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Ask a Vet
Author: TriSec
Date: 01/24/2012 11:22:42
Good Morning.
Today is our 3,761st day in Afghanistan.
We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing war, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,880
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 995
We find this morning's cost of war passing through:
$ 1, 295, 255, 675, 000 .00
I ran across a rather disturbing story last week that failed to gain any national traction. We'll have to file this one under "waterboarding". It seems that despite all the advances in combat medicine that have been made over the last two decades, a Missouri Congressman thinks it isn't enough. His grand idea though, isn't more doctors, better triage, more hospital, or even something meta like getting the troops out of harm's way. Nay; he thinks medevac helicopters should be armed.
It is all about the Geneva Convention; evacuation and aid services are unarmed and well-marked for a reason. For the most part, combatants worldwide recognize these things and act accordingly. I'm just now reading the classic account of the violent WWII battles around Arnhem and Oosterbeck; even at the height of the fighting, there were acts of chivalry on both sides, and on the day before the Brits were wiped out, there was a 6-hour truce so both sides could clear their wounded...under a Red Cross flag.
But fortunately for us...cooler heads have prevailed.
With that said...I've got no easy way to transition to the other stories I've got holding out there, so I'll have to leave them for another time. Instead, we'll look at a military family that's made the ultimate sacrifice...twice.
Go back up and look at the Afghanistan number; though smaller, it's no less painful than the long-running Iraq totals that once occupied this same space. (4,484). What will the final accounting be when we maybe get out of there three years from now?
Today is our 3,761st day in Afghanistan.
We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing war, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,880
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 995
We find this morning's cost of war passing through:
I ran across a rather disturbing story last week that failed to gain any national traction. We'll have to file this one under "waterboarding". It seems that despite all the advances in combat medicine that have been made over the last two decades, a Missouri Congressman thinks it isn't enough. His grand idea though, isn't more doctors, better triage, more hospital, or even something meta like getting the troops out of harm's way. Nay; he thinks medevac helicopters should be armed.
A key lawmaker says the military could save more lives in Afghanistan if the Army would arm its Medevac helicopters rather than worry about its commitment to the Geneva Convention.
Rep. Todd Akin, R-Mo., a senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, said in a letter sent Tuesday to the Defense Department that current Army policy of having unarmed Medevac helicopters is slowing transport of injured troops. The helicopters, marked with a red cross, are accompanied by armed aircraft when flying into dangerous areas.
Army officials responded to Akin’s letter, making the case for continuing the MEDEVAC program as it now stands. Adding weapons, they say, would take up space and weight that could be used for patients.
“Longstanding Army policy and doctrine prohibit the mounting of crew-serve weapons on MEDEVAC aircraft and provide detailed guidance on the utilization of the MEDEVAC aircraft, lest the platform lose its protected status under the Geneva Convention,” the Army wrote in an email to Army Times. “AH64 is infinitely more effective in targeting enemy and protecting MEDEVAC helicopters than arming the MEDEVAC itself.”
Akin said the policy could be a factor in the Sept. 18 death of an Army specialist injured while on patrol in Kandahar province.
Spec. Chazray C. Clark, 24, of Eorse, Mich., suffered severe injuries as a result of an improvised explosive device but “was alive and talking when his buddies transported him back to the landing zone,” Akin said.
An unarmed Medevac helicopter was just a few minutes away but it was not dispatched for about 30 minutes while Army policy was followed to look for armed aircraft to provide escort, Akin said in a letter addressed to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.
...
“I understand the Army has adopted its current Medevac policy, in part, as a demonstration of its commitment to the Geneva Convention,” Akin said, but everyone isn’t doing this.
The Air Force, U.S. Special Operations Command and British forces “fly search and rescue missions and Medevac missions without the red cross and with armed aircraft,” he said. “The fact that other services perform similar missions armed and unmarked implies a difference of opinion on the specific requirements of the Geneva Convention.”
“While I expect our armed forces to conduct operation in accordance with the laws of war, I find it peculiar that the Army alone would shackle itself unnecessarily in conducting the critical mission of saving the lives of our warfighters,” Akin said.
It is all about the Geneva Convention; evacuation and aid services are unarmed and well-marked for a reason. For the most part, combatants worldwide recognize these things and act accordingly. I'm just now reading the classic account of the violent WWII battles around Arnhem and Oosterbeck; even at the height of the fighting, there were acts of chivalry on both sides, and on the day before the Brits were wiped out, there was a 6-hour truce so both sides could clear their wounded...under a Red Cross flag.
But fortunately for us...cooler heads have prevailed.
The U.S. Army is disputing assertions that putting weapons on medical evacuation helicopters could improve the survival rate of soldiers fighting in Afghanistan after the death last September of an Army specialist who had to wait for transport after stepping on an explosive.
Concerns about the evacuation of Spec. Chazray C. Clark have been raised by an Internet blogger, Michael Yon, who had been embedded with Clark's unit, and by Missouri Congressman Tim Akin, who earlier this week wrote a letter to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, questioning the army's policy of using only unarmed medevac helicopters. Those medevacs require an armed escort, which can lead to delays because of the high demand for helicopters.
“Any policy commitment that would impede even a single wounded soldier or Marine from receiving medical care in the least amount of time possible is simply unacceptable,” said Akin in his letter. “The medical staff in Afghanistan is courageous and is providing the best possible care for wounded service members. Unfortunately, bureaucrats in the Pentagon are delaying this care needlessly. If there is one thing we have learned in combat medicine in recent years, it is that quickly getting medical care is crucial. This policy must be corrected.”
Clark's legs and one arm were blown off by a bomb he stepped on. It was reported that he had to wait at least 30 minutes and possibly up to 40 minutes for the armed escort. The 24-year-old from Ecorse, Mich., died about an hour after arriving at a military field hospital.
