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Author: Raine    Date: 11/07/2011 15:42:45

While many people on are rightfully concerned with the idea that we now have corporate personhood in the United States, there is a movement around the country to give personhood rights in a very strange place: Wombs.

Mississippi is one of a handful of states that appears to be taking a huge step backwards when it comes to Women and reproductive rights. There is a particular disturbing organization, Personhood USA, that is pushing personhood.
ThinkProgress has been reporting on the disturbing campaign by radical anti-abortion groups to pass “personhood” amendments to state constitutions that would define life as beginning the moment an egg is fertilized. These laws would not only criminalize abortion, but outlaw common forms of contraception as well.
In reading a little more about this, Think Progress has reported the following, via an interview on the Diane Rhem show that it's a lot more radical than that:
HOYE: Any birth control that ends the life of a human being will be impacted by this measure.

REHM: So that would then include the IUD [intra-uterine device]. What about the birth control pill?

HOYE: If that falls into the same category, yes.

REHM: So you’re saying that the birth control pill could be considered as taking the life of a human being?

HOYE: I’m saying that once the egg and the oocyte come together and you have that single-celled embryo, at that point you have human life, you’ve got a human being and we’re taking the life of a human being with some forms of birth control and if birth control falls into that category, yes I am.
This ballot initiative is so radical that even Mississippi Catholic Bishops refuse to endorse it.
The National Right to Life organization has refused to promote it. Even the Catholic Bishops have refused to endorse the amendment, noting that the bill is so extreme, it could jeopardize their more serious efforts to overturn Roe v. Wade:

In the letter [Jackson Bishop Joseph Latino] called Personhood Mississippi “a noble initiative.” However, he said, “I join with Catholic bishops in several other states in not endorsing personhood petitions to be circulated in our Catholic parishes. We have committed ourselves to working for a federal amendment and feel the push for a state amendment could ultimately harm our efforts to overturn Roe v. Wade.”
It is no surprise that the National Right to Life group and the Catholic Church want to overturn Roe V. Wade. What I find amazing is why they are not endorsing this initiative: I suspect the Catholic Church and National Right to Life organization has a kinder gentler way to take away women's' rights (do I need to add a sarcasm tag?). I know that our own TriSec has written often of the issues with the Catholic Church and reproductive rights -- so please know, this is not just about women -- it is about the right to plan a family in a personal way. Religion is a personal choice in my opinion -- states sanctioning laws based upon a person's or group's religion is - in my opinion - not constitutional, and sadly we are here - again.

Let's return to Personhood USA and Mississippi's Initiative 26 again. Last June, they sponsored a tour to promote this idea, and to get people to vote for it in the state. Do you know what they called their promotional tour?

Mississippi Personhood Amendment 26 Kicks Off 'Conceived in Rape' Tour Today
Yes. You read that right.
Rebeccca Kiessling has long been an advocate for the personhood rights for every human being, no matter the circumstances of their conception or birth. Rebecca will be answering the “tough” questions on abortion, specifically discussing children conceived in rape, as she was. Conceived in rape and targeted for abortion, Rebecca will explain why Mississippi voters should vote “Yes” on Amendment 26, and what the abortion “exceptions” proposed by many really mean. “I know that most people don’t put a face to this issue. For them, it’s just a concept — a quick cliche, and they sweep it under the rug and forget about it,” Rebecca explains on her website, rebeccakiessling.com. “I do hope that, as a child of rape, I can help to put a face, a voice, and a story to this issue.” Rebecca passionately defends the rights of preborn babies, and was recently quoted at a Personhood hearing as saying, “If you really care about a rape victim, you would want to protect her from the abortion, and not the baby. A baby is not the worst thing that could ever happen to a rape victim – an abortion is.
And here is a little more:

The Primary Mission of Personhood USA is to serve Jesus by being an Advocate for those who can not speak for themselves, the pre-born child. We serve by starting/coordinating efforts to establish legal "personhood" for pre-born children through peaceful activism, legislative efforts and ballot-access petition initiatives.


The war on women's rights is taking an even more disturbing turn. It is now a war on men and the rights they have to reproduce. It's a war on women who have been the victims of rape. This is an all out attack on every person in the United States being done - literally - in the name of Jesus. If you don't consider yourself a feminist simply because you are male, or because it doesn't really effect you, I strongly urge you to reconsider. There are groups out there that are going after far more than vaginas -- they are coming after your sperm too -- regardless of its usefulness to reproduce. Basically, in Mississippi, if this initiative passes, not only would abortion be outlawed, miscarriages would be considered abortion and it will illegal to end pregnancies that never existed. The idea of personhood flies in the face of what true pregnancy means, From NPR:
"The medical community has really been quite clear about when pregnancy begins," says Dan Grossman, an obstetrician/gynecologist at the University of California, San Francisco, "and that definition is that pregnancy begins once implantation occurs."

