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$500,000,000,000.00
Author: TriSec
Date: 03/11/2008 10:46:47
Good Morning.
Over the past week, we've finally crossed a devastating financial milestone.
We find today's cost of war passing through $501,570,000,000.00
Such a number is difficult to grasp. That's 500 billion that's been squandered on Bush's folly.
With the current US population at a hair over 300 million, let's do some math.
That's $1,670 for every man, woman and child currently alive in the US, from 100 years to 100 seconds old. Just think of it. The baby emerging from its mother at the very moment you read this is already saddled with almost $1700 of debt. Your elderly grandmother on a fixed income, too.
33 cities in the United States could have a public works project on the scale of Boston's Big Dig.
We could send 2 million students to Harvard University on a full, four-year scholarship.
Or, you could buy about 5 billion barrels of oil, at the current market rates...
At the website referenced above, you can drill down into your community. So let's see what Bush's folly has cost Waltham, MA:
Of course, war has a human cost, too. As always, we'll check the latest casualty figures from the warron terra, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 3983
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3844
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3522
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3124
Since Election (1/31/05): 2546
Other Coalition Troops: 308
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 485
Although it's far less of an impact nationally than the financial toll, that works out to 1 out of every 75,000 Americans that has been killed in this war. Although the estimated number of wounded varies widely (estimated, because the Pentagon has never provided an official figure) that ratio could be as low as 1 out of every 3,000 Americans as a casualty of this war.
War also has a political cost. Never mind our reputation in the world, or our use of torture, or our utter callousness in treating Iraq and the Iraqis as our private military park...just focusing on one item, President Bush's approval rating has sunk to a range of 29-39% (curious, since other outlets are reporting less than 20%). In any case, I'd have to say that the Republicans and their policies have been thoroughly discredited, don't you think?
And if that's not enough, think about something one of our own members said a few days ago. "Voting for McCain is like voting for a third term of Bush."
America can't survive four more years of this.
Over the past week, we've finally crossed a devastating financial milestone.
We find today's cost of war passing through $501,570,000,000.00
Such a number is difficult to grasp. That's 500 billion that's been squandered on Bush's folly.
With the current US population at a hair over 300 million, let's do some math.
That's $1,670 for every man, woman and child currently alive in the US, from 100 years to 100 seconds old. Just think of it. The baby emerging from its mother at the very moment you read this is already saddled with almost $1700 of debt. Your elderly grandmother on a fixed income, too.
33 cities in the United States could have a public works project on the scale of Boston's Big Dig.
We could send 2 million students to Harvard University on a full, four-year scholarship.
Or, you could buy about 5 billion barrels of oil, at the current market rates...
At the website referenced above, you can drill down into your community. So let's see what Bush's folly has cost Waltham, MA:
Taxpayers in Waltham, Massachusetts have paid $147.3 million for the Iraq War thus far. For the same amount of money, the following could have been provided:
44,145 People with Health Care OR
229,644 Homes with Renewable Electricity OR
2,889 Public Safety Officers OR
2,522 Music and Arts Teachers OR
15,351 Scholarships for University Students OR
6 New Elementary Schools OR
512 Affordable Housing Units OR
55,231 Children with Health Care OR
17,618 Head Start Places for Children OR
2,108 Elementary School Teachers OR
2,480 Port Container Inspectors
Of course, war has a human cost, too. As always, we'll check the latest casualty figures from the warron terra, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 3983
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3844
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3522
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3124
Since Election (1/31/05): 2546
Other Coalition Troops: 308
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 485
Although it's far less of an impact nationally than the financial toll, that works out to 1 out of every 75,000 Americans that has been killed in this war. Although the estimated number of wounded varies widely (estimated, because the Pentagon has never provided an official figure) that ratio could be as low as 1 out of every 3,000 Americans as a casualty of this war.
War also has a political cost. Never mind our reputation in the world, or our use of torture, or our utter callousness in treating Iraq and the Iraqis as our private military park...just focusing on one item, President Bush's approval rating has sunk to a range of 29-39% (curious, since other outlets are reporting less than 20%). In any case, I'd have to say that the Republicans and their policies have been thoroughly discredited, don't you think?
And if that's not enough, think about something one of our own members said a few days ago. "Voting for McCain is like voting for a third term of Bush."
America can't survive four more years of this.
Comments:
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Comment by 
TriSec on 03/11/2008 12:44:20
TriSec on 03/11/2008 12:44:20
Hmm, did I forget to unlock the blog door this morning? 
Comment by 
jd_in_ny on 03/11/2008 12:55:03
jd_in_ny on 03/11/2008 12:55:03
I'm here... great blog post this morning, very thought-provoking. It's mind-boggling -- I'm not sure I really comprehend these numbers.
Comment by 
Raine on 03/11/2008 13:06:21
Raine on 03/11/2008 13:06:21
Good Morning. What a sad milestone. :(
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 13:21:01
Raine on 03/11/2008 13:21:01
Comment by TriSec on 03/11/2008 13:31:08
TriSec on 03/11/2008 13:31:08
Boeing invented the frickin' aerial tanker. Nice to see they won't be able to keep building them. They've held that contract since WWII.
KC-10 (originally a Douglas product, now owned by Boeing) Currently flying.
KC-135 (Militarized Boeing 707) in service since the 1960s. Currently flying.
KC-97 (Tanker version of the venerable B-29 of WWII fame)
And I think a few more.
*poof*
KC-10 (originally a Douglas product, now owned by Boeing) Currently flying.
KC-135 (Militarized Boeing 707) in service since the 1960s. Currently flying.
KC-97 (Tanker version of the venerable B-29 of WWII fame)
And I think a few more.
*poof*
Comment by 
starling310 on 03/11/2008 13:31:30
starling310 on 03/11/2008 13:31:30
: flips sign in blog window to 'OPEN' :
There ya go Tri. I think that should do it.
500 billion dollars!?!? :headshake:
There ya go Tri. I think that should do it.
500 billion dollars!?!? :headshake:
Comment by starling310 on 03/11/2008 13:41:52
Ah ha! : puts out sidewalk sandwich board - "BLOG OPEN" :
starling310 on 03/11/2008 13:41:52
Ah ha! : puts out sidewalk sandwich board - "BLOG OPEN" :
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 13:46:23
... I think we need some of this 
,
Oh wait...
there .... that oughta do it!
Raine on 03/11/2008 13:46:23
Quote by starling310:
Ah ha! : puts out sidewalk sandwich board - "BLOG OPEN" :
... I think we need some of this , Oh wait...
there .... that oughta do it!
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 13:49:14
Raine on 03/11/2008 13:49:14
This show today is a little bit of an unfortunate best of, considering the Spitzer scandal...
Comment by starling310 on 03/11/2008 13:51:11
starling310 on 03/11/2008 13:51:11
: jumps into blog window :
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 13:55:38
Raine on 03/11/2008 13:55:38
This is horrendous. Knowing Iran's Stance on Homosexuality, I have to wonder what the hell Britian is thinking
Jesus, they are sending her to her death.
An Iranian lesbian who fled to Britain after her girlfriend was arrested and sentenced to death faces being forcibly returned after losing the latest round in her battle to be granted asylum.
[...]
In turning down Ms Emambakhsh and Mr Kazemi's asylum applications, the Home Office has said that, provided Iranians are discreet about their homosexuality, they will not be persecuted. But Omar Kuddus, of Gay Asylum UK, demanded that Britain follow the example of the Netherlands and Germany in imposing a moratorium on all deportations involving gay and lesbian Iranians. He asked: "How many more young Iranians have to die before the British Government takes action?"
Jesus, they are sending her to her death.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/11/2008 14:00:25
jd_in_ny on 03/11/2008 14:00:25
I know. Very unfortunate -- but at least we can identify his actions as hypocrisy, right?
Comment by 
BobR on 03/11/2008 14:03:32
BobR on 03/11/2008 14:03:32
Morning folks... :coffee:
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/11/2008 14:03:57
And setting all else aside, how is this at all discreet?
jd_in_ny on 03/11/2008 14:03:57
Quote by Raine:
This is horrendous. Knowing Iran's Stance on Homosexuality, I have to wonder what the hell Britian is thinkingAn Iranian lesbian who fled to Britain after her girlfriend was arrested and sentenced to death faces being forcibly returned after losing the latest round in her battle to be granted asylum.
[...]
In turning down Ms Emambakhsh and Mr Kazemi's asylum applications, the Home Office has said that, provided Iranians are discreet about their homosexuality, they will not be persecuted. But Omar Kuddus, of Gay Asylum UK, demanded that Britain follow the example of the Netherlands and Germany in imposing a moratorium on all deportations involving gay and lesbian Iranians. He asked: "How many more young Iranians have to die before the British Government takes action?"
Jesus, they are sending her to her death.
And setting all else aside, how is this at all discreet?
Comment by 
livingonli on 03/11/2008 14:06:17
livingonli on 03/11/2008 14:06:17
Good morning everyone. 
Just remember, Sam is filling in for Thom today and at 11 AM he should have his show he does with Marc Maron on the Sammy Cam. I usually don't get to check it out, but I will today with Momma on vacation.
Just remember, Sam is filling in for Thom today and at 11 AM he should have his show he does with Marc Maron on the Sammy Cam. I usually don't get to check it out, but I will today with Momma on vacation.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 03/11/2008 14:11:33
wickedpam on 03/11/2008 14:11:33
Morning :hug:
Comment by starling310 on 03/11/2008 14:12:42
As much as I am disheartened by the state of affairs in this country, we are still blessed in some ways. I lead an openly gay life style without fear of death by my Government. Everyone should be entitled to the same freedoms.
starling310 on 03/11/2008 14:12:42
Quote by Raine:
This is horrendous. Knowing Iran's Stance on Homosexuality, I have to wonder what the hell Britian is thinkingAn Iranian lesbian who fled to Britain after her girlfriend was arrested and sentenced to death faces being forcibly returned after losing the latest round in her battle to be granted asylum.
[...]
In turning down Ms Emambakhsh and Mr Kazemi's asylum applications, the Home Office has said that, provided Iranians are discreet about their homosexuality, they will not be persecuted. But Omar Kuddus, of Gay Asylum UK, demanded that Britain follow the example of the Netherlands and Germany in imposing a moratorium on all deportations involving gay and lesbian Iranians. He asked: "How many more young Iranians have to die before the British Government takes action?"
Jesus, they are sending her to her death.
As much as I am disheartened by the state of affairs in this country, we are still blessed in some ways. I lead an openly gay life style without fear of death by my Government. Everyone should be entitled to the same freedoms.
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 14:15:55
livingonli on 03/11/2008 14:15:55
Good morning Mala. Have you contacted Shelagh C about DC? Hopefully, we can get her in if she bunks with you and HBK.