Akin asserts that Army medevacs should be armed, the same way the Air Force and British allies handle the transport of their wounded service members.
"I cannot state with certainty whether or not Specialist Clark's life would have been saved by getting him to Kandahar sooner," Akin said. "However, we do know that minutes after a battlefield wound are crucial and getting the wounded to proper medical care rapidly is vital."
The Army, however, is disputing the assertion that an armed medevac would improve survival rates for wounded soldiers. The tradition of using unarmed helicopters dates back to the Vietnam war, apparently in support of the Geneva Convention. Instead of bearing weapons, the choppers display the Red Cross symbol, which the Army contends has been successful at keeping the enemy from targeting them.
Specifically, the Army contends that even an armed medical evacuation helicopter would have had to wait for another armed helicopter escort to provide top cover while on the ground. Even the most heavily armed attack helicopters always travel in pairs, no matter what the mission, the Army says.
Also, adding gunners with weapons and ammunition would add weight and take up space on the helicopters, limiting the space for stretchers and impeding their ability to operate at higher altitudes, according to the Army.
Finally, the Army claims that the 92 percent survival rate for badly wounded soldiers in Afghanistan is the highest in the military's history, in part because of the performance of the unarmed helicopter transports.
With that said...I've got no easy way to transition to the other stories I've got holding out there, so I'll have to leave them for another time. Instead, we'll look at a military family that's made the ultimate sacrifice...twice.
The war in Afghanistan has claimed the lives of two sons of an Arkansas couple who also have a third son in the military.
Sgt. 1st Class Benjamin Wise, 34, of Little Rock, was on his fourth deployment overseas when he was injured during an insurgent attack on his unit last week. He died from his wounds Sunday at a hospital in Germany, the Department of Defense said in a statement Tuesday.
His brother, 35-year-old Jeremy Wise, was killed in a terrorist attack on a CIA outpost in Afghanistan in December 2009. He was a former Navy Seal working as a security contractor.
Their brother, Marine Corps Cpl. Matthew Wise, is based in Hawaii but was in Germany to be with his brother, his wife Amber said. She said she was at Benjamin's home in Washington state watching his children, but she declined further comment.
The Army Special Forces soldier is survived by his wife, two sons and a daughter.
The men's parents, Dr. Jean and Mary Wise of Hope, Ark., and their sister did not return telephone messages seeking comment from The Associated Press. But the family released a statement thanking friends and Benjamin's fellow soldiers "for their sincere expressions of sympathy during this very difficult time."
His family described him as a loving husband, devoted father, caring son and selfless soldier.
"The Wise family is sincerely touched by the concern and interest all have taken in Ben's life, his career and his sacrifice for our country," they said in the statement. "Ben was proud of the career he built in the Army."
He was assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 1st Special Forces Group, Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington.
Go back up and look at the Afghanistan number; though smaller, it's no less painful than the long-running Iraq totals that once occupied this same space. (4,484). What will the final accounting be when we maybe get out of there three years from now?
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Comment by 
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 14:03:22
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 14:03:22
Morning mon peeps. I, Mondo, am at home today and tomorrow. I took a couple of days off.
Comment by 
Raine on 01/24/2012 14:06:30
Are you feeling a little bit better?
Raine on 01/24/2012 14:06:30
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning mon peeps. I, Mondo, am at home today and tomorrow. I took a couple of days off.
Are you feeling a little bit better?
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 14:06:46
good morning.
Raine on 01/24/2012 14:06:46
good morning.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 01/24/2012 14:07:29
wickedpam on 01/24/2012 14:07:29
Morning 
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 14:10:39
Meh. I am loaded to the gills on all kinds of OTC nostrums.
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 14:10:39
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning mon peeps. I, Mondo, am at home today and tomorrow. I took a couple of days off.
Are you feeling a little bit better?
Meh. I am loaded to the gills on all kinds of OTC nostrums.
Comment by 
TriSec on 01/24/2012 14:19:17
TriSec on 01/24/2012 14:19:17
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 14:23:54
Raine on 01/24/2012 14:23:54
Mondo!
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 14:28:33
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 14:28:33
BTW, what happened to the Fair Rebekah? She was doing the phone screening.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/24/2012 14:29:29
dang it! I missed it!
wickedpam on 01/24/2012 14:29:29
Quote by Raine:
Mondo!
dang it! I missed it!
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 14:29:59
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 14:29:59
Newt calling somebody else out for running a negative campaign. That is is comedy gold.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 14:31:27
Raine on 01/24/2012 14:31:27
It's not just the Caymen Islands that I want to know about... Mitt Romney also had to close a SWISS bank account back in 2009.
Remember what happened in 2009??? This: UBS scandal.
Remember what happened in 2009??? This: UBS scandal.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 14:31:56
MAybe she has the day off?
Raine on 01/24/2012 14:31:56
Quote by Mondobubba:
BTW, what happened to the Fair Rebekah? She was doing the phone screening.
MAybe she has the day off?
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 14:36:44
Switzerland is not the tax haven it once was. The Swiss have acquiesced to international pressure to crackdown on money laundering.
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 14:36:44
Quote by Raine:
It's not just the Caymen Islands that I want to know about... Mitt Romney also had to close a SWISS bank account back in 2009.
Remember what happened in 2009??? This: UBS scandal.
Switzerland is not the tax haven it once was. The Swiss have acquiesced to international pressure to crackdown on money laundering.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 14:43:27
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 14:43:27
If I was Mittens rich, I wouldn't sock my money in a Cayman Islands account. How cliche. I would sock my money away in an offshore account in another tropical tax haven, Vanuatu. That is where the cool kids are stashing their cash.
