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I need a drink
Author: Raine
Date: 03/10/2008 12:38:56
Water. Our most treasured resource. The thing none of us can live without, and we are forcing our troops to bath in tainted, filthy dirty water. but wait! there is more! Here in America, precriptions drugs have been found in our tap water.
Granted, these are trace amounts, but coupled with the issue we see happening in Iraq, it makes me very concerned for our water supply world wide. We are supposedly the greatest, richest and most powerful country in the world, and yet, our soldiers are in the Middle East bathing in water that sounds like it is from a third-world country, and here at home, we have so many chemicals in our tap water that we do not know what the long term effects actually are.
I am sure that lawmakers will be falling all over themselves wondering how this could happen. Well let me tell you how. This is just another result of no government oversite and deregulation. This is the result of those that tout free markets and competition among public utilities. This is the result of so called "Small Government" This is what happens when profits for companies like KBR become more important than the people they are supposed to serve. This is what happens when utilities have to scramble for water wherever they can find it, and don't use the resources needed to make sure our water supply is safe.
This doesn't have to happen. However, as long as people tout all the Republican policies that put these things in place, this is what we will get. You can drink to that.
:peace: and
Water Makes US Troops in Iraq Sick
Dozens of U.S. troops in Iraq fell sick at bases using "unmonitored and potentially unsafe" water supplied by the military and a contractor once owned by Vice President Dick Cheney's former company, the Pentagon's internal watchdog says.
A report obtained by The Associated Press said soldiers experienced skin abscesses, cellulitis, skin infections, diarrhea and other illnesses after using discolored, smelly water for personal hygiene and laundry at five U.S. military sites in Iraq.
The Defense Department's inspector general's report, which could be released as early as Monday, found water quality problems between March 2004 and February 2006 at three sites run by contractor KBR Inc., and between January 2004 and December 2006 at two military-operated locations.
[...]
"Therefore, water suppliers exposed U.S. forces to unmonitored and potentially unsafe water," at the military sites by late 2006, the report said.
The problems did not extend to troops' drinking water, but rather to water used for washing, bathing, shaving and cleaning. Water used for hygiene and laundry must meet minimum safety standards under military regulations because of the potential for harmful exposure through the eyes, nose, mouth, cuts and wounds.
Here are some of the key test results obtained by the AP:
• Officials in Philadelphia said testing there discovered 56 pharmaceuticals or byproducts in treated drinking water, including medicines for pain, infection, high cholesterol, asthma, epilepsy, mental illness and heart problems. Sixty-three pharmaceuticals or byproducts were found in the city's watersheds.
• Anti-epileptic and anti-anxiety medications were detected in a portion of the treated drinking water for 18.5 million people in Southern California.
• Researchers at the U.S. Geological Survey analyzed a Passaic Valley Water Commission drinking water treatment plant, which serves 850,000 people in Northern New Jersey, and found a metabolized angina medicine and the mood-stabilizing carbamazepine in drinking water.
• A sex hormone was detected in San Francisco's drinking water.
• The drinking water for Washington, D.C., and surrounding areas tested positive for six pharmaceuticals.
• Three medications, including an antibiotic, were found in drinking water supplied to Tucson, Ariz.
Granted, these are trace amounts, but coupled with the issue we see happening in Iraq, it makes me very concerned for our water supply world wide. We are supposedly the greatest, richest and most powerful country in the world, and yet, our soldiers are in the Middle East bathing in water that sounds like it is from a third-world country, and here at home, we have so many chemicals in our tap water that we do not know what the long term effects actually are.
I am sure that lawmakers will be falling all over themselves wondering how this could happen. Well let me tell you how. This is just another result of no government oversite and deregulation. This is the result of those that tout free markets and competition among public utilities. This is the result of so called "Small Government" This is what happens when profits for companies like KBR become more important than the people they are supposed to serve. This is what happens when utilities have to scramble for water wherever they can find it, and don't use the resources needed to make sure our water supply is safe.
This doesn't have to happen. However, as long as people tout all the Republican policies that put these things in place, this is what we will get. You can drink to that.
:peace: and
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Comment by 
Grumpymann on 03/10/2008 12:47:00
Grumpymann on 03/10/2008 12:47:00
Oh thanks! ChimpyMcBush!
I always wanted to drink shit, germs and drugs!
I also wonder how much of this has anything to do with Bottled water?
I always wanted to drink shit, germs and drugs!
I also wonder how much of this has anything to do with Bottled water?
Comment by Grumpymann on 03/10/2008 12:48:41
Grumpymann on 03/10/2008 12:48:41
Comment by 
Raine on 03/10/2008 12:54:38
Raine on 03/10/2008 12:54:38
Oh, bottled water. I could not even beging to go there!
I am SURE that this has a LOT to do with that little privatization issue...
I am SURE that this has a LOT to do with that little privatization issue...
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 12:55:48
Raine on 03/10/2008 12:55:48
... AND...
Good Morning Grump!
I am still trying to adjust to Daylite savings time.
Good Morning Grump!
I am still trying to adjust to Daylite savings time.
Comment by Grumpymann on 03/10/2008 13:00:07
Still up at between 4 and 5 every morning!
Grumpymann on 03/10/2008 13:00:07
Quote by Raine:
... AND...
Good Morning Grump!
Still up at between 4 and 5 every morning!
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 13:06:30
Guh.
That takes fortitude.
Raine on 03/10/2008 13:06:30
Quote by Grumpymann:Quote by Raine:
... AND...
Good Morning Grump!
Still up at between 4 and 5 every morning!
That takes fortitude.
Comment by Grumpymann on 03/10/2008 13:08:39
That is just the way things are with me, I have always gotten up early. But it has gotten worse!
Sometimes I need to leave for work at 4 a.m.
Grumpymann on 03/10/2008 13:08:39
Quote by Raine:Guh.Quote by Grumpymann:Quote by Raine:
... AND...
Good Morning Grump!
Still up at between 4 and 5 every morning!
That takes fortitude.
That is just the way things are with me, I have always gotten up early. But it has gotten worse!
Sometimes I need to leave for work at 4 a.m.
Comment by 
TriSec on 03/10/2008 13:12:12
TriSec on 03/10/2008 13:12:12
Morning, folks. Looks like just a drive-by for me today.
Thanks to my esteemed congressman (Ed Markey, D-MA) and his "New Eastern Standard Time" (If we're on daylight savings for a majority of the year, shouldn't that be the standard?), we're facing a multitude of issues here in the mines today.
Not the least of which is that batch creation failed over the weekend (affecting 100,000 claims) and the system has so far been down all morning....
:drink: <-- starting early
Thanks to my esteemed congressman (Ed Markey, D-MA) and his "New Eastern Standard Time" (If we're on daylight savings for a majority of the year, shouldn't that be the standard?), we're facing a multitude of issues here in the mines today.
Not the least of which is that batch creation failed over the weekend (affecting 100,000 claims) and the system has so far been down all morning....
:drink: <-- starting early
Comment by 
Shane-O on 03/10/2008 13:14:30
Shane-O on 03/10/2008 13:14:30
Mornin' Raine. From now on, I'm checking here before performing any of my morning rituals. I.e., if I had read this first, I would have started my day with a cocktail instead of a nice big glass of water. 
Any excuse I can find...
Any excuse I can find...
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 13:18:29
Raine on 03/10/2008 13:18:29
Well for myself, I know it is 5 oclock somewhere!
Comment by Shane-O on 03/10/2008 13:23:37
Shane-O on 03/10/2008 13:23:37
Quote by Raine:
Well for myself, I know it is 5 oclock somewhere!
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 13:30:46
Raine on 03/10/2008 13:30:46
YOu know what? I hate Monday Momma Repeats... 
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 13:36:25
Raine on 03/10/2008 13:36:25
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 13:40:13
Raine on 03/10/2008 13:40:13
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 03/10/2008 13:41:43
velveeta jones on 03/10/2008 13:41:43
Morning all! Hmmm, reading the blog whilst having a tall cool glass of wa........
Well, I guess I picked the wrong time to stop drinking!
Well, I guess I picked the wrong time to stop drinking!
Comment by 
livingonli on 03/10/2008 13:44:17
livingonli on 03/10/2008 13:44:17
Good morning everyone. 
This weekend in the salt mine was extra salty.
I was hoping to do some spring cleaning, but my body is a bit out of whack with the time change and the salt and the flaven.
BTW, Tonight is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductions are today and both Madonna and Leonard Cohen (amongst others) are being inducted.
This weekend in the salt mine was extra salty.
I was hoping to do some spring cleaning, but my body is a bit out of whack with the time change and the salt and the flaven.
BTW, Tonight is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductions are today and both Madonna and Leonard Cohen (amongst others) are being inducted.
Comment by 
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 13:48:47
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 13:48:47
Good morning! 
Comment by 
starling310 on 03/10/2008 13:49:54
starling310 on 03/10/2008 13:49:54
Good morning Blog!
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 13:51:59
Raine on 03/10/2008 13:51:59
Good morning everyone! At least now y'all know why I drink wodka... 
Comment by 
BobR on 03/10/2008 13:52:28
BobR on 03/10/2008 13:52:28
Morning everyone... :coffee:
headaches and Monday mornings are a really lousy mix... : pity party :
headaches and Monday mornings are a really lousy mix... : pity party :
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 13:52:44
livingonli on 03/10/2008 13:52:44
Good morning, jd and .
Someone's got more energy on a Monday morning than I do.
.Someone's got more energy on a Monday morning than I do.
