( um, no comments please ) and have been talking to for a couple weeks had this to say about Nader. I think it sums it up nicely.
one word: asshole. frankly, i'm beginning to think he's a republican plant. i don't care about the need for a multiple party system at this point. this election is too important, and if nader had any sense or true care for this country he'd get his megalomaniacal ass out of the race. that's my two cents. i'm pissed. i would go as far as to say that i think his entering the race at this juncture smacks of such reckless disreguard for what's at stake in the current election that, for me, it calls into question nader's overall capacity for judgement. . .
Comment by starling310 on 02/25/2008 15:57:12
Exactly! All those song performances? Colin Farrell? Fast Forward!
starling310 on 02/25/2008 15:57:12
Quote by livingonli: Hi
Maybe I should have recorded it. Although I wonder how much hard drive space I would have used recording it off HD.
Exactly! All those song performances? Colin Farrell? Fast Forward!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 15:58:12
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 15:58:12
BTW - weight loss update (if ya'll don't mind me tooting my own horn 
) -
drumrolll please........
I've lost 35lbs since Oct 27!
) - drumrolll please........
I've lost 35lbs since Oct 27!
Comment by BobR on 02/25/2008 15:58:15
That would be the 3 Disney songs. :puke:
BobR on 02/25/2008 15:58:15
Quote by livingonli: Hi
That would be the 3 Disney songs. :puke:
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 16:00:34
bold mine
My boss met her current hubby on Match - they're adorable together. Think that Match shows some promise.
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 16:00:34
Quote by starling310: The girl, whom I met on Match.com ( um, no comments please ) and have been talking to for a couple weeks had this to say about Nader. I think it sums it up nicely.one word: asshole. frankly, i'm beginning to think he's a republican plant. i don't care about the need for a multiple party system at this point. this election is too important, and if nader had any sense or true care for this country he'd get his megalomaniacal ass out of the race. that's my two cents. i'm pissed. i would go as far as to say that i think his entering the race at this juncture smacks of such reckless disreguard for what's at stake in the current election that, for me, it calls into question nader's overall capacity for judgement. . .
bold mine
My boss met her current hubby on Match - they're adorable together. Think that Match shows some promise.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 16:02:06
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 16:02:06
Was it just me or did every just hear Faye Dunnaway doing Joan Crawford yelling Don't Fuck with me Fellas! without the bleep.
Comment by starling310 on 02/25/2008 16:04:35
starling310 on 02/25/2008 16:04:35
Quote by wickedpam: BTW - weight loss update (if ya'll don't mind me tooting my own horn
drumrolll please........
I've lost 35lbs since Oct 27!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 16:05:14
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 16:05:14
hmm - maybe it was just me and I hit something by accident :scratchhead:
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 16:09:15
Congrautlations.
And many more.
livingonli on 02/25/2008 16:09:15
Quote by wickedpam: BTW - weight loss update (if ya'll don't mind me tooting my own horn
drumrolll please........
I've lost 35lbs since Oct 27!
Congrautlations.
And many more.
Comment by BobR on 02/25/2008 16:10:52
BobR on 02/25/2008 16:10:52
Comment by BobR on 02/25/2008 16:12:21
Good for you!!
The important thing: Do you feel better not having to carry that weight around?
BobR on 02/25/2008 16:12:21
Quote by wickedpam: BTW - weight loss update (if ya'll don't mind me tooting my own horn
drumrolll please........
I've lost 35lbs since Oct 27!
Good for you!!
The important thing: Do you feel better not having to carry that weight around?
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 16:13:33
yes, it seems so. The Clintons have not denied this.
Raine on 02/25/2008 16:13:33
Quote by starling310: Hallo everyone.
Working from home. Read: Watching the Oscars, which I recorded.Quote by Raine: The clintons seem to have hit even lower.
Is this for real?
Sweet Jesus.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 16:15:28
Maybe it was from the blog? I posted the audicon before....
AND 
for you Mala! that is amazing wonderful news!!!
Raine on 02/25/2008 16:15:28
Quote by wickedpam: Was it just me or did every just hear Faye Dunnaway doing Joan Crawford yelling Don't Fuck with me Fellas! without the bleep.
AND
for you Mala! that is amazing wonderful news!!!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 16:16:15
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 16:16:15
Thanks guys!
I am feeling better, I never realized that it would effect me so much and while I still have a ways to go, I'm enjoying that I can get up the stairs without my knees killing me or being so out of breath.
I am feeling better, I never realized that it would effect me so much and while I still have a ways to go, I'm enjoying that I can get up the stairs without my knees killing me or being so out of breath.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 16:17:14
Two Words: I agree.