It has come to Mondo's attention that Vanuatu has made strides to clean up its act tax haven-wise. Mondo did not mean any defamation of the fine country of Vanuatu. Mondo regrets the error.
It has come to Mondo's attention that Vanuatu has made strides to clean up its act tax haven-wise. Mondo did not mean any defamation of the fine country of Vanuatu. Mondo regrets the error.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 14:49:08
That what I am getting at. That whole thing happened in 2009. THEN mittens closed the account.
Kinda makes one wonder.
Raine on 01/24/2012 14:49:08
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
It's not just the Caymen Islands that I want to know about... Mitt Romney also had to close a SWISS bank account back in 2009.
Remember what happened in 2009??? This: UBS scandal.
Switzerland is not the tax haven it once was. The Swiss have acquiesced to international pressure to crackdown on money laundering.
Kinda makes one wonder.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 14:49:31
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 14:49:31
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 14:50:15
Mittens, what are you hiding? That's what I want to know.
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 14:50:15
Quote by Raine:That what I am getting at. That whole thing happened in 2009. THEN mittens closed the account.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
It's not just the Caymen Islands that I want to know about... Mitt Romney also had to close a SWISS bank account back in 2009.
Remember what happened in 2009??? This: UBS scandal.
Switzerland is not the tax haven it once was. The Swiss have acquiesced to international pressure to crackdown on money laundering.
Kinda makes one wonder.
Mittens, what are you hiding? That's what I want to know.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 14:58:43
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 14:58:43
ZOMG! That is just awful. Truly bad.
Hello I'm Leonard Pinth Garnell. Your host for "Bad Political Jingles." The Scott Walker jingle, stunning in its badness, just bad.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 15:03:13
Raine on 01/24/2012 15:03:13
Steve Benen Is wondering the same thing.
Why did Romney set up $100 million trust funds for his sons without paying any gift taxes? Were his accounts in the Caymans and in Switzerland created to avoid paying taxes? Was the closing of the Swiss account related to this IRS investigation? And given all of the questions surrounding Romney’s Bain-era work, why does the Republican candidate continue to insist he won’t disclose returns from previous years?
What’s more, following up on a point from last week, even if Romney argues that he’s simply playing by the rules — taking advantage of existing tax loopholes to pay lower rates than much of the middle class — this doesn’t explain why Romney is eager to exacerbate issues on tax fairness with his tax plan that makes the problem worse.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 15:06:30
Raine on 01/24/2012 15:06:30
Quote by Mondobubba:
ZOMG! That is just awful. Truly bad.Hello I'm Leonard Pinth Garnell. Your host for "Bad Political Jingles." The Scott Walker jingle, stunning in its badness, just bad.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 15:08:27
Raine on 01/24/2012 15:08:27
My ears are bleeding.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 15:13:01
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 15:13:01
Sorry, I was sterilizing my netti pot. I saw an alarming article about improperly cleaned pots and brain parasites. Bleached, then antibacterial soap with lots of hot water. Did I miss anything? Besides fart and poop in the magic underpants jokes.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 15:21:28
This is Mitt's campaign signage. When I saw it on Saturday my first thought was Omney? What the hell is Omney?
Raine, a professional opinion please?
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 15:21:28
This is Mitt's campaign signage. When I saw it on Saturday my first thought was Omney? What the hell is Omney?
Raine, a professional opinion please?
Comment by TriSec on 01/24/2012 15:23:38
TriSec on 01/24/2012 15:23:38
TRMS - Gingrich/Santorum??
Sorry, gotta go clean up my brain all over the room.
Sorry, gotta go clean up my brain all over the room.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 15:28:53
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 15:28:53
Quote by TriSec:
TRMS - Gingrich/Santorum??
Sorry, gotta go clean up my brain all over the room.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 15:30:04
I keep seeing the toothpaste logo...
And then my twisted mind read MONEY instead of Omney
It reminds be of toothpaste.
Raine on 01/24/2012 15:30:04
Quote by Mondobubba:
This is Mitt's campaign signage. When I saw it on Saturday my first thought was Omney? What the hell is Omney?
Raine, a professional opinion please?
And then my twisted mind read MONEY instead of Omney
It reminds be of toothpaste.
Comment by TriSec on 01/24/2012 15:32:24
TriSec on 01/24/2012 15:32:24
Keep your teeth and your Presidents white with Omney!
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 15:36:23
I did me a little Google search to find the image, there is a large amount of commentary about how it does look like toothpaste.
Note to the ®Omney campaign do a better job of vetting your graphics. If it makes people go huh? or toothpaste! you've picked the wrong graphics.
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 15:36:23
Quote by Raine:I keep seeing the toothpaste logo...Quote by Mondobubba:
This is Mitt's campaign signage. When I saw it on Saturday my first thought was Omney? What the hell is Omney?
Raine, a professional opinion please?
And then my twisted mind read MONEY instead of Omney
It reminds be of toothpaste.
I did me a little Google search to find the image, there is a large amount of commentary about how it does look like toothpaste.
Note to the ®Omney campaign do a better job of vetting your graphics. If it makes people go huh? or toothpaste! you've picked the wrong graphics.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 15:44:55
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 15:44:55
Mitt Romney is an android. Not a fun android like Data. He is like Data's evil twin Lore who was totally unlikable.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/24/2012 15:46:38
Didn't Lore have the personality chip? I don't think Romney has one
wickedpam on 01/24/2012 15:46:38
Quote by Mondobubba:
Mitt Romney is an android. Not a fun android like Data. He is like Data's evil twin Lore who was totally unlikable.
Didn't Lore have the personality chip? I don't think Romney has one
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 15:51:26
No, he stole the emotion chip that Dr. Soong made for Data.