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 14:16:28
Raine on 03/11/2008 14:16:28
I agree with you we have so far to go, but is scares me when I see stuff like this.
And for these peopel, whose names are NOW known, as JD pointed out, this is no longer discreet.
we have so far to go, but is scares me when I see stuff like this. And for these peopel, whose names are NOW known, as JD pointed out, this is no longer discreet.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/11/2008 14:17:49
Well, I posted my idea on the DC blog - haven't heard from her about it yet.
wickedpam on 03/11/2008 14:17:49
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning Mala. Have you contacted Shelagh C about DC? Hopefully, we can get her in if she bunks with you and HBK.
Well, I posted my idea on the DC blog - haven't heard from her about it yet.
Comment by starling310 on 03/11/2008 14:24:19
starling310 on 03/11/2008 14:24:19
: now playing : Ripple / Grateful Dead
With
and 
for all my blog friends - - -
With
and for all my blog friends - - - If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine
And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung,
Would you hear my voice come thru the music,
Would you hold it near as it were your own?
It's a hand-me-down, the thoughts are broken,
Perhaps they're better left unsung.
I don't know, don't really care
Let there be songs to fill the air.
Ripple in still water,
When there is no pebble tossed,
Nor wind to blow.
Reach out your hand if your cup be empty,
If your cup is full may it be again,
Let it be known there is a fountain,
That was not made by the hands of men.
There is a road, no simple highway,
Between the dawn and the dark of night,
And if you go no one may follow,
That path is for your steps alone.
Ripple in still water,
When there is no pebble tossed,
Nor wind to blow.
You who choose to lead must follow
But if you fall you fall alone,
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home.
Comment by starling310 on 03/11/2008 14:25:08
starling310 on 03/11/2008 14:25:08
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 14:27:36
Is this dog owned by a member of Korn?
livingonli on 03/11/2008 14:27:36
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
ok, this is wrong.<---------------- :rofl:
Is this dog owned by a member of Korn?
Comment by wickedpam on 03/11/2008 14:28:06
wickedpam on 03/11/2008 14:28:06
Awww - poor doggie!
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 14:29:14
Shelagh hasn't been on the blog so you might want to PM her too. We got to get her into the growing group.
Actually, we might be too big this time.
livingonli on 03/11/2008 14:29:14
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Good morning Mala. Have you contacted Shelagh C about DC? Hopefully, we can get her in if she bunks with you and HBK.
Well, I posted my idea on the DC blog - haven't heard from her about it yet.
Shelagh hasn't been on the blog so you might want to PM her too. We got to get her into the growing group.
Actually, we might be too big this time.
Comment by BobR on 03/11/2008 14:29:39
BobR on 03/11/2008 14:29:39
Since Momma & the Mooks™ is on vaca, I am listening to music this morning.
Up now: Rammstein/Herzelied
Up now: Rammstein/Herzelied
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 14:31:54
:hug: I think that is probably my fave dead tune.
Raine on 03/11/2008 14:31:54
Quote by starling310:
: now playing : Ripple / Grateful Dead
WithIf my words did glow with the gold of sunshine
And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung,
Would you hear my voice come thru the music,
Would you hold it near as it were your own?
It's a hand-me-down, the thoughts are broken,
Perhaps they're better left unsung.
I don't know, don't really care
Let there be songs to fill the air.
Ripple in still water,
When there is no pebble tossed,
Nor wind to blow.
Reach out your hand if your cup be empty,
If your cup is full may it be again,
Let it be known there is a fountain,
That was not made by the hands of men.
There is a road, no simple highway,
Between the dawn and the dark of night,
And if you go no one may follow,
That path is for your steps alone.
Ripple in still water,
When there is no pebble tossed,
Nor wind to blow.
You who choose to lead must follow
But if you fall you fall alone,
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home.
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 14:33:03
Raine on 03/11/2008 14:33:03
Ok, I admit, I am listening to the repeat, for the news... I swear! it is for the news!
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 14:35:59
Would that make him a KornDog?
Raine on 03/11/2008 14:35:59
Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
ok, this is wrong.<---------------- :rofl:
Is this dog owned by a member of Korn?
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 14:38:02
livingonli on 03/11/2008 14:38:02
Who's going to watch Sam and Marc Maron on the Sammy Cam at 11 AM?
Comment by wickedpam on 03/11/2008 14:39:48
I say the more the merrier :D
I PM'd her.
wickedpam on 03/11/2008 14:39:48
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Good morning Mala. Have you contacted Shelagh C about DC? Hopefully, we can get her in if she bunks with you and HBK.
Well, I posted my idea on the DC blog - haven't heard from her about it yet.
Shelagh hasn't been on the blog so you might want to PM her too. We got to get her into the growing group.
Actually, we might be too big this time.
I say the more the merrier :D
I PM'd her.
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 14:41:56
And does he feel like a Freak On a Leash?
livingonli on 03/11/2008 14:41:56
Quote by Raine:Would that make him a KornDog?Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
ok, this is wrong.<---------------- :rofl:
Is this dog owned by a member of Korn?
And does he feel like a Freak On a Leash?
Comment by starling310 on 03/11/2008 14:46:33
starling310 on 03/11/2008 14:46:33
Quote by Raine: Would that make him a KornDog?
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 14:49:41
Your reaction alone is priceless.
livingonli on 03/11/2008 14:49:41
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine: Would that make him a KornDog?
Your reaction alone is priceless.
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 14:50:37
I think I will be.
Raine on 03/11/2008 14:50:37
Quote by livingonli:
Who's going to watch Sam and Marc Maron on the Sammy Cam at 11 AM?
Comment by starling310 on 03/11/2008 14:56:10
starling310 on 03/11/2008 14:56:10
No SammyCam at work. 
Harumpf. : pouting :
Harumpf. : pouting :
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 14:58:53
livingonli on 03/11/2008 14:58:53
Oh, damn. They moved it to 3:30 this week and I have to be at work at 4.
Oh, poop.
Oh, poop.
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 14:59:20
livingonli on 03/11/2008 14:59:20
I guess I won't need the Sammy Cam until Noon then.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/11/2008 15:03:06
The delay in what I'm watching and what I hear makes me crazy so I think I'll just listen.
wickedpam on 03/11/2008 15:03:06
Quote by livingonli:
Who's going to watch Sam and Marc Maron on the Sammy Cam at 11 AM?
The delay in what I'm watching and what I hear makes me crazy so I think I'll just listen.
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 15:05:24
I am not getting the cam! 
Are you able to listen to the AAR stream?
Raine on 03/11/2008 15:05:24
Quote by wickedpam:The delay in what I'm watching and what I hear makes me crazy so I think I'll just listen.Quote by livingonli: Who's going to watch Sam and Marc Maron on the Sammy Cam at 11 AM?
Are you able to listen to the AAR stream?
Comment by BobR on 03/11/2008 15:06:00
BobR on 03/11/2008 15:06:00
iTunes moving from Rammstein to Thom Yorke.... that was an abrupt shift... 
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 15:07:28
The AAR stream would have Lionel.
If you saw my earlier post, Sam's web site has that the team-up with Marc Maron won't be until 3:30 this week so he won't be on until Noon for the Hartmann fill-in.
livingonli on 03/11/2008 15:07:28
Quote by Raine:I am not getting the cam!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Who's going to watch Sam and Marc Maron on the Sammy Cam at 11 AM?
The delay in what I'm watching and what I hear makes me crazy so I think I'll just listen.
Are you able to listen to the AAR stream?
The AAR stream would have Lionel.
If you saw my earlier post, Sam's web site has that the team-up with Marc Maron won't be until 3:30 this week so he won't be on until Noon for the Hartmann fill-in.
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 15:08:18
Raine on 03/11/2008 15:08:18
Guh... I guess not AAP has Lionel. run way!
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 03/11/2008 15:15:13
velveeta jones on 03/11/2008 15:15:13
Morning all.
I just wanted to throw this out there.......something that has really struck home with me of late. Now that I'm a "workin' stiff" taking a temp job as a cashier at a grocery store, I am ALARMED at what people are using their credit cards for!
I try to never use my cc for food, though lately I've had to several times. People are not only using them for large grocery purchases but tiny ones as well. I swear, I have rung up many people paying for a cup of coffee - $1.06 - with a CC!!! That is insane, and really shows that people are either quite rich or really hard up. I'm going with the latter.
Sad. :(
I just wanted to throw this out there.......something that has really struck home with me of late. Now that I'm a "workin' stiff" taking a temp job as a cashier at a grocery store, I am ALARMED at what people are using their credit cards for!
I try to never use my cc for food, though lately I've had to several times. People are not only using them for large grocery purchases but tiny ones as well. I swear, I have rung up many people paying for a cup of coffee - $1.06 - with a CC!!! That is insane, and really shows that people are either quite rich or really hard up. I'm going with the latter.
Sad. :(
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 15:19:20
I would have gone with the LATTE...
Are you sure thees are all CC's? Not debit cards?
Raine on 03/11/2008 15:19:20
Quote by velveeta jones: Morning all. I just wanted to throw this out there.......something that has really struck home with me of late. Now that I'm a "workin' stiff" taking a temp job as a cashier at a grocery store, I am ALARMED at what people are using their credit cards for! I try to never use my cc for food, though lately I've had to several times. People are not only using them for large grocery purchases but tiny ones as well. I swear, I have rung up many people paying for a cup of coffee - $1.06 - with a CC!!! That is insane, and really shows that people are either quite rich or really hard up. I'm going with the latter. Sad. :(
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/11/2008 15:21:19
Yes, Credit Cards, which require a signature, not debit which uses a PIN. I am shocked - that one dollar coffee might cost $10, $20 or more unless you pay it right away!!
velveeta jones on 03/11/2008 15:21:19
Quote by Raine:I would have gone with the LATTE...Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all.
I just wanted to throw this out there.......something that has really struck home with me of late. Now that I'm a "workin' stiff" taking a temp job as a cashier at a grocery store, I am ALARMED at what people are using their credit cards for!
I try to never use my cc for food, though lately I've had to several times. People are not only using them for large grocery purchases but tiny ones as well. I swear, I have rung up many people paying for a cup of coffee - $1.06 - with a CC!!! That is insane, and really shows that people are either quite rich or really hard up. I'm going with the latter.
Sad. :(
Are you sure thees are all CC's? Not debit cards?
Yes, Credit Cards, which require a signature, not debit which uses a PIN. I am shocked - that one dollar coffee might cost $10, $20 or more unless you pay it right away!!
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 15:21:44
livingonli on 03/11/2008 15:21:44
It used to be most places had a minimum amount before you could use a credit card, but that seems to be disappearing. Although a few pizza places do require a minimum 10 dollar purchase before you can use a credit card.
