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Ask a Vet
Author: TriSec
Date: 02/07/2012 11:18:19
Good Morning.
Today is our 3,775th day in Afghanistan.
We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing war, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,889
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 992
We find this morning's Cost of War passing through:
$ 1, 299, 887, 625, 000 .00
So, the Giants won the Superbowl. As a result of that, there will be a victory parade through parts of Manhattan.
They will be joining the many hundreds of others that have received parades of some sort through the "Canyon of Heroes" in NYC....just take a look at some of those that have been so honoured.
It's an interesting mix of events. But take a look at the last parade I have listed. The parade in 1998 was the last one that honored something other than a sports team. In the 13 years since the Discovery astronauts were so honored, another 5 parades have taken place, all for championship sports teams.
It seems to me that we've lost a little perspective.
For more, read Paul Rieckhoff's take on the situation.
Mayor Bloomberg has deferred to the Pentagon on this; stating that it wouldn't be proper to have a parade while we're still at war in Afghanistan. I was wondering if that's a leg to stand on, and it may be. I had wondered if we had multiple parades at the end of WWII, and the major allies did not. But why should that stop us from doing so this time?
The parade on January 12 was also the last "official" victory parade of any sort in the United States. While various regiments have been honored for their service and sacrifice, no other sanctioned event has taken place in 66 years.
Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg
City Hall
New York, NY 10007
PHONE 311 (or 212-NEW-YORK outside NYC)
You know what to do.
Today is our 3,775th day in Afghanistan.
We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing war, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,889
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 992
We find this morning's Cost of War passing through:
So, the Giants won the Superbowl. As a result of that, there will be a victory parade through parts of Manhattan.
They will be joining the many hundreds of others that have received parades of some sort through the "Canyon of Heroes" in NYC....just take a look at some of those that have been so honoured.
(not inclusive)
1886
October 28 - Statue of Liberty dedication (impromptu).
1921
April/May ?? - Albert Einstein, The only scientist to ever receive a ticker tape parade tribute.
1927
June 13 - Charles Lindbergh, following solo transatlantic flight.
July 18 - Commander Richard Byrd and the crew of the America following transatlantic flight.
1945
June 10 - General Dwight Eisenhower, commander of the Allied Expeditionary Forces.
August 27 - General Charles de Gaulle, interim president of France.
September 14 - General Jonathan Wainwright, hero of Corregidor.
October 9 - Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz.
October 27 - President Harry S. Truman.
December 14 - Fleet Admiral William F. Halsey.
1951
May 24 - U.S. 4th Infantry Division 8th Regimental Combat Team, first troops sent overseas in support of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation
1953
April 3 - Metropolitan New York Combat Contingent, first troop transport to return from Korea.
1958
May 20 - Van Cliburn, winner of the Moscow International Tchaikovsky Competition. The only musician to ever receive a ticker tape parade tribute.
1969
January 10 - Frank Borman, James A. Lovell, and William A. Anders, following the Apollo 8 mission to the Moon.
August 13 - Neil Armstrong, Edwin Aldrin, and Michael Collins, following Apollo 11 mission to the Moon.
October 20 - New York Mets championship in the World Series.
1981
January 30 - American hostages released from Iran.
1985
May 7 - Vietnam War veterans.
1998
November 16 - John Glenn and astronauts of Space Shuttle Discovery mission STS-95.
It's an interesting mix of events. But take a look at the last parade I have listed. The parade in 1998 was the last one that honored something other than a sports team. In the 13 years since the Discovery astronauts were so honored, another 5 parades have taken place, all for championship sports teams.
It seems to me that we've lost a little perspective.
For more, read Paul Rieckhoff's take on the situation.
Mayor Bloomberg has deferred to the Pentagon on this; stating that it wouldn't be proper to have a parade while we're still at war in Afghanistan. I was wondering if that's a leg to stand on, and it may be. I had wondered if we had multiple parades at the end of WWII, and the major allies did not. But why should that stop us from doing so this time?
Berlin Victory Parade of 1945 (ru:Берлинский парад Победы (1945)) - USSR, USA, Great Britain and France
1944 Dieppe Victory Parade, Victory Parade of the 2nd Canadian Infantry Division in Dieppe celebrated on 3 September 1944
1945 Moscow Victory Parade, marking the end of the Second World War in Europe.
1946 London Victory Parade, celebrating the victory in the Second World War.
N.Y.C.Victory Parade, January 12, 1946, designated by the United States Department of War to head the G.I. Victory Parade up Fifth Avenue
The parade on January 12 was also the last "official" victory parade of any sort in the United States. While various regiments have been honored for their service and sacrifice, no other sanctioned event has taken place in 66 years.
Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg
City Hall
New York, NY 10007
PHONE 311 (or 212-NEW-YORK outside NYC)
You know what to do.
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 02/07/2012 13:57:55
wickedpam on 02/07/2012 13:57:55
Morning 
Comment by 
Raine on 02/07/2012 14:03:55
good morning.
I do hope the Mayor changes his mind about a parade for the Vets.
Raine on 02/07/2012 14:03:55
good morning. I do hope the Mayor changes his mind about a parade for the Vets.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 02/07/2012 14:23:38
Scoopster on 02/07/2012 14:23:38
Mornin' all.. 
After nearly eleven years of duty, many of them on multiple deployments, these guys deserve to be honored in such a way. They need to know loud and clear that their service and sacrifice is appreciated, even if the politicians who took us to war and their reasonings for doing so are much less than valid.
After nearly eleven years of duty, many of them on multiple deployments, these guys deserve to be honored in such a way. They need to know loud and clear that their service and sacrifice is appreciated, even if the politicians who took us to war and their reasonings for doing so are much less than valid.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 02/07/2012 14:40:51
Mondobubba on 02/07/2012 14:40:51
The parade thing for me isn't about the war(s) it is about honoring the people who've volunteered to serve. Many of them put their civilian lives on hold since they are in the reserves or the National Guard. They have sacrified a lot. They deserve a welcome home
Comment by wickedpam on 02/07/2012 14:42:07
our gov is an idiot prepping for a pres run in the next 4 years
wickedpam on 02/07/2012 14:42:07
Quote by Scoopster:
YEAH SURE.. WHATEVER BOB.
our gov is an idiot prepping for a pres run in the next 4 years
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/07/2012 14:49:07
In the push and pull over which governor is bigger tool, this week it is Rick Scott by a nose, I think. There is a bill working its way through the state legislature here about collecting sales tax on internet purchases, they are projecting about 1 billion in revenue. Scott says he won't sign the bill unless there are tax cut in other areas to offset the new revenue. WHAT THE FUCK???
Mondobubba on 02/07/2012 14:49:07
Quote by Scoopster:
YEAH SURE.. WHATEVER BOB.
In the push and pull over which governor is bigger tool, this week it is Rick Scott by a nose, I think. There is a bill working its way through the state legislature here about collecting sales tax on internet purchases, they are projecting about 1 billion in revenue. Scott says he won't sign the bill unless there are tax cut in other areas to offset the new revenue. WHAT THE FUCK???
Comment by Raine on 02/07/2012 14:51:14
I get that feeling as well. 
Raine on 02/07/2012 14:51:14
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:
YEAH SURE.. WHATEVER BOB.
our gov is an idiot prepping for a pres run in the next 4 years
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/07/2012 14:54:52
Mondobubba on 02/07/2012 14:54:52
By the way, when did Twitter change the layout? I feared change momentarily last night.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/07/2012 14:56:12
changed to what? I checked it last night and it looks pretty much the same from that last major change they did more then a year ago
wickedpam on 02/07/2012 14:56:12
Quote by Mondobubba:
By the way, when did Twitter change the layout? I feared change momentarily last night.
changed to what? I checked it last night and it looks pretty much the same from that last major change they did more then a year ago
Comment by Raine on 02/07/2012 15:04:21
IT's changed on one of my computers but not the other. (that is strange to me)
It's not too bad -- just takes some getting used to as it shows the name of the account holder and not just the twitter handle
Raine on 02/07/2012 15:04:21
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
By the way, when did Twitter change the layout? I feared change momentarily last night.
changed to what? I checked it last night and it looks pretty much the same from that last major change they did more then a year ago
It's not too bad -- just takes some getting used to as it shows the name of the account holder and not just the twitter handle
Comment by Scoopster on 02/07/2012 15:07:47
Scoopster on 02/07/2012 15:07:47
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/07/2012 15:18:31
Yeah it took me a couple of minutes to figure out.
Mondobubba on 02/07/2012 15:18:31
Quote by Raine:IT's changed on one of my computers but not the other. (that is strange to me)Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
By the way, when did Twitter change the layout? I feared change momentarily last night.
changed to what? I checked it last night and it looks pretty much the same from that last major change they did more then a year ago
It's not too bad -- just takes some getting used to as it shows the name of the account holder and not just the twitter handle
Yeah it took me a couple of minutes to figure out.
Comment by Raine on 02/07/2012 15:21:32
Univision is NBC?
How does that work?
Raine on 02/07/2012 15:21:32
Quote by Scoopster:
Disney & NBC-Universal's Univision planning a new news channel?
How does that work?
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/07/2012 15:28:01
Yeah they've owned Univision for long time.
Mondobubba on 02/07/2012 15:28:01
Quote by Raine:Univision is NBC?Quote by Scoopster:
Disney & NBC-Universal's Univision planning a new news channel?
