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Suffrage, suffer Rage or simply Suffer?
Author: Raine
Date: 03/13/2008 08:23:35
There is a difference...
I have a problem with America not learning from, nor paying attention to, history. Truthfully, I have a problem with women acting like racism and sexism is ok, because they don't seem to know or recall history...
Right now, I'm not happy with the Clinton campaign. Specifically in this instance - for this blog - it is the fact that they are using race as a means to defeat Obama. It is something that has been happening for a while (go on - google stuff... see Bill Clinton, Ed Rendell, Robert Johnson, and now Geraldine Ferraro... I will not go into details. I think you all, as readers of this blog understand what I am talking about. If you don't, please, google, seriously).
I find it shameful that I, as a woman in the year 2008, am seeing sisters using the fact that they are women as a way to fight a black man for the democratic nomination. Not shameful, actually embarrassing, to tell you the truth.
This is not what Elizabeth Cady Stanton (originally: abolitionist) wanted, Nor Susan B. Anthony (originally: temperance) ... oh, and yes... Even Lucretia Mott (originally: quaker) . I could go on with a lot more of our sisters who fought fiercely to 'regain' our DESERVED rights to be where we are today. (these rights should never had to have been fought for... love you guys, but seriously... this country has had some issues... )
These were OUR suffragettes. They fought, they got arrested, they protested in the streets. Woman wanted to be considered people, NOT property. We wanted the right to vote. The right to OWN property... The right to have a banking account of our own. The right to not give up everything that was theirs because they got married. The right to an education. The right to get paid for a days work. The right to work. The right to leave an abusive husband and not lose everything... including our children. The list goes on. Most importantly, they wanted the right to be equal. They did this not just for themselves but for their children and and, eventually, for ALL women, and when I say women, you have to understand, that was not exclusive. The hope was truly that equality would spill forth. Equality would have no sex or colour or race.
Yes, this is what our fore-sisters fought for. EQUALITY. It was a pretty big deal at the time. We have the luxury of taking it for granted.... or do we?
Guess what? We are as women doing pretty well. We have to do a lot better, and the fight DOES still go on, but we are doing ok. Not great, but ok... ;)
Why am I pissed? I never wanted our sisters to think that they are doing so well that it would become ok to put down our black brothers. Suffrage was about EQUALITY. NOT dominance.
The Clinton campaign, no - Hillary Clinton, seems to want to neglect that fact. I, as a female, as a woman who considers herself a feminist and and Equalist, I find this very disturbing. I hold her responsible ultimately. I hold anyone who is running for office as the person responsible for how the campaign is run, ESPECIALLY for the highest office in the land.
Where am I going? Not where you may think. Do you know a man named Frederick Douglass? Among MANY things, He was actually a candidate for Vice president. Victoria Woodhall was at the top of the ticket... Another thing for you to google...
He was fond of saying: "I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong."
Yes. that meant he did not care if you were a woman or a man, black or white, Native Amercan, he did not care... oh yes, btw, he was a slave. He wanted equality, just as did our sisters in the suffrage movement. HE fought hard for suffrage, and he fought hard for abolition.
I would venture to say that if alive today, Federick and Elizabeth would both be ashamed at the what Hillary Clinton is allowing to be done in her name. I am sad to say that if informed of our suffragette history, she would not 'get it'.
I am not asking woman to take a seat in the back of the bus. I know that blacks achieved the right to vote before women. I know that history. We as women STILL ended out on top... to the shame of this nation. Did we as women suffer thru Jim Crow? Did we as women need the civil rights act? As women -- no we did not.
We are doing quite well, although we still have serious equality issues. We should NEVER allow ANY Democratic candidate to use RACE to try to win an election. And seriously, to my fellow sisters, we should never allow this to be done in our name.
I am asking that her campaign stop and look at our sisters who made history without demeaning our black brothers (and in turn, any minority or group that suffers injustice at the hands of our government or fellow citizens) it is easy to forget the abolitionist and suffrage movements. It is. ESPECIALLY when we as women have gained so damn much.
What women like Stanton, Anthony, Mott, Tubman, Bloomer, Stone, and MANY others did, took grace, class and hubris, and it was not done without dissent (many factions split and some relations never got mended). But, the reality is this, Elizabeth never put down Frederick because of his color, which was, at the time, truly considered a *class* of people. Women were a class as well, and we both had sub classes... (I will not go into detail about what the definition of people were at the time. it is not a pretty definition).