That would be the implantation of the fertilized egg into the woman's uterus. One reason doctors don't consider a woman pregnant until after implantation is a practical one — that's when pregnancy can be detected by hormone changes in her urine.

But there's another reason, Grossman says. "It's really only about half of those fertilized eggs [that] actually result in an ongoing pregnancy."

The rest of the fertilized eggs either never begin dividing or never implant. Or they do implant but spontaneously abort. That can happen so early in pregnancy that the woman never even knows she was pregnant.
Translation: fertilization does not a pregnancy make. Personhood USA wants a fertilized egg to be classified as a person. In doing so, it appears that a woman could legally lose rights to her own body. What happens to a woman with an ectopic pregnancy? What happens to a woman that has a fetus die inside her? You will recall, a D&C is still considered an abortion.

When you wonder why women fight so hard to keep the rights they have and work for equality... when you wonder why we want more people to stand with us, keep this in mind: Women's rights matter for everyone. We still don't have an Equal Rights Amendment... and there are people out there trying to make sure that a fertilized egg - a zygote (which is not an embryo) - has more rights than I do over my own body -- all in the name of their god.

I respect a person's choice of their faith; what I don't respect is when that faith is used to disrespect and/or control people. What I despise is when religion is used to trump serious medical issues. Family planning, Women's rights -- including the right to choose -- are all part of that. That is more than an opinion -- it is a medical fact. Personhood for a fertilized egg is dangerous to civil liberties as well the health of all women and all Americans.

Think it can't happen you you? Don't sit back and assume it won't -- it is happening to you.

I have been warning people about this for a long time. I wrote this last year.

and
Raine
 

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Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 13:54:08
Morning

not a whole lot really - only 1 Dem running in my district for state senate and the one guy who needs to go is running uncontested!

Other then that I've put up the BLogger Joe post for this year. Let me know if dates, times, ideas need to be tweaked

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 14:09:00
I am absolutely disgusted at what is going on down in Mississippi.

Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2011 14:18:01
We're all quiet on the local front...no statewide offices being contested this cycle, and the Mayor and much of City Council is running unopposed. There are some ballot questions, but I don't think there's anything substantial.

Of course, anyone associated with New York or its environs does completely suck today.

Comment by BobR on 11/07/2011 14:41:37
State Senate elections here. Our local Dem looks to be a shoo-in..

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 14:58:02
Sorry for any blog confusion this morning!

Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2011 14:59:19
Mornin' all & Happy Mondee!

Was cleaning my room this weekend and I found my missing big coffee mug!

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2011 15:03:54
Quote by Raine:
I am absolutely disgusted at what is going on down in Mississippi.



It is the most rediculous, anti-woman, anti-science, POS! Grrrrrr! The MS GOP really hates kids, but loves fetuses and embroies.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 15:05:26
Does anyone know anything about Black Widows? I've never run into any until this year and they seem to be all over the place!

Comment by velveeta jones on 11/07/2011 15:15:38
Morning all! I'm sick. :(
(In the icky way, not the "she is sick" way)

Mala, I've seen lots of Black widows this year. Found a rather large family of them under a rock right next to my front steps, later found a large MAMA of one in my car!! (We don't talk about that, so that my family will still ride in the car).
If one should bite you, put ice on it to draw out the venom as well as tie a tourniquet, if the bite is on the arm or leg, to slow the spread of venom.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2011 15:16:13
No elections going on here in The Sunshine State. Occupy Jax is Occupying Hemming Plaza downtown on a round the clock basis. I'm sure Sheriff Rutherford is itching to use as much violence as he can to move them.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 15:21:17
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all! I'm sick. :(
(In the icky way, not the "she is sick" way)

Mala, I've seen lots of Black widows this year. Found a rather large family of them under a rock right next to my front steps, later found a large MAMA of one in my car!! (We don't talk about that, so that my family will still ride in the car).
If one should bite you, put ice on it to draw out the venom as well as tie a tourniquet, if the bite is on the arm or leg, to slow the spread of venom.



I can understand not wanted to spread the car news around - I wouldn't ride in mine either if I found one. It just seems odd that we suddenly seeing so many. Its freaking me out!