How does that work?
Yeah they've owned Univision for long time.
Comment by Raine on 02/07/2012 15:29:41
But Disney owns ABC So I don't understand.
NBC would be competing with itself and MSNBC
Raine on 02/07/2012 15:29:41
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Univision is NBC?Quote by Scoopster:
Disney & NBC-Universal's Univision planning a new news channel?
How does that work?
Yeah they've owned Univision for long time.
NBC would be competing with itself and MSNBC
Comment by Raine on 02/07/2012 15:31:18
Raine on 02/07/2012 15:31:18
I thought NBC owned Telemundo.
Comment by Raine on 02/07/2012 15:34:36
Raine on 02/07/2012 15:34:36
KAREN HANDEL HAS RESIGNED!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/07/2012 15:39:27
wow! That's kinda surprising - wonder if she had pressure from inside since they made the organization look very bad
wickedpam on 02/07/2012 15:39:27
Quote by Raine:
KAREN HANDEL HAS RESIGNED!
wow! That's kinda surprising - wonder if she had pressure from inside since they made the organization look very bad
Comment by Raine on 02/07/2012 15:41:01
Link
They are in serious Damage control. I;m still not in a very forgiving mood.
Raine on 02/07/2012 15:41:01
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
KAREN HANDEL HAS RESIGNED!
wow! That's kinda surprising - wonder if she had pressure from inside since they made the organization look very bad
They are in serious Damage control. I;m still not in a very forgiving mood.
Comment by Scoopster on 02/07/2012 15:41:10
One down, one to go.
Scoopster on 02/07/2012 15:41:10
Quote by Raine:
KAREN HANDEL HAS RESIGNED!
One down, one to go.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/07/2012 15:42:57
Oh my bad, I was thinking Telemundo.
Mondobubba on 02/07/2012 15:42:57
Quote by Raine:But Disney owns ABC So I don't understand.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Univision is NBC?Quote by Scoopster:
Disney & NBC-Universal's Univision planning a new news channel?
How does that work?
Yeah they've owned Univision for long time.
NBC would be competing with itself and MSNBC
Oh my bad, I was thinking Telemundo.
Comment by Scoopster on 02/07/2012 15:44:18
DOH.. I was thinking the same thing!
Scoopster on 02/07/2012 15:44:18
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:But Disney owns ABC So I don't understand.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Univision is NBC?Quote by Scoopster:
Disney & NBC-Universal's Univision planning a new news channel?
How does that work?
Yeah they've owned Univision for long time.
NBC would be competing with itself and MSNBC
Oh my bad, I was thinking Telemundo.
DOH.. I was thinking the same thing!
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/07/2012 15:45:33
Oh they've got the pig in the metaphorical make up chair. Aint gonna work.
Mondobubba on 02/07/2012 15:45:33
Quote by Raine:LinkQuote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
KAREN HANDEL HAS RESIGNED!
wow! That's kinda surprising - wonder if she had pressure from inside since they made the organization look very bad
They are in serious Damage control. I;m still not in a very forgiving mood.
Oh they've got the pig in the metaphorical make up chair. Aint gonna work.
Comment by Raine on 02/07/2012 15:45:41
This makes more sense now.
Raine on 02/07/2012 15:45:41
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:But Disney owns ABC So I don't understand.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Univision is NBC?Quote by Scoopster:
Disney & NBC-Universal's Univision planning a new news channel?
How does that work?
Yeah they've owned Univision for long time.
NBC would be competing with itself and MSNBC
Oh my bad, I was thinking Telemundo.
DOH.. I was thinking the same thing!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/07/2012 15:47:05
me neither
wickedpam on 02/07/2012 15:47:05
Quote by Raine:LinkQuote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
KAREN HANDEL HAS RESIGNED!
wow! That's kinda surprising - wonder if she had pressure from inside since they made the organization look very bad
They are in serious Damage control. I;m still not in a very forgiving mood.
me neither
Comment by wickedpam on 02/07/2012 15:47:45
wickedpam on 02/07/2012 15:47:45
oh btw - saw a Newt 2012 bumper sticker on the way to work this morning - I did drive by laughing
Comment by Scoopster on 02/07/2012 15:51:54
What a piece of trash.. ignorant and unapologetic even as she leaves in disgrace.
Scoopster on 02/07/2012 15:51:54
Quote by Raine:
here is her resignation letter (via Lizz)
What a piece of trash.. ignorant and unapologetic even as she leaves in disgrace.
Comment by Raine on 02/07/2012 15:57:03
Typical Bush republican....
Raine on 02/07/2012 15:57:03
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
here is her resignation letter (via Lizz)
What a piece of trash.. ignorant and unapologetic even as she leaves in disgrace.