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 15:51:26
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Mitt Romney is an android. Not a fun android like Data. He is like Data's evil twin Lore who was totally unlikable.
Didn't Lore have the personality chip? I don't think Romney has one
No, he stole the emotion chip that Dr. Soong made for Data.
Comment by TriSec on 01/24/2012 15:52:51
Mr. Romney is actually a series of evil clones....it depends on which channel you watch for the position of the day.
TriSec on 01/24/2012 15:52:51
Quote by Mondobubba:
Mitt Romney is an android. Not a fun android like Data. He is like Data's evil twin Lore who was totally unlikable.
Mr. Romney is actually a series of evil clones....it depends on which channel you watch for the position of the day.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/24/2012 15:56:47
That's right, I couldn't remember if he'd already had it when Data met him
wickedpam on 01/24/2012 15:56:47
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Mitt Romney is an android. Not a fun android like Data. He is like Data's evil twin Lore who was totally unlikable.
Didn't Lore have the personality chip? I don't think Romney has one
No, he stole the emotion chip that Dr. Soong made for Data.
That's right, I couldn't remember if he'd already had it when Data met him
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 15:58:48
More like a sun dial then?
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 15:58:48
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Mitt Romney is an android. Not a fun android like Data. He is like Data's evil twin Lore who was totally unlikable.
Mr. Romney is actually a series of evil clones....it depends on which channel you watch for the position of the day.
More like a sun dial then?
Comment by TriSec on 01/24/2012 16:19:25
TriSec on 01/24/2012 16:19:25
*non-sequitir*
OK, so we missed the boat this time, but I found out that just about any schmoe with $1,000 and an application can get on the NH primary ballot.
I say we field a 4F candidate next time. No part of NH is more than a 4-hour drive from here.
OK, so we missed the boat this time, but I found out that just about any schmoe with $1,000 and an application can get on the NH primary ballot.
I say we field a 4F candidate next time. No part of NH is more than a 4-hour drive from here.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:22:00
I've got a slogan. Me me! Ohhh please me!
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:22:00
Quote by TriSec:
*non-sequitir*
OK, so we missed the boat this time, but I found out that just about any schmoe with $1,000 and an application can get on the NH primary ballot.
I say we field a 4F candidate next time. No part of NH is more than a 4-hour drive from here.
I've got a slogan. Me me! Ohhh please me!
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:26:23
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:26:23
:footage of the New Hampshire countryside. Cut to Mondo wearing an LL Bean Barn Coat, LL Bean jeans, an LL Bean RAF sweater and LL Bean Guide Shoes. (Insert bland campaign chatter) Cue swelling, stirring music. Cue voice over in a flinty New Hampshire accent, Mondo, a troubled man for troubled times.:
Comment by wickedpam on 01/24/2012 16:28:16
Isn't NH the state that has the guy who promises everyone a pony on the ballot
wickedpam on 01/24/2012 16:28:16
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
*non-sequitir*
OK, so we missed the boat this time, but I found out that just about any schmoe with $1,000 and an application can get on the NH primary ballot.
I say we field a 4F candidate next time. No part of NH is more than a 4-hour drive from here.
I've got a slogan. Me me! Ohhh please me!
Isn't NH the state that has the guy who promises everyone a pony on the ballot
Comment by TriSec on 01/24/2012 16:29:12
TriSec on 01/24/2012 16:29:12
No dice; LL Bean is a Maine-based company. MAINE. It's different somehow.
And the Barn Coat thing has been done to death by our mercurial Senator Brown. We call that the "Senator Brown Jacket" on the sales floor now.
And the Barn Coat thing has been done to death by our mercurial Senator Brown. We call that the "Senator Brown Jacket" on the sales floor now.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 16:29:56
That was a strange call.
Raine on 01/24/2012 16:29:56
That was a strange call.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:32:16
This is why I turn to you as a native New Englander for advice. What should I be wearing in the ad. I thought all you New England folks wore LL Bean clothing 24/7
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:32:16
Quote by TriSec:
No dice; LL Bean is a Maine-based company. MAINE. It's different somehow.
And the Barn Coat thing has been done to death by our mercurial Senator Brown. We call that the "Senator Brown Jacket" on the sales floor now.
This is why I turn to you as a native New Englander for advice. What should I be wearing in the ad. I thought all you New England folks wore LL Bean clothing 24/7
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 16:32:45
Raine on 01/24/2012 16:32:45
The more I think about it, the more I REALLY believe rMoney should release those 2009 tax returns BEFORE he closed that swiss account.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 16:33:42
Raine on 01/24/2012 16:33:42
You know, we have floated the idea before, I think it is time to think about it again --
a 4F Super Pac.
a 4F Super Pac.
Comment by TriSec on 01/24/2012 16:34:19
TriSec on 01/24/2012 16:34:19
Tim Thomas is a putz, BTW. If it wasn't political, then why do it?
For the record, I don't believe that any Red Sock nor Patriot boycotted the Bush White House during their Presidential visits.
For the record, I don't believe that any Red Sock nor Patriot boycotted the Bush White House during their Presidential visits.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/24/2012 16:35:10
waders and stand in a cranberry bog?
wickedpam on 01/24/2012 16:35:10
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
No dice; LL Bean is a Maine-based company. MAINE. It's different somehow.
And the Barn Coat thing has been done to death by our mercurial Senator Brown. We call that the "Senator Brown Jacket" on the sales floor now.
This is why I turn to you as a native New Englander for advice. What should I be wearing in the ad. I thought all you New England folks wore LL Bean clothing 24/7
waders and stand in a cranberry bog?
Comment by TriSec on 01/24/2012 16:35:49
We do, but almost never the barn coat. It's become the stereotype, so we're avoiding that now. Bean Boots and other outerwear is OK, though.