I've heard that the bite is really painful and you have to get to the emergency room asap. Good thing I live less then a mile from the hospital I guess

Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2011 15:25:01
Oh right.. nothing goin' on here as far as elections goes. IIRC Connecticut has municipal elections (mayor & city council type stuff) in the off-years.

RI does have big news on the political front tho. The Speaker of the State House has called a closed session of the Democratic caucus (which is the entire GA minus 10 Repubs) to go over the changes to the state's pension system proposed by the Governor & Treasurer. From what I've heard it would basically allow the state to get out of its overdue obligations to contribute to the fund and would add risk to future pensions by rolling them into a 401k.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2011 15:46:27
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all! I'm sick. :(
(In the icky way, not the "she is sick" way)

Mala, I've seen lots of Black widows this year. Found a rather large family of them under a rock right next to my front steps, later found a large MAMA of one in my car!! (We don't talk about that, so that my family will still ride in the car).
If one should bite you, put ice on it to draw out the venom as well as tie a tourniquet, if the bite is on the arm or leg, to slow the spread of venom.



I can understand not wanted to spread the car news around - I wouldn't ride in mine either if I found one. It just seems odd that we suddenly seeing so many. Its freaking me out!

I've heard that the bite is really painful and you have to get to the emergency room asap. Good thing I live less then a mile from the hospital I guess


I went over to the Wikipedia and there are
31 different speicies of widow spiders! The article doesn't mention anything about the bites from them. Worst.Wikipedia.Entry.Ever!

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 15:53:02
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all! I'm sick. :(
(In the icky way, not the "she is sick" way)

Mala, I've seen lots of Black widows this year. Found a rather large family of them under a rock right next to my front steps, later found a large MAMA of one in my car!! (We don't talk about that, so that my family will still ride in the car).
If one should bite you, put ice on it to draw out the venom as well as tie a tourniquet, if the bite is on the arm or leg, to slow the spread of venom.



I can understand not wanted to spread the car news around - I wouldn't ride in mine either if I found one. It just seems odd that we suddenly seeing so many. Its freaking me out!

I've heard that the bite is really painful and you have to get to the emergency room asap. Good thing I live less then a mile from the hospital I guess


I went over to the Wikipedia and there are
31 different speicies of widow spiders! The article doesn't mention anything about the bites from them. Worst.Wikipedia.Entry.Ever!



VA Coop Ext has tons of info about them and health risks. It just seems odd that I've seen so many. I just killed a huge one in the shed yesterday! I've never had spiders in there before, just crickets

Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/07/2011 15:55:56
I am doing well here, busy with subbing and a lot of other stuff. Close to home, my grand niece Emily Rose is at a children's hospital for tests prior to surgery to connect her esophagus to her stomach. (During Emily's first year of life, she has been using a feeding tube as her esophagus was initially connected to her lungs.) Please keep her in your thoughts and prayers.

There are some local elections in Northwest Indiana, but nothing major. We also had a local marine die: Marine from Elmwood Park killed in Afghanistan.

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 16:00:22
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
I am absolutely disgusted at what is going on down in Mississippi.



It is the most rediculous, anti-woman, anti-science, POS! Grrrrrr! The MS GOP really hates kids, but loves fetuses and embroies.
And I wrote my blog about it this morning.

Blog is up. Sorry for the delay.

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 16:00:47
New Blog is up.

Please take a read, will you?


Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 16:14:36
oh lord - rw caller

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 16:14:42
Testing...

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 16:17:29
Is anyone else having a problem posting?

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 16:19:18
posting anything in particular?

Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2011 16:21:39
It was making me absolutely sick how Haley Barbour kept avoiding an outright disapproval of that referendum on the Sunday shows. OH IT GOES TOO FAR BUT I WON'T SAY DON'T VOTE FOR IT. What a scumbag.. it's a great thing for that state that he's term-limited and can't run today for a third term.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2011 16:21:58
Seems to be working for me.. hmmm....

Comment by velveeta jones on 11/07/2011 16:29:57
Hey, if those Mississipeons want to make my potential eggs people, can they vote? I mean....... come on! Think of all the extra voting we women would get! 'Course, then the guys would want to jump on board with all their billions of sperm. Bastards.

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 16:30:10
Quote by wickedpam:
posting anything in particular?

Posting in the Blog comments.

Will was having some issues, and I wanted to see if anyone else had a problem.