Comment by Raine on 02/07/2012 16:59:58
Raine on 02/07/2012 16:59:58
I am loving this parade! 
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 02/07/2012 17:07:45
velveeta jones on 02/07/2012 17:07:45
Morning.......er... Afternoon!
TriSec I agree with you, we have lost our perspective regarding parades. These guys, while they certainly deserve to be honored, will receive millions of dollars in prize money, endorsements and of course, they get rings and a trophy. But they do not fit the definition of "hero". I suppose if we were to honor someone with a ticker tape parade, we'd just end up fighting about who. Sarah Palin deserve one?
huh...... NO!
TriSec I agree with you, we have lost our perspective regarding parades. These guys, while they certainly deserve to be honored, will receive millions of dollars in prize money, endorsements and of course, they get rings and a trophy. But they do not fit the definition of "hero". I suppose if we were to honor someone with a ticker tape parade, we'd just end up fighting about who. Sarah Palin deserve one?
huh...... NO!
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/07/2012 17:11:22
Someone should write to this woman and remind her that abortion is legal. While you may not agree with abortion, it's still legal. I don't agree with the death penalty, but, it's legal. So.......
velveeta jones on 02/07/2012 17:11:22
Quote by Raine:
here is her resignation letter (via Lizz)
Someone should write to this woman and remind her that abortion is legal. While you may not agree with abortion, it's still legal. I don't agree with the death penalty, but, it's legal. So.......
Comment by Raine on 02/07/2012 17:13:01
Agreed.
What is slaying me here is that NONE of the Komen money went towards abortion. Good riddance to Karen Handel.
Raine on 02/07/2012 17:13:01
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:
here is her resignation letter (via Lizz)
Someone should write to this woman and remind her that abortion is legal. While you may not agree with abortion, it's still legal. I don't agree with the death penalty, but, it's legal. So.......
What is slaying me here is that NONE of the Komen money went towards abortion. Good riddance to Karen Handel.
Comment by 
livingonli on 02/07/2012 17:16:03
livingonli on 02/07/2012 17:16:03
Good day everyone. The Giants parade has taken over NY media since it is on all the local channels (although it looks like the two Fox stations are pooling coverage with the respective local bugs on WNYW and WWOR) as well as city-owned WNYE and sports networks YES, SNY, and MSG (SNY although is the official Jets channel since they have an arrangement with them).
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/07/2012 17:23:53
She didn't quit, she was fired. The whole I'm declining the severence package thing is a tip off.
Mondobubba on 02/07/2012 17:23:53
Quote by Raine:
here is her resignation letter (via Lizz)
She didn't quit, she was fired. The whole I'm declining the severence package thing is a tip off.
Comment by livingonli on 02/07/2012 17:41:18
livingonli on 02/07/2012 17:41:18
Sounds like a certain group is in major damage control mode.
Comment by Raine on 02/07/2012 18:06:08
Raine on 02/07/2012 18:06:08
I'm getting ready to watch CRUUUUUz do a salsa!
Comment by livingonli on 02/07/2012 18:07:54
livingonli on 02/07/2012 18:07:54
Prop 8 has been found to be unconstitutional.
Comment by Raine on 02/07/2012 18:18:26
WOOHOO!
Raine on 02/07/2012 18:18:26
Quote by livingonli:
Prop 8 has been found to be unconstitutional.
Comment by Scoopster on 02/07/2012 18:19:08
Scoopster on 02/07/2012 18:19:08
Quote by livingonli:
Prop 8 has been found to be unconstitutional.
Comment by Raine on 02/07/2012 18:21:34
From The No8 campaign.
Raine on 02/07/2012 18:21:34
What does this mean in the now? When can same-sex couples in California begin to get married again? The imposed stay on permitting same-sex marriages will likely stand in anticipation of further appeals; but we will update this page as more information becomes available.
Comment by Raine on 02/07/2012 18:25:46
Raine on 02/07/2012 18:25:46
YEs, President Obama called coach Coughlin and congratulated the team!
Comment by Raine on 02/07/2012 20:08:00
Raine on 02/07/2012 20:08:00
Can someone please explain to me what all this birth control drama is? I'm very confused.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/07/2012 20:35:54
Which drama?
Mondobubba on 02/07/2012 20:35:54
Quote by Raine:
Can someone please explain to me what all this birth control drama is? I'm very confused.
Which drama?
Comment by Raine on 02/07/2012 20:39:46
Evidently the President signed an executive order saying that employers must allow health insurance to provide birth control?
I'm asking because I don't get it. Here, please explain.
Raine on 02/07/2012 20:39:46
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Can someone please explain to me what all this birth control drama is? I'm very confused.
Which drama?
I'm asking because I don't get it. Here, please explain.