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/11/2008 15:23:06
:rofl:
Still have never heard him. Is he that bad? Can he be as bad as Bill Press or Ed Shultz?
velveeta jones on 03/11/2008 15:23:06
Quote by Raine:
Guh... I guess not AAP has Lionel. run way!
:rofl:
Still have never heard him. Is he that bad? Can he be as bad as Bill Press or Ed Shultz?
Comment by starling310 on 03/11/2008 15:25:11
I would have gone with the LATTE...
starling310 on 03/11/2008 15:25:11
Quote by Raine:
Sad. :(
Get out of my head!
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 15:26:50
Don't forget Jerry Springer's radio show which no one mourned its passing.
livingonli on 03/11/2008 15:26:50
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:
Guh... I guess not AAP has Lionel. run way!
:rofl:
Still have never heard him. Is he that bad? Can he be as bad as Bill Press or Ed Shultz?
Don't forget Jerry Springer's radio show which no one mourned its passing.
Comment by starling310 on 03/11/2008 15:28:20
I will say that I know people who have "rewards" cards and they use them for EVERYTHING. But, they pay them each month. I doubt that is the majority, but it could 'splain some of them.
:shrug:
starling310 on 03/11/2008 15:28:20
Quote by velveeta jones:
Yes, Credit Cards, which require a signature, not debit which uses a PIN. I am shocked - that one dollar coffee might cost $10, $20 or more unless you pay it right away!!
I will say that I know people who have "rewards" cards and they use them for EVERYTHING. But, they pay them each month. I doubt that is the majority, but it could 'splain some of them.
:shrug:
Comment by BobR on 03/11/2008 15:34:53
I can use my debit card like a credit card and often do because after using it as a debit card a certain number of times, the bank charges me a dollar for every transaction. When I use it as a credit card I don't have to pay that fee; it requires a signature, but it still comes directly out of my checking account.
BobR on 03/11/2008 15:34:53
Quote by velveeta jones:
Yes, Credit Cards, which require a signature, not debit which uses a PIN. I am shocked - that one dollar coffee might cost $10, $20 or more unless you pay it right away!!
I can use my debit card like a credit card and often do because after using it as a debit card a certain number of times, the bank charges me a dollar for every transaction. When I use it as a credit card I don't have to pay that fee; it requires a signature, but it still comes directly out of my checking account.
Comment by starling310 on 03/11/2008 15:38:06
We are all trying to be "Mr. Fix its" about the Credit Cards.
starling310 on 03/11/2008 15:38:06
We are all trying to be "Mr. Fix its" about the Credit Cards.
Comment by 
IzzyBitz on 03/11/2008 15:42:09
IzzyBitz on 03/11/2008 15:42:09
Quote by starling310:Good morning all! Finally able to get here while you're actually blogging. This is what I do, Star, although I use cash for small purchases. I pay the cards off each month and reap some rewards - air mileage and Costco rebates. It's the little presents in life that keep me going.Quote by velveeta jones: Yes, Credit Cards, which require a signature, not debit which uses a PIN. I am shocked - that one dollar coffee might cost $10, $20 or more unless you pay it right away!! I will say that I know people who have "rewards" cards and they use them for EVERYTHING. But, they pay them each month. I doubt that is the majority, but it could 'splain some of them. :shrug:
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 15:44:23
Raine on 03/11/2008 15:44:23
G'mornin Izzy!
Comment by wickedpam on 03/11/2008 15:45:27
wickedpam on 03/11/2008 15:45:27
Hey Liv - If you talk to HBK let her know to check her PMs on AAP
Comment by starling310 on 03/11/2008 15:45:43
starling310 on 03/11/2008 15:45:43
Quote by IzzyBitz:Quote by starling310:Quote by velveeta jones:
Yes, Credit Cards, which require a signature, not debit which uses a PIN. I am shocked - that one dollar coffee might cost $10, $20 or more unless you pay it right away!!
I will say that I know people who have "rewards" cards and they use them for EVERYTHING. But, they pay them each month. I doubt that is the majority, but it could 'splain some of them.
:shrug:
Good morning all! Finally able to get here while you're actually blogging.
This is what I do, Star, although I use cash for small purchases. I pay the cards off each month and reap some rewards - air mileage and Costco rebates. It's the little presents in life that keep me going.
PreeeeeCISELY!
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 15:46:13
livingonli on 03/11/2008 15:46:13
Morning Izzy.
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 15:47:18
I've been talking to her via PM as well. She can't access them at work so she won't see them until she gets home in the evening.
livingonli on 03/11/2008 15:47:18
Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Liv - If you talk to HBK let her know to check her PMs on AAP
I've been talking to her via PM as well. She can't access them at work so she won't see them until she gets home in the evening.
Comment by TriSec on 03/11/2008 15:54:11
TriSec on 03/11/2008 15:54:11
*grunt*
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 15:56:24
livingonli on 03/11/2008 15:56:24
Sounds like the salt collapsed on Tri today.
Comment by TriSec on 03/11/2008 16:01:03
<-- gave up coffee for Lent
It's catching up.
TriSec on 03/11/2008 16:01:03
<-- gave up coffee for LentIt's catching up.
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 16:03:14
livingonli on 03/11/2008 16:03:14
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 16:04:15
livingonli on 03/11/2008 16:04:15
Sammy Cam is up.
Comment by TriSec on 03/11/2008 16:08:38
TriSec on 03/11/2008 16:08:38
Stocks are up, but at what cost?
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Stocks surged Tuesday morning after the Federal Reserve said it would loan up to $200 billion to banks and lenders in an effort to loosen up tight credit markets.
The Dow Jones industrial average (INDU) soared more than 250 points in the early going. The blue-chip index had ended the previous session at a 17-month low.
The broader Standard & Poor's 500 (SPX) index climbed 2.2%. after ending the previous session at a 19-month low. The Nasdaq composite (COMP) jumped 2.3% after ending the previous session at its lowest level in 18 months.
Gains were broad based, with all 30 Dow stocks rising. Financial components JP Morgan (JPM, Fortune 500), Citigroup (C, Fortune 500), Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500), American Express (AXP, Fortune 500) and AIG (AIG, Fortune 500) led the advance.
Stocks tumbled Monday for a third straight session on worries that the financial sector will see more writedowns related to the housing and credit crises. Those concerns remained Tuesday, but were countered by the Fed's plan to keep liquidity flowing in financial markets.
The Fed will make up to $200 billion available to cash-strapped banks and lenders. The loans will be available for a term of 28 days, rather than overnight. The program is being coordinated with central banks worldwide.
Investors, cheered by the injection of liquidity into the system, shook off a jump in energy prices. Oil prices surged to a new record trading high of $109.70 a barrel while gas prices hit $3.227 a gallon at the pump, matching the all-time record from last May.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Stocks surged Tuesday morning after the Federal Reserve said it would loan up to $200 billion to banks and lenders in an effort to loosen up tight credit markets.
The Dow Jones industrial average (INDU) soared more than 250 points in the early going. The blue-chip index had ended the previous session at a 17-month low.
The broader Standard & Poor's 500 (SPX) index climbed 2.2%. after ending the previous session at a 19-month low. The Nasdaq composite (COMP) jumped 2.3% after ending the previous session at its lowest level in 18 months.
Gains were broad based, with all 30 Dow stocks rising. Financial components JP Morgan (JPM, Fortune 500), Citigroup (C, Fortune 500), Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500), American Express (AXP, Fortune 500) and AIG (AIG, Fortune 500) led the advance.
Stocks tumbled Monday for a third straight session on worries that the financial sector will see more writedowns related to the housing and credit crises. Those concerns remained Tuesday, but were countered by the Fed's plan to keep liquidity flowing in financial markets.
The Fed will make up to $200 billion available to cash-strapped banks and lenders. The loans will be available for a term of 28 days, rather than overnight. The program is being coordinated with central banks worldwide.
Investors, cheered by the injection of liquidity into the system, shook off a jump in energy prices. Oil prices surged to a new record trading high of $109.70 a barrel while gas prices hit $3.227 a gallon at the pump, matching the all-time record from last May.
Comment by BobR on 03/11/2008 16:10:24
I gave up religion for Lent...
BobR on 03/11/2008 16:10:24
Quote by TriSec:
It's catching up.
I gave up religion for Lent...
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 16:10:29
livingonli on 03/11/2008 16:10:29
Lauren's a big spender.
Comment by BobR on 03/11/2008 16:12:48
Wow - you should post this in the thread on the MB...
(which is being ornery and slow this morning...)
BobR on 03/11/2008 16:12:48
Quote by livingonli:
Some questions about the Spitzer sex scandal especially the Feds role in it.
Wow - you should post this in the thread on the MB...
(which is being ornery and slow this morning...)
Comment by IzzyBitz on 03/11/2008 16:14:07
IzzyBitz on 03/11/2008 16:14:07
I wish Randi would take a permanent vacation so Sammy could have a permanent gig.
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 16:16:11
It is indeed.
livingonli on 03/11/2008 16:16:11
Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli:
Some questions about the Spitzer sex scandal especially the Feds role in it.
Wow - you should post this in the thread on the MB...
(which is being ornery and slow this morning...)
It is indeed.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 03/11/2008 16:17:31
I gave up lent for a clean belly button.
IzzyBitz on 03/11/2008 16:17:31
Quote by BobR:Quote by TriSec:
It's catching up.
I gave up religion for Lent...
I gave up lent for a clean belly button.
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 16:17:36
Raine on 03/11/2008 16:17:36
Sammy brings up good points about Spitzer, however, he all but admitted to it yesterday in his press conferance.
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 16:19:14
I just gave up...:P
Raine on 03/11/2008 16:19:14
Quote by IzzyBitz:I gave up lent for a clean belly button.Quote by BobR:I gave up religion for Lent...Quote by TriSec:
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 16:23:05
Liv I gotta give you a hat tip, you smelled the stink about this one yesterday!
I still say he needs to resign and then if this is the case, fight it like hell. it is a completley different thing. PLUS, he can fight it with the fact that they ARE giong after democracts in te Justice department. But we cannot have the stink around the party at this point in an election year.
Raine on 03/11/2008 16:23:05
Quote by livingonli:It is indeed.Quote by BobR:Wow - you should post this in the thread on the MB... (which is being ornery and slow this morning...)Quote by livingonli: Some questions about the Spitzer sex scandal especially the Feds role in it.
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 16:31:24
Spitzer should step down for the good of the party and the good of the state. I enthusiastically voted for him but have been disappointed with him as Governor, but I also think they have been gunning for him. The whole brouhah with Bruno a while back was part of it because he said that Spitzer was going after him may be part of it.