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 13:54:24
livingonli on 03/10/2008 13:54:24
My radio is in the other room otherwise I would be listening to Democracy Now! right now. A week without Momma and no fill-in is rough indeed.
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 13:55:18
livingonli on 03/10/2008 13:55:18
How can we call it Spring Ahead for DST when it is still winter?
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 13:55:39
Raine on 03/10/2008 13:55:39
:spew: MArgaret Carlson did the squishy with {Fred_Gump} ?
Comment by 
m-hadley on 03/10/2008 13:56:47
I missed Momma last week and am jonesing for some fresh Momma, but no such luck... I am slowly getting back to the land of the living - thank you, thank you, thank you, for all of the support. You all are the best :)
Love & Cheers,
mfaye
m-hadley on 03/10/2008 13:56:47
Quote by Raine:
You know what? I hate Monday Momma Repeats...
I missed Momma last week and am jonesing for some fresh Momma, but no such luck... I am slowly getting back to the land of the living - thank you, thank you, thank you, for all of the support. You all are the best :)
Love & Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by m-hadley on 03/10/2008 13:58:41
No Vitamin V for me for awhile...
m-hadley on 03/10/2008 13:58:41
Quote by Raine:
Good morning everyone! At least now y'all know why I drink wodka...
No Vitamin V for me for awhile...
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 14:00:59
Oh, I am sooooo faking it.
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 14:00:59
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning, jd and
Someone's got more energy on a Monday morning than I do.
Oh, I am sooooo faking it.
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 14:01:00
starling310 on 03/10/2008 14:01:00
I have been asked to go to brunch on Saturday by a super cute, liberal girl.
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:01:03
:puke:
livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:01:03
Quote by Raine:
:spew: MArgaret Carlson did the squishy with {Fred_Gump} ?
:puke:
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 14:02:40
Raine on 03/10/2008 14:02:40
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 14:03:32
Raine on 03/10/2008 14:03:32
John Mellencamp and Madonna, that is some seriously wild stuff... Where did the time go?
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:05:25
When the performers you listened to when you were young make the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame does that make you feel old?
livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:05:25
Quote by Raine:
John Mellencamp and Madonna, that is some seriously wild stuff... Where did the time go?
When the performers you listened to when you were young make the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame does that make you feel old?
Comment by BobR on 03/10/2008 14:08:27
BobR on 03/10/2008 14:08:27
I think I'm going back to bed....
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:09:36
Welcome back, Faye.
livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:09:36
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by Raine:
You know what? I hate Monday Momma Repeats...
I missed Momma last week and am jonesing for some fresh Momma, but no such luck... I am slowly getting back to the land of the living - thank you, thank you, thank you, for all of the support. You all are the best :)
Love & Cheers,
mfaye
Welcome back, Faye.
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:13:06
livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:13:06
Most of the SMS show blog posts today were before the show started and producerchris still put it up from his vacation spot.
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/10/2008 14:16:44
velveeta jones on 03/10/2008 14:16:44
Hey ya'll, a friend of mine (and some of yours) made a great point about Hillary and her "experience" - she said that Hillary saying that she has foreign policy experience is like Diane Farve saying she has quarterbacking experience.
Great point. (Though I had to think about who "Farve" was - I personally, would have used a baseball comparison).
:)
Great point. (Though I had to think about who "Farve" was - I personally, would have used a baseball comparison).
:)
Comment by TriSec on 03/10/2008 14:16:54
TriSec on 03/10/2008 14:16:54
Back for more...
We've still got system problems, but things are settling down. I think I'll hit some Jazz this am, then dial up Thom this afternoon...
We've still got system problems, but things are settling down. I think I'll hit some Jazz this am, then dial up Thom this afternoon...
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 14:23:53
I am very glad to see you faye!
In other news... we have a blogger down! BobR could use some healy vibes this morning... I have supplemented him with ExcedrinMigrainePLUS! (the plus beign whatever painkillers that are in our Atlanta Water. )
Raine on 03/10/2008 14:23:53
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by Raine:
You know what? I hate Monday Momma Repeats...
I missed Momma last week and am jonesing for some fresh Momma, but no such luck... I am slowly getting back to the land of the living - thank you, thank you, thank you, for all of the support. You all are the best :)
Love & Cheers,
mfaye
In other news... we have a blogger down! BobR could use some healy vibes this morning... I have supplemented him with ExcedrinMigrainePLUS! (the plus beign whatever painkillers that are in our Atlanta Water. )
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 14:24:40
How about Victoria Beckam playing soccer?
Raine on 03/10/2008 14:24:40
Quote by velveeta jones:
Hey ya'll, a friend of mine (and some of yours) made a great point about Hillary and her "experience" - she said that Hillary saying that she has foreign policy experience is like Diane Farve saying she has quarterbacking experience.
Great point. (Though I had to think about who "Farve" was - I personally, would have used a baseball comparison).
:)
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 14:24:44
:hug:
FAYE!
starling310 on 03/10/2008 14:24:44
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by Raine:
You know what? I hate Monday Momma Repeats...
I missed Momma last week and am jonesing for some fresh Momma, but no such luck... I am slowly getting back to the land of the living - thank you, thank you, thank you, for all of the support. You all are the best :)
Love & Cheers,
mfaye
:hug:
FAYE!
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 14:25:35
Cool!
Raine on 03/10/2008 14:25:35
Quote by starling310:
I have been asked to go to brunch on Saturday by a super cute, liberal girl.
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 14:25:53
starling310 on 03/10/2008 14:25:53
{{{{{{ healy schmealy vibes }}}}}}} for Bobber.
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:25:53
livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:25:53
Heads up Admins. I think Mala can't get in.
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 14:26:26
starling310 on 03/10/2008 14:26:26
Quote by Raine:Cool!Quote by starling310:
I have been asked to go to brunch on Saturday by a super cute, liberal girl.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 14:27:09
Raine on 03/10/2008 14:27:09
Quote by jd_in_ny:Quote by livingonli:
Good morning, jd and
Someone's got more energy on a Monday morning than I do.
Oh, I am sooooo faking it.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 14:29:12
Tell her to type in "password" and then go back and change her password again!
Raine on 03/10/2008 14:29:12
Quote by livingonli:
Heads up Admins. I think Mala can't get in.
Comment by TriSec on 03/10/2008 14:29:56
TriSec on 03/10/2008 14:29:56
Before Bobr logged off this morning, his IM had the message "drinking beer".
Do you think that could be the problem?
Do you think that could be the problem?
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 14:34:02
HAH! We were good kids last nite!
Raine on 03/10/2008 14:34:02
Quote by TriSec:
Before Bobr logged off this morning, his IM had the message "drinking beer".
Do you think that could be the problem?
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:36:28
She just said it didn't work.
livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:36:28
Quote by Raine:Tell her to type in "password" and then go back and change her password again!Quote by livingonli:
Heads up Admins. I think Mala can't get in.
She just said it didn't work.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 14:37:45
Raine on 03/10/2008 14:37:45
I wonder why Momma didn't get a fill in for the week... I am sure Sam seder is available fr freelancing...
I am sure Sam seder is available fr freelancing...
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:39:54
I don't know if Jones would use Sam. (It would be ironic though). I think Sam is filling in for Thom on Tuesday. Other than Mike Malloy, he is only filling in for Air America hosts.
livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:39:54
Quote by Raine:
I wonder why Momma didn't get a fill in for the week...
I don't know if Jones would use Sam. (It would be ironic though). I think Sam is filling in for Thom on Tuesday. Other than Mike Malloy, he is only filling in for Air America hosts.
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 14:40:13
starling310 on 03/10/2008 14:40:13
Quote by TriSec:
Before Bobr logged off this morning, his IM had the message "drinking beer".
Do you think that could be the problem?
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 14:40:45
wicked_pam
password
(Case sensitive)
Raine on 03/10/2008 14:40:45
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:Tell her to type in "password" and then go back and change her password again!Quote by livingonli:
Heads up Admins. I think Mala can't get in.
She just said it didn't work.
wicked_pam
password
(Case sensitive)
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/10/2008 14:43:28
velveeta jones on 03/10/2008 14:43:28
FOOD FIGHT!!
oh. my. God. This is really good!
oh. my. God. This is really good!
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 14:43:50
starling310 on 03/10/2008 14:43:50
Poor Mala...pressing her nose up against the Blog window....watching all of us in here....whilst she stands in the cold.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 14:45:18
YEah, you could be right about that. Friggin Ed.
And yes, the irony would indeed be delicious!
Raine on 03/10/2008 14:45:18
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:
I wonder why Momma didn't get a fill in for the week...
I don't know if Jones would use Sam. (It would be ironic though). I think Sam is filling in for Thom on Tuesday. Other than Mike Malloy, he is only filling in for Air America hosts.
And yes, the irony would indeed be delicious!
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:46:29
livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:46:29
Raine, Mala's on IM if you want to guide her through getting back in.
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:47:48
Yahoo! Messenger to be exact.
livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:47:48
Quote by livingonli:
Raine, Mala's on IM if you want to guide her through getting back in.
Yahoo! Messenger to be exact.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 14:49:08
I am doing all I can cap'n! With our code monkey down, and our fellow admin encased in salt, I am doin all I can!
If none of that works, tell her to reregister.
She can also try *wickedpam /password*
Raine on 03/10/2008 14:49:08
Quote by starling310:
Poor Mala...pressing her nose up against the Blog window....watching all of us in here....whilst she stands in the cold.
If none of that works, tell her to reregister.
She can also try *wickedpam /password*
Comment by 
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 14:50:24
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 14:50:24
HEY!