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 16:32:01
Quote by velveeta jones:
Hey, if those Mississipeons want to make my potential eggs people, can they vote? I mean....... come on! Think of all the extra voting we women would get! 'Course, then the guys would want to jump on board with all their billions of sperm. Bastards.



Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 16:33:18
Quote by Raine:
Quote by velveeta jones:
Hey, if those Mississipeons want to make my potential eggs people, can they vote? I mean....... come on! Think of all the extra voting we women would get! 'Course, then the guys would want to jump on board with all their billions of sperm. Bastards.






Comment by livingonli on 11/07/2011 16:36:55
Good morning everyone. Suddenly feel the urge to play "Every Sperm is Sacred" from Monty Python's Meaning of Life.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/07/2011 16:37:21
It is fine now.

Some bad news, No luck on the maternity leave position. I will try to swing by later.

Comment by livingonli on 11/07/2011 16:38:13
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by velveeta jones:
Hey, if those Mississipeons want to make my potential eggs people, can they vote? I mean....... come on! Think of all the extra voting we women would get! 'Course, then the guys would want to jump on board with all their billions of sperm. Bastards.







Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 16:38:42
Quote by Will in Chicago:
It is fine now.

Some bad news, No luck on the maternity leave position. I will try to swing by later.



Damn that sux Will


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2011 16:39:04
Quote by velveeta jones:
Hey, if those Mississipeons want to make my potential eggs people, can they vote? I mean....... come on! Think of all the extra voting we women would get! 'Course, then the guys would want to jump on board with all their billions of sperm. Bastards.



We're guys were like that.

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 16:40:19
Quote by Scoopster:
It was making me absolutely sick how Haley Barbour kept avoiding an outright disapproval of that referendum on the Sunday shows. OH IT GOES TOO FAR BUT I WON'T SAY DON'T VOTE FOR IT. What a scumbag.. it's a great thing for that state that he's term-limited and can't run today for a third term.


POS.

What slays me is that people like Barbour are letting this become a partisan issue when it really should not be.


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2011 16:47:22
Quote by Raine:
New Blog is up.

Please take a read, will you?



An excellent blog it is!

Most fertilezed zygotes don't even attach to uterine wall. The get flushed out a woman's body. These people have no respect for women or science

Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2011 16:49:02
Morning, comrades!

TriSec has some hope-y, change-y news to report...I have significant interviews book-ending this upcoming weekend (Friday & Monday).

Both are with top-ten ranked healthcare payors, both locally based. One I have been trying to get into for over ten years; it's a victory to me to even get a phone call from them, never mind an actual interview.

The other I've had a love/hate relationship with since about 1999....but it would all be love if the desired outcome occurs.

Stay tuned!



Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 16:49:27
From Roland Martin: Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter And Bozell Are Embarrassing Black Conservatives (VIDEO)


Very good commentary (full transcript at the link)

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 16:54:28
Quote by Mondobubba:

An excellent blog it is!

Most fertilezed zygotes don't even attach to uterine wall. The get flushed out a woman's body. These people have no respect for women or science
Exactly, that was why I was trying to impress upon people that they are screwing with medical facts.

It's really infuriating. A zygote is not an embryo. This goes so far beyond the discussion of abortion it's not even funny. With regard to what is happening it should raise eyebrows for people who consider themselves 'pro-life' ... It takes away the choice for those that want to raise a family and have children.


Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 17:02:11
Raine & Bob - have you guys noticed the latest lawn signs? Spotted them over the weekend and on the way to work this morning - "Don't Get Mad Vote Republican"

Comment by livingonli on 11/07/2011 17:04:45
Quote by wickedpam:
Raine & Bob - have you guys noticed the latest lawn signs? Spotted them over the weekend and on the way to work this morning - "Don't Get Mad Vote Republican"

Yeah, because that worked so well before.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 17:06:43
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by wickedpam:
Raine & Bob - have you guys noticed the latest lawn signs? Spotted them over the weekend and on the way to work this morning - "Don't Get Mad Vote Republican"

Yeah, because that worked so well before.



I'm guessing they are directed at the state senate races since the Dems blocked a bunch of stuff from our idiot gov

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 17:17:11
Quote by wickedpam:
Raine & Bob - have you guys noticed the latest lawn signs? Spotted them over the weekend and on the way to work this morning - "Don't Get Mad Vote Republican"

In our area, no -- haven't seen those. It's kinda peculiar tho -- hasn't the GOP/Tea Party spent the past few years making sure people are mad?

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 17:18:50
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by wickedpam:
Raine & Bob - have you guys noticed the latest lawn signs? Spotted them over the weekend and on the way to work this morning - "Don't Get Mad Vote Republican"

Yeah, because that worked so well before.