And I have to wonder how many of those stockbrokers who cheered are also clients of the Emperor Club Escort service?
livingonli on 03/11/2008 16:31:24
Quote by Raine:Liv I gotta give you a hat tip, you smelled the stink about this one yesterday!Quote by livingonli:Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli:
Some questions about the Spitzer sex scandal especially the Feds role in it.
Wow - you should post this in the thread on the MB...
(which is being ornery and slow this morning...)
It is indeed.
I still say he needs to resign and then if this is the case, fight it like hell. it is a completley different thing. PLUS, he can fight it with the fact that they ARE giong after democracts in te Justice department. But we cannot have the stink around the party at this point in an election year.
Spitzer should step down for the good of the party and the good of the state. I enthusiastically voted for him but have been disappointed with him as Governor, but I also think they have been gunning for him. The whole brouhah with Bruno a while back was part of it because he said that Spitzer was going after him may be part of it.
And I have to wonder how many of those stockbrokers who cheered are also clients of the Emperor Club Escort service?
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/11/2008 16:36:17
Only coffee? Try a Yerba Mate, just as much caffine without the shakes!!
velveeta jones on 03/11/2008 16:36:17
Quote by TriSec:
It's catching up.
Only coffee? Try a Yerba Mate, just as much caffine without the shakes!!
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 16:39:23
Raine on 03/11/2008 16:39:23
Ahhh... The Moonies... They had a BIG complex in Red Hook NY. Still do.
Beautiful campus.
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 16:40:20
Raine on 03/11/2008 16:40:20
The Unification Church has MANY front groups.
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 16:40:36
livingonli on 03/11/2008 16:40:36
The message board is running very slow. I am getting a lot of timing out errors.
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 16:42:03
Raine on 03/11/2008 16:42:03
Didn't the Washington Times' ownership change this year??
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 16:42:54
livingonli on 03/11/2008 16:42:54
So one of the Moonie Rags started the Obama Madrassa rumor (Making it up as they go along).
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 16:43:16
Here it is!
Raine on 03/11/2008 16:43:16
Quote by Raine: Ahhh... The Moonies... They had a BIG complex in Red Hook NY. Still do. Beautiful campus.
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 16:45:49
Raine on 03/11/2008 16:45:49
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 16:45:52
Just checked the Wiki article. Still owned by the Moonies but there were changes in the editiorial board.
livingonli on 03/11/2008 16:45:52
Quote by Raine:
Didn't the Washington Times' ownership change this year??
Just checked the Wiki article. Still owned by the Moonies but there were changes in the editiorial board.
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 16:56:00
aahhhh.... Interesting becuase I read that some of the changes that have been put in place include things like no lobger referring to the Dems as Democrats...
Raine on 03/11/2008 16:56:00
Quote by livingonli:Just checked the Wiki article. Still owned by the Moonies but there were changes in the editiorial board.Quote by Raine: Didn't the Washington Times' ownership change this year??
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/11/2008 17:24:36
velveeta jones on 03/11/2008 17:24:36
Let'm call us DemocRATS, I will call them RAPE-uplicans (or RAPE-ugly-cons, even).
:lol:
:lol:
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 17:26:54
livingonli on 03/11/2008 17:26:54
Anyone else having trouble with the Sammy Cam?
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 18:04:28
livingonli on 03/11/2008 18:04:28
Here's another thought: What ever happened to the investigations in the Duke Cunningham and Jack Abramoff cases where there were allegations that prostitutes were provided in exchange for favors? You notice you don't hear anything about that story.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/11/2008 18:08:08
wickedpam on 03/11/2008 18:08:08
Good points.
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 18:08:47
Raine on 03/11/2008 18:08:47
Thom!
Comment by BobR on 03/11/2008 18:11:15
I like re-pube-lickin's
BobR on 03/11/2008 18:11:15
Quote by velveeta jones:
Let'm call us DemocRATS, I will call them RAPE-uplicans (or RAPE-ugly-cons, even).
:lol:
I like re-pube-lickin's
Comment by BobR on 03/11/2008 18:13:47
OT: I believe you mentioned on the board last night that the dates were funky. The dates are stored in GMT, and a javascript should run after the blog page loads and convert the dates to your local time. If they're not, then either you don't have javascript enabled (unlikely) or your browser is having trouble determining your timezone localle...
Or you're just being impatient. :P
BobR on 03/11/2008 18:13:47
Quote by IzzyBitz:
I gave up lent for a clean belly button.
OT: I believe you mentioned on the board last night that the dates were funky. The dates are stored in GMT, and a javascript should run after the blog page loads and convert the dates to your local time. If they're not, then either you don't have javascript enabled (unlikely) or your browser is having trouble determining your timezone localle...
Or you're just being impatient. :P
Comment by TriSec on 03/11/2008 18:15:36
TriSec on 03/11/2008 18:15:36
Ah, remember the so-called "MREs" during the Haiti occupation?
Morally
Repugnant
Elites
I say we dust off the term and use it frequently!
Morally
Repugnant
Elites
I say we dust off the term and use it frequently!
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 18:18:09
I'm down with that.
livingonli on 03/11/2008 18:18:09
Quote by TriSec:
Ah, remember the so-called "MREs" during the Haiti occupation?
Morally
Repugnant
Elites
I say we dust off the term and use it frequently!
I'm down with that.
Comment by BobR on 03/11/2008 18:18:10
IPBFree may have been doing some maintenance. It seems to be running okay now...
BobR on 03/11/2008 18:18:10
Quote by livingonli:
The message board is running very slow. I am getting a lot of timing out errors.
IPBFree may have been doing some maintenance. It seems to be running okay now...
Comment by 
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 18:25:23
And David Vitter... I just got dumped from Bill O's radio show - figured I would as I wanted to point out the inconsistency between calling for Spitzer's resignation and not Vitter's. Of course, I probably shouldn't have started with "Hey Bill, hate the show but I listen anyway."
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 18:25:23
Quote by livingonli:
Here's another thought: What ever happened to the investigations in the Duke Cunningham and Jack Abramoff cases where there were allegations that prostitutes were provided in exchange for favors? You notice you don't hear anything about that story.
And David Vitter... I just got dumped from Bill O's radio show - figured I would as I wanted to point out the inconsistency between calling for Spitzer's resignation and not Vitter's. Of course, I probably shouldn't have started with "Hey Bill, hate the show but I listen anyway."
Comment by BobR on 03/11/2008 18:36:40
BobR on 03/11/2008 18:36:40
Quote by Shane-O:
And David Vitter... I just got dumped from Bill O's radio show - figured I would as I wanted to point out the inconsistency between calling for Spitzer's resignation and not Vitter's. Of course, I probably shouldn't have started with "Hey Bill, hate the show but I listen anyway."
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 18:43:28
:lol: Just watch out when Fox security pays you a visit.
livingonli on 03/11/2008 18:43:28
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by livingonli:
Here's another thought: What ever happened to the investigations in the Duke Cunningham and Jack Abramoff cases where there were allegations that prostitutes were provided in exchange for favors? You notice you don't hear anything about that story.
And David Vitter... I just got dumped from Bill O's radio show - figured I would as I wanted to point out the inconsistency between calling for Spitzer's resignation and not Vitter's. Of course, I probably shouldn't have started with "Hey Bill, hate the show but I listen anyway."
:lol: Just watch out when Fox security pays you a visit.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/11/2008 18:43:47
wickedpam on 03/11/2008 18:43:47
Heyya Shane-O
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 18:45:48
Oh, c'mon - that'd be fun! "Hey Jesse, would you like some coffee, you tool?" ::my camera rolling::
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 18:45:48
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Shane-O:Quote by livingonli:
Here's another thought: What ever happened to the investigations in the Duke Cunningham and Jack Abramoff cases where there were allegations that prostitutes were provided in exchange for favors? You notice you don't hear anything about that story.
And David Vitter... I just got dumped from Bill O's radio show - figured I would as I wanted to point out the inconsistency between calling for Spitzer's resignation and not Vitter's. Of course, I probably shouldn't have started with "Hey Bill, hate the show but I listen anyway."
:lol: Just watch out when Fox security pays you a visit.
Oh, c'mon - that'd be fun! "Hey Jesse, would you like some coffee, you tool?" ::my camera rolling::
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 18:47:39
Hi Pam - and to all - sry I didn't greet on the way in - laughing too hard at the Bill O "producers"
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 18:47:39
Quote by wickedpam:
Heyya Shane-O
Hi Pam - and to all - sry I didn't greet on the way in - laughing too hard at the Bill O "producers"
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 18:52:26
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 18:52:26
And on TriSec's post (well done, BTW) - the scariest part is that this is all on the US credit card. Shifting that money elsewhere probably wouldn't happen because IT'S NOT OUR MONEY! - So it's way more than $500 billion + additional costs. It's all that, plus interest. And the people/nations that hold that debt do not have our best interests at heart. We won the Cold War via a battle of financial attrition. Might China and others use that same tactic in the future?
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 19:00:32
livingonli on 03/11/2008 19:00:32
Lauren brings Sam a big bag of money. She's so cute when she laughs. 
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 19:04:03
livingonli on 03/11/2008 19:04:03
And now I am heading off to work.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/11/2008 19:05:30
wickedpam on 03/11/2008 19:05:30
No worries Shane-O :D
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 19:06:29
Have a great rest of the day!
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 19:06:29
Quote by livingonli:
And now I am heading off to work.
Have a great rest of the day!
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 19:11:32
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 19:11:32
I miss SM and Co. -- "My name is Shane-O, and I'm a Steph-a-holic." I've been using my dedicated SMS time to stock up on drops and bumps, but still... 
Comment by TriSec on 03/11/2008 19:25:47
TriSec on 03/11/2008 19:25:47
Dow is up 354 today.
Boy, I wish the feds would throw $200 Billion at me, that would solve all of my short-term issues, too!
Boy, I wish the feds would throw $200 Billion at me, that would solve all of my short-term issues, too!
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 19:34:11
Hate to be more of a buzz-kill today than I already have been, but when the Fed floods the market not only with cash, but "cheap" cash (i.e., lowering the interest rates AGAIN) - the value of the dollar continues downward. Thus, inflation (not core) and higher oil prices (as the cost of a barrel of oil on the international markets is still linked to the US dollar).
Helps Wall Street though! Hurray!
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 19:34:11
Quote by TriSec:
Dow is up 354 today.
Boy, I wish the feds would throw $200 Billion at me, that would solve all of my short-term issues, too!
Hate to be more of a buzz-kill today than I already have been, but when the Fed floods the market not only with cash, but "cheap" cash (i.e., lowering the interest rates AGAIN) - the value of the dollar continues downward. Thus, inflation (not core) and higher oil prices (as the cost of a barrel of oil on the international markets is still linked to the US dollar).
Helps Wall Street though! Hurray!
Comment by BobR on 03/11/2008 19:35:45
The first step is admitting you have a problem.