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 14:50:43
Raine on 03/10/2008 14:50:43
:clown: is cruel for leaving us with the EARWORM *best of*.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 14:51:34
EVEN BETTAH! Welcome Mala!
When BobR get's back up I will have him look into this more.
Raine on 03/10/2008 14:51:34
Quote by mala:
HEY!
When BobR get's back up I will have him look into this more.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2008 14:53:55
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 14:53:55
Had to register a new name and everything
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 14:54:14
Raine on 03/10/2008 14:54:14
eep. I took a little look see over at the SMS blog, and even with a best of, nastiness ensues.
Goodness gosh golly!
Goodness gosh golly!
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:54:56
Well at least you're in. Can you get into the message board?
livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:54:56
Quote by mala:
HEY!
Well at least you're in. Can you get into the message board?
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 14:55:58
Oh no...no more Wicked Pam?
Wicked pissah.
starling310 on 03/10/2008 14:55:58
Quote by mala:
Had to register a new name and everything
Oh no...no more Wicked Pam?
Wicked pissah.
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 14:56:39
I like our cozy little Romper Room, where everyone knows your name and no one is ever mean or nasty.
:hug:
starling310 on 03/10/2008 14:56:39
Quote by Raine:
eep. I took a little look see over at the SMS blog, and even with a best of, nastiness ensues.
Goodness gosh golly!
I like our cozy little Romper Room, where everyone knows your name and no one is ever mean or nasty.
:hug:
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:58:06
Hopefully when the sleepy Admin wakes up, he can get wickedpam her name back.
livingonli on 03/10/2008 14:58:06
Quote by starling310:Quote by mala:
Had to register a new name and everything
Oh no...no more Wicked Pam?
Wicked pissah.
Hopefully when the sleepy Admin wakes up, he can get wickedpam her name back.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2008 14:58:23
I can use this one until he feels better - I was just feeling rather
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 14:58:23
Quote by Raine:EVEN BETTAH! Welcome Mala!Quote by mala:
HEY!
When BobR get's back up I will have him look into this more.
I can use this one until he feels better - I was just feeling rather
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 14:58:28
Raine on 03/10/2008 14:58:28
You know what is scary? This show is a repeat, and the news is still the fucking same.
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 14:59:39
starling310 on 03/10/2008 14:59:39
Quote by mala:Quote by Raine:EVEN BETTAH! Welcome Mala!Quote by mala:
HEY!
When BobR get's back up I will have him look into this more.
I can use this one until he feels better - I was just feeling rather
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 14:59:56
Raine on 03/10/2008 14:59:56
:hug: I am sorry you are having such a tough time this monday Mala. HEre you want a little KBR™ bottled water? How about some of that fine tap water?
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2008 15:04:13
Yeah I was on the MB just fine.
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 15:04:13
Quote by livingonli:Quote by mala:
HEY!
Well at least you're in. Can you get into the message board?
Yeah I was on the MB just fine.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2008 15:05:32
yeah - um - think I'll pass. ;)
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 15:05:32
Quote by Raine:
:hug: I am sorry you are having such a tough time this monday Mala. HEre you want a little KBR™ bottled water? How about some of that fine tap water?
yeah - um - think I'll pass. ;)
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 15:09:42
Raine on 03/10/2008 15:09:42
BTW, I added a link to the participation ribbon in our linky section.
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 15:09:49
I now have to wonder what's in my medicine when I drink a cup to wash down my medicine. :nerves:
livingonli on 03/10/2008 15:09:49
Quote by mala:Quote by Raine:
:hug: I am sorry you are having such a tough time this monday Mala. HEre you want a little KBR™ bottled water? How about some of that fine tap water?
yeah - um - think I'll pass. ;)
I now have to wonder what's in my medicine when I drink a cup to wash down my medicine. :nerves:
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 15:11:03
How about the gin drawing? Or the batwoman drawing you used to post at AAP?
livingonli on 03/10/2008 15:11:03
Quote by Raine:
BTW, I added a link to the participation ribbon in our linky section.
How about the gin drawing? Or the batwoman drawing you used to post at AAP?
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 15:11:17
Just for that, you get a participation ribbon.
starling310 on 03/10/2008 15:11:17
Quote by Raine:
BTW, I added a link to the participation ribbon in our linky section.
Just for that, you get a participation ribbon.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 15:11:43
Raine on 03/10/2008 15:11:43
:rofl: 
still cracks me up with his disdain for Stairway to heaven.
still cracks me up with his disdain for Stairway to heaven.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 15:13:04
Raine on 03/10/2008 15:13:04
I think I know the REAL reason why Bobber went back to bed, he KNEW I would be singing along to the earworms today!!
Don't cryYYY out loud!!!
Don't cryYYY out loud!!!
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 15:14:49
:bad: no no. Those are to be used sparingly, the participation ribbon is for everyone.
Raine on 03/10/2008 15:14:49
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:
BTW, I added a link to the participation ribbon in our linky section.
How about the gin drawing? Or the batwoman drawing you used to post at AAP?
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 15:18:00
Raine on 03/10/2008 15:18:00
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 15:18:38
Why did they do an ear worm show again? They did that last time Momma was on vacation.
Listening to All Songs Considered.
starling310 on 03/10/2008 15:18:38
Quote by Raine:
I think I know the REAL reason why Bobber went back to bed, he KNEW I would be singing along to the earworms today!!
Don't cryYYY out loud!!!
Why did they do an ear worm show again? They did that last time Momma was on vacation.
Listening to All Songs Considered.
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 15:21:20
livingonli on 03/10/2008 15:21:20
Mgm's back from his hiatus.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 15:22:23
on the NPR mosheen? I am just to lazy to switch over today.
Getting up and down and doing this at that. I figure pfff. I still like these songs.
Raine on 03/10/2008 15:22:23
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
I think I know the REAL reason why Bobber went back to bed, he KNEW I would be singing along to the earworms today!!
Don't cryYYY out loud!!!
Why did they do an ear worm show again? They did that last time Momma was on vacation.
Listening to All Songs Considered.
Getting up and down and doing this at that. I figure pfff. I still like these songs.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 15:25:47
Raine on 03/10/2008 15:25:47
Whatever will poppy bush do?!?!?! :waiting:
Carlyle Fund Seeks Halt to Liquidation
LONDON — The Carlyle Group’s troubled mortgage-debt investment fund, Carlyle Capital, said on Monday that it had asked lenders to halt further liquidation of collateral worth as much as $16 billion while the two sides discuss ways to repay debt.
The fund, which invests mainly in triple-A rated mortgage securities issued by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, has received $400 million in margin calls, and some of its lenders started to liquidate collateral for $5 billion of debt. Banks are asking for their money back amid concerns the economic climate may deteriorate further.
The Carlyle fund said on Monday that it “requested a standstill agreement whereby its lenders would refrain from foreclosing and liquidating their collateral, and we are awaiting responses.”
Comment by 
MMB on 03/10/2008 15:28:34
MMB on 03/10/2008 15:28:34
HI, I tried to use the boards to ask for help but for about 2 days I have not been able to log in to MB. I have no problems with blog. Can anyone please helppppppp me? Have a great day. I was thinking about the drugs in the water maybe thats my problem with depression my meds are interacting with the water AH HA I am cured!!!! Wishful thinking and better days to anyone that suffers from DEPRESSION it truly SUCKS!!!!
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 15:36:30
Once one of our admins gets back, I will have them look into it, I can't seem to find anything, since I don't know your password. HAve you tried a password retrieval?
Raine on 03/10/2008 15:36:30
Quote by MMB:
HI, I tried to use the boards to ask for help but for about 2 days I have not been able to log in to MB. I have no problems with blog. Can anyone please helppppppp me? Have a great day. I was thinking about the drugs in the water maybe thats my problem with depression my meds are interacting with the water AH HA I am cured!!!! Wishful thinking and better days to anyone that suffers from DEPRESSION it truly SUCKS!!!!
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 15:36:53
livingonli on 03/10/2008 15:36:53
The SMS live blog hasn't been as active today. It's gonna be slow until Momma gets back.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 15:37:12
Raine on 03/10/2008 15:37:12
:( I miss John Edwards...
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 15:41:01
:hug:
Yeah. . .
starling310 on 03/10/2008 15:41:01
Quote by Raine:
:( I miss John Edwards...
:hug:
Yeah. . .
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2008 15:43:49
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 15:43:49
Me too...
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 15:45:40
Raine on 03/10/2008 15:45:40
Does anyone know where I can get information regarding new Obama endorsements?
I just read that The former Secretaries of the Army, Navy and The Air Force during the Clinton Administration will be endorsing Obama at 1 p.m. today.
That is kinda a big endorsement if this is true.
I just read that The former Secretaries of the Army, Navy and The Air Force during the Clinton Administration will be endorsing Obama at 1 p.m. today.
That is kinda a big endorsement if this is true.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2008 15:49:19
They have this
list on THe Hill
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 15:49:19
Quote by Raine:
Does anyone know where I can get information regarding new Obama endorsements?
I just read that The former Secretaries of the Army, Navy and The Air Force during the Clinton Administration will be endorsing Obama at 1 p.m. today.
That is kinda a big endorsement if this is true.
They have this
list on THe Hill
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 15:54:02
Raine on 03/10/2008 15:54:02
And now I miss Dennis...:(
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 16:05:39
starling310 on 03/10/2008 16:05:39
:hug:
Yeah....
Dennis.....
:cry:
Yeah....
Dennis.....