TriSec on 01/24/2012 16:35:49
Quote by Mondobubba:
This is why I turn to you as a native New Englander for advice. What should I be wearing in the ad. I thought all you New England folks wore LL Bean clothing 24/7
We do, but almost never the barn coat. It's become the stereotype, so we're avoiding that now. Bean Boots and other outerwear is OK, though.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:35:56
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:35:56
Just had to Twitter slap Chris about the Dodge Dart. The problem with the Dart was it was overly reliable. We owned one when I was a wee Mondo. The famous Dodge slant six engine was well nigh indestructible. That Dart finally met it's end after one too many suburban sod busting missions by my brother after the car was handed down to him. Sadly, that cause the CV joints to crap out after almost 90 miles.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 16:36:48
ahYup.
That I like.
Raine on 01/24/2012 16:36:48
Quote by wickedpam:
waders and stand in a cranberry bog?
That I like.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:37:08
So what would you recommend for the flinty, man of the people, down to earth look?
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:37:08
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
This is why I turn to you as a native New Englander for advice. What should I be wearing in the ad. I thought all you New England folks wore LL Bean clothing 24/7
We do, but almost never the barn coat. It's become the stereotype, so we're avoiding that now. Bean Boots and other outerwear is OK, though.
So what would you recommend for the flinty, man of the people, down to earth look?
Comment by TriSec on 01/24/2012 16:37:46
TriSec on 01/24/2012 16:37:46
TriSec's first car was a 1973 Plymouth Scamp, which was similar to your Dodge Dart in most respects. That car gave its life to protect me, in the only major accident I have ever been in (to date.) I walked away; the car was totalled.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:37:48
It's been done by Ocean Spray.
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:37:48
Quote by Raine:ahYup.Quote by wickedpam:
waders and stand in a cranberry bog?
That I like.
It's been done by Ocean Spray.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 16:38:08
I loved the Dart.
Hard to believe they are now shown at classic car shows!
Raine on 01/24/2012 16:38:08
Quote by Mondobubba:
Just had to Twitter slap Chris about the Dodge Dart. The problem with the Dart was it was overly reliable. We owned one when I was a wee Mondo. The famous Dodge slant six engine was well nigh indestructible. That Dart finally met it's end after one too many suburban sod busting missions by my brother after the car was handed down to him. Sadly, that cause the CV joints to crap out after almost 90 miles.
Hard to believe they are now shown at classic car shows!
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:39:15
Yup! They were made to last. That is one of the reasons that Chrysler had to be bailed out. The cars they were building were made to last and last.
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:39:15
Quote by TriSec:
TriSec's first car was a 1973 Plymouth Scamp, which was similar to your Dodge Dart in most respects. That car gave its life to protect me, in the only major accident I have ever been in (to date.) I walked away; the car was totalled.
Yup! They were made to last. That is one of the reasons that Chrysler had to be bailed out. The cars they were building were made to last and last.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 16:39:17
That's why it's perfect. Except we could have a subaru in the background -- We could have ocean spray and subaru sponsor the campaign!
Raine on 01/24/2012 16:39:17
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:ahYup.Quote by wickedpam:
waders and stand in a cranberry bog?
That I like.
It's been done by Ocean Spray.
That's why it's perfect. Except we could have a subaru in the background -- We could have ocean spray and subaru sponsor the campaign!
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 16:40:18
Raine on 01/24/2012 16:40:18
*** sigh ***
I miss Bobber.
I miss Bobber.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:40:28
You could get two-three bodies if not more in the trunk too.
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:40:28
Quote by Raine:I loved the Dart.Quote by Mondobubba:
Just had to Twitter slap Chris about the Dodge Dart. The problem with the Dart was it was overly reliable. We owned one when I was a wee Mondo. The famous Dodge slant six engine was well nigh indestructible. That Dart finally met it's end after one too many suburban sod busting missions by my brother after the car was handed down to him. Sadly, that caused the CV joints to crap out after almost 90 miles.
Hard to believe they are now shown at classic car shows!
You could get two-three bodies if not more in the trunk too.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:41:17
I think that you might be on to something here.
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:41:17
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:ahYup.Quote by wickedpam:
waders and stand in a cranberry bog?
That I like.
It's been done by Ocean Spray.
That's why it's perfect. Except we could have a subaru in the background -- We could have ocean spray and subaru sponsor the campaign!
I think that you might be on to something here.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 01/24/2012 16:41:27
Scoopster on 01/24/2012 16:41:27
Mornin' all.. 
All apologies for the disappearance, but I made the mistake of combining chinese food from a recently renamed place with a new cook with my stomach on Sunday and have been paying for it since. 
Those Walker jingles (yes there's more than one) didn't help either. Good lord they're about a William Hong on the Rebecca Black-Milli Vanilli scale!
All apologies for the disappearance, but I made the mistake of combining chinese food from a recently renamed place with a new cook with my stomach on Sunday and have been paying for it since. Those Walker jingles (yes there's more than one) didn't help either. Good lord they're about a William Hong on the Rebecca Black-Milli Vanilli scale!
Comment by TriSec on 01/24/2012 16:41:40
I'll let you decide.
TriSec on 01/24/2012 16:41:40
Quote by Mondobubba:
So what would you recommend for the flinty, man of the people, down to earth look?
I'll let you decide.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:45:21
Since we are going for the casual look we are going with the Wool Soft-Shell Jacket.
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:45:21
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
So what would you recommend for the flinty, man of the people, down to earth look?
I'll let you decide.
Since we are going for the casual look we are going with the Wool Soft-Shell Jacket.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 16:46:58
Product placement, baby!
and the Subaru adds a special subliminal touch... ya know?