I'm guessing they are directed at the state senate races since the Dems blocked a bunch of stuff from our idiot gov




I think you might be correct. I am VERY concerned that the VA Senate is going to be taken over with a GOP majority.



Comment by livingonli on 11/07/2011 17:22:54
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by wickedpam:
Raine & Bob - have you guys noticed the latest lawn signs? Spotted them over the weekend and on the way to work this morning - "Don't Get Mad Vote Republican"

Yeah, because that worked so well before.



I'm guessing they are directed at the state senate races since the Dems blocked a bunch of stuff from our idiot gov




I think you might be correct. I am VERY concerned that the VA Senate is going to be taken over with a GOP majority.


Sounds like there are a lot of idiots on the other side of the state for these asshats. Eric Cantor alone should give them thought of who they put in office.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2011 17:23:33
I LOVE THIS!!!

http://images.dailykos.com/i/user/191280/workcalendars2.png


Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 17:25:57
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Raine & Bob - have you guys noticed the latest lawn signs? Spotted them over the weekend and on the way to work this morning - "Don't Get Mad Vote Republican"

In our area, no -- haven't seen those. It's kinda peculiar tho -- hasn't the GOP/Tea Party spent the past few years making sure people are mad?



The closest ones in were in Kingstown the ones farther out were in Chantilly but I suspect they are all over. They totally have spent the whole time pissing people off in any manner they can

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 17:27:10
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by wickedpam:
Raine & Bob - have you guys noticed the latest lawn signs? Spotted them over the weekend and on the way to work this morning - "Don't Get Mad Vote Republican"

Yeah, because that worked so well before.



I'm guessing they are directed at the state senate races since the Dems blocked a bunch of stuff from our idiot gov




I think you might be correct. I am VERY concerned that the VA Senate is going to be taken over with a GOP majority.



I'm a little concerned too - VA usually does something where one part isn't crazy in control of stuff but this time around might be the acception. Isn't McDonnell up in 2012?


Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 17:28:01
Quote by Scoopster:
I LOVE THIS!!!

http://images.dailykos.com/i/user/191280/workcalendars2.png

They are actually working less days than they did this session.

I love this too!

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 17:29:06
Quote by wickedpam:

I'm a little concerned too - VA usually does something where one part isn't crazy in control of stuff but this time around might be the acception. Isn't McDonnell up in 2012?
The Governor is only allowed one term here in Virginia?


Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 17:31:35
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:

I'm a little concerned too - VA usually does something where one part isn't crazy in control of stuff but this time around might be the acception. Isn't McDonnell up in 2012?
The Governor is only allowed one term here in Virginia?



yep- I take it back he's not gone till 2014 its a 4 year term and he was elected in 2010

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 17:33:20
we're stuck with Cuch until 2014 too

Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2011 17:41:18
Hmm.. Anonymous is calling for a peaceful protest & shutdown of the Iowa Caucuses

They're doing this separate from the Occupy movement tho, at least according to local chapters in Des Moines.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2011 18:20:52
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:

I'm a little concerned too - VA usually does something where one part isn't crazy in control of stuff but this time around might be the acception. Isn't McDonnell up in 2012?
The Governor is only allowed one term here in Virginia?


yep- I take it back he's not gone till 2014 its a 4 year term and he was elected in 2010


When did they change that from the odd year to the even year?


Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2011 18:51:15
Say gang, circling back to the blog topic…

Mrs. TriSec and I have actually been there. Before Javi, “the usual method” was not yielding the desired results, so we had some professional intervention. We wound up going with the GIFT process, and prodded Mrs. TriSec into producing more eggs than usual via chemical means. We never were able to produce a significant number of fertilized eggs, so after 4 cycles of failed implantation, we did indeed give up. There were about a half-dozen eggs left over, so the clinic asked us what we wanted to do. We were of the same mind; it didn’t help us, but if anyone else can benefit, go for it…so we donated them.

In Mississippi, that means we’re guilty of murder, right? But we also donated; would that be child abandonment under the new personhood statutes? And then we never stopped “practicing”…it’s unknown if anything ever happened and failed to implant in the intervening years. (Before Mrs. TriSec had the surgery and rendered the whole matter moot.)

Hopefully not TMI, but I believe our lengthy saga has been well-documented on these intertubes previously. As I have pointed out before, it’s the law of unintended consequences. The way a lot of anti-abortion legislation is worded, it’s also anti-birth control, and anti-advanced reproductive therapy, too. I’ll drag Bob & Raine into this mess too…you ain’t making any babies, you can’t be married in this country anymore!