Raine on 02/25/2008 16:17:14
one word: asshole. frankly, i'm beginning to think he's a republican plant. i don't care about the need for a multiple party system at this point. this election is too important, and if nader had any sense or true care for this country he'd get his megalomaniacal ass out of the race. that's my two cents. i'm pissed. i would go as far as to say that i think his entering the race at this juncture smacks of such reckless disreguard for what's at stake in the current election that, for me, it calls into question nader's overall capacity for judgement. . .
Two Words: I agree.
Comment by shelaghc on 02/25/2008 16:18:27
I got $119 with AARP too. Who wants to room with me?
btw, no suites available, but they do have balconies. If others are interested, I'll keep calling to see if a suite becomes available.
shelaghc on 02/25/2008 16:18:27
Quote by livingonli:Quote by shelaghc:
Bottom line - it looks like while we were hesitating, we lost the best prices.
When I booked my room, I got a $119 rate with my AAA membership. Although if I had booked once we settled on the date, I could have probably gotten it for only $104 a night.
I got $119 with AARP too. Who wants to room with me?
btw, no suites available, but they do have balconies. If others are interested, I'll keep calling to see if a suite becomes available.
Comment by starling310 on 02/25/2008 16:19:38
starling310 on 02/25/2008 16:19:38
Oofda, for some reason it didn't occur to me that Heath Ledger would be in the "In Memoriam."
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 16:19:45
livingonli on 02/25/2008 16:19:45
Once the weather warms up and the snow melts. I better try and get back on the exercise routine.
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 16:21:55
I wonder if that's going to add to the creepiness of the Joker when The Dark Knight comes out later in the spring.
livingonli on 02/25/2008 16:21:55
Quote by starling310: Oofda, for some reason it didn't occur to me that Heath Ledger would be in the "In Memoriam."
I wonder if that's going to add to the creepiness of the Joker when The Dark Knight comes out later in the spring.
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 16:23:36
livingonli on 02/25/2008 16:23:36
BTW, don't forget, Sam is filling in for Randi all this week while she is on the AAR cruise.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 16:27:26
YEAH! A break from Randi's ego!
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 16:27:26
Quote by livingonli: BTW, don't forget, Sam is filling in for Randi all this week while she is on the AAR cruise.
YEAH! A break from Randi's ego!
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 16:30:16
The Clinton Capaign has commented and is now on the record... HOWEVER...
=====================================
And I have some info coming about the Weather underground story as well... if this story WERE true... it would have made Barack about 10 years old when he associated with thesee people... who have since gone on to doing some AMAZING work for the underserved in CHicago. Plus there are rumours that that story as well may have come from the Clinton campaign.
I will get the info asap.
Raine on 02/25/2008 16:30:16
Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine: The clintons seem to have hit even lower.
The Obama Campaign comments.Obama campaign manager David Plouffe accused the Clinton campaign Monday of "shameful offensive fear-mongering" by circulating a photo as an attempted smear.
Plouffe was reacting to a banner headline on the Drudge Report saying that aides to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) had e-mailed a photo calling attention to the African roots of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).
"The photo, taken in 2006, shows the Democrat front-runner dressed as a Somali Elder, during his visit to Wajir, a rural area in northeastern Kenya," the Drudge Report said.
The Clinton campaign did not deny the charge, but did not comment further.
Plouffe said in a statement: “On the very day that Senator Clinton is giving a speech about restoring respect for America in the world, her campaign has engaged in the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party in this election. This is part of a disturbing pattern that led her county chairs to resign in Iowa, her campaign chairman to resign in New Hampshire, and it’s exactly the kind of divisive politics that turns away Americans of all parties and diminishes respect for America in the world," said Plouffe.
The Clinton Capaign has commented and is now on the record... HOWEVER...
Clinton campaign doesn't deny distributing photo, launches counter-attack
=====================================
And I have some info coming about the Weather underground story as well... if this story WERE true... it would have made Barack about 10 years old when he associated with thesee people... who have since gone on to doing some AMAZING work for the underserved in CHicago. Plus there are rumours that that story as well may have come from the Clinton campaign.
I will get the info asap.
Comment by BobR on 02/25/2008 16:31:24
FWIW - Raine and I met each other online, not via an online dating site, but nonetheless: it's a great way to get to know someone first without all of the physical stuff distracting you.
BobR on 02/25/2008 16:31:24
Quote by wickedpam:
My boss met her current hubby on Match - they're adorable together. Think that Match shows some promise.
FWIW - Raine and I met each other online, not via an online dating site, but nonetheless: it's a great way to get to know someone first without all of the physical stuff distracting you.
Comment by shelaghc on 02/25/2008 16:31:57
Who's covering for Rachel? I miss Isaac Davey Aronson and David Bender. Either of them would do it for me!
shelaghc on 02/25/2008 16:31:57
Quote by livingonli: BTW, don't forget, Sam is filling in for Randi all this week while she is on the AAR cruise.