We have a chance to go forward in this nation where we don't have to make a choice between color or sex. This is what Frederick and Elizabeth gave to us. They did not run against each other, granted, but he was a great supporter of the suffrage movement, and she was a supporter of abolitionists.
I personally think that Obama get's that *idea*. Perhaps not in the context of the history that I tried to present, But, IMO, Senator Clinton does not get it. Senator Obama has not used his race, but she HAS used her sex. And truthfully, as a woman, I don't think we should have to use our sex to show that we are better for the office of president. We should not use our sex period, unless we want to get laid...
(Come on, I needed to get a joke in eventually)
Here is the bottom line:
.... Is it acceptable for Senator Clinton to fight this fight using race against her opponent while using her sex as a reason to propel herself?
If this is the case, if sex trumps race, Elizabeth Cady Stanton is crying, and Frederick Douglas is consoling her. And quite honestly, if it were the other way around, I think Elizabeth would be consoling Frederick. But right now, it isn't the other way around.
And, sadly if this is true, we have truly forgotten everything Suffrage was all about. March is Women's History Month. Let's celebrate. Not tear down.
See y'all inside.
:peace: and
Raine
I have a problem with America not learning from, nor paying attention to, history. Truthfully, I have a problem with women acting like racism and sexism is ok, because they don't seem to know or recall history...
Right now, I'm not happy with the Clinton campaign. Specifically in this instance - for this blog - it is the fact that they are using race as a means to defeat Obama. It is something that has been happening for a while (go on - google stuff... see Bill Clinton, Ed Rendell, Robert Johnson, and now Geraldine Ferraro... I will not go into details. I think you all, as readers of this blog understand what I am talking about. If you don't, please, google, seriously).
I find it shameful that I, as a woman in the year 2008, am seeing sisters using the fact that they are women as a way to fight a black man for the democratic nomination. Not shameful, actually embarrassing, to tell you the truth.
This is not what Elizabeth Cady Stanton (originally: abolitionist) wanted, Nor Susan B. Anthony (originally: temperance) ... oh, and yes... Even Lucretia Mott (originally: quaker) . I could go on with a lot more of our sisters who fought fiercely to 'regain' our DESERVED rights to be where we are today. (these rights should never had to have been fought for... love you guys, but seriously... this country has had some issues... )
These were OUR suffragettes. They fought, they got arrested, they protested in the streets. Woman wanted to be considered people, NOT property. We wanted the right to vote. The right to OWN property... The right to have a banking account of our own. The right to not give up everything that was theirs because they got married. The right to an education. The right to get paid for a days work. The right to work. The right to leave an abusive husband and not lose everything... including our children. The list goes on. Most importantly, they wanted the right to be equal. They did this not just for themselves but for their children and and, eventually, for ALL women, and when I say women, you have to understand, that was not exclusive. The hope was truly that equality would spill forth. Equality would have no sex or colour or race.
Yes, this is what our fore-sisters fought for. EQUALITY. It was a pretty big deal at the time. We have the luxury of taking it for granted.... or do we?
Guess what? We are as women doing pretty well. We have to do a lot better, and the fight DOES still go on, but we are doing ok. Not great, but ok... ;)
Why am I pissed? I never wanted our sisters to think that they are doing so well that it would become ok to put down our black brothers. Suffrage was about EQUALITY. NOT dominance.
The Clinton campaign, no - Hillary Clinton, seems to want to neglect that fact. I, as a female, as a woman who considers herself a feminist and and Equalist, I find this very disturbing. I hold her responsible ultimately. I hold anyone who is running for office as the person responsible for how the campaign is run, ESPECIALLY for the highest office in the land.
Where am I going? Not where you may think. Do you know a man named Frederick Douglass? Among MANY things, He was actually a candidate for Vice president. Victoria Woodhall was at the top of the ticket... Another thing for you to google...
He was fond of saying: "I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong."
Yes. that meant he did not care if you were a woman or a man, black or white, Native Amercan, he did not care... oh yes, btw, he was a slave. He wanted equality, just as did our sisters in the suffrage movement. HE fought hard for suffrage, and he fought hard for abolition.