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2011 18:59:11
Quote by TriSec:
Say gang, circling back to the blog topic…

Mrs. TriSec and I have actually been there. Before Javi, “the usual method” was not yielding the desired results, so we had some professional intervention. We wound up going with the GIFT process, and prodded Mrs. TriSec into producing more eggs than usual via chemical means. We never were able to produce a significant number of fertilized eggs, so after 4 cycles of failed implantation, we did indeed give up. There were about a half-dozen eggs left over, so the clinic asked us what we wanted to do. We were of the same mind; it didn’t help us, but if anyone else can benefit, go for it…so we donated them.

In Mississippi, that means we’re guilty of murder, right? But we also donated; would that be child abandonment under the new personhood statutes? And then we never stopped “practicing”…it’s unknown if anything ever happened and failed to implant in the intervening years. (Before Mrs. TriSec had the surgery and rendered the whole matter moot.)

Hopefully not TMI, but I believe our lengthy saga has been well-documented on these intertubes previously. As I have pointed out before, it’s the law of unintended consequences. The way a lot of anti-abortion legislation is worded, it’s also anti-birth control, and anti-advanced reproductive therapy, too. I’ll drag Bob & Raine into this mess too…you ain’t making any babies, you can’t be married in this country anymore!



That is an excellent point, Tri. Yeah if you go my a strict interpretation of the proposed law, you and the Missus are murdeous child abandoners.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2011 19:01:08
harkening back to the blog days of yore. What's playing; Union Maid, written by Woody Guthrie, performed by Pete Seeger.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 19:02:56
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:

I'm a little concerned too - VA usually does something where one part isn't crazy in control of stuff but this time around might be the acception. Isn't McDonnell up in 2012?
The Governor is only allowed one term here in Virginia?


yep- I take it back he's not gone till 2014 its a 4 year term and he was elected in 2010


When did they change that from the odd year to the even year?


I should say the election would be in 2013 but they would finish their terms in 2014, I"m guessing since I think they were sworn in in 2010

Comment by livingonli on 11/07/2011 19:03:30
The new Cain accuser's press conference is on CNN right now.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 19:14:09
Quote by livingonli:
The new Cain accuser's press conference is on CNN right now.



dang it! missed most of it and TMZ's video was too hercky jerky - anyone got details?

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 19:20:49
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by livingonli:
The new Cain accuser's press conference is on CNN right now.



dang it! missed most of it and TMZ's video was too hercky jerky - anyone got details?
I don;t think MSNBC covered it.

You got Deets, Liv?


Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 19:22:50
Quote by TriSec:
Say gang, circling back to the blog topic…

Mrs. TriSec and I have actually been there. Before Javi, “the usual method” was not yielding the desired results, so we had some professional intervention. We wound up going with the GIFT process, and prodded Mrs. TriSec into producing more eggs than usual via chemical means. We never were able to produce a significant number of fertilized eggs, so after 4 cycles of failed implantation, we did indeed give up. There were about a half-dozen eggs left over, so the clinic asked us what we wanted to do. We were of the same mind; it didn’t help us, but if anyone else can benefit, go for it…so we donated them.

In Mississippi, that means we’re guilty of murder, right? But we also donated; would that be child abandonment under the new personhood statutes? And then we never stopped “practicing”…it’s unknown if anything ever happened and failed to implant in the intervening years. (Before Mrs. TriSec had the surgery and rendered the whole matter moot.)

Hopefully not TMI, but I believe our lengthy saga has been well-documented on these intertubes previously. As I have pointed out before, it’s the law of unintended consequences. The way a lot of anti-abortion legislation is worded, it’s also anti-birth control, and anti-advanced reproductive therapy, too. I’ll drag Bob & Raine into this mess too…you ain’t making any babies, you can’t be married in this country anymore!
It's not like we don;t pretend to try...

But yes, this all goes to the very point of the problems with this legislation. They are vast.


Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 19:24:35
Ed playing the audio of the Allred presser -- this sounds VERY close to attempted Rape if you ask me.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 19:27:48
Quote by Raine:
Ed playing the audio of the Allred presser -- this sounds VERY close to attempted Rape if you ask me.



not listening to Ed - I'm sure Randi will have the audio. What's the overall on what happened?