:cry:
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/10/2008 16:07:35
velveeta jones on 03/10/2008 16:07:35
OOOOOOWEEEEEE!
:rofl: We just had a Jehovah Witness person come knocking on our door! With Velveeta just gettin' out of the shower. I took her little "literature" then said "Hey, can I have another copy for my wife?" All while holding my snarling dog back from killing her.
TeeHeeeeee! :D
:rofl: We just had a Jehovah Witness person come knocking on our door! With Velveeta just gettin' out of the shower. I took her little "literature" then said "Hey, can I have another copy for my wife?" All while holding my snarling dog back from killing her.
TeeHeeeeee! :D
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 16:12:12
<----- literally!
That was awesome.
starling310 on 03/10/2008 16:12:12
Quote by velveeta jones:
OOOOOOWEEEEEE!
:rofl: We just had a Jehovah Witness person come knocking on our door! With Velveeta just gettin' out of the shower. I took her little "literature" then said "Hey, can I have another copy for my wife?" All while holding my snarling dog back from killing her.
TeeHeeeeee! :D
<----- literally! That was awesome.
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 16:16:01
starling310 on 03/10/2008 16:16:01
OMG. If this guy keeps talking over Thom, I am going to THROTTLE HIM!
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 16:17:53
starling310 on 03/10/2008 16:17:53
Wassup with the Air America flagship station having dead air during the commercial breaks? That can't be a good sign.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 16:18:47
Raine on 03/10/2008 16:18:47
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 16:19:34
Raine on 03/10/2008 16:19:34
What is it about people who feel that they need to Over talk and YELL to get thier point across?
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 16:20:42
Raine on 03/10/2008 16:20:42
Velveeta, if I ever get a JW at my door, I am going to use that line.... :D
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 16:21:56
Raine on 03/10/2008 16:21:56
So Thom leaves for Darfur tomorrow, right? 
he is a brave man.
he is a brave man.
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 16:29:11
Oh...whatever greater being that exists out there, watch over him.
starling310 on 03/10/2008 16:29:11
Quote by Raine:
So Thom leaves for Darfur tomorrow, right?
Oh...whatever greater being that exists out there, watch over him.
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 16:33:07
They seem to do that on the stream for some reason. I don't know why they have music or something to fill the breaks on the stream. I am actually listening via the radio (how quaint) and the commercials are there. Right now, they have a traffic report.
livingonli on 03/10/2008 16:33:07
Quote by starling310:
Wassup with the Air America flagship station having dead air during the commercial breaks? That can't be a good sign.
They seem to do that on the stream for some reason. I don't know why they have music or something to fill the breaks on the stream. I am actually listening via the radio (how quaint) and the commercials are there. Right now, they have a traffic report.
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 16:43:15
starling310 on 03/10/2008 16:43:15
Oh, okay good. I was afraid they weren't getting advertising.
Comment by TriSec on 03/10/2008 16:44:05
TriSec on 03/10/2008 16:44:05
Quick quiz: Titanic or Stock Market?
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 16:47:01
starling310 on 03/10/2008 16:47:01
Hmm...I thought maybe it was Congress's Approval Rating.
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 16:47:29
Both? And the housing market as well as the US economy in general.
Thank you President Bush.
livingonli on 03/10/2008 16:47:29
Quote by TriSec:
Quick quiz: Titanic or Stock Market?
Both? And the housing market as well as the US economy in general.
Thank you President Bush.
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 16:49:47
I miss him too. At least he still has his seat in the House.
livingonli on 03/10/2008 16:49:47
Quote by starling310:
:hug:
Yeah....
Dennis.....
:cry:
I miss him too.
At least he still has his seat in the House.
Comment by BobR on 03/10/2008 16:59:25
BobR on 03/10/2008 16:59:25
mala - try logging in again with your normal login. I reset the password and permissions.
Comment by BobR on 03/10/2008 17:02:39
On the login screen, there should be a link for "reset password". That should cause the board to create a new random password and email it to you. Once you get the email, you can login and change your password to whatever you prefer.
FWIW - there is a link here on the blog (conveniently located in the "Links" section ) for "4F: Contact the Staff". You can use this anytime you have a problem on the board OR on the blog...
BobR on 03/10/2008 17:02:39
Quote by MMB:
HI, I tried to use the boards to ask for help but for about 2 days I have not been able to log in to MB. I have no problems with blog. Can anyone please helppppppp me? Have a great day.
On the login screen, there should be a link for "reset password". That should cause the board to create a new random password and email it to you. Once you get the email, you can login and change your password to whatever you prefer.
FWIW - there is a link here on the blog (conveniently located in the "Links" section
) for "4F: Contact the Staff". You can use this anytime you have a problem on the board OR on the blog...
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2008 17:05:26
It wouldn't let me log in at all just kept getting that Error message we got once before
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 17:05:26
Quote by BobR:
mala - try logging in again with your normal login. I reset the password and permissions.
It wouldn't let me log in at all just kept getting that Error message we got once before
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2008 17:10:18
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 17:10:18
Poor baby he ate soup as a kid - we had macaroni and milk.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2008 17:10:48
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 17:10:48
God - what a whiner!
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 17:11:00
starling310 on 03/10/2008 17:11:00
I was just thinking that Mala. . .
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 17:11:35
starling310 on 03/10/2008 17:11:35
Because history repeats itself for those who don't know it. JACKASS!
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 17:12:07
starling310 on 03/10/2008 17:12:07
I love how Thom, so eloquently, says "BRING IT ON BEEYATCH!"
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 17:14:26
livingonli on 03/10/2008 17:14:26
I wish I was suffering the pain of the rich. I am suffering the pain of the downwardly mobile. This guy is about as in touch with the common man as George W. Bush.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2008 17:14:31
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 17:14:31
The PAIN of wealthy people! :thud:
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 17:15:15
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 17:15:15
ah, let's insult the liberals.
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 17:15:42
starling310 on 03/10/2008 17:15:42
Dear God, please let me suffer the plight of Warren Buffet.
Sh*t, I'd settle to suffer the plight of Jimmy Buffet.
Sh*t, I'd settle to suffer the plight of Jimmy Buffet.
Comment by BobR on 03/10/2008 17:16:13
ok - I went in through the backdoor and copy&pasted the password you're using for this login to your other user name (it's encrypted, so I can't read what it is).
Try again using this password...
BobR on 03/10/2008 17:16:13
Quote by mala:
It wouldn't let me log in at all just kept getting that Error message we got once before
ok - I went in through the backdoor and copy&pasted the password you're using for this login to your other user name (it's encrypted, so I can't read what it is).
Try again using this password...
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 17:17:54
starling310 on 03/10/2008 17:17:54
I wonder if Thom's views will EVER sink in with these people. 
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 17:18:02
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 17:18:02
It's easy to choose inequality when you're on the side getting the good stuff - the big trick has been convincing all the schmucks that THEY can get on the "good" side too. Amazing.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2008 17:18:59
That worked!
:clap: throws roses :clap:
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 17:18:59
Quote by BobR:Quote by mala:
It wouldn't let me log in at all just kept getting that Error message we got once before
ok - I went in through the backdoor and copy&pasted the password you're using for this login to your other user name (it's encrypted, so I can't read what it is).
Try again using this password...
That worked!
:clap: throws roses :clap:
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 17:20:19
Probably not.
Oh, it's so tough being rich and not having to work at a crappy job for a living.
He sounds like one of those Infomercial pitchmen selling get rich quick schemes.
livingonli on 03/10/2008 17:20:19
Quote by starling310:
I wonder if Thom's views will EVER sink in with these people.
Probably not.
Oh, it's so tough being rich and not having to work at a crappy job for a living.
He sounds like one of those Infomercial pitchmen selling get rich quick schemes.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2008 17:20:38
Just so you don't suffer the plight of the Las Vegas lunch Buffet.
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 17:20:38
Quote by starling310:
Dear God, please let me suffer the plight of Warren Buffet.
Sh*t, I'd settle to suffer the plight of Jimmy Buffet.
Just so you don't suffer the plight of the Las Vegas lunch Buffet.
Comment by BobR on 03/10/2008 17:21:18
yay!
okay - I am gonna change the posts you made today from "mala" to "wickedpam" and then delete "mala".
BobR on 03/10/2008 17:21:18
Quote by wickedpam:
That worked!
:clap: throws roses :clap:
yay!
okay - I am gonna change the posts you made today from "mala" to "wickedpam" and then delete "mala".
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 17:23:05
Unless it's the one at the Rio. That's a damn good buffet.
livingonli on 03/10/2008 17:23:05
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
Dear God, please let me suffer the plight of Warren Buffet.
Sh*t, I'd settle to suffer the plight of Jimmy Buffet.
Just so you don't suffer the plight of the Las Vegas lunch Buffet.
Unless it's the one at the Rio. That's a damn good buffet.
Comment by BobR on 03/10/2008 17:25:15
That's it exactly. I never understand when someone that's living hand-to-mouth (or even middle class) complains that liberals are always trying to raise taxes on the rich. I think people either have an inflated view of where they are on the economic scale, or they assume they're going to be rich in the near future and don't want to have to pay the taxes.
I always felt like I'd be VERY happy to be paying taxes in the 6-figure range, because it would mean I was doing VERY well financially.
BobR on 03/10/2008 17:25:15
Quote by jd_in_ny:
It's easy to choose inequality when you're on the side getting the good stuff - the big trick has been convincing all the schmucks that THEY can get on the "good" side too. Amazing.