Of course - we all know that come Monday morning, you'll start using again...
BobR on 03/11/2008 19:35:45
Quote by Shane-O:
I miss SM and Co. -- "My name is Shane-O, and I'm a Steph-a-holic." I've been using my dedicated SMS time to stock up on drops and bumps, but still...
The first step is admitting you have a problem.
Of course - we all know that come Monday morning, you'll start using again...
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 19:38:07
Raine on 03/11/2008 19:38:07
never mind... 
:rofl:
:rofl:
Comment by BobR on 03/11/2008 19:39:51
I'm think of converting all my investments to Euros and burying them in a can in the back yard...
BobR on 03/11/2008 19:39:51
Quote by Shane-O:
Hate to be more of a buzz-kill today than I already have been, but when the Fed floods the market not only with cash, but "cheap" cash (i.e., lowering the interest rates AGAIN) - the value of the dollar continues downward. Thus, inflation (not core) and higher oil prices (as the cost of a barrel of oil on the international markets is still linked to the US dollar).
Helps Wall Street though! Hurray!
I'm think of converting all my investments to Euros and burying them in a can in the back yard...
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 19:43:14
::Tom Delay:: thas not buzshkill, thsaa trooth!
Raine on 03/11/2008 19:43:14
Quote by Shane-O:Hate to be more of a buzz-kill today than I already have been, but when the Fed floods the market not only with cash, but "cheap" cash (i.e., lowering the interest rates AGAIN) - the value of the dollar continues downward. Thus, inflation (not core) and higher oil prices (as the cost of a barrel of oil on the international markets is still linked to the US dollar).Quote by TriSec: Dow is up 354 today. Boy, I wish the feds would throw $200 Billion at me, that would solve all of my short-term issues, too!
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 19:46:50
Both work for me.
:puke:
I prefer Raypube-lickin's these days.
Raine on 03/11/2008 19:46:50
Quote by BobR:I like re-pube-lickin'sQuote by velveeta jones: Let'm call us DemocRATS, I will call them RAPE-uplicans (or RAPE-ugly-cons, even). :lol:
:puke:
I prefer Raypube-lickin's these days.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 19:48:21
And (more buzz-kill ) - so are foreign, unstable governments - and their liquidation of US dollars floods the international markets - ARGH! 
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 19:48:21
Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
Hate to be more of a buzz-kill today than I already have been, but when the Fed floods the market not only with cash, but "cheap" cash (i.e., lowering the interest rates AGAIN) - the value of the dollar continues downward. Thus, inflation (not core) and higher oil prices (as the cost of a barrel of oil on the international markets is still linked to the US dollar).
Helps Wall Street though! Hurray!
I'm think of converting all my investments to Euros and burying them in a can in the back yard...
And (more buzz-kill
) - so are foreign, unstable governments - and their liquidation of US dollars floods the international markets - ARGH!
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 19:50:48
That's it! The key to it all - more booze! Or at least that's a "solution"?
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 19:50:48
Quote by Raine:::Tom Delay:: thas not buzshkill, thsaa trooth!Quote by Shane-O:Quote by TriSec:
Dow is up 354 today.
Boy, I wish the feds would throw $200 Billion at me, that would solve all of my short-term issues, too!
Hate to be more of a buzz-kill today than I already have been, but when the Fed floods the market not only with cash, but "cheap" cash (i.e., lowering the interest rates AGAIN) - the value of the dollar continues downward. Thus, inflation (not core) and higher oil prices (as the cost of a barrel of oil on the international markets is still linked to the US dollar).
Helps Wall Street though! Hurray!
That's it! The key to it all - more booze!
Or at least that's a "solution"?
Comment by IzzyBitz on 03/11/2008 19:57:23
IzzyBitz on 03/11/2008 19:57:23
BobR, no patience? It's as if you live in my head!
Excellent job Shane-O. When the Bill-O security shows up, you can show them your pipe, baby!
When I convert my stocks to Euros, I'll have to keep a few for gas. Jeebus. It's outrageous out here.
Excellent job Shane-O. When the Bill-O security shows up, you can show them your pipe, baby!
When I convert my stocks to Euros, I'll have to keep a few for gas. Jeebus. It's outrageous out here.
Comment by TriSec on 03/11/2008 20:03:31
TriSec on 03/11/2008 20:03:31
Wasn't it Lizz Winstead that said way back when, we should all invest in porn?
It is, after all, one of the few remaining growth industries in the US. (besides what my company does, of course. )
Coming soon from "Four Freedoms Inc, LLC....www.LibPorn.net" That's right, visit our website and see hot steamy liberals in action with civil rights, the Constitution and three functioning "branches" of government, all from the comfort and privacy of your own home.
Only $9.99 per month, or $100/year...payable by cash or money order only! (we don't take no steenkin' credit cards!)
It is, after all, one of the few remaining growth industries in the US. (besides what my company does, of course.
)Coming soon from "Four Freedoms Inc, LLC....www.LibPorn.net" That's right, visit our website and see hot steamy liberals in action with civil rights, the Constitution and three functioning "branches" of government, all from the comfort and privacy of your own home.
Only $9.99 per month, or $100/year...payable by cash or money order only! (we don't take no steenkin' credit cards!)
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 20:10:35
Raine on 03/11/2008 20:10:35
OK, I loves me my sammy. but we have entered to old man story telling zone... PLUs, I am a little taken back at how much Maron looks like Lou Reed. yes, I am heading over to Randi.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 20:12:21
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 20:12:21
Needs a "bling":
Only $9.99 per month, or $100/year...payable by cash or money order only! (we don't take no steenkin' credit cards!)
Only $9.99 per month, or $100/year...payable by cash or money order only! (we don't take no steenkin' credit cards!)
Comment by TriSec on 03/11/2008 20:20:35
TriSec on 03/11/2008 20:20:35
Drunk crashes into police station
1/2 mile from my house!
The story references the 'rear entrance'...the Waltham PD is off-street. in order to get to the rear entrance, you drive in the cruiser-only driveway then turn around the maintenance building. That guy was drunk, alright....
1/2 mile from my house!
The story references the 'rear entrance'...the Waltham PD is off-street. in order to get to the rear entrance, you drive in the cruiser-only driveway then turn around the maintenance building. That guy was drunk, alright....
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 20:20:44
OH maaaAAaaan! *sigh*
Alright... here is a free preview... ALL LIBERAL! ALL THE TIME! Civil Liberties AND personal Freedom! bwa chicka mwa mwa
... and if you act right now, not only will you get a free brazilian, you will get your right to say whatever you want to me! so CALL NOW!
PLUSAs an added bonus gift, we will restore the constitution in YOUR NAME!
(hey, fellow Admins... Is this a good time to start a *help Wanted Blog* blog?)
:rofl:
Raine on 03/11/2008 20:20:44
Quote by TriSec:
Wasn't it Lizz Winstead that said way back when, we should all invest in porn?
It is, after all, one of the few remaining growth industries in the US. (besides what my company does, of course.
Coming soon from "Four Freedoms Inc, LLC....www.LibPorn.net" That's right, visit our website and see hot steamy liberals in action with civil rights, the Constitution and three functioning "branches" of government, all from the comfort and privacy of your own home.
Only $9.99 per month, or $100/year...payable by cash or money order only! (we don't take no steenkin' credit cards!)
Alright... here is a free preview...
ALL LIBERAL! ALL THE TIME! Civil Liberties AND personal Freedom! bwa chicka mwa mwa... and if you act right now, not only will you get a free brazilian, you will get your right to say whatever you want to me! so CALL NOW!
PLUSAs an added bonus gift, we will restore the constitution in YOUR NAME!
(hey, fellow Admins... Is this a good time to start a *help Wanted Blog* blog?)
:rofl:
Comment by 
MMB on 03/11/2008 20:28:03
MMB on 03/11/2008 20:28:03
HI I am wondering about how we judge others in this world when a public person does what millions of people do become a JOHN why are we so shocked? I have a very close relative that has been with high priced call girls for years. He just has never gotten caught. I am wondering why it seems to be ok to indulge in hookers and porn they seem to go together just from my POV. It really does just show that we may think we know someone and they are doing the very thing public people are doing they just haven't been busted yet. I guess if its your loved one up there with all there perversions being broadcast world wide it might be a little different. Again this is just my POV.
Comment by TriSec on 03/11/2008 20:31:43
TriSec on 03/11/2008 20:31:43
Off to class tonight....
Not a good week, I've been fighting with "Desafinado" for days now; it's winning. (tricky rhythm, it's all syncopated eighths...)
Not a good week, I've been fighting with "Desafinado" for days now; it's winning. (tricky rhythm, it's all syncopated eighths...)
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 20:38:13
Raine on 03/11/2008 20:38:13
OK, Tuning into Randi... and you know what? very interesting.
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 20:43:35
Raine on 03/11/2008 20:43:35
WHERE IS JOHN?!?!? HELLO! John is busy doing the work of the people! HE is working with SEIU and MoveOn to make the American people aware that our reciession is directly tied to the Iraq War. ...
In other words...
John is now an activist. And rightfully so, staying out of this debacle of a campaign.
In other words...
John is now an activist. And rightfully so, staying out of this debacle of a campaign.
Comment by BobR on 03/11/2008 20:44:40
When this public person has actively persecuted prostitution rings, and based his campaign on cleaning things up, it reeks of hypocrisy when he's caught wallowing in the mud. It's the same type of moral hypocrisy we condemn in the Republicans.
One other minor difference is that generally prostitution is illegal and porn is generally legal. As former officer of the law and current governor, he broke the law.
BobR on 03/11/2008 20:44:40
Quote by MMB:
HI I am wondering about how we judge others in this world when a public person does what millions of people do become a JOHN why are we so shocked? I have a very close relative that has been with high priced call girls for years. He just has never gotten caught. I am wondering why it seems to be ok to indulge in hookers and porn they seem to go together just from my POV. It really does just show that we may think we know someone and they are doing the very thing public people are doing they just haven't been busted yet. I guess if its your loved one up there with all there perversions being broadcast world wide it might be a little different. Again this is just my POV.
When this public person has actively persecuted prostitution rings, and based his campaign on cleaning things up, it reeks of hypocrisy when he's caught wallowing in the mud. It's the same type of moral hypocrisy we condemn in the Republicans.
One other minor difference is that generally prostitution is illegal and porn is generally legal. As former officer of the law and current governor, he broke the law.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 20:47:10
Well put, BobR.
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 20:47:10
Quote by BobR:Quote by MMB:
HI I am wondering about how we judge others in this world when a public person does what millions of people do become a JOHN why are we so shocked? I have a very close relative that has been with high priced call girls for years. He just has never gotten caught. I am wondering why it seems to be ok to indulge in hookers and porn they seem to go together just from my POV. It really does just show that we may think we know someone and they are doing the very thing public people are doing they just haven't been busted yet. I guess if its your loved one up there with all there perversions being broadcast world wide it might be a little different. Again this is just my POV.