Who's covering for Rachel? I miss Isaac Davey Aronson and David Bender. Either of them would do it for me!
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 16:35:18
************From Buzz Flash, regarding the Weather Underground group: ***************
MUCH more at the link.
Raine on 02/25/2008 16:35:18
But what got me riled up again about Senator Clinton’s most recent campaign tactics was not so much the over-the-top and sadly ironic news conference regarding two mailers by the Obama campaign in Ohio. (Clinton’s campaign had sent out a mailer in New Hampshire that said that Obama couldn’t be trusted on Choice, when he had a 100% Planned Parenthood rating during his senate years in Illinois, and is continuing that voting record in the U.S. Senate.)
No, what got us in a lather were little noticed e-mails by a Clinton staffer goading the press to follow-up on an allegation that Obama had ties to “radical groups.”
The Clinton spokesperson, Phil Singer, was in gutter mode when he pushed a story -- which was either placed in the New York Sun and Politico by the Clinton or McCain campaigns – that tried to connect Obama to the radical “Weather Underground” that was in its heyday when Obama wasn’t even a teenager.
What was the connection? Well, Obama, many years ago, had an Illinois Senate fundraiser and accepted a small donation from William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. Were they both in the violent “Weather Underground” when Obama was in elementary school? Yes. But trying to connect a ten-year-old Obama, living in Indonesia and Hawaii, with a radical, long-ago defunct movement is inexcusable.
It is another sleazy attack that Senator Clinton supporters will have to compromise their souls to support.
MUCH more at the link.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 16:35:59
I know! :hug:
I think I guessed way before you guys said anything - think I freaked Raine out a little bit. Sometimes you can just tell when people go together :D
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 16:35:59
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
My boss met her current hubby on Match - they're adorable together. Think that Match shows some promise.
FWIW - Raine and I met each other online, not via an online dating site, but nonetheless: it's a great way to get to know someone first without all of the physical stuff distracting you.
I know! :hug:
I think I guessed way before you guys said anything - think I freaked Raine out a little bit. Sometimes you can just tell when people go together :D
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 16:38:27
Raine on 02/25/2008 16:38:27
From ABC News:
Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores Her Own Radical Ties
The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group mentioned in the Obama stories.
"Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001. (Obama's ties to the radical group first surfaced last week in a Bloomberg News article.)
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from Politico.com reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another former member of the radical group.
Opting to leave any attacks on the issue to the GOP may be wise, as attacks from Clinton could backfire. In his final day in office, President Clinton pardoned another one-time member of the Weather Underground, Susan L. Rosenberg, after she had served 16 years in prison on federal charges.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 16:43:17
Raine on 02/25/2008 16:43:17
Did Weather underground break the blog?
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 16:44:06
But Bill Clinton wouldn't pardon Leonard Peltier where there have been many issues about whether he was falsely imprisoned .
livingonli on 02/25/2008 16:44:06
Quote by Raine: From ABC News:Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores Her Own Radical Ties
The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group mentioned in the Obama stories.
"Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001. (Obama's ties to the radical group first surfaced last week in a Bloomberg News article.)
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from Politico.com reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another former member of the radical group.
Opting to leave any attacks on the issue to the GOP may be wise, as attacks from Clinton could backfire. In his final day in office, President Clinton pardoned another one-time member of the Weather Underground, Susan L. Rosenberg, after she had served 16 years in prison on federal charges.
But Bill Clinton wouldn't pardon Leonard Peltier where there have been many issues about whether he was falsely imprisoned .
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 16:45:55
livingonli on 02/25/2008 16:45:55
I just wonder if Randi is going to treat the cruise patrons any better than when she was on the Alaska cruise.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 16:47:49
Raine on 02/25/2008 16:47:49
I myself could legitamately accuse Hillary Clinton of being a part of a radical group myself... The republicans...
This whole WU stroy smells to high heaven. One of the people that met with Obama is a lawyer at the University of Illinois, the other works for a foundation for children. IT is probably the most disgusting thing I have yet to see come from the Clinton campaign.
Thsi is not what I want from a president. This is what I would expect (all of this crap) from the republicans of the ilk of John McCain and Mitt Romney.
This whole WU stroy smells to high heaven. One of the people that met with Obama is a lawyer at the University of Illinois, the other works for a foundation for children. IT is probably the most disgusting thing I have yet to see come from the Clinton campaign.
Thsi is not what I want from a president. This is what I would expect (all of this crap) from the republicans of the ilk of John McCain and Mitt Romney.
Comment by shelaghc on 02/25/2008 16:50:30
Beg pardon? What's this about?
Gossip?