I would venture to say that if alive today, Federick and Elizabeth would both be ashamed at the what Hillary Clinton is allowing to be done in her name. I am sad to say that if informed of our suffragette history, she would not 'get it'.
I am not asking woman to take a seat in the back of the bus. I know that blacks achieved the right to vote before women. I know that history. We as women STILL ended out on top... to the shame of this nation. Did we as women suffer thru Jim Crow? Did we as women need the civil rights act? As women -- no we did not.
We are doing quite well, although we still have serious equality issues. We should NEVER allow ANY Democratic candidate to use RACE to try to win an election. And seriously, to my fellow sisters, we should never allow this to be done in our name.
I am asking that her campaign stop and look at our sisters who made history without demeaning our black brothers (and in turn, any minority or group that suffers injustice at the hands of our government or fellow citizens) it is easy to forget the abolitionist and suffrage movements. It is. ESPECIALLY when we as women have gained so damn much.
What women like Stanton, Anthony, Mott, Tubman, Bloomer, Stone, and MANY others did, took grace, class and hubris, and it was not done without dissent (many factions split and some relations never got mended). But, the reality is this, Elizabeth never put down Frederick because of his color, which was, at the time, truly considered a *class* of people. Women were a class as well, and we both had sub classes... (I will not go into detail about what the definition of people were at the time. it is not a pretty definition).
We have a chance to go forward in this nation where we don't have to make a choice between color or sex. This is what Frederick and Elizabeth gave to us. They did not run against each other, granted, but he was a great supporter of the suffrage movement, and she was a supporter of abolitionists.
I personally think that Obama get's that *idea*. Perhaps not in the context of the history that I tried to present, But, IMO, Senator Clinton does not get it. Senator Obama has not used his race, but she HAS used her sex. And truthfully, as a woman, I don't think we should have to use our sex to show that we are better for the office of president. We should not use our sex period, unless we want to get laid...
(Come on, I needed to get a joke in eventually) Here is the bottom line:
.... Is it acceptable for Senator Clinton to fight this fight using race against her opponent while using her sex as a reason to propel herself?
If this is the case, if sex trumps race, Elizabeth Cady Stanton is crying, and Frederick Douglas is consoling her. And quite honestly, if it were the other way around, I think Elizabeth would be consoling Frederick. But right now, it isn't the other way around.
And, sadly if this is true, we have truly forgotten everything Suffrage was all about. March is Women's History Month. Let's celebrate. Not tear down.
See y'all inside.
:peace: and
Raine
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Comment by 
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 11:48:56
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 11:48:56
G-Mornin!
Before things get started today...
Raine - a couple times (since I've joined up) you've used ":::Biden::: yes" as a response.
I guess I'm a little slow, cuz I didn't get it at first.
Took till this a.m. and I have to say,
Before things get started today...
Raine - a couple times (since I've joined up) you've used ":::Biden::: yes" as a response.
I guess I'm a little slow, cuz I didn't get it at first.
Took till this a.m. and I have to say,
Comment by 
TriSec on 03/13/2008 12:07:27
TriSec on 03/13/2008 12:07:27
Morning, folks...Raine with the insomnia blog!
I've got one for you other 80s children out there...I'm re-organizing all of our team data, metrics, scorecards, etc. I think I should call the new database the "MCP"...or maybe the "WOPR".
Blog bonus points at stake!
I've got one for you other 80s children out there...I'm re-organizing all of our team data, metrics, scorecards, etc. I think I should call the new database the "MCP"...or maybe the "WOPR".
Blog bonus points at stake!
Comment by 
m-hadley on 03/13/2008 12:13:45
m-hadley on 03/13/2008 12:13:45
Mornin' Raine,
I'm up early (took a friend to the airport
) I loved your post. What really gets me is that Ferraro said that being Black was an advantage in this race. Since when is being born African American in this country an advantage? I think that all of the inmates incarcerated for crack cocaine (with much longer sentences than those convicted of dealing powder cocaine) might beg to differ, every Black person who has tried to hail a cab after dark might disagree, every African American who has been pulled over for DWB (Driving while Black) might have a thing or two to say to Geraldine. How in the world can she claim that being Black is an advantage while being female is an obstacle to valiantly overcome? I am as incredulous as Rachel Maddow was last night - it defies logic to make this assertion. I am afraid that some friends of mine (or should I say women I used to know) are so steeped in the Hillary Kool-Aid, that they are ignoring this egregious pattern that the Clinton Camp has established and I fear that we all may pay the price for this divisive tactic.