That's it exactly. I never understand when someone that's living hand-to-mouth (or even middle class) complains that liberals are always trying to raise taxes on the rich. I think people either have an inflated view of where they are on the economic scale, or they assume they're going to be rich in the near future and don't want to have to pay the taxes.
I always felt like I'd be VERY happy to be paying taxes in the 6-figure range, because it would mean I was doing VERY well financially.
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 17:27:00
starling310 on 03/10/2008 17:27:00
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
Dear God, please let me suffer the plight of Warren Buffet.
Sh*t, I'd settle to suffer the plight of Jimmy Buffet.
Just so you don't suffer the plight of the Las Vegas lunch Buffet.
Comment by BobR on 03/10/2008 17:27:58
Ooooh... elderly retirees with plaid pants and thick glasses and leathery skin from being in the sun too much picking over your innards like buzzards in the desert with some rotting carrion....
BobR on 03/10/2008 17:27:58
Quote by wickedpam:
Just so you don't suffer the plight of the Las Vegas lunch Buffet.
Ooooh... elderly retirees with plaid pants and thick glasses and leathery skin from being in the sun too much picking over your innards like buzzards in the desert with some rotting carrion....
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 17:28:18
livingonli on 03/10/2008 17:28:18
What about the Atlantic City buffet?
Come to think of it, I don't think I saw one there.
Come to think of it, I don't think I saw one there.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 17:29:52
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 17:29:52
I had a conservative friend who told me the only reason he wasn't rich was because he was lazy -- if he worked harder, he'd have more. I couldn't continue the politics/economics talk with him after that because the mind just boggles
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 17:31:44
livingonli on 03/10/2008 17:31:44
Actually the only reason I would want to be rich is so I could be lazy by not having to work for a living.
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 17:39:10
So...those poor saps working 3 jobs are all millionaires.
starling310 on 03/10/2008 17:39:10
Quote by jd_in_ny:
I had a conservative friend who told me the only reason he wasn't rich was because he was lazy -- if he worked harder, he'd have more. I couldn't continue the politics/economics talk with him after that because the mind just boggles
So...those poor saps working 3 jobs are all millionaires.
Comment by TriSec on 03/10/2008 17:39:26
TriSec on 03/10/2008 17:39:26
Dow down another 75 today, down 10% year to date...
Any of our history whizzes know, how much did the Dow drop on the original "Black Tuesday" (1929)?
Is it a depression yet?
Any of our history whizzes know, how much did the Dow drop on the original "Black Tuesday" (1929)?
Is it a depression yet?
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2008 17:40:24
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 17:40:24
I had to point out to someone over the weekend that while they pay more taxes in Europe - they have a better quality of life then we do. That was pretty much the end of the conversation.
Comment by BobR on 03/10/2008 17:41:09
It would be great to not have to work for a living. That would give me more time for music and activism.
BobR on 03/10/2008 17:41:09
Quote by livingonli:
Actually the only reason I would want to be rich is so I could be lazy by not having to work for a living.
It would be great to not have to work for a living. That would give me more time for music and activism.
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 17:49:12
livingonli on 03/10/2008 17:49:12
And I have been a slacker today. I have to go out and run errands and I have been mostly on the internet since I woke up.
See y'all in a bit.
See y'all in a bit.
Comment by TriSec on 03/10/2008 17:58:53
TriSec on 03/10/2008 17:58:53
Ya know, If I were rich, I'd be blogging from my beachfront home in Palm Beach, waiting for Javi to get out of his ritzy private school and seeing where I might be able to fly this weekend in our Avanti......
But that wouldn't preclude me from paying my fair share, nor using the resources I had to improve the political situation for the rest of us..
I think maybe that's the problem with the rich. With few exceptions, their attitude is "I got mine, so everyone else can go to hell."
But that wouldn't preclude me from paying my fair share, nor using the resources I had to improve the political situation for the rest of us..
I think maybe that's the problem with the rich. With few exceptions, their attitude is "I got mine, so everyone else can go to hell."
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2008 18:01:32
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 18:01:32
Ya know what - I don't care about being "rich" all I want is to have enough money to pay off all my debit and my mom's, get the occisanal new car with out having to finace it for 5 years and have some to go on a real vacation a couple times a year to places I want to go.
Comment by TriSec on 03/10/2008 18:23:01
TriSec on 03/10/2008 18:23:01
Yeah, funny about us middle class types.
I want a house. (not 3 or 4....just one.)
I'd like new cars every few years for everyone. (not 25 that I'll never drive, just some nice ones for everyday use.)
Javier needs to go to college. Hell, not even Harvard, I'd be happy with being able to afford UMass Amherst at this point.
When the TriSecs are old, I want money to live comfortably and then dispose of our remains without saddling Javi with additional expenses.
Is that too much to ask?
I want a house. (not 3 or 4....just one.)
I'd like new cars every few years for everyone. (not 25 that I'll never drive, just some nice ones for everyday use.)
Javier needs to go to college. Hell, not even Harvard, I'd be happy with being able to afford UMass Amherst at this point.
When the TriSecs are old, I want money to live comfortably and then dispose of our remains without saddling Javi with additional expenses.
Is that too much to ask?
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 18:25:16
starling310 on 03/10/2008 18:25:16
From CNN:
New York Times reports Gov. Eliot Spitzer admits involvement in a prostitution ring.
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 18:26:20
It is NOT too much to ask.
I would even consider trading that 1 car for a GOOD PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM!
starling310 on 03/10/2008 18:26:20
Quote by TriSec:
Yeah, funny about us middle class types.
I want a house. (not 3 or 4....just one.)
I'd like new cars every few years for everyone. (not 25 that I'll never drive, just some nice ones for everyday use.)
Javier needs to go to college. Hell, not even Harvard, I'd be happy with being able to afford UMass Amherst at this point.
When the TriSecs are old, I want money to live comfortably and then dispose of our remains without saddling Javi with additional expenses.
Is that too much to ask?
It is NOT too much to ask.
I would even consider trading that 1 car for a GOOD PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM!
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 18:29:54
Oh no!
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 18:29:54
Quote by starling310:
From CNN:New York Times reports Gov. Eliot Spitzer admits involvement in a prostitution ring.
Oh no!
Comment by TriSec on 03/10/2008 18:35:05
TriSec on 03/10/2008 18:35:05
Eliot Spitzer (D-NY) linked to prostitution ring
ALBANY - Gov. Eliot Spitzer has informed his most senior administration officials that he had been involved in a prostitution ring, an administration official said this morning.
Mr. Spitzer, who was huddled with his top aides inside his Fifth Avenue apartment early this afternoon, had hours earlier abruptly canceled his scheduled public events for the day. He scheduled an announcement for 2:15 after inquiries from the Times.
Mr. Spitzer, a first term Democrat who pledged to bring ethics reform an end the often seamy ways of Albany, is married with three children.
Just last week, federal prosecutors arrested four people in connection with an expensive prostitution operation. Administration officials would not say that this was the ring with which the governor had become involved.
But a person with knowledge of the governor’s role said that the person believes the governor is one of the men identified as clients in court papers.
The governor’s travel records show that he was in Washington in mid-February. One of the clients described in court papers arranged to meet with a prostitute who was part of the ring, the Emperors Club VIP on the night of Feb. 13.
Mr. Spitzer appeared on a CNBC television show at 7 a.m. the next morning. Later in the morning, he testified before a Congressional committee.
An affidavit filed in federal court in Manhattan in connection with that case lists six conversations between the man, identified as Client 9, and a booking agent for the Emperors Club.
He had a difficult first year in office, rocked by a mix of scandal and legislative setbacks. In recent weeks, however, Mr. Spitzer seemed to have rebounded, with his Democratic party poised to perhaps gain control of the state Senate for the first time in four decades.
Mr. Spitzer gained national attention when he served as attorney general with his relentless pursuit of Wall Street wrongdoing. As attorney general, he also had prosecuted at least two prostitution rings as head of the state’s organized crime task force.
In one such case in 2004, Mr. Spitzer spoke with revulsion and anger after announcing the arrest of 16 people for operating a high-end prostitution ring out of Staten Island.
“”This was a sophisticated and lucrative operation with a multitiered management structure,” Mr. Spitzer said at the time. ”It was, however, nothing more than a prostitution ring.”
ALBANY - Gov. Eliot Spitzer has informed his most senior administration officials that he had been involved in a prostitution ring, an administration official said this morning.
Mr. Spitzer, who was huddled with his top aides inside his Fifth Avenue apartment early this afternoon, had hours earlier abruptly canceled his scheduled public events for the day. He scheduled an announcement for 2:15 after inquiries from the Times.
Mr. Spitzer, a first term Democrat who pledged to bring ethics reform an end the often seamy ways of Albany, is married with three children.
Just last week, federal prosecutors arrested four people in connection with an expensive prostitution operation. Administration officials would not say that this was the ring with which the governor had become involved.
But a person with knowledge of the governor’s role said that the person believes the governor is one of the men identified as clients in court papers.
The governor’s travel records show that he was in Washington in mid-February. One of the clients described in court papers arranged to meet with a prostitute who was part of the ring, the Emperors Club VIP on the night of Feb. 13.
Mr. Spitzer appeared on a CNBC television show at 7 a.m. the next morning. Later in the morning, he testified before a Congressional committee.
An affidavit filed in federal court in Manhattan in connection with that case lists six conversations between the man, identified as Client 9, and a booking agent for the Emperors Club.
He had a difficult first year in office, rocked by a mix of scandal and legislative setbacks. In recent weeks, however, Mr. Spitzer seemed to have rebounded, with his Democratic party poised to perhaps gain control of the state Senate for the first time in four decades.