;)
shelaghc on 02/25/2008 16:50:30
Quote by livingonli: I just wonder if Randi is going to treat the cruise patrons any better than when she was on the Alaska cruise.
Beg pardon? What's this about?
Gossip?
;)
Comment by shelaghc on 02/25/2008 16:51:08
shelaghc on 02/25/2008 16:51:08
A friend here in Pittsburgh told me last week she's supporting Hillary.
I wonder what she thinks now?
I wonder what she thinks now?
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 16:53:19
Ya know she would just get all pissy if someone said Abbie Hoffman or Jerry Rubin were linked to her. She needs to stop this kinda attack.
I was leaning her way, but she's done some really unclassy things and it all smacks of desparation.
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 16:53:19
Quote by Raine:************From Buzz Flash, regarding the Weather Underground group: *************** But what got me riled up again about Senator Clinton’s most recent campaign tactics was not so much the over-the-top and sadly ironic news conference regarding two mailers by the Obama campaign in Ohio. (Clinton’s campaign had sent out a mailer in New Hampshire that said that Obama couldn’t be trusted on Choice, when he had a 100% Planned Parenthood rating during his senate years in Illinois, and is continuing that voting record in the U.S. Senate.)
No, what got us in a lather were little noticed e-mails by a Clinton staffer goading the press to follow-up on an allegation that Obama had ties to “radical groups.”
The Clinton spokesperson, Phil Singer, was in gutter mode when he pushed a story -- which was either placed in the New York Sun and Politico by the Clinton or McCain campaigns – that tried to connect Obama to the radical “Weather Underground” that was in its heyday when Obama wasn’t even a teenager.
What was the connection? Well, Obama, many years ago, had an Illinois Senate fundraiser and accepted a small donation from William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. Were they both in the violent “Weather Underground” when Obama was in elementary school? Yes. But trying to connect a ten-year-old Obama, living in Indonesia and Hawaii, with a radical, long-ago defunct movement is inexcusable.
It is another sleazy attack that Senator Clinton supporters will have to compromise their souls to support.
MUCH more at the link.
Ya know she would just get all pissy if someone said Abbie Hoffman or Jerry Rubin were linked to her. She needs to stop this kinda attack.
I was leaning her way, but she's done some really unclassy things and it all smacks of desparation.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 16:55:16
You know, these stories that I am posting on the blog are not meant to smear her. Seems like a lot of people are saying that is what all of this is. When I see something I do the research to see what is going on, and time and time again, I find crap like this.
I mean hell, when I heard the WU story and Obama, I wanted to see if it was true. it really isn't.
She needs to stop using the tactics that are used by the people we despise.
Raine on 02/25/2008 16:55:16
Quote by shelaghc: A friend here in Pittsburgh told me last week she's supporting Hillary.
I wonder what she thinks now?
I mean hell, when I heard the WU story and Obama, I wanted to see if it was true. it really isn't.
She needs to stop using the tactics that are used by the people we despise.
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 16:59:53
Chris in Sacto's review of the Randi Rhodes cruise to Alaska. She really points out that Randi was not the most friendly person to be with.
livingonli on 02/25/2008 16:59:53
Quote by shelaghc:Quote by livingonli: I just wonder if Randi is going to treat the cruise patrons any better than when she was on the Alaska cruise.
Beg pardon? What's this about?
Gossip?
;)
Chris in Sacto's review of the Randi Rhodes cruise to Alaska. She really points out that Randi was not the most friendly person to be with.
Comment by starling310 on 02/25/2008 17:04:04
Ugh...my ex met her new chick on Match, so I am hoping it DOESN'T work. Is that wrong? Of course they talked for a month, before jumping into the full on relationship....so, yeah, that's not long enough. : she said, trying to make herself feel better :
starling310 on 02/25/2008 17:04:04
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
My boss met her current hubby on Match - they're adorable together. Think that Match shows some promise.
FWIW - Raine and I met each other online, not via an online dating site, but nonetheless: it's a great way to get to know someone first without all of the physical stuff distracting you.
Ugh...my ex met her new chick on Match, so I am hoping it DOESN'T work. Is that wrong? Of course they talked for a month, before jumping into the full on relationship....so, yeah, that's not long enough. : she said, trying to make herself feel better :
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 17:12:59
Raine on 02/25/2008 17:12:59
A report from last year about the new Hillary and Matt Drudge relationship.
Yesterday, it emerged that the caring went two ways. The New York Times reported that the Clinton campaign had grown adept at using the Drudge Report to leak news that could steal the thunder from rivals, or to solidify her position as the frontrunner for the Democratic party's presidential nomination for next year.
Earlier this month, Ms Clinton's staff leaked campaign fundraising data to the website just as her rival for the nomination, Barack Obama, was to deliver a policy speech on Iraq - and a crucial 20 minutes before the official release of the information. The story on Ms Clinton's fundraising prowess dominated the news cycle.