Just my two cents...
Hope everybody has a good day. BTB, my new roommate, inspite of being an addict seems like a pretty decent person - at least my laptop was still where I left it yesterday
yeah ;)
Cheers
mfaye
I'm up early (took a friend to the airport
) I loved your post. What really gets me is that Ferraro said that being Black was an advantage in this race. Since when is being born African American in this country an advantage? I think that all of the inmates incarcerated for crack cocaine (with much longer sentences than those convicted of dealing powder cocaine) might beg to differ, every Black person who has tried to hail a cab after dark might disagree, every African American who has been pulled over for DWB (Driving while Black) might have a thing or two to say to Geraldine. How in the world can she claim that being Black is an advantage while being female is an obstacle to valiantly overcome? I am as incredulous as Rachel Maddow was last night - it defies logic to make this assertion. I am afraid that some friends of mine (or should I say women I used to know) are so steeped in the Hillary Kool-Aid, that they are ignoring this egregious pattern that the Clinton Camp has established and I fear that we all may pay the price for this divisive tactic.Just my two cents...
Hope everybody has a good day. BTB, my new roommate, inspite of being an addict seems like a pretty decent person - at least my laptop was still where I left it yesterday
yeah ;)Cheers
mfaye
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 12:17:20
Lordy, Tron and War Games - too much for this early...
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 12:17:20
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, folks...Raine with the insomnia blog!
I've got one for you other 80s children out there...I'm re-organizing all of our team data, metrics, scorecards, etc. I think I should call the new database the "MCP"...or maybe the "WOPR".
Blog bonus points at stake!
Lordy, Tron and War Games - too much for this early...
Comment by TriSec on 03/13/2008 12:38:49
Shane, you're new at this.
Usually, my "bonus" questions get ignored all day, then Mondo comes in about 10 hours later and goads me into taking the points myself.
TriSec on 03/13/2008 12:38:49
Shane, you're new at this.
Usually, my "bonus" questions get ignored all day, then Mondo comes in about 10 hours later and goads me into taking the points myself.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 12:44:20
Sry for messing up the flow - I am definitely a newbie. :doh:
Might I be able to assign the "bonus points" back?
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 12:44:20
Quote by TriSec:
Shane, you're new at this.
Usually, my "bonus" questions get ignored all day, then Mondo comes in about 10 hours later and goads me into taking the points myself.
Sry for messing up the flow - I am definitely a newbie. :doh:
Might I be able to assign the "bonus points" back?
Comment by TriSec on 03/13/2008 12:55:57
TriSec on 03/13/2008 12:55:57
Oh, no...it's such a rare thing that anyone gets them. Go on, enjoy them. They're good at the Blogbar.
:martini:
:martini:
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 13:04:35
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 13:04:35
OK- I'll use them for our first round at happy hour then... 
Comment by TriSec on 03/13/2008 13:06:01
TriSec on 03/13/2008 13:06:01
hmm...what's everyone listening to today? 
I suppose I can always go back to my first and bestest Momma, the good Dr. Maddow...
But I've also got Superman and The Shadow in the 'ol iPod today.
I suppose I can always go back to my first and bestest Momma, the good Dr. Maddow...
But I've also got Superman and The Shadow in the 'ol iPod today.
Comment by 
BobR on 03/13/2008 13:09:02
BobR on 03/13/2008 13:09:02
Morning, folks... :coffee:
Comment by BobR on 03/13/2008 13:10:52
I'm going to give the subs another shot, but may end up switching to music.
I'm putting together a website of all my songs, so I occasionally have to listen to an MP3 to see if it's what I think it is...
BobR on 03/13/2008 13:10:52
Quote by TriSec:
hmm...what's everyone listening to today?
I suppose I can always go back to my first and bestest Momma, the good Dr. Maddow...
But I've also got Superman and The Shadow in the 'ol iPod today.
I'm going to give the subs another shot, but may end up switching to music.
I'm putting together a website of all my songs, so I occasionally have to listen to an MP3 to see if it's what I think it is...
Comment by 
starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:25:52
starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:25:52
Why oh why do I try to people at work about political/current event stories???
:thud:
: looks up from the floor : oh yeah...good morning.