Mr. Spitzer gained national attention when he served as attorney general with his relentless pursuit of Wall Street wrongdoing. As attorney general, he also had prosecuted at least two prostitution rings as head of the state’s organized crime task force.
In one such case in 2004, Mr. Spitzer spoke with revulsion and anger after announcing the arrest of 16 people for operating a high-end prostitution ring out of Staten Island.
“”This was a sophisticated and lucrative operation with a multitiered management structure,” Mr. Spitzer said at the time. ”It was, however, nothing more than a prostitution ring.”
Comment by BobR on 03/10/2008 19:15:01
BobR on 03/10/2008 19:15:01
extreme disappointment with Sptizer... :o
The Repubs will have a field day with this.
The Repubs will have a field day with this.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 19:19:34
Raine on 03/10/2008 19:19:34
:thud: Listening right now to MSNBC, Alan Derschowitz has said that he indeed DID hire a prostitute, but denies him being involved with the ring itself. According to Derschowitz, he was a "John" and accuses the NYT of a far-reaching headline. ..... I have placed a phone call to a few friends in NY to see what the local spin is. PLUS... we have a good few NY's here... what are your ears to the ground saying? I find it VERY hard to believe that he would be involved with Money Laundering and a prostitution ring. ...
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 19:20:42
Raine on 03/10/2008 19:20:42
IF he is involved, this being an election year... well, yes, if he stays, the repubs will have a field day with this. I know Elliot has not bode well for him in NY lately.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 19:31:08
Raine on 03/10/2008 19:31:08
:thud:WOW. First MSNBC goes to Tucker for his balanced punditry and then they interview PETER KING...
I despise the man, but that isn't the point
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 19:35:42
Raine on 03/10/2008 19:35:42
What the hell is eliots approval rating these days in NY? I heard he isn't very roundly making people happy.
JD? Liv?
Comment by TriSec on 03/10/2008 19:41:38
TriSec on 03/10/2008 19:41:38
Hmm, I'm only 3 hours east from there. Admittedly, the Boston media doesn't pay much attention to the Empire State (except in baseball season), but there haven't been any rumblings about anything this way.
(compare to the remaining New England states...I at least have a small idea what's going on around this corner of the Northeast....but New York, not so much. )
(compare to the remaining New England states...I at least have a small idea what's going on around this corner of the Northeast....but New York, not so much.
)
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2008 19:42:25
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 19:42:25
If SOMEHOW Hills wins the nom, Randi has dug herself a very deep hole.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 19:42:28
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 19:42:28
Spitzer's press conference - his wife with him - "this is a private matter", apologized to family, etc., didn't take questions. Very brief.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 19:45:00
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 19:45:00
I first heard about this on this blog an hour ago. I can say that I have been disappointed with the lack of forward progress, and some missteps, that have happened since he took office, and this feels like yet another blow (so to speak). I feel deflated.
Comment by TriSec on 03/10/2008 19:45:41
TriSec on 03/10/2008 19:45:41
Today's Dow: (15 minutes to close)
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 19:46:05
I was thinking the same thing
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 19:46:05
Quote by wickedpam:
If SOMEHOW Hills wins the nom, Randi has dug herself a very deep hole.
I was thinking the same thing
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 20:01:04
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 20:01:04
I'm a little perplexed as to how Randi is helping the Democratic Party with her current tone.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2008 20:10:46
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 20:10:46
Exactly.
Comment by starling310 on 03/10/2008 20:14:37
Mmmmhmmm....
I tend to tune out a lot lately....
Randi. Randi. Randi.
starling310 on 03/10/2008 20:14:37
Quote by jd_in_ny:
I'm a little perplexed as to how Randi is helping the Democratic Party with her current tone.
Mmmmhmmm....
I tend to tune out a lot lately....
Randi. Randi. Randi.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 20:32:50
Raine on 03/10/2008 20:32:50
OK, I spent the past hour on the phone with my NY ears... What did randi say and do now???
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2008 20:35:17
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 20:35:17
She pretty much just continued her rant from Friday.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2008 20:36:26
wickedpam on 03/10/2008 20:36:26
From DCRTV
Confirmed: MSNBC Bounces Tucker, Gregory Is Replacement - 3/10 - It's official. There were rumors this morning, and now AP confirms that the bow tie is out at MNSBC. DC-based NBC White House correspondent David Gregory is replacing DC-based Tucker Carlson (right) as host of a one-hour show each evening. The news network is making a handful of changes to respond to heavy political interest. Gregory's new show is called "Race For the White House" and will be on each weekday at 6 PM starting next Monday. Carlson has been at MSNBC for nearly three years. MSNBC also says that Andrea Mitchell will anchor an hour each afternoon. Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" program will rerun every night at 10.....
Confirmed: MSNBC Bounces Tucker, Gregory Is Replacement - 3/10 - It's official. There were rumors this morning, and now AP confirms that the bow tie is out at MNSBC. DC-based NBC White House correspondent David Gregory is replacing DC-based Tucker Carlson (right) as host of a one-hour show each evening. The news network is making a handful of changes to respond to heavy political interest. Gregory's new show is called "Race For the White House" and will be on each weekday at 6 PM starting next Monday. Carlson has been at MSNBC for nearly three years. MSNBC also says that Andrea Mitchell will anchor an hour each afternoon. Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" program will rerun every night at 10.....
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 20:38:42
Raine on 03/10/2008 20:38:42
I heard this speech today... it was really good.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 20:41:39
Which if ti were an affair, I would have to say, yes, it is private. But... he paid a lot of money for the company of a woman. THAT is a problem.
Raine on 03/10/2008 20:41:39
Quote by jd_in_ny: Spitzer's press conference - his wife with him - "this is a private matter", apologized to family, etc., didn't take questions. Very brief.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 20:41:49
Obama's speech?
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 20:41:49
Quote by Raine:
I heard this speech today... it was really good.
Obama's speech?
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 20:42:46
and prostitution is illegal, paying for it is too - an affair is private, going to a prostitute is breaking the law
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 20:42:46
Quote by Raine:Which if ti were an affair, I would have to say, yes, it is private. But... he paid a lot of money for the company of a woman. THAT is a problem.Quote by jd_in_ny:
Spitzer's press conference - his wife with him - "this is a private matter", apologized to family, etc., didn't take questions. Very brief.
and prostitution is illegal, paying for it is too - an affair is private, going to a prostitute is breaking the law
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 20:43:04
SO, JD, I hear that the LT governour is a blind man> is this true? (I have to go do some more research about this)
Raine on 03/10/2008 20:43:04
Quote by jd_in_ny: I first heard about this on this blog an hour ago. I can say that I have been disappointed with the lack of forward progress, and some missteps, that have happened since he took office, and this feels like yet another blow (so to speak). I feel deflated.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 20:45:11
Raine on 03/10/2008 20:45:11
David Patterson... Lt Gov of NY. (sorry guys, this NY story has me mesmerized. I still feel my NY roots.)
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 20:45:30
I wasn't aware, but he is: http://www.ny.gov/governor/ltgov/bio/index.html
... you got it ;)
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 20:45:30
Quote by Raine:SO, JD, I hear that the LT governour is a blind man> is this true? (I have to go do some more research about this)Quote by jd_in_ny:
I first heard about this on this blog an hour ago. I can say that I have been disappointed with the lack of forward progress, and some missteps, that have happened since he took office, and this feels like yet another blow (so to speak). I feel deflated.
... you got it ;)
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 20:46:32
for that reason, he needs to resign.
Raine on 03/10/2008 20:46:32
Quote by jd_in_ny:and prostitution is illegal, paying for it is too - an affair is private, going to a prostitute is breaking the lawQuote by Raine:Which if ti were an affair, I would have to say, yes, it is private. But... he paid a lot of money for the company of a woman. THAT is a problem.Quote by jd_in_ny: Spitzer's press conference - his wife with him - "this is a private matter", apologized to family, etc., didn't take questions. Very brief.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 20:48:41
Raine on 03/10/2008 20:48:41
JD!
(you have just experienced your first blog mind meld 
)
Can we get a round of applause?
(you have just experienced your first blog mind meld )
Can we get a round of applause?
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 20:52:39
Raine on 03/10/2008 20:52:39
Stop the presses:
From his Wiki entry....
He has been mentioned in some political circles as a possible successor to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton should the fellow New York Democrat win the 2008 US presidential election and resign the seat to assume the presidency.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 20:52:43
I'm downloading quicktime as I type so I can hear the sound effects... so, in the meantime, let's have a drink
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 20:52:43
Quote by Raine:
JD!
(you have just experienced your first blog mind meld
Can we get a round of applause?
I'm downloading quicktime as I type so I can hear the sound effects... so, in the meantime, let's have a drink
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 20:54:00
Raine on 03/10/2008 20:54:00
OK caller... at the end of the day...
UM... yeah... at the end of the day, Hillary said what she said.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 20:55:46
Raine on 03/10/2008 20:55:46
Hillary said it more than TWICE. She said it at least 5 times. FIVE TIMES... I am not so stupid as to not understand what she said.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 20:56:13
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 20:56:13
oh my god. spin spin spin
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 20:56:45
Raine on 03/10/2008 20:56:45
I just had a moment. if spitzer resigns, what happens to his superdelagate vote?
moment. if spitzer resigns, what happens to his superdelagate vote?
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 20:57:31
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 20:57:31
No one has a right to be on the ticket.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 20:57:55
It isn't even logical.