Raine on 01/24/2012 16:46:58
Quote by Mondobubba:
I think that you might be on to something here.
and the Subaru adds a special subliminal touch... ya know?
Comment by TriSec on 01/24/2012 16:47:19
TriSec on 01/24/2012 16:47:19
I've got it....a lined hurricane-cloth shirt over a River Driver, Allagash pants, and the 100th anniversary Bean Boot.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:47:22
:scans blog:
They are insanely easy to set up.
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:47:22
Quote by Raine:
You know, we have floated the idea before, I think it is time to think about it again --
a 4F Super Pac.
:scans blog:
They are insanely easy to set up.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/24/2012 16:47:46
He's back tomorrow, right?
wickedpam on 01/24/2012 16:47:46
Quote by Raine:
*** sigh ***
I miss Bobber.
He's back tomorrow, right?
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 16:48:22
Raine on 01/24/2012 16:48:22
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 16:49:14
We need $1000 to get it started.
Raine on 01/24/2012 16:49:14
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
You know, we have floated the idea before, I think it is time to think about it again --
a 4F Super Pac.
:scans blog:
They are insanely easy to set up.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:49:45
Maine the state the the rest of New England uses to make itself feel better about itself. Take a Maine joke and replace it with any one of the following states: West Virginia, Alabama or Mississippi.
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 16:49:45
Quote by TriSec:
No dice; LL Bean is a Maine-based company. MAINE. It's different somehow.
And the Barn Coat thing has been done to death by our mercurial Senator Brown. We call that the "Senator Brown Jacket" on the sales floor now.
Maine the state the the rest of New England uses to make itself feel better about itself. Take a Maine joke and replace it with any one of the following states: West Virginia, Alabama or Mississippi.
Comment by TriSec on 01/24/2012 16:50:00
TriSec on 01/24/2012 16:50:00
I've had this PAC idea back-burnered for some time....I have the forms to incorporate in this Commonwealth on my thumb drive already. Don't know what it would entail at the national level, though.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/24/2012 16:50:03
I think the Pea coat layered over a well-worn fisherman's sweater
wickedpam on 01/24/2012 16:50:03
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
So what would you recommend for the flinty, man of the people, down to earth look?
I'll let you decide.
Since we are going for the casual look we are going with the Wool Soft-Shell Jacket.
I think the Pea coat layered over a well-worn fisherman's sweater
Comment by TriSec on 01/24/2012 16:55:50
TriSec on 01/24/2012 16:55:50
Local media rips Tim Thomas a new one.
Here's the money quote:
Here's the money quote:
He must have felt much the same just shy of 24 months ago when he sounded so proud to wear that Team USA sweater at the 2010 Olympics, and so proudly dipped his head to accept that silver medal. Or was he doing all of that under governmental duress, the pain of knowing our leaders were acting, as he wrote yesterday, “in direct opposition of the Constitution and the Founding Fathers’ vision of the Federal government.’’
Someone so disgusted with our government ought to turn in the sweater and the medal. It must be a horrible burden, if not a pox, to have them in his house.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 17:04:58
That is a rather impressive ripping of a second a-hole. The whole article that is.
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 17:04:58
Quote by TriSec:
Local media rips Tim Thomas a new one.
Here's the money quote:
He must have felt much the same just shy of 24 months ago when he sounded so proud to wear that Team USA sweater at the 2010 Olympics, and so proudly dipped his head to accept that silver medal. Or was he doing all of that under governmental duress, the pain of knowing our leaders were acting, as he wrote yesterday, “in direct opposition of the Constitution and the Founding Fathers’ vision of the Federal government.’’
Someone so disgusted with our government ought to turn in the sweater and the medal. It must be a horrible burden, if not a pox, to have them in his house.
That is a rather impressive ripping of a second a-hole. The whole article that is.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 17:07:26
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 17:07:26
Okay people, I am going to go back to bed for awhile.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 17:07:37
I read that earlier -- and I must say that was a spectacular takedown of the assknob.
Raine on 01/24/2012 17:07:37
Quote by TriSec:
Local media rips Tim Thomas a new one.
Here's the money quote:
He must have felt much the same just shy of 24 months ago when he sounded so proud to wear that Team USA sweater at the 2010 Olympics, and so proudly dipped his head to accept that silver medal. Or was he doing all of that under governmental duress, the pain of knowing our leaders were acting, as he wrote yesterday, “in direct opposition of the Constitution and the Founding Fathers’ vision of the Federal government.’’
Someone so disgusted with our government ought to turn in the sweater and the medal. It must be a horrible burden, if not a pox, to have them in his house.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 17:19:42
yeah. I'll pick him up at the airport and we are heading to the Homebrew meeting.
Raine on 01/24/2012 17:19:42
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
*** sigh ***
I miss Bobber.
Comment by 
livingonli on 01/24/2012 17:30:15
livingonli on 01/24/2012 17:30:15
Good day, everyone.
Looking at the GOP candidates, it's looking more like a contest over who will do more to screw working people in the butt. (Yes, I did clean the language)
Looking at the GOP candidates, it's looking more like a contest over who will do more to screw working people in the butt. (Yes, I did clean the language)
Comment by wickedpam on 01/24/2012 17:36:20
that sounds like a full day
wickedpam on 01/24/2012 17:36:20
Quote by Raine:yeah. I'll pick him up at the airport and we are heading to the Homebrew meeting.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
*** sigh ***
I miss Bobber.
that sounds like a full day
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 17:43:40
For him more than myself. They have to drive back down to the Airport and then he gets on the plane.
All I gotta do is round up the homebrew and make some snacks for the meeting.