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 19:36:16
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Ed playing the audio of the Allred presser -- this sounds VERY close to attempted Rape if you ask me.



not listening to Ed - I'm sure Randi will have the audio. What's the overall on what happened?
She was looking for help finding a job -- here is a NICE version.

Ms. Bialek said that Cain put his hands up her skirt and moved his face near 'area' before she told him to stop.

Going to the store -- I want to hear Randi today, very much.


Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2011 19:37:50
Well there goes the news cycle.. Verdict for Jacko's doctor just came in..

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 19:45:44
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Ed playing the audio of the Allred presser -- this sounds VERY close to attempted Rape if you ask me.



not listening to Ed - I'm sure Randi will have the audio. What's the overall on what happened?
She was looking for help finding a job -- here is a NICE version.

Ms. Bialek said that Cain put his hands up her skirt and moved his face near 'area' before she told him to stop.

Going to the store -- I want to hear Randi today, very much.



it does sound more like assault

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2011 19:52:25
oh dear I go away for an hour and you go all smutty and salacious with The Hermanator'd conduct. What a friggin' pig.


On a side note, who can, for a coveted blog bonus point, explain why the 1964 quarter I have in my pocket will not work in a modern, computer controlled vending mosheen?

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2011 19:52:54
Quote by Scoopster:
Well there goes the news cycle.. Verdict for Jacko's doctor just came in..



And???

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2011 19:53:44
Tri, you may not answer because I about 90% sure you know why.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 19:57:02
Quote by Mondobubba:
oh dear I go away for an hour and you go all smutty and salacious with The Hermanator'd conduct. What a friggin' pig.


On a side note, who can, for a coveted blog bonus point, explain why the 1964 quarter I have in my pocket will not work in a modern, computer controlled vending mosheen?



I'm guessing it has something to do with the dimesions and silver content

Comment by livingonli on 11/07/2011 19:58:34
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Scoopster:
Well there goes the news cycle.. Verdict for Jacko's doctor just came in..



And???

It won't be announced until 4 PM today. I will definitely have to listen to Randi since she's been going off on Cain the last few days. The scary part is the GOPigs will just circle the wagon and defend him. Everything John Dean said in "Conservatives Without Conscience" is true because these fuckers don't have any morality.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2011 20:09:11
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
oh dear I go away for an hour and you go all smutty and salacious with The Hermanator'd conduct. What a friggin' pig.


On a side note, who can, for a coveted blog bonus point, explain why the 1964 quarter I have in my pocket will not work in a modern, computer controlled vending mosheen?

I'm guessing it has something to do with the dimesions and silver content

Shit if that's a silver quarter you should make sure it doesn't end up in a vending machine! Thing's probably worth like 50-100 bucks at today's inflated commodity rates!

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 20:17:24
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
oh dear I go away for an hour and you go all smutty and salacious with The Hermanator'd conduct. What a friggin' pig.


On a side note, who can, for a coveted blog bonus point, explain why the 1964 quarter I have in my pocket will not work in a modern, computer controlled vending mosheen?

I'm guessing it has something to do with the dimesions and silver content

Shit if that's a silver quarter you should make sure it doesn't end up in a vending machine! Thing's probably worth like 50-100 bucks at today's inflated commodity rates!



Don't laugh but I did learn while watching Storage Wars that there are some older quarters from the 30-40's I think that are rather valuable.

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 20:17:24
Randi said it: it's assault.

He touched her head and tried to put it in his crotch.

You WONDER again why women don;'t want to come forward? It's people like Cain -- and flucking enablers like Rush Limbaugh.

I am DAMNED pissed right now.

Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2011 20:17:24
Hmm....might be worth trolling through my mountain of change at home for a certain year. I also have some Kennedy half-dollars kicking around. I *know* those have a high silver quotient.


Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 20:32:45
Okay, think they were silver eagle quarters and got something like 3-$10 per quarter

Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2011 20:44:53
The White House "confirms" that there is NO ALIEN LIFE!

Oh man the comments section on this one makes teh brain hurt..

Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2011 21:05:33
Mass Redistricting plan is out.

It's not too badly gerrymandered....seems fairly straightforward. We are losing a seat, unfortunately.

You'll note it's from our differently-winged friends at Red Mass Group....Blue Mass hasn't commented on it yet.



Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2011 21:30:24
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
oh dear I go away for an hour and you go all smutty and salacious with The Hermanator'd conduct. What a friggin' pig.


On a side note, who can, for a coveted blog bonus point, explain why the 1964 quarter I have in my pocket will not work in a modern, computer controlled vending mosheen?