Raine on 03/10/2008 20:57:55
Quote by jd_in_ny: oh my god. spin spin spin
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 20:58:55
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 20:58:55
Does Patterson get it?
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 21:15:53
if spitzer resigns? I believe so.
Raine on 03/10/2008 21:15:53
Quote by jd_in_ny: Does Patterson get it?
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 21:18:37
one needs q/t to haer the audicons?
Hmmm.. BobR is out for the evening, I may have to discuss this with him.
The audicons, as far as I thought would use the computers default sound player. I do not think that members need to get a new program to listen.
Raine on 03/10/2008 21:18:37
Quote by jd_in_ny:I'm downloading quicktime as I type so I can hear the sound effects... so, in the meantime, let's have a drinkQuote by Raine: JD!
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 21:18:47
Good question indeed. Considering his involvment in party politics, he might still have superdelegate status from that if he is no longer Governor.
I just checked some of the reporting on the matter on RNN (strangely bypassing the NYC stations and News 12). Didn't seem like they had much more info. I believe Spitzer's approval rating has dropped pretty low because of the scandals and missteps like the immigrant driver's license issue which created a backlash. Since I just got home, I will have to do some more research.
And Peter King is a wanker.
Get rid of him and the entire Long Island delegation goes blue.
livingonli on 03/10/2008 21:18:47
Quote by Raine:
I just had a
Good question indeed. Considering his involvment in party politics, he might still have superdelegate status from that if he is no longer Governor.
I just checked some of the reporting on the matter on RNN (strangely bypassing the NYC stations and News 12). Didn't seem like they had much more info. I believe Spitzer's approval rating has dropped pretty low because of the scandals and missteps like the immigrant driver's license issue which created a backlash. Since I just got home, I will have to do some more research.
And Peter King is a wanker.
Get rid of him and the entire Long Island delegation goes blue.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 21:20:02
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 21:20:02
You know, the information Randi is sharing right now really bothers me, but if I were a Clinton supporter (not that I'm anti-Clinton, I just prefer Obama), I would not have stuck around to hear it.
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 21:20:36
All the audicons are Quicktime files. Quicktime is already on my home computers but sometimes if I'm in a different work station I have to downlaod Quicktime to get them on those computers.
livingonli on 03/10/2008 21:20:36
Quote by Raine:one needs q/t to haer the audicons?Quote by jd_in_ny:Quote by Raine:
JD!
(you have just experienced your first blog mind meld
Can we get a round of applause?
I'm downloading quicktime as I type so I can hear the sound effects... so, in the meantime, let's have a drink
Hmmm.. BobR is out for the evening, I may have to discuss this with him.
The audicons, as far as I thought would use the computers default sound player. I do not think that members need to get a new program to listen.
All the audicons are Quicktime files. Quicktime is already on my home computers but sometimes if I'm in a different work station I have to downlaod Quicktime to get them on those computers.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 21:21:21
It wasn't playing for me, and told me I needed the QT plug in.
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 21:21:21
Quote by Raine:one needs q/t to haer the audicons?Quote by jd_in_ny:Quote by Raine:
JD!
(you have just experienced your first blog mind meld
Can we get a round of applause?
I'm downloading quicktime as I type so I can hear the sound effects... so, in the meantime, let's have a drink
Hmmm.. BobR is out for the evening, I may have to discuss this with him.
The audicons, as far as I thought would use the computers default sound player. I do not think that members need to get a new program to listen.
It wasn't playing for me, and told me I needed the QT plug in.
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 21:24:21
livingonli on 03/10/2008 21:24:21
Randi has finally moved to the Spitzer story.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 21:25:08
Raine on 03/10/2008 21:25:08
David Patterson used to call into ESPN Radio!
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 21:32:20
Raine on 03/10/2008 21:32:20
If I amy be snarky: Client number 9 client number 9 client number 9
it keeps reminding me of a certain beatle's song.
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 21:35:43
livingonli on 03/10/2008 21:35:43
I have no problem with snark.
Apparently the info on the prostitute was picked up through a federal wiretap. Is this the kind of information that was being picked up through Bush's wiretap program?
Apparently the info on the prostitute was picked up through a federal wiretap. Is this the kind of information that was being picked up through Bush's wiretap program?
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 21:37:19
OK... if you continue to have this problem, (After installing the plug-in) please click on the contact staff button. When he gets home tonite, I will tell BobR about this.
Strange.
Raine on 03/10/2008 21:37:19
Quote by jd_in_ny:It wasn't playing for me, and told me I needed the QT plug in.Quote by Raine:one needs q/t to hear the audicons? Hmmm.. BobR is out for the evening, I may have to discuss this with him. The audicons, as far as I thought would use the computers default sound player. I do not think that members need to get a new program to listen.Quote by jd_in_ny:I'm downloading quicktime as I type so I can hear the sound effects... so, in the meantime, let's have a drinkQuote by Raine: JD!
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 21:41:58
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 21:41:58
Raine - QT is working for me just fine; but thanks ;)
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 21:45:51
HOLY CRAP! that could be HUGE
However, that being said, when he admitteed t a certain extent to what he did, I think it was over. HE did not deny he was with a prostitute. WHO, BTW, was from NY. The indescrestion seems to have happened on DC.
Raine on 03/10/2008 21:45:51
Quote by livingonli: I have no problem with snark. Apparently the info on the prostitute was picked up through a federal wiretap. Is this the kind of information that was being picked up through Bush's wiretap program?
However, that being said, when he admitteed t a certain extent to what he did, I think it was over. HE did not deny he was with a prostitute. WHO, BTW, was from NY. The indescrestion seems to have happened on DC.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 21:47:44
Raine on 03/10/2008 21:47:44
Randi just entered the zone with that whole divorce statement.
zone with that whole divorce statement.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 21:51:44
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 21:51:44
Yeah... either Bill wants her to win so he can get in the WH again or he doesn't want her to win because ... you pick the conspiracy. There are so many different motives we can attribute to any or all of them!
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 21:53:55
So, Bill wants to be free to pursue some poontang.
I wonder what he's been getting on the side since he left the White House?
livingonli on 03/10/2008 21:53:55
Quote by Raine:
Randi just entered the
So, Bill wants to be free to pursue some poontang.
I wonder what he's been getting on the side since he left the White House?
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 21:55:53
Confirmed.
This does not bode well for the hillary Clinton campaign.
No MSNBC press about this as of 5:55 today.
Raine on 03/10/2008 21:55:53
Quote by Raine: Does anyone know where I can get information regarding new Obama endorsements? I just read that The former Secretaries of the Army, Navy and The Air Force during the Clinton Administration will be endorsing Obama at 1 p.m. today. That is kinda a big endorsement if this is true.
According to a press release from the Obama campaign Monday morning, the candidate's staff will appear with top military brass today "to discuss why Obama has demonstrated the judgment and has the experience to be Commander In Chief." "Today, former service secretaries for each of the Armed Forces Ð Clifford Alexander, Jr. (US Army), Richard Danzig (US Navy), and F. Whitten Peters (US Air Force) Ð will host a press conference in Washington, DC to discuss why Obama has demonstrated the judgment and has the experience to be Commander In Chief," the release writes. Among those attending: "Secretary Clifford Alexander, Jr. (US Army Ð Carter Administration), Secretary Richard Danzig (US Navy Ð Clinton Administration) and Secretary F. Whitten Peters (US Air Force Ð Clinton Administration." The event will be held at the United Food and Commercial Workers, 1775 K Street, NW - 11th Floor at 1pm today.
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 22:49:18
livingonli on 03/10/2008 22:49:18
Anyone been listening to Rachel?
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 23:16:47
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 23:16:47
I heard the beginning, but had to leave for dinner. I'm back now.
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 23:23:56
livingonli on 03/10/2008 23:23:56
She had a reporter for the Albany Times Union discussing the Spitzer issues.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 23:26:47
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 23:26:47
ah. sorry I missed that, actually
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 23:33:40
Raine on 03/10/2008 23:33:40
Details from the interview?
I went away for a bit, myself. I am now officially waiting for the press confernace for his resignation.
What did rach say?
I went away for a bit, myself. I am now officially waiting for the press confernace for his resignation.
What did rach say?
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 23:41:29
Raine on 03/10/2008 23:41:29
OK, what does everyone make of this report?
He hid bribes? That doesn't make sense at all. There is a little tiny part of me that is concerned about a spiegleman being done to Spitzer
......
Look if he had an affair and took this woman to DC FROM NY via a train or cab, that is reason enough for him to resign... the rest is strangley questionable.
He hid bribes? That doesn't make sense at all. There is a little tiny part of me that is concerned about a spiegleman being done to Spitzer
......
Look if he had an affair and took this woman to DC FROM NY via a train or cab, that is reason enough for him to resign... the rest is strangley questionable.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 23:44:52
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 23:44:52
I don't know if an affair alone would be enough for me to need him to resign. It certainly wouldn't help things go smoother politically, but I'm not going to speculate because that apparently is not the case here.
Soliciting prostitution is illegal. He's a lawyer, he should be following and upholding the law, not breaking it.
Soliciting prostitution is illegal. He's a lawyer, he should be following and upholding the law, not breaking it.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 03/10/2008 23:47:00
Mondobubba on 03/10/2008 23:47:00
Yeah, yeah, yeah Eliott Spitzer. Whatever!
Lets talk about which 17 types of crazy does GOP governor McCain will make his running mate.
Lets talk about which 17 types of crazy does GOP governor McCain will make his running mate.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 23:47:19
From TPMMuckraker....