:thud:
: looks up from the floor : oh yeah...good morning.
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:27:35
HA! HA! HA! Yay, Shane-O. . . .you got it.
Randi Rhodes started that for me. She always plays that clip of joe biden saying
yes. and it cracks me up every time.
starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:27:35
Quote by Shane-O:
G-Mornin!
Before things get started today...
Raine - a couple times (since I've joined up) you've used ":::Biden::: yes" as a response.
I guess I'm a little slow, cuz I didn't get it at first.
Took till this a.m. and I have to say,
HA! HA! HA! Yay, Shane-O. . . .you got it.
Randi Rhodes started that for me. She always plays that clip of joe biden saying
yes. and it cracks me up every time.
Comment by BobR on 03/13/2008 13:28:33
Not unlike a classical musician trying to talk about music to someone who only listens to Top 40...
BobR on 03/13/2008 13:28:33
Quote by starling310:
Why oh why do I try to people at work about political/current event stories???
:thud:
: looks up from the floor : oh yeah...good morning.
Not unlike a classical musician trying to talk about music to someone who only listens to Top 40...
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:30:28
Oy yoy yoy. . .
It's really a lost cause.
starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:30:28
Quote by BobR:Quote by starling310:
Why oh why do I try to people at work about political/current event stories???
:thud:
: looks up from the floor : oh yeah...good morning.
Not unlike a classical musician trying to talk about music to someone who only listens to Top 40...
Oy yoy yoy. . .
It's really a lost cause.
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:33:21
starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:33:21
"Gas Prices at an all time high"
Fantastic.
I don't have a car payment right now, which I am happy about. But, I have been seriously considering getting a Yaris, which would get better gas mileage. I am wondering if, financially, it's worth it.
Fantastic.
I don't have a car payment right now, which I am happy about. But, I have been seriously considering getting a Yaris, which would get better gas mileage. I am wondering if, financially, it's worth it.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 13:34:08
Yes, when I think of Senator Biden's great debate performances, I often forget that one. But the one that remains was about Rudy's sentence structure: a noun, a verb and 9/11. Brilliant!
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 13:34:08
Quote by starling310:Quote by Shane-O:
G-Mornin!
Before things get started today...
Raine - a couple times (since I've joined up) you've used ":::Biden::: yes" as a response.
I guess I'm a little slow, cuz I didn't get it at first.
Took till this a.m. and I have to say,
HA! HA! HA! Yay, Shane-O. . . .you got it.
Randi Rhodes started that for me. She always plays that clip of joe biden saying
yes. and it cracks me up every time.
Yes, when I think of Senator Biden's great debate performances, I often forget that one. But the one that remains was about Rudy's sentence structure: a noun, a verb and 9/11. Brilliant!
Comment by 
jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 13:34:58
jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 13:34:58
My mom just got a Yaris, which is getting GREAT gas mileage, and is fun to drive. It's definitely at the top of my list (when I can afford to get a new car)
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/13/2008 13:35:03
Good morning, bloggers!! I am giving the subs a shot, as I listened to Jay Marvin in Denver yesterday. (He used to be he in Chicago.) He had a great guest from the Center of American Progress comment on the Fallon resignation and writer Ishmael Reed commenting on Ferraro's remarks.
So, I will give Frangela a chance.
Raine, excellent post. I do not want to see DOMINANCE for any group but EQUALITY. The only way my rights are truly secure is if the rights of others are also secure.
For those who might want to look, the Unfiltered News Network Daily Headlines are up and being worked on. Several good stories.
Here is one from the Nation:
Will in Chicago on 03/13/2008 13:35:03
Quote by TriSec:
hmm...what's everyone listening to today?
I suppose I can always go back to my first and bestest Momma, the good Dr. Maddow...
But I've also got Superman and The Shadow in the 'ol iPod today.
Good morning, bloggers!! I am giving the subs a shot, as I listened to Jay Marvin in Denver yesterday. (He used to be he in Chicago.) He had a great guest from the Center of American Progress comment on the Fallon resignation and writer Ishmael Reed commenting on Ferraro's remarks.
So, I will give Frangela a chance.
Raine, excellent post. I do not want to see DOMINANCE for any group but EQUALITY. The only way my rights are truly secure is if the rights of others are also secure.
For those who might want to look, the Unfiltered News Network Daily Headlines are up and being worked on. Several good stories.