The New York Times reported that the Clinton campaign had opened a direct line of communication to Drudge through a former Democratic national committee official, Tracy Sefl. Ms Sefl refused to comment yesterday, but the revelation was widely seen as a sign of Drudge's importance in the US media, despite his reclusive nature and a history of getting some stories spectacularly wrong.
Yesterday, it emerged that the caring went two ways. The New York Times reported that the Clinton campaign had grown adept at using the Drudge Report to leak news that could steal the thunder from rivals, or to solidify her position as the frontrunner for the Democratic party's presidential nomination for next year.
Earlier this month, Ms Clinton's staff leaked campaign fundraising data to the website just as her rival for the nomination, Barack Obama, was to deliver a policy speech on Iraq - and a crucial 20 minutes before the official release of the information. The story on Ms Clinton's fundraising prowess dominated the news cycle.
The New York Times reported that the Clinton campaign had opened a direct line of communication to Drudge through a former Democratic national committee official, Tracy Sefl. Ms Sefl refused to comment yesterday, but the revelation was widely seen as a sign of Drudge's importance in the US media, despite his reclusive nature and a history of getting some stories spectacularly wrong.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 17:15:40
Raine on 02/25/2008 17:15:40
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 17:17:42
Raine on 02/25/2008 17:17:42
Bobr and I talked for 6-7 months before we met. it was a lot longer than that before I made the big move.
:hug:
:hug:
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 17:24:58
You guys first met at the '05 Washington protest, right?
livingonli on 02/25/2008 17:24:58
Quote by Raine: Bobr and I talked for 6-7 months before we met. it was a lot longer than that before I made the big move.
:hug:
You guys first met at the '05 Washington protest, right?
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 17:30:07
I know that's when I suspected something was up
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 17:30:07
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine: Bobr and I talked for 6-7 months before we met. it was a lot longer than that before I made the big move.
:hug:
You guys first met at the '05 Washington protest, right?
I know that's when I suspected something was up
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 17:50:09
If only I hadn't missed the group that time. But I did meet the gang in September '06 (OK I met Raine in NYC a few months earlier).
At least now I have a cell phone. I finally broke down sometime back.
livingonli on 02/25/2008 17:50:09
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine: Bobr and I talked for 6-7 months before we met. it was a lot longer than that before I made the big move.
:hug:
You guys first met at the '05 Washington protest, right?
I know that's when I suspected something was up
If only I hadn't missed the group that time. But I did meet the gang in September '06 (OK I met Raine in NYC a few months earlier).
At least now I have a cell phone. I finally broke down sometime back.
Comment by shelaghc on 02/25/2008 18:03:12
shelaghc on 02/25/2008 18:03:12
Random switch of subject matter (the blog's sorta quiet now anyway) to Sicko, which, unfortunately, lost yesterday as best documentary. Mind you, I wasn't disappointed about the winner. Frankly, I would have been happy if any or all of the documentaries had won. The subject matters for the whole category were compelling.
But about Sicko - I'm beginning to think Michael Moore needs to produce under a pseudonym for a few years or a decade. I was at a non-political gathering over the weekend and the conversation drifted to politics. A few of those present were Obama supporters and somehow the subject of Sicko wandered in.
One woman started bitching that the problems of people eating fast food were their own and not one for the government. (Uh..... "Supersize Me" much?....)
The one man in the group pushed that people had to take responsibility for themselves (he wasn't an Obama guy, btw). I hesistated to bring up that those who were unemployed couldn't very well afford to pay for insurance and what on earth did that have to do with responsiblity for themselves? The gathering was really more social and I'd never met any of those there before.
When I mentioned that some insurance companies let people die rather than allow live-saving procedures, the woman who had been bitching about fast food basically denounced the whole idea and complained that Michael Moore's movies were totally one-sided. The other Obama supporter agreed with this assessment.
The statement that the "other side" is all over the main-stream media and I feel that MM's movies do a lot towards balancing that was on the tip of my tongue, but, again, I held back because I wasn't comfortable challenging things with a group of strangers. btw, they all knew each other - I was the newcomer.
My only statement about the issue towards the end was that they were all judging the film without seeing it. That was the equivalent of a reviewer writing a lengthy review about a film he/she hadn't seen because they didn't like the director. You can't judge what you haven't seen. One person acknowledged my point (but I don't remember which).
I let the whole matter slide. But it concerns me that MM's movies are automatically condemned as being biased.
What might happen, I wonder, if he created a shadow company, produced a documentary under a different name without even narrating, gave it a somewhat different *feel* and released it that way.
There shouldn't be much notice paid to a documentary with a similar style since MM has been so influential over the past few years. Is it possible taking his name off until after the reviews etc were in might help in some way?