Raine on 01/24/2012 17:43:40
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:yeah. I'll pick him up at the airport and we are heading to the Homebrew meeting.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
*** sigh ***
I miss Bobber.
that sounds like a full day
All I gotta do is round up the homebrew and make some snacks for the meeting.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 17:45:16
They really are the party of the 1% -- it's quite stunning.
The only difference is Ron Paul -- his supporters mask it as personal liberty. In doing so -- they take all leave of reality. Strange days indeed.
Raine on 01/24/2012 17:45:16
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, everyone.
Looking at the GOP candidates, it's looking more like a contest over who will do more to screw working people in the butt. (Yes, I did clean the language)
The only difference is Ron Paul -- his supporters mask it as personal liberty. In doing so -- they take all leave of reality. Strange days indeed.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 18:07:16
Raine on 01/24/2012 18:07:16
YEs. It's from Town Hall. Yes, Mitt Said this.
'I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.
Even the National Review is stunned.
I have to be honest -- I watched his concession speech saturday noght -- my eyes HAD to have glazed over -- because I missed this POT (piece of tripe)
it was OFFAL. <--not a typo.
'I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.
Even the National Review is stunned.
I have to be honest -- I watched his concession speech saturday noght -- my eyes HAD to have glazed over -- because I missed this POT (piece of tripe)
it was OFFAL. <--not a typo.
Comment by Scoopster on 01/24/2012 19:02:49
Oh Mittens...
Scoopster on 01/24/2012 19:02:49
Oh Mittens...
Comment by TriSec on 01/24/2012 19:11:41
TriSec on 01/24/2012 19:11:41
Well, I seem to be making it through the day without any undue ingestion of stimulants.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/24/2012 19:25:49
wickedpam on 01/24/2012 19:25:49
well, the nilists are bunches of fun this afternoon - really Thom do we have to have the downers?
Comment by BobR on 01/24/2012 19:49:31
Bobber misses you too
BobR on 01/24/2012 19:49:31
Quote by Raine:
*** sigh ***
I miss Bobber.
Bobber misses you too
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 19:51:25
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 19:51:25
Back to the land of the living. One of my favorite movies is on. 'The Proposition." A dark, violent western set in the Australian outback of the 1880s.
Comment by TriSec on 01/24/2012 20:00:57
TriSec on 01/24/2012 20:00:57
I have a rare Tuesday home for SOTU.....is there a drinking game? (I know, it's not as much fun as when Bush did it. I bet there is, wonder which right-wing site will have it?)
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 20:14:39
Raine on 01/24/2012 20:14:39
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
*** sigh ***
I miss Bobber.
Bobber misses you too
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 20:18:11
I say we drink every time Boner looks like he has indegestion.
OR someone yells: You Lie
Or anytime the GOP does something stupid.
Raine on 01/24/2012 20:18:11
Quote by TriSec:
I have a rare Tuesday home for SOTU.....is there a drinking game? (I know, it's not as much fun as when Bush did it. I bet there is, wonder which right-wing site will have it?)
OR someone yells: You Lie
Or anytime the GOP does something stupid.
Comment by TriSec on 01/24/2012 20:19:12
started -->
TriSec on 01/24/2012 20:19:12
Quote by Raine:
Or anytime the GOP does something stupid.
started -->
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 20:19:39
Will all be drunk before the speech starts then
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 20:19:39
Quote by Raine:I say we drink every time Boner looks like he has indegestion.Quote by TriSec:
I have a rare Tuesday home for SOTU.....is there a drinking game? (I know, it's not as much fun as when Bush did it. I bet there is, wonder which right-wing site will have it?)
OR someone yells: You Lie
Or anytime the GOP does something stupid.
Will all be drunk before the speech starts then
Comment by livingonli on 01/24/2012 20:25:31
I should be glad I have to work the Rangers game tonight then.
livingonli on 01/24/2012 20:25:31
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:I say we drink every time Boner looks like he has indegestion.Quote by TriSec:
I have a rare Tuesday home for SOTU.....is there a drinking game? (I know, it's not as much fun as when Bush did it. I bet there is, wonder which right-wing site will have it?)
OR someone yells: You Lie
Or anytime the GOP does something stupid.
Will all be drunk before the speech starts then
I should be glad I have to work the Rangers game tonight then.
Comment by TriSec on 01/24/2012 20:27:36
TriSec on 01/24/2012 20:27:36
Ladies and Gentlemen, the President of the United States.
Good evening.
My fellow Americans, the State of the Union sucks ass, and it's their fault. (points across aisle.)
Thank you. Good Night.
Good evening.
My fellow Americans, the State of the Union sucks ass, and it's their fault. (points across aisle.)
Thank you. Good Night.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 20:32:35
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 20:32:35
Facebook ad:
IS MADDOW DANGEROUS?
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 20:51:29
Mondobubba on 01/24/2012 20:51:29
I hate using the neti pot, but l love, love the results.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 21:10:26
Yes.
She is a danger to all ignants.
Raine on 01/24/2012 21:10:26
Quote by Mondobubba:
Facebook ad:IS MADDOW DANGEROUS?
Yes.
She is a danger to all ignants.
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 22:13:16
Raine on 01/24/2012 22:13:16
Ahhh... I can say I have lived in 2 of the three top winners.
And Boston? you have nothing to be proud of.
So F*ck Y'all!!!
And Boston? you have nothing to be proud of.
New York City, with all its rushed inhabitants, bullied its way to the top of list without so much as a friendly wave to those cities it passed along the way. And while New York was no surprise at the top of list, sunny Miami slid in at number two. Also ranked high in terms of attractive people and wild nightlife, maybe Miami seemed a bit superficial for some voters.
All those important folks in their power suits, feverishly typing on their Blackberrys in Washington seems to have rubbed voters the wrong way, landing the city in third place. But if you go, the city ranked tops for museums and historical monuments, so perhaps chatting with people in D.C. isn't really needed anyway.