I'm guessing it has something to do with the dimesions and silver content


Mala Wins! It is all silver and it weight slighty more or slightly less that a composite metal one.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2011 21:31:29
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
oh dear I go away for an hour and you go all smutty and salacious with The Hermanator'd conduct. What a friggin' pig.


On a side note, who can, for a coveted blog bonus point, explain why the 1964 quarter I have in my pocket will not work in a modern, computer controlled vending mosheen?

I'm guessing it has something to do with the dimesions and silver content

Shit if that's a silver quarter you should make sure it doesn't end up in a vending machine! Thing's probably worth like 50-100 bucks at today's inflated commodity rates!



Not, I already looked into it. 1964 not so much

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 21:33:06
Quote by Scoopster:
The White House "confirms" that there is NO ALIEN LIFE!

Oh man the comments section on this one makes teh brain hurt..

Sweet merciful crap, you people are worse than YouTube commenters.


Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 21:35:13
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
oh dear I go away for an hour and you go all smutty and salacious with The Hermanator'd conduct. What a friggin' pig.


On a side note, who can, for a coveted blog bonus point, explain why the 1964 quarter I have in my pocket will not work in a modern, computer controlled vending mosheen?



I'm guessing it has something to do with the dimesions and silver content


Mala Wins! It is all silver and it weight slighty more or slightly less that a composite metal one.



woohoo

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2011 21:38:09
ya know I really don't like how Randi disparages DC. There are people here who are very altruistic in their issues

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2011 22:12:11
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
oh dear I go away for an hour and you go all smutty and salacious with The Hermanator'd conduct. What a friggin' pig.


On a side note, who can, for a coveted blog bonus point, explain why the 1964 quarter I have in my pocket will not work in a modern, computer controlled vending mosheen?



I'm guessing it has something to do with the dimesions and silver content


Mala Wins! It is all silver and it weight slighty more or slightly less that a composite metal one.



woohoo



It also has the most pleasant precious metal ring when it strikes a hard surface.

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 22:26:28
Quote by wickedpam:
ya know I really don't like how Randi disparages DC. There are people here who are very altruistic in their issues
This is one thing that DOES irritate me.

She paints DC with a very broad brush. I notice it a LOT more from not just her -- now that we live here.

--


Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 22:27:50
(Can y'all tell I am setting down serious roots here, inside 'the beltway' )





Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 23:05:28
Can you imagine for a moment being in Gloria Cain's position tonite? FOUR women. 4

That isn't just a dalliance -- Cain is a serial harasser.

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2011 23:27:02
Am I the only person wondering how many times Herman Cain got away with his sexual harassment and how far it went?



Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2011 23:27:36
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
ya know I really don't like how Randi disparages DC. There are people here who are very altruistic in their issues
This is one thing that DOES irritate me.

She paints DC with a very broad brush. I notice it a LOT more from not just her -- now that we live here.

--



I've long maintaned there are two DCs. One is the official goverment one, the other is the one where people go about the business of living.
It pisses me off when people dump on "DC" and don't bother with the destinction.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2011 23:29:29
Quote by Raine:
Am I the only person wondering how many times Herman Cain got away with his sexual harassment and how far it went?




The Hermanator, besides being stone stupid, is a massive douche when it comes to women. Question is his serial harrasment a syptom of his stone stupidity?

Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2011 23:40:30
Well the Republicans finally decided to negotiate on taxes in the "Stoopa Committee".

That's right folks. They've gone back to negotiating with themselves.



Comment by Raine on 11/08/2011 00:14:18
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Am I the only person wondering how many times Herman Cain got away with his sexual harassment and how far it went?




The Hermanator, besides being stone stupid, is a massive douche when it comes to women. Question is his serial harrasment a syptom of his stone stupidity?

The Irony here is that women generally like douche's...

In all seriousness, This woman said in her statement that she said 'STOP, No.' There have been 4 women so far who have states that he was a harasser -- I wonder how many women out there didn't say no.




Comment by Raine on 11/08/2011 00:21:56
Quote by Scoopster:
Well the Republicans finally decided to negotiate on taxes in the "Stoopa Committee".

That's right folks. They've gone back to negotiating with themselves.


Well...

*sigh* I got nothing. You took all the emoticons.

Comment by Raine on 11/08/2011 03:36:16
I rarely say this, but I kinda hope people caught Dr. Maddow tonite. Her interview with the Episcopalian Bishop was all sorts of awesome.


Comment by Raine on 11/08/2011 22:11:29
God I love randi.

BTW, Cain has officially lawyered up.