Just a thought.
But about Sicko - I'm beginning to think Michael Moore needs to produce under a pseudonym for a few years or a decade. I was at a non-political gathering over the weekend and the conversation drifted to politics. A few of those present were Obama supporters and somehow the subject of Sicko wandered in.
One woman started bitching that the problems of people eating fast food were their own and not one for the government. (Uh..... "Supersize Me" much?....)
The one man in the group pushed that people had to take responsibility for themselves (he wasn't an Obama guy, btw). I hesistated to bring up that those who were unemployed couldn't very well afford to pay for insurance and what on earth did that have to do with responsiblity for themselves? The gathering was really more social and I'd never met any of those there before.
When I mentioned that some insurance companies let people die rather than allow live-saving procedures, the woman who had been bitching about fast food basically denounced the whole idea and complained that Michael Moore's movies were totally one-sided. The other Obama supporter agreed with this assessment.
The statement that the "other side" is all over the main-stream media and I feel that MM's movies do a lot towards balancing that was on the tip of my tongue, but, again, I held back because I wasn't comfortable challenging things with a group of strangers. btw, they all knew each other - I was the newcomer.
My only statement about the issue towards the end was that they were all judging the film without seeing it. That was the equivalent of a reviewer writing a lengthy review about a film he/she hadn't seen because they didn't like the director. You can't judge what you haven't seen. One person acknowledged my point (but I don't remember which).
I let the whole matter slide. But it concerns me that MM's movies are automatically condemned as being biased.
What might happen, I wonder, if he created a shadow company, produced a documentary under a different name without even narrating, gave it a somewhat different *feel* and released it that way.
There shouldn't be much notice paid to a documentary with a similar style since MM has been so influential over the past few years. Is it possible taking his name off until after the reviews etc were in might help in some way?
Just a thought.
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 18:05:40
livingonli on 02/25/2008 18:05:40
According to the numbers, this year's Oscars was the least watched Oscars ever.
Comment by TriSec on 02/25/2008 18:38:44
TriSec on 02/25/2008 18:38:44
Boo!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 18:50:22
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 18:50:22
EEK! 
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 19:13:05
livingonli on 02/25/2008 19:13:05
Mala, I hope you're not easily scared.
Then again, WWRL my progressive talk station just ran an ad for Fox News. 
That's what you get when you run Alan Colmes.
Then again, WWRL my progressive talk station just ran an ad for Fox News.
That's what you get when you run Alan Colmes.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 19:17:56
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 19:17:56
depends on the situation :p
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 19:36:54
livingonli on 02/25/2008 19:36:54
And Karl Rove will be on Alan Colmes' show this week? Will Alan be able to call Karl a liar and a crook or will we have to deferential to fellow Fixed Noise employee?
I'm glad I listen to Mike Malloy at that time.
I'm glad I listen to Mike Malloy at that time.
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 20:00:18
livingonli on 02/25/2008 20:00:18
Time to go march off to the salt mine. 
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 20:11:54
Raine on 02/25/2008 20:11:54
Sammy!!! :D
Comment by starling310 on 02/25/2008 20:23:09
starling310 on 02/25/2008 20:23:09
Yay SammyCam....with Lauren...so cute. :wub2:
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 20:27:06
Raine on 02/25/2008 20:27:06
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 20:31:14
Raine on 02/25/2008 20:31:14
From the Hill... The story talks about the Other Groups involved in this new endeavor by the Edwards. What is VERY interesting to me is that MoveOn.org and the SEIU, who have endorsed Barack Obama are part of this new initiative...
Comment by TriSec on 02/25/2008 20:38:26
TriSec on 02/25/2008 20:38:26
Ya know, the only thing worse than 4:00 Friday meetings are 4:30 Monday meetings...
:kickcan:
:kickcan:
Comment by m-hadley on 02/25/2008 20:38:59
Shelagh,
I think that you are on to something here. I've always appreciated Michael Moore's films (from Roger & Me through Farenheit 911 to Sicko), but I've encountered that knee jerk (with the emphasis on JERK) reaction from many people before. I think that just changing his nomdeplume for at least his next few projects might widen his audience, and I do think that this would be a better, more informed country, if people could get past their initial bias and expand their horizons/views/thoughts.
Nice comment :D
m-hadley on 02/25/2008 20:38:59
Quote by shelaghc: Random switch of subject matter (the blog's sorta quiet now anyway) to Sicko, which, unfortunately, lost yesterday as best documentary. Mind you, I wasn't disappointed about the winner. Frankly, I would have been happy if any or all of the documentaries had won. The subject matters for the whole category were compelling.