Here is one from the Nation:
McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam
Washington Dispatch: Televangelist Rod Parsley, a key McCain ally in Ohio, has called for eradicating the "false religion." Will the GOP presidential candidate renounce him?
By David Corn
March 12, 2008
Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a "war" against the "false religion" of Islam with the aim of destroying it.
On February 26, McCain appeared at a campaign rally in Cincinnati with the Reverend Rod Parsley of the World Harvest Church of Columbus, a supersize Pentecostal institution that features a 5,200-seat sanctuary, a television studio (where Parsley tapes a weekly show), and a 122,000-square-foot Ministry Activity Center. That day, a week before the Ohio primary, Parsley praised the Republican presidential front-runner as a "strong, true, consistent conservative." The endorsement was important for McCain, who at the time was trying to put an end to the lingering challenge from former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, a favorite among Christian evangelicals. A politically influential figure in Ohio, Parsley could also play a key role in McCain's effort to win this bellwether state in the general election. McCain, with Parsley by his side at the Cincinnati rally, called the evangelical minister a "spiritual guide."
The leader of a 12,000-member congregation, Parsley has written several books outlining his fundamentalist religious outlook, including the 2005 Silent No More. In this work, Parsley decries the "spiritual desperation" of the United States, and he blasts away at the usual suspects: activist judges, civil libertarians who advocate the separation of church and state, the homosexual "culture" ("homosexuals are anything but happy and carefree"), the "abortion industry," and the crass and profane entertainment industry. And Parsley targets another profound threat to the United States: the religion of Islam.
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:36:34
Sweet!
I have heard good things about them. . . fun to drive? even with a measly 106HP?
I like the hatchback.
starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:36:34
Quote by jd_in_ny:
My mom just got a Yaris, which is getting GREAT gas mileage, and is fun to drive. It's definitely at the top of my list (when I can afford to get a new car)
Sweet!
I have heard good things about them. . . fun to drive? even with a measly 106HP?
I like the hatchback.
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:38:12
And, it's guaranteed to make Raine
laugh every time! !!!
starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:38:12
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by starling310:Quote by Shane-O:
G-Mornin!
Before things get started today...
Raine - a couple times (since I've joined up) you've used ":::Biden::: yes" as a response.
I guess I'm a little slow, cuz I didn't get it at first.
Took till this a.m. and I have to say,
HA! HA! HA! Yay, Shane-O. . . .you got it.
Randi Rhodes started that for me. She always plays that clip of joe biden saying
yes. and it cracks me up every time.
Yes, when I think of Senator Biden's great debate performances, I often forget that one. But the one that remains was about Rudy's sentence structure: a noun, a verb and 9/11. Brilliant!
And, it's guaranteed to make Raine
laugh every time! !!!
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 13:38:25
I like that comparison, BobR... Philip Glass, Steve Reich are called "minimalists" - not "musicians" like Spears and Co. Seems backward to me...
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 13:38:25
Quote by BobR:Quote by starling310:
Why oh why do I try to people at work about political/current event stories???
:thud:
: looks up from the floor : oh yeah...good morning.
Not unlike a classical musician trying to talk about music to someone who only listens to Top 40...
I like that comparison, BobR... Philip Glass, Steve Reich are called "minimalists" - not "musicians" like Spears and Co. Seems backward to me...
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 13:49:14
She has the hatchback, standard transmission, and she says it's fun. It's definitely a cute car, and surprisingly roomy inside
jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 13:49:14
Quote by starling310:Quote by jd_in_ny:
My mom just got a Yaris, which is getting GREAT gas mileage, and is fun to drive. It's definitely at the top of my list (when I can afford to get a new car)
Sweet!
I have heard good things about them. . . fun to drive? even with a measly 106HP?
I like the hatchback.
She has the hatchback, standard transmission, and she says it's fun. It's definitely a cute car, and surprisingly roomy inside
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 03/13/2008 13:52:37
velveeta jones on 03/13/2008 13:52:37
Morning ALL!!
WWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Who is this Angela and Fran / Frangela ?????
Velveeta is ..........................in LUUUUUUUUVVVVVVV!!
:wub2:
I'm gonna find some reason to call in and request a threeway.
Or, would that be in bad taste?
WWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Who is this Angela and Fran / Frangela ?????
Velveeta is ..........................