When this public person has actively persecuted prostitution rings, and based his campaign on cleaning things up, it reeks of hypocrisy when he's caught wallowing in the mud. It's the same type of moral hypocrisy we condemn in the Republicans.
One other minor difference is that generally prostitution is illegal and porn is generally legal. As former officer of the law and current governor, he broke the law.
Well put, BobR.
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 20:51:24
As Homer Simpson once said, "To Alcohol! The cause of and the solution to all our problems."
livingonli on 03/11/2008 20:51:24
Quote by Shane-O:
That's it! The key to it all - more booze!
As Homer Simpson once said, "To Alcohol! The cause of and the solution to all our problems."
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 20:58:09
HA! :lol:
I acutally did that clip as an SM drop a bit back (2-27-08)... I'm sending it to the 4F staff now...
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 20:58:09
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Shane-O:
That's it! The key to it all - more booze!
As Homer Simpson once said, "To Alcohol! The cause of and the solution to all our problems."
HA! :lol:
I acutally did that clip as an SM drop a bit back (2-27-08)... I'm sending it to the 4F staff now...
Comment by BobR on 03/11/2008 21:00:29
There's a bar near us (the North Highland Pub) that has that and about 10 other notable quotes relating to alcohol etched into it. It takes up half a wall.
Needless to say, it's a great place.
BobR on 03/11/2008 21:00:29
Quote by livingonli:
As Homer Simpson once said, "To Alcohol! The cause of and the solution to all our problems."
There's a bar near us (the North Highland Pub) that has that and about 10 other notable quotes relating to alcohol etched into it. It takes up half a wall.
Needless to say, it's a great place.
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 21:05:37
Raine on 03/11/2008 21:05:37
:clap: eggcellant!
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 21:24:30
Raine on 03/11/2008 21:24:30
HERe is the thing that has me a little stunned about Randi these days. She has ALWAYS said that she will not throw support behind any candidate before the GE, and it seems a little strange, because while she has NOT endorsed Obama, I think it is pretty clear, she is a LOT less than happy with Clinton.
The oeher thing I recall is that Randi said that if this comes down to the Superdelagates, and they chooses a person who DID not get the popular vote, she will not vote.
That's pretty big.
The oeher thing I recall is that Randi said that if this comes down to the Superdelagates, and they chooses a person who DID not get the popular vote, she will not vote.
That's pretty big.
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 21:26:51
a Paul supporter in denial on the phone...
Raine on 03/11/2008 21:26:51
a Paul supporter in denial on the phone...
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 21:28:42
Raine on 03/11/2008 21:28:42
Wow. caller learned in the past 8 months that Al qaueda is a bad thing. ....
Well, we can thank Ron Paul for that...
I mean that seriously. All those Ron Paul supporters now have to make a decision, either you are with McCain or you are not.
Perhaps, that could be to our benefit.
Well, we can thank Ron Paul for that...
I mean that seriously. All those Ron Paul supporters now have to make a decision, either you are with McCain or you are not.
Perhaps, that could be to our benefit.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 21:29:22
Quite big.
Query - which definition of "popular vote"? No matter the seating of the MI and FL delegates, there is another layer on the Superdelegate front: what if the popular vote minus MI and FL favors Obama and the popular vote with MI and FL favors Clinton. What then? Which count should the Superdelegates look too? -- no doubt we can assume the arguments of the candidates - but, which lends legitimacy - if any?
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 21:29:22
Quote by Raine:
HERe is the thing that has me a little stunned about Randi these days. She has ALWAYS said that she will not throw support behind any candidate before the GE, and it seems a little strange, because while she has NOT endorsed Obama, I think it is pretty clear, she is a LOT less than happy with Clinton.
The oeher thing I recall is that Randi said that if this comes down to the Superdelagates, and they chooses a person who DID not get the popular vote, she will not vote.
That's pretty big.
Quite big.
Query - which definition of "popular vote"? No matter the seating of the MI and FL delegates, there is another layer on the Superdelegate front: what if the popular vote minus MI and FL favors Obama and the popular vote with MI and FL favors Clinton. What then? Which count should the Superdelegates look too? -- no doubt we can assume the arguments of the candidates - but, which lends legitimacy - if any?
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/11/2008 21:30:06
Was he headed in the direction of saying we should be more afraid of Mexicans and other immigrants moving in and taking over our country than Al Qaeda? wow.
jd_in_ny on 03/11/2008 21:30:06
Quote by Raine:
Was he headed in the direction of saying we should be more afraid of Mexicans and other immigrants moving in and taking over our country than Al Qaeda? wow.
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 21:30:06
Raine on 03/11/2008 21:30:06
Oh dear... I mused again... I will get to that after I get done with la casa de la BRaine.
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 21:30:28
livingonli on 03/11/2008 21:30:28
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 22:01:48
You know I am not sure... I sorta thought that it was interesting that he was saying that he learned so much in the past 8 months.... And Randi was trying to tell him that he is pretty much a racist. I doubt that he could understand that part.
Ron Paul was good for ONE thing: he was against the war.
The rest? I had a LOT of problems with him, particularly the fact that he was more than willing to get rid of government.
The race thing was a bit of an issue with me, but Hell, that one would have been EASY to fight. ;)
Raine on 03/11/2008 22:01:48
Quote by jd_in_ny:Quote by Raine:
Was he headed in the direction of saying we should be more afraid of Mexicans and other immigrants moving in and taking over our country than Al Qaeda? wow.
Ron Paul was good for ONE thing: he was against the war.
The rest? I had a LOT of problems with him, particularly the fact that he was more than willing to get rid of government.
The race thing was a bit of an issue with me, but Hell, that one would have been EASY to fight. ;)
Comment by BobR on 03/11/2008 22:01:58
What about the popular vote and delegates for Obama in FL and MI?
Oh that's right - he wasn't on the ballot.
What about THOSE disenfranchised voters?
BobR on 03/11/2008 22:01:58
Quote by Shane-O:
Quite big.
Query - which definition of "popular vote"? No matter the seating of the MI and FL delegates, there is another layer on the Superdelegate front: what if the popular vote minus MI and FL favors Obama and the popular vote with MI and FL favors Clinton. What then? Which count should the Superdelegates look too? -- no doubt we can assume the arguments of the candidates - but, which lends legitimacy - if any?
What about the popular vote and delegates for Obama in FL and MI?
Oh that's right - he wasn't on the ballot.
What about THOSE disenfranchised voters?
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 22:09:41
Please don't get me wrong - I'm not taking a position on it. Only pointing out yet another problem we'll face in the argument regarding Superdelegates.
If I had to take a position - neither the delegates nor the popular vote counts of either MI or FL should count in the calculations. But the arguments will be made.
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 22:09:41
Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
Quite big.
Query - which definition of "popular vote"? No matter the seating of the MI and FL delegates, there is another layer on the Superdelegate front: what if the popular vote minus MI and FL favors Obama and the popular vote with MI and FL favors Clinton. What then? Which count should the Superdelegates look too? -- no doubt we can assume the arguments of the candidates - but, which lends legitimacy - if any?
What about the popular vote and delegates for Obama in FL and MI?
Oh that's right - he wasn't on the ballot.
What about THOSE disenfranchised voters?
Please don't get me wrong - I'm not taking a position on it. Only pointing out yet another problem we'll face in the argument regarding Superdelegates.
If I had to take a position - neither the delegates nor the popular vote counts of either MI or FL should count in the calculations. But the arguments will be made.
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 22:11:13
FL and MI are wild cards. I think I see where you are going.
Right now, w/o MIand Fl, Obama is still more than a half million votes ahead of Clinton. HE is leading when you count ALL the votes.
MI and FL are the noose around the neck of everyone.
AND... even then, quite honestly, If we were to count those states (Florida might be easier sine he WAS on the ballot) I suspect you will see that the popular vote will still tilt towards Obama. Hillary got 60% percent in MI, compared to 40% uncommitted. I have a feeling that in MI, many people weren't aware that they could not do write -ins. They saw hillary, with Barack and they voted. I do not blame them, mind you... but what a dif it would have been if EVERYONE knew that you could NOT write in a candidate. A lot of people go in and vote what they see. (I hope that makes sense)
I should go look into this in more depth. I would like to know what the vote count was in FLorida.
Raine on 03/11/2008 22:11:13
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
HERe is the thing that has me a little stunned about Randi these days. She has ALWAYS said that she will not throw support behind any candidate before the GE, and it seems a little strange, because while she has NOT endorsed Obama, I think it is pretty clear, she is a LOT less than happy with Clinton.
The oeher thing I recall is that Randi said that if this comes down to the Superdelagates, and they chooses a person who DID not get the popular vote, she will not vote.
That's pretty big.
Quite big.
Query - which definition of "popular vote"? No matter the seating of the MI and FL delegates, there is another layer on the Superdelegate front: what if the popular vote minus MI and FL favors Obama and the popular vote with MI and FL favors Clinton. What then? Which count should the Superdelegates look too? -- no doubt we can assume the arguments of the candidates - but, which lends legitimacy - if any?
Right now, w/o MIand Fl, Obama is still more than a half million votes ahead of Clinton. HE is leading when you count ALL the votes.
MI and FL are the noose around the neck of everyone.
AND... even then, quite honestly, If we were to count those states (Florida might be easier sine he WAS on the ballot) I suspect you will see that the popular vote will still tilt towards Obama. Hillary got 60% percent in MI, compared to 40% uncommitted. I have a feeling that in MI, many people weren't aware that they could not do write -ins. They saw hillary, with Barack and they voted. I do not blame them, mind you... but what a dif it would have been if EVERYONE knew that you could NOT write in a candidate. A lot of people go in and vote what they see. (I hope that makes sense)
I should go look into this in more depth. I would like to know what the vote count was in FLorida.
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 22:14:20
livingonli on 03/11/2008 22:14:20
Obama was on the ballot in Florida just not Michigan where he and Edwards along with most of the candidates stood by their agreement to withdraw their names from the ballot when the Party announced they wouldn't recognize that primary.
But many apparently also stayed home that day (more so in Florida) because they felt it was pointless if the vote was going to count.
But many apparently also stayed home that day (more so in Florida) because they felt it was pointless if the vote was going to count.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 22:16:14
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 22:16:14
Maybe I can say it better (it is happy hour, ya know!)
Consider this hypothetical (and it's not that far out).
Obama wins more states. Obama wins more pledged delegates. Obama wins the popular vote, not including MI and FL.
Clinton wins the popular vote when including MI and FL.