But about Sicko - I'm beginning to think Michael Moore needs to produce under a pseudonym for a few years or a decade. I was at a non-political gathering over the weekend and the conversation drifted to politics. A few of those present were Obama supporters and somehow the subject of Sicko wandered in.
One woman started bitching that the problems of people eating fast food were their own and not one for the government. (Uh..... "Supersize Me" much?....)
The one man in the group pushed that people had to take responsibility for themselves (he wasn't an Obama guy, btw). I hesistated to bring up that those who were unemployed couldn't very well afford to pay for insurance and what on earth did that have to do with responsiblity for themselves? The gathering was really more social and I'd never met any of those there before.
When I mentioned that some insurance companies let people die rather than allow live-saving procedures, the woman who had been bitching about fast food basically denounced the whole idea and complained that Michael Moore's movies were totally one-sided. The other Obama supporter agreed with this assessment.
The statement that the "other side" is all over the main-stream media and I feel that MM's movies do a lot towards balancing that was on the tip of my tongue, but, again, I held back because I wasn't comfortable challenging things with a group of strangers. btw, they all knew each other - I was the newcomer.
My only statement about the issue towards the end was that they were all judging the film without seeing it. That was the equivalent of a reviewer writing a lengthy review about a film he/she hadn't seen because they didn't like the director. You can't judge what you haven't seen. One person acknowledged my point (but I don't remember which).
I let the whole matter slide. But it concerns me that MM's movies are automatically condemned as being biased.
What might happen, I wonder, if he created a shadow company, produced a documentary under a different name without even narrating, gave it a somewhat different *feel* and released it that way.
There shouldn't be much notice paid to a documentary with a similar style since MM has been so influential over the past few years. Is it possible taking his name off until after the reviews etc were in might help in some way?
Just a thought.
Shelagh,
I think that you are on to something here. I've always appreciated Michael Moore's films (from Roger & Me through Farenheit 911 to Sicko), but I've encountered that knee jerk (with the emphasis on JERK) reaction from many people before. I think that just changing his nomdeplume for at least his next few projects might widen his audience, and I do think that this would be a better, more informed country, if people could get past their initial bias and expand their horizons/views/thoughts.
Nice comment :D
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 20:44:17
Raine on 02/25/2008 20:44:17
Why doesn't Bush show the proper patriotism???
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 20:49:27
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 20:49:27
Well, either he had a tummy ache or his stomach ate his heart.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 20:55:28
Raine on 02/25/2008 20:55:28
Funny, with all this talk about Obama and the Lapel pin....
This was in todays paper. From Boston.com....
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 21:04:59
Raine on 02/25/2008 21:04:59
Sammy talking about NEdra Pickler and that AP article. Her source? A GOP strategist who created a 527 entitled: C.U.N.T. ====> Talking Points memo has the information.
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 21:24:19
It's probably because he doesn't have a heart. And a hand on the groin would be too obvious.
livingonli on 02/25/2008 21:24:19
Quote by wickedpam: Well, either he had a tummy ache or his stomach ate his heart.
It's probably because he doesn't have a heart. And a hand on the groin would be too obvious.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/25/2008 21:29:44
:spit:
wickedpam on 02/25/2008 21:29:44
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam: Well, either he had a tummy ache or his stomach ate his heart.
It's probably because he doesn't have a heart. And a hand on the groin would be too obvious.
:spit:
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 21:42:53
Those GOP vermin are classy with a K. I may not be a fan of Shillary but I wouldn't be spreading this shit.
livingonli on 02/25/2008 21:42:53
Quote by Raine: Sammy talking about NEdra Pickler and that AP article. Her source? A GOP strategist who created a 527 entitled: C.U.N.T. ====> Talking Points memo has the information.
Those GOP vermin are classy with a K. I may not be a fan of Shillary but I wouldn't be spreading this shit.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 21:59:55
Well at this point, any story put out by the AP, authored by Nedra Pickler will just reek of shilling for me. you all may not know this, but I am geeky enough to know a few of my favourite AP reporters. Pete Yost actually is one of them that I can recall off the top of my head. The rest I see the name and usually can rely on good reporting. I guess now I need to start paying attention to the reporters who I don't like, and why.
Raine on 02/25/2008 21:59:55
Quote by livingonli:Those GOP vermin are classy with a K. I may not be a fan of Shillary but I wouldn't be spreading this shit.Quote by Raine: Sammy talking about NEdra Pickler and that AP article. Her source? A GOP strategist who created a 527 entitled: C.U.N.T. ====> Talking Points memo has the information.
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 22:07:13
livingonli on 02/25/2008 22:07:13
Just like we know there are certain New York Times reporters you can't trust like former reporter Judith *hack* Miller.