Los Angeles' ”home of the famed road rage' and Boston rounded out the top-five of the rudest, bolstering the trend that the larger the city, the greater the rudeness.
And if you thought rudeness was reserved mainly for cold-weather climates, the bottom half of the top-10 list bucks that thought. Dallas/Forth Worth (do you blame Dallas or Fort Worth on this one?), Atlanta (this city didn't do too well on many categories, actually) and Phoenix/Scottsdale took the next three spots. The brashness of Baltimore grabbed ninth and tourist-overloaded Orlando rounded out the final spot.
So F*ck Y'all!!!
Comment by livingonli on 01/24/2012 23:05:01
livingonli on 01/24/2012 23:05:01
I got your New York attitude right here, Pallie. 
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2012 23:19:33
Oh yeah? well fluck you too buddy...
Raine on 01/24/2012 23:19:33
Quote by livingonli:
I got your New York attitude right here, Pallie.
Oh yeah? well fluck you too buddy...
Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2012 01:21:31
90 proof, ready to go!
TriSec on 01/25/2012 01:21:31
90 proof, ready to go!
Comment by Scoopster on 01/25/2012 01:24:33
Scoopster on 01/25/2012 01:24:33
Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2012 01:57:41
TriSec on 01/25/2012 01:57:41
We'll miss you, Congresswoman Giffords. Now go get better.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/25/2012 02:05:58
wickedpam on 01/25/2012 02:05:58
awww Congresswoman Giffords looks amazing!
Prez looks good too
Prez looks good too
Comment by wickedpam on 01/25/2012 02:07:23
wickedpam on 01/25/2012 02:07:23
was that BBox in the red suit?
Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2012 02:11:17
TriSec on 01/25/2012 02:11:17
Well, ol' Boehner seems chipper tonight.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/25/2012 02:12:29
He's already hit the toddies
wickedpam on 01/25/2012 02:12:29
Quote by TriSec:
Well, ol' Boehner seems chipper tonight.
He's already hit the toddies
Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2012 02:14:12
TriSec on 01/25/2012 02:14:12
First-pitch homer!
Comment by Scoopster on 01/25/2012 02:14:19
Scoopster on 01/25/2012 02:14:19
Wow he's starting this off really smart.. pushing the bipartisanship is patriotic angle.
Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2012 02:20:05
TriSec on 01/25/2012 02:20:05
Ah, there's my senior Senator...looking as wooden as ever!
Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2012 02:22:14
TriSec on 01/25/2012 02:22:14
Auto is great...I wish we could rejuvenate the textile and shoe industries.
Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2012 02:25:41
TriSec on 01/25/2012 02:25:41
Eric Cantor with the evil hate beams!
Comment by wickedpam on 01/25/2012 02:26:35
someone put their muddy feet on the new devan
wickedpam on 01/25/2012 02:26:35
Quote by TriSec:
Eric Cantor with the evil hate beams!
someone put their muddy feet on the new devan
Comment by Scoopster on 01/25/2012 02:30:02
Scoopster on 01/25/2012 02:30:02
Wait.. was that Raine sitting next to FLOTUS? 
Comment by wickedpam on 01/25/2012 02:31:55
wickedpam on 01/25/2012 02:31:55
Jaci was adorb's!
Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2012 02:37:31
TriSec on 01/25/2012 02:37:31
I'm liking the lighting in the chamber tonight....the upper spotlights look rather like the sun's rays.
Comment by 
clintster on 01/25/2012 02:37:46
clintster on 01/25/2012 02:37:46
Is it just me, or does anyone else out there hear something like a ringtone every time there is applause?
Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2012 02:51:42
She is notably absent this evening.
TriSec on 01/25/2012 02:51:42
Quote by Scoopster:
Wait.. was that Raine sitting next to FLOTUS?
She is notably absent this evening.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/25/2012 02:55:39
she's not playing a drinking game on her own is she?
wickedpam on 01/25/2012 02:55:39
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Scoopster:
Wait.. was that Raine sitting next to FLOTUS?
She is notably absent this evening.
she's not playing a drinking game on her own is she?
Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2012 03:18:31
TriSec on 01/25/2012 03:18:31
Do I wait for the GOP, or should I go to bed now? I was working until midnight last night....
Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2012 03:20:01
TriSec on 01/25/2012 03:20:01
Oh, and there's my junior Senator now!
Comment by Scoopster on 01/25/2012 03:20:53
Scoopster on 01/25/2012 03:20:53
I'm not even gonna bother with Mitch.. there's better things on TV, plus I have to vacuum and do laundry and finish my taxes n'shit.
Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2012 03:22:18
TriSec on 01/25/2012 03:22:18
GOP response will be canned talking points. I"m gonna bail. Good night!
Comment by wickedpam on 01/25/2012 03:25:26
wickedpam on 01/25/2012 03:25:26
ok someone tell me why I know the name Brent Sirota?
Comment by Raine on 01/25/2012 05:13:02
*cough*
Raine on 01/25/2012 05:13:02
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Scoopster:
Wait.. was that Raine sitting next to FLOTUS?
She is notably absent this evening.
*cough*
Comment by Raine on 01/25/2012 05:16:28
Raine on 01/25/2012 05:16:28
Hey everyone!
I was here, just has some personal things to deal with.
Then, around 1030 - ish I just closed my eyes.
I was here, just has some personal things to deal with.
Then, around 1030 - ish I just closed my eyes.
Comment by Raine on 01/25/2012 05:30:11
Raine on 01/25/2012 05:30:11
I watched the speech a second time...
I got one thing to say:
STFU GOP.
I got one thing to say:
STFU GOP.