Superdelegates have free reign. The DNC rule regarding pledged delegates don't apply - what if the Superdelegates say, well - in an effort to "enfranchise" FL and MI, we'll go with the popular vote including them?
It's not outside the "rules." And it makes for one big clusterf*%k
Consider this hypothetical (and it's not that far out).
Obama wins more states. Obama wins more pledged delegates. Obama wins the popular vote, not including MI and FL.
Clinton wins the popular vote when including MI and FL.
Superdelegates have free reign. The DNC rule regarding pledged delegates don't apply - what if the Superdelegates say, well - in an effort to "enfranchise" FL and MI, we'll go with the popular vote including them?
It's not outside the "rules." And it makes for one big clusterf*%k
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 22:16:45
Raine on 03/11/2008 22:16:45
The way I am seeing it, BArack Obama would still lead in the popular vote if you counted FLorida, in regards to Michigan... there is no way to tell. if you gave him 40% (all the uncommitted votes) he would still be ahead.
As of this weekend he was ahead by half a million votes...
a Little O/T: As I type this, I am gettting more and more incensed about the fact that we have OPEN primaries. we should NOT have them .... PERIOD. I don't want repubs interfering with our party primaries, and YES, I do not want Dems to do that to them.
As of this weekend he was ahead by half a million votes...
a Little O/T: As I type this, I am gettting more and more incensed about the fact that we have OPEN primaries. we should NOT have them .... PERIOD. I don't want repubs interfering with our party primaries, and YES, I do not want Dems to do that to them.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 22:20:05
Unfortunately, at this point - if you add MI and FL to the popular vote totals, Obama is only up bu about 3,500 votes out of 25,000,000 cast. After PA - very well could switch - thus my concern.
Of course, this all gets settled with a re-vote (an honest one). Call me crazy - I don't have a lot of faith in Howie...
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 22:20:05
Quote by Raine:FL and MI are wild cards. I think I see where you are going.Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
HERe is the thing that has me a little stunned about Randi these days. She has ALWAYS said that she will not throw support behind any candidate before the GE, and it seems a little strange, because while she has NOT endorsed Obama, I think it is pretty clear, she is a LOT less than happy with Clinton.
The oeher thing I recall is that Randi said that if this comes down to the Superdelagates, and they chooses a person who DID not get the popular vote, she will not vote.
That's pretty big.
Quite big.
Query - which definition of "popular vote"? No matter the seating of the MI and FL delegates, there is another layer on the Superdelegate front: what if the popular vote minus MI and FL favors Obama and the popular vote with MI and FL favors Clinton. What then? Which count should the Superdelegates look too? -- no doubt we can assume the arguments of the candidates - but, which lends legitimacy - if any?
Right now, w/o MIand Fl, Obama is still more than a half million votes ahead of Clinton. HE is leading when you count ALL the votes.
MI and FL are the noose around the neck of everyone.
AND... even then, quite honestly, If we were to count those states (Florida might be easier sine he WAS on the ballot) I suspect you will see that the popular vote will still tilt towards Obama. Hillary got 60% percent in MI, compared to 40% uncommitted. I have a feeling that in MI, many people weren't aware that they could not do write -ins. They saw hillary, with Barack and they voted. I do not blame them, mind you... but what a dif it would have been if EVERYONE knew that you could NOT write in a candidate. A lot of people go in and vote what they see. (I hope that makes sense)
I should go look into this in more depth. I would like to know what the vote count was in FLorida.
Unfortunately, at this point - if you add MI and FL to the popular vote totals, Obama is only up bu about 3,500 votes out of 25,000,000 cast. After PA - very well could switch - thus my concern.
Of course, this all gets settled with a re-vote (an honest one). Call me crazy - I don't have a lot of faith in Howie...
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 22:21:08
livingonli on 03/11/2008 22:21:08
In the case of MI, that 40% would have to factor Obama, Edwards, Dodd, and whoever was on the ballot other than Hillary, Kucinich, Gravel, and whoever else that were on the Michigan primary. I think only Biden and Richardson had dropped out at that point.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 22:27:22
Great point! - I wonder if the convention would allow all the 40% uncommitted votes to go to Obama? I got NO idea!
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 22:27:22
Quote by Raine:
The way I am seeing it, BArack Obama would still lead in the popular vote if you counted FLorida, in regards to Michigan... there is no way to tell. if you gave him 40% (all the uncommitted votes) he would still be ahead.
As of this weekend he was ahead by half a million votes...
a Little O/T: As I type this, I am gettting more and more incensed about the fact that we have OPEN primaries. we should NOT have them .... PERIOD. I don't want repubs interfering with our party primaries, and YES, I do not want Dems to do that to them.
Great point! - I wonder if the convention would allow all the 40% uncommitted votes to go to Obama? I got NO idea!
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 22:33:25
That is the problem...
I still don't see the entire race coming down to FLorida and Michigan. But I get the muse. WE do have a clusterf*ck, indeed.
I am still feeling like the rules should be the rules. I am NOT happy about those people not having thier vote count, but for the love of god, where were they when this was happening?
IF they want the votes to count, then either a new primary or a caucus NEEDS to happen. Otherwise, the people of these 2 states need to get up and start being more active about thier votes!
GAH!
I can find fault EVERYWHERE. The DNC made it clear that states cannot keep moving the primaries up the way they were, and they said that these consequences would happen. SOMETHING had to be done, becuase at the time, if NOTHING happened, we would have been having friggin primaries LAST YEAR.
Raine on 03/11/2008 22:33:25
Quote by Shane-O:
Maybe I can say it better (it is happy hour, ya know!)
Consider this hypothetical (and it's not that far out).
Obama wins more states. Obama wins more pledged delegates. Obama wins the popular vote, not including MI and FL.
Clinton wins the popular vote when including MI and FL.
Superdelegates have free reign. The DNC rule regarding pledged delegates don't apply - what if the Superdelegates say, well - in an effort to "enfranchise" FL and MI, we'll go with the popular vote including them?
It's not outside the "rules." And it makes for one big clusterf*%k
I still don't see the entire race coming down to FLorida and Michigan. But I get the muse. WE do have a clusterf*ck, indeed.
I am still feeling like the rules should be the rules. I am NOT happy about those people not having thier vote count, but for the love of god, where were they when this was happening?
IF they want the votes to count, then either a new primary or a caucus NEEDS to happen. Otherwise, the people of these 2 states need to get up and start being more active about thier votes!
GAH!
I can find fault EVERYWHERE. The DNC made it clear that states cannot keep moving the primaries up the way they were, and they said that these consequences would happen. SOMETHING had to be done, becuase at the time, if NOTHING happened, we would have been having friggin primaries LAST YEAR.
Comment by Raine on 03/11/2008 22:35:35
That would also mean that they would have to go back and ask who uncommitted meant... and that is a BIG problem I have with the state of Michigan.
They took away the right for write in votes.
Raine on 03/11/2008 22:35:35
Quote by livingonli:
In the case of MI, that 40% would have to factor Obama, Edwards, Dodd, and whoever was on the ballot other than Hillary, Kucinich, Gravel, and whoever else that were on the Michigan primary. I think only Biden and Richardson had dropped out at that point.
They took away the right for write in votes.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 22:39:37
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 22:39:37
All this does get down to the base problem: no matter how this works itself out, just about half the Dem party is going to be pissed.
I only hope there is a way that the half that is pissed won't be so much so that they stay home.
Truly worries me.
And with that, I turn to the "solution" again! :Drink:
Sorry to be so serious - I can be quite silly too - I hope you all know?
I only hope there is a way that the half that is pissed won't be so much so that they stay home.
Truly worries me.
And with that, I turn to the "solution" again! :Drink:
Sorry to be so serious - I can be quite silly too - I hope you all know?
Comment by livingonli on 03/11/2008 22:49:04
This election campaign is long enough as it is. It's bad enough that Iowa was on January 2nd. This is part of why the election is so expensive is because it takes so long. And how would we have felt if primaries and caucuses were being held in 2007?
I like how most Parliamentary Democracies only have a 30-45 day election campaign.
livingonli on 03/11/2008 22:49:04
Quote by Raine:
GAH!
I can find fault EVERYWHERE. The DNC made it clear that states cannot keep moving the primaries up the way they were, and they said that these consequences would happen. SOMETHING had to be done, becuase at the time, if NOTHING happened, we would have been having friggin primaries LAST YEAR.
This election campaign is long enough as it is. It's bad enough that Iowa was on January 2nd. This is part of why the election is so expensive is because it takes so long. And how would we have felt if primaries and caucuses were being held in 2007?
I like how most Parliamentary Democracies only have a 30-45 day election campaign.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 22:52:06
Amen on the Parliamentary idea, liv!
Also gets rid of the need for impeachments - so putzes with 19% approval ratings would not last long in office...
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 22:52:06
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:
GAH!
I can find fault EVERYWHERE. The DNC made it clear that states cannot keep moving the primaries up the way they were, and they said that these consequences would happen. SOMETHING had to be done, becuase at the time, if NOTHING happened, we would have been having friggin primaries LAST YEAR.
This election campaign is long enough as it is. It's bad enough that Iowa was on January 2nd. This is part of why the election is so expensive is because it takes so long. And how would we have felt if primaries and caucuses were being held in 2007?
I like how most Parliamentary Democracies only have a 30-45 day election campaign.
Amen on the Parliamentary idea, liv!
Also gets rid of the need for impeachments - so putzes with 19% approval ratings would not last long in office...
Comment by BobR on 03/11/2008 22:58:18
I understand that - hence, my counter-arguments.
It's so friggin' obvious.
BobR on 03/11/2008 22:58:18
Quote by Shane-O:
Please don't get me wrong - I'm not taking a position on it. Only pointing out yet another problem we'll face in the argument regarding Superdelegates.
If I had to take a position - neither the delegates nor the popular vote counts of either MI or FL should count in the calculations. But the arguments will be made.
I understand that - hence, my counter-arguments.
It's so friggin' obvious.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/11/2008 23:13:03
Shane-O on 03/11/2008 23:13:03
I gotta go for a bit - heading out to my local booze trader so I might have an actual drink as the election results come in tonight.
Wish me luck - as I will likely get critiqued on any SMS bit I've done since my last visit...
Wish me luck - as I will likely get critiqued on any SMS bit I've done since my last visit...
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 00:20:11
Sry - didn't mean to be insultingly basic. Not my intent.
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 00:20:11
Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
Please don't get me wrong - I'm not taking a position on it. Only pointing out yet another problem we'll face in the argument regarding Superdelegates.
If I had to take a position - neither the delegates nor the popular vote counts of either MI or FL should count in the calculations. But the arguments will be made.
I understand that - hence, my counter-arguments.
It's so friggin' obvious.
Sry - didn't mean to be insultingly basic. Not my intent.