Raine on 03/10/2008 23:47:19
Quote by Raine:HOLY CRAP! that could be HUGEQuote by livingonli:
I have no problem with snark.
Apparently the info on the prostitute was picked up through a federal wiretap. Is this the kind of information that was being picked up through Bush's wiretap program?
However, that being said, when he admitteed t a certain extent to what he did, I think it was over. HE did not deny he was with a prostitute. WHO, BTW, was from NY. The indescrestion seems to have happened on DC.
From TPMMuckraker....
It is the closest thing I've seen to a complete explanation of the surveillance program the Bush Administration has assembled.
Siobhan Gorman of The Wall Street Journal reports this morning that the National Security Agency has assembled what some intelligence officials admit is a driftnet for domestic and foreign communications.
Here's the way the whole thing works, according to Gorman: into the NSA's massive database goes data collected by the Justice Department, Department of Homeland Security, and the Department of Treasury. This information includes data about email (recipient and sender address, subject, time sent), internet searches (sites visited and searches conducted), phone calls (incoming and outgoing numbers, length of call, location), financial information (wire transfers, credit-card use, information about bank accounts), and information from the DHS about airline passengers.
Then the NSA's software analyzes this data for indications of terrorist activity. When it hits upon a suspicious pattern, the NSA "feeds its findings into the effort the administration calls the Terrorist Surveillance Program and shares some of that information with other U.S. security agencies.”
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2008 23:55:22
Raine on 03/10/2008 23:55:22
JD, as a former NY'r, I REALLY think this is devastating to the NY dems.
My post on the 4f MB
Forget his wife, forget all the rest of the crap. IF he got caught breaking the law with a prostitute WHILE he was in DC for a congressional testimony... I have no tolerance for this in the Democratic party during these times.
The dems allowed David Vitter to keep his position... we have consistantly called that party out for the hyposcrisy... we need to hold ourselves to the same standards.
My post on the 4f MB
Forget his wife, forget all the rest of the crap. IF he got caught breaking the law with a prostitute WHILE he was in DC for a congressional testimony... I have no tolerance for this in the Democratic party during these times.
The dems allowed David Vitter to keep his position... we have consistantly called that party out for the hyposcrisy... we need to hold ourselves to the same standards.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 23:58:39
jd_in_ny on 03/10/2008 23:58:39
As a NYer, a lawyer, and someone who voted enthusiastically for Spitzer, I am devastated, and I think that he should resign immediately. Just for breaking the law. Period, the end.
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2008 23:59:25
Huckabee or Lieberman?
livingonli on 03/10/2008 23:59:25
Quote by Mondobubba:
Yeah, yeah, yeah Eliott Spitzer. Whatever!
Lets talk about which 17 types of crazy does GOP governor McCain will make his running mate.
Huckabee or Lieberman?
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 00:02:16
Raine on 03/11/2008 00:02:16
if it were an affair... I REALLY wopuld say... this is between the Spitzer's.
I felt that way about McGreevey. That was something that should have been PERSONAL.
This is about an elected person breaking the law.
David Vitter was applauded and we as dems were disgusted... Are we going to be as hypocrytical as THAT party?
We need to win an election and I for one REFUSE to give the ilk of the republicans the red meat they WILL use if he does not resign. This isn't a little tiny state, this is NYS, the state that Hillary Clinton represents. it could very well be devastating to the dems.
I felt that way about McGreevey. That was something that should have been PERSONAL.
This is about an elected person breaking the law.
David Vitter was applauded and we as dems were disgusted... Are we going to be as hypocrytical as THAT party?
We need to win an election and I for one REFUSE to give the ilk of the republicans the red meat they WILL use if he does not resign. This isn't a little tiny state, this is NYS, the state that Hillary Clinton represents. it could very well be devastating to the dems.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/11/2008 00:06:25
Mondobubba on 03/11/2008 00:06:25
KO with the snark about Spitzer! Keith you are a zany funster!
Keith you are a zany funster!
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/11/2008 00:06:27
jd_in_ny on 03/11/2008 00:06:27
He was a role model to me, and now he's only a hypocrite. It's truly upsetting to me. Beyond the political ramifications (which, clearly, point to resignation as the only possible step), I'm personally done with him. He needs to go.
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 00:15:25
livingonli on 03/11/2008 00:15:25
David Binder says the only thing that could have been worse for this is if Elliot was nailed for insider trading.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/11/2008 00:16:15
Mondobubba on 03/11/2008 00:16:15
As brother Mondo just pointed out about the "experience" issue. How much experience did Lincoln have when he came into office.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/11/2008 00:18:01
That was a good laugh line
jd_in_ny on 03/11/2008 00:18:01
Quote by livingonli:
David Binder says the only thing that could have been worse for this is if Elliot was nailed for insider trading.
That was a good laugh line
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/11/2008 00:27:57
Mondobubba on 03/11/2008 00:27:57
Doug Fiefe is throwing Bush under the bus?? Doug Fiefe??? ZOMG! :thud:
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 00:38:36
The true believer neo-cons still can't admit that the policies they advocated were the disaster and it wasn't just the man who pushed them into effect.
livingonli on 03/11/2008 00:38:36
Quote by Mondobubba:
Doug Fiefe is throwing Bush under the bus?? Doug Fiefe??? ZOMG! :thud:
The true believer neo-cons still can't admit that the policies they advocated were the disaster and it wasn't just the man who pushed them into effect.
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 00:44:29
Keith asked Wayne Barrett how come wiretaps weren't brought out on David Vitter or Larry Craig? Although a wiretap would have only brought out if Larry Craig was seeing male hookers. The one who's made the claim said it was many years ago.
livingonli on 03/11/2008 00:44:29
Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:HOLY CRAP! that could be HUGEQuote by livingonli:
I have no problem with snark.
Apparently the info on the prostitute was picked up through a federal wiretap. Is this the kind of information that was being picked up through Bush's wiretap program?
However, that being said, when he admitteed t a certain extent to what he did, I think it was over. HE did not deny he was with a prostitute. WHO, BTW, was from NY. The indescrestion seems to have happened on DC.
From TPMMuckraker....
It is the closest thing I've seen to a complete explanation of the surveillance program the Bush Administration has assembled.
Siobhan Gorman of The Wall Street Journal reports this morning that the National Security Agency has assembled what some intelligence officials admit is a driftnet for domestic and foreign communications.
Here's the way the whole thing works, according to Gorman: into the NSA's massive database goes data collected by the Justice Department, Department of Homeland Security, and the Department of Treasury. This information includes data about email (recipient and sender address, subject, time sent), internet searches (sites visited and searches conducted), phone calls (incoming and outgoing numbers, length of call, location), financial information (wire transfers, credit-card use, information about bank accounts), and information from the DHS about airline passengers.
Then the NSA's software analyzes this data for indications of terrorist activity. When it hits upon a suspicious pattern, the NSA "feeds its findings into the effort the administration calls the Terrorist Surveillance Program and shares some of that information with other U.S. security agencies.”
Keith asked Wayne Barrett how come wiretaps weren't brought out on David Vitter or Larry Craig? Although a wiretap would have only brought out if Larry Craig was seeing male hookers. The one who's made the claim said it was many years ago.
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 00:53:38
livingonli on 03/11/2008 00:53:38
Worst persons;
3. Brent Bozell for the usual babble on how Clinton destroyed the military when there are Generals and admirals who believe that things have gotten worse since 2003.
2. Joseph Abrams at Foxnews.com for the list of 19 alleged terrorist plots foiled , 13 with no convictions and 7 with no charges. And what about the other 14,000 plots Fox said we failed.
1. Rep. Steven King (Turd-Iowa) for his remark that terrorists will cheer if Obama wins the presidency.
Ah, that's a steaming pile of crap.
3. Brent Bozell for the usual babble on how Clinton destroyed the military when there are Generals and admirals who believe that things have gotten worse since 2003.
2. Joseph Abrams at Foxnews.com for the list of 19 alleged terrorist plots foiled , 13 with no convictions and 7 with no charges. And what about the other 14,000 plots Fox said we failed.
1. Rep. Steven King (Turd-Iowa) for his remark that terrorists will cheer if Obama wins the presidency.
Ah, that's a steaming pile of crap.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/11/2008 01:00:57
jd_in_ny on 03/11/2008 01:00:57
Yeah, I heard the King one. Someone should ask him how he's so in touch with the hearts and minds of terrorists, and why he's letting them dictate his actions.
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 01:35:12
livingonli on 03/11/2008 01:35:12
Mike Malloy playing, It's hard out there for a Pimp. :rofl:
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/11/2008 01:45:44
jd_in_ny on 03/11/2008 01:45:44
Okay, this letter Malloy is reading? From a listener in Europe? Who the hell does that guy think he is?
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/11/2008 01:53:00
Mondobubba on 03/11/2008 01:53:00
Raine, I'm loving Levy's expression when Ronnie plays the tape for him. I think he might have stained he very expensive suit.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/11/2008 02:36:55
Mondobubba on 03/11/2008 02:36:55
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! STAN VALCHECK IS COMMISSIONER OF POLICE! :thud:
Comment by IzzyBitz on 03/11/2008 03:52:20
Of course!
IzzyBitz on 03/11/2008 03:52:20
Quote by livingonli:
Anyone been listening to Rachel?
Of course!
Comment by IzzyBitz on 03/11/2008 03:57:00
IzzyBitz on 03/11/2008 03:57:00
The clock is a bit off. Does bloggie live in Australia?
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 04:31:10
livingonli on 03/11/2008 04:31:10
The default to the blog clock is GMT. But on most computers after it loads, it should display your local time.