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 22:21:33
livingonli on 02/25/2008 22:21:33
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 22:28:17
livingonli on 02/25/2008 22:28:17
According to DCRTV, Norah O'Donnell is pregnant again. She gave birth to twins just last May.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 22:36:21
Well isn't Nora quite the Fertile Myrtle!!!
Irish Twins to boot!
Raine on 02/25/2008 22:36:21
Quote by livingonli: According to DCRTV, Norah O'Donnell is pregnant again. She gave birth to twins just last May.
Comment by Raine on 02/25/2008 22:38:34
Raine on 02/25/2008 22:38:34
VERRRY interesting... May I snarf this for the board??
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 22:47:52
Sure. Be my guest.
livingonli on 02/25/2008 22:47:52
Quote by Raine:
VERRRY interesting... May I snarf this for the board??
Sure. Be my guest.
Comment by livingonli on 02/25/2008 23:16:49
livingonli on 02/25/2008 23:16:49
So, who's filling in for Rachel this week?
Comment by Raine on 02/26/2008 00:57:24
Raine on 02/26/2008 00:57:24
Rach is filling in for Rach , it seems.
Comment by Raine on 02/26/2008 01:00:51
Raine on 02/26/2008 01:00:51
HEY! Our 4F Blog got 13 *diggs* today. you think we can break the record?
Comment by Raine on 02/26/2008 01:08:00
Raine on 02/26/2008 01:08:00
Is this really Roseanne on AAR?
Comment by Raine on 02/26/2008 01:22:26
Raine on 02/26/2008 01:22:26
Actually, I hear... it is.
VERY cool.
Comment by TriSec on 02/26/2008 01:53:09
TriSec on 02/26/2008 01:53:09
Evening, comrades! : chews cookie :
Comment by livingonli on 02/26/2008 02:38:03
livingonli on 02/26/2008 02:38:03
I want a cookie.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 02/26/2008 03:19:18
Mondobubba on 02/26/2008 03:19:18
Howdy!
Comment by starling310 on 02/26/2008 03:23:25
starling310 on 02/26/2008 03:23:25
MONDO! I was JUST thinking of you. . . I was at my local Blockbuster trying to rent The Wire, but Season1 was no en casa.
Uuh...Raine ? What's a Digg? ( that felt like such a "mom" question )
Uuh...Raine
? What's a Digg? ( that felt like such a "mom" question )
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/26/2008 03:24:52
Awwww
: draps gold lame James Brown cape over Star's trembling Wireless sholders:
Mondobubba on 02/26/2008 03:24:52
Quote by starling310: MONDO! I was JUST thinking of you. . . I was at my local Blockbuster trying to rent The Wire, but Season1 was no en casa.
Uuh...Raine
Awwww
: draps gold lame James Brown cape over Star's trembling Wireless sholders:
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/26/2008 03:30:54
Mondobubba on 02/26/2008 03:30:54
Awwww poor McNulty :kick: He is pouting and not drinking any Jamie with Lester.
Comment by starling310 on 02/26/2008 03:37:20
I feel good! Wooh!
starling310 on 02/26/2008 03:37:20
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by starling310: MONDO! I was JUST thinking of you. . . I was at my local Blockbuster trying to rent The Wire, but Season1 was no en casa.
Uuh...Raine
Awwww
I feel good! Wooh!
Comment by livingonli on 02/26/2008 03:37:54
livingonli on 02/26/2008 03:37:54
Hi Mondo. How's the salt mine been treating you?
Comment by starling310 on 02/26/2008 03:42:46
starling310 on 02/26/2008 03:42:46
G'nite Blog.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/26/2008 03:47:39
Night :star:
Mondobubba on 02/26/2008 03:47:39
Quote by starling310:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by starling310: MONDO! I was JUST thinking of you. . . I was at my local Blockbuster trying to rent The Wire, but Season1 was no en casa.
Uuh...Raine
Awwww
I feel good! Wooh!
Night :star:
Comment by livingonli on 02/26/2008 03:48:13
livingonli on 02/26/2008 03:48:13
Have a good nite, 
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/26/2008 03:48:37
Salty.
Mondobubba on 02/26/2008 03:48:37
Quote by livingonli: Hi Mondo. How's the salt mine been treating you?
Salty.
Comment by livingonli on 02/26/2008 03:58:05
livingonli on 02/26/2008 03:58:05
No one can escape from that salt.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/26/2008 04:06:51
Mondobubba on 02/26/2008 04:06:51
The last episode of The Wire better be more than an hour F8cker!
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/26/2008 04:15:37
Mondobubba on 02/26/2008 04:15:37
Ohhh MODIFIED RAPTURE! ANN MURRAY IS COMING TO JACKSONVILLE
:swoon:
:swoon:
Comment by livingonli on 02/26/2008 04:27:18
livingonli on 02/26/2008 04:27:18
Someone's having a good evening.