Comment by 
m-hadley on 03/12/2008 00:34:45
m-hadley on 03/12/2008 00:34:45
Radical Hussein Librarian says:
This is the radical militant librarian checking in from outraged Tulsa, Oklahoma - in case you all missed it, one of our state legislators (Sally “Krazy” Kern) went on an anti-gay tirade. Check it out over at Crooks & Liars: Just a little reminder of what we are up against here in the heart of red America… ;(
Peace out…
BTB, I'm taking in a friend from the nuthouse (psych hospital) tonight - wish me luck - hope she doesn't sell my stuff at a pawn shop tomorrow =( :nervous:
Cheers,
mfaye
This is the radical militant librarian checking in from outraged Tulsa, Oklahoma - in case you all missed it, one of our state legislators (Sally “Krazy” Kern) went on an anti-gay tirade. Check it out over at Crooks & Liars: Just a little reminder of what we are up against here in the heart of red America… ;(
Peace out…
BTB, I'm taking in a friend from the nuthouse (psych hospital) tonight - wish me luck - hope she doesn't sell my stuff at a pawn shop tomorrow =( :nervous:
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 01:03:27
livingonli on 03/12/2008 01:03:27
Hi Faye. I think someone here posted that last week. She is some piece of work along with the rest of the Fundies. As if the two Senators weren't bad enough. I still remember the one complaining about NBC running Schindler's List uncut. Yeah, because you know concentration camp inmates get me hot. 
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/12/2008 01:12:26
Mondobubba on 03/12/2008 01:12:26
Mondo has two thoughts tonight.
One Joe Arpaio the sheriff of Maricopa County, AZ is a HUGE gaping, throbbing asshole.
Two, being a patron of the arts is cool. I bought a painting tonight! It is called "What Fresh Hell is This?"
One Joe Arpaio the sheriff of Maricopa County, AZ is a HUGE gaping, throbbing asshole.
Two, being a patron of the arts is cool. I bought a painting tonight! It is called "What Fresh Hell is This?"
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 01:23:50
livingonli on 03/12/2008 01:23:50
Good evening Mr. Mondo.
Comment by m-hadley on 03/12/2008 01:50:42
Forgive me, I hate to be redundant, I was out-of-the-loop last week...
m-hadley on 03/12/2008 01:50:42
Quote by livingonli:
Hi Faye. I think someone here posted that last week. She is some piece of work along with the rest of the Fundies. As if the two Senators weren't bad enough. I still remember the one complaining about NBC running Schindler's List uncut. Yeah, because you know concentration camp inmates get me hot.
Forgive me, I hate to be redundant, I was out-of-the-loop last week...
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 01:58:29
No problemo.
But how do you feel about the wingnut Senators the state has spawned?
livingonli on 03/12/2008 01:58:29
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by livingonli:
Hi Faye. I think someone here posted that last week. She is some piece of work along with the rest of the Fundies. As if the two Senators weren't bad enough. I still remember the one complaining about NBC running Schindler's List uncut. Yeah, because you know concentration camp inmates get me hot.
Forgive me, I hate to be redundant, I was out-of-the-loop last week...
No problemo.
But how do you feel about the wingnut Senators the state has spawned?
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 02:18:53
Sista... The karma you give you WILL get back. I don't think your fears will come to fruition.
All I know is that is so good to see you around these parts again.
Raine on 03/12/2008 02:18:53
Quote by m-hadley:
Radical Hussein Librarian says:
This is the radical militant librarian checking in from outraged Tulsa, Oklahoma - in case you all missed it, one of our state legislators (Sally “Krazy” Kern) went on an anti-gay tirade. Check it out over at Crooks & Liars: Just a little reminder of what we are up against here in the heart of red America… ;(
Peace out…
BTB, I'm taking in a friend from the nuthouse (psych hospital) tonight - wish me luck - hope she doesn't sell my stuff at a pawn shop tomorrow =( :nervous:
Cheers,
mfaye
All I know is that is so good to see you around these parts again.
Comment by BobR on 03/12/2008 02:19:46
oooh... I hope you didn't misunderstand me. That "it's so friggin' obvious" wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the Clinton robots and the sheep that don't stop to think.
I would never be that crass with another member.
Well - except to Mondo or Livin... :P
:rofl:
BobR on 03/12/2008 02:19:46
Quote by Shane-O:
Sry - didn't mean to be insultingly basic. Not my intent.
oooh... I hope you didn't misunderstand me. That "it's so friggin' obvious" wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the Clinton robots and the sheep that don't stop to think.
I would never be that crass with another member.
Well - except to Mondo or Livin... :P
:rofl:
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/12/2008 02:28:40
Ya know Bob, it is long walk from Atlanta to DC.
Mondobubba on 03/12/2008 02:28:40
Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
Sry - didn't mean to be insultingly basic. Not my intent.
oooh... I hope you didn't misunderstand me. That "it's so friggin' obvious" wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the Clinton robots and the sheep that don't stop to think.
I would never be that crass with another member.
Well - except to Mondo or Livin... :P
:rofl:
Ya know Bob, it is long walk from Atlanta to DC.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 02:28:57
How did it work out??
We went out for dinner, and happily came back to see (well happily for myself) that Obama won Mississippi. A wonderful dinner I think I am in love!
Anyhoo...
How did the SMS critique go?
Raine on 03/12/2008 02:28:57
Quote by Shane-O:
I gotta go for a bit - heading out to my local booze trader so I might have an actual drink as the election results come in tonight.
Wish me luck - as I will likely get critiqued on any SMS bit I've done since my last visit...
We went out for dinner, and happily came back to see (well happily for myself) that Obama won Mississippi. A wonderful dinner
I think I am in love! Anyhoo...
How did the SMS critique go?
Comment by BobR on 03/12/2008 02:32:19
I've got a truck.
BobR on 03/12/2008 02:32:19
Quote by Mondobubba:
Ya know Bob, it is long walk from Atlanta to DC.
I've got a truck.
Comment by MMB on 03/12/2008 02:35:51
MMB on 03/12/2008 02:35:51
My brother is a collecter of a beautiful painting it's called Cinderella all in yellow. It is a beautiful thing.
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 02:40:38
Raine on 03/12/2008 02:40:38
Heya Mondo, now that you are officially a patron de les Arts... can I possibly be commisioned???
you do know, I am a painter right??? ;)
you do know, I am a painter right??? ;)
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 02:46:27
it is a nice truck. I love the truck. (can I get a back rub from the blog when we get to DC?)
Raine on 03/12/2008 02:46:27
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Ya know Bob, it is long walk from Atlanta to DC.
I've got a truck.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/12/2008 02:49:38
Yes, dear.
Mondobubba on 03/12/2008 02:49:38
Quote by Raine:
Heya Mondo, now that you are officially a patron de les Arts... can I possibly be commisioned???
you do know, I am a painter right??? ;)
Yes, dear.
Comment by BobR on 03/12/2008 02:50:52
We can take your car...
What?... oh yeah...
BobR on 03/12/2008 02:50:52
Quote by Raine:
it is a nice truck. I love the truck. (can I get a back rub from the blog when we get to DC?)
We can take your car...
What?... oh yeah...
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/12/2008 02:56:57
Mondobubba on 03/12/2008 02:56:57
Bobber, have Raine check her messages
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 03:00:35
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 03:00:35
Sorry - took some time to get a buzz goin' -- seems to take longer, and longer nowadays... 
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 03:05:48
In love? How cool! With the food, or the dinner company...?
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 03:05:48
Quote by Raine:How did it work out??Quote by Shane-O:
I gotta go for a bit - heading out to my local booze trader so I might have an actual drink as the election results come in tonight.
Wish me luck - as I will likely get critiqued on any SMS bit I've done since my last visit...
We went out for dinner, and happily came back to see (well happily for myself) that Obama won Mississippi. A wonderful dinner
Anyhoo...
How did the SMS critique go?
In love? How cool! With the food, or the dinner company...?
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 03:07:26
:nana: :slap: I'll remember that. :P
Anyhoo, time for me to get home. I am actually leaving work before Midnight for once so let me enjoy it. I got 6-2 the next two days.
livingonli on 03/12/2008 03:07:26
Quote by BobR:
Well - except to Mondo or Livin... :P
:rofl:
:nana:
:slap: I'll remember that. :PAnyhoo, time for me to get home. I am actually leaving work before Midnight for once so let me enjoy it. I got 6-2 the next two days.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 03:08:35
Eeek! - I'm a "member" - I hope that doesn't entail any of those "responsibility"-type things...
I'm kinda shootin' for the goofball thing (with a point, sometimes?)
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 03:08:35
Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
Sry - didn't mean to be insultingly basic. Not my intent.
oooh... I hope you didn't misunderstand me. That "it's so friggin' obvious" wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the Clinton robots and the sheep that don't stop to think.
I would never be that crass with another member.
Well - except to Mondo or Livin... :P
:rofl:
Eeek! - I'm a "member" - I hope that doesn't entail any of those "responsibility"-type things...
I'm kinda shootin' for the goofball thing (with a point, sometimes?)
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 03:10:22
Please, enjoy, Livin.
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 03:10:22
Quote by livingonli:Quote by BobR:
Well - except to Mondo or Livin... :P
:rofl:
:nana:
Anyhoo, time for me to get home. I am actually leaving work before Midnight for once so let me enjoy it. I got 6-2 the next two days.
Please, enjoy, Livin.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/12/2008 03:24:37
Shane-O on 03/12/2008 03:24:37
Leave it to the drunk guy to clear out the room (blog)...
This is usually the time of night I put together SMS bits -- so, all should feel bad for Chris for usually having to read my silliness... like now...
This is usually the time of night I put together SMS bits -- so, all should feel bad for Chris for usually having to read my silliness... like now...
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 03:40:04
Raine on 03/12/2008 03:40:04
OMG... :rofl:
Comment by Raine on 03/12/2008 03:50:29
Raine on 03/12/2008 03:50:29
Raine out.
See y'all tomorrow! and
... oh , yah, and <---- Wodka.... ;)
See y'all tomorrow!
and ... oh , yah, and
<---- Wodka.... ;)
Comment by BobR on 03/12/2008 03:51:29
Mondo - I am neither yours nor Raine's personal secretary.
Maybe if you didn't call 5 times a day and leave so many messages, you might get a better response. Just my humble opinion...
BobR on 03/12/2008 03:51:29
Quote by Mondobubba:
Bobber, have Raine check her messages
Mondo - I am neither yours nor Raine's personal secretary.
Maybe if you didn't call 5 times a day and leave so many messages, you might get a better response. Just my humble opinion...
Comment by livingonli on 03/12/2008 04:31:11
livingonli on 03/12/2008 04:31:11
I get home and everyone's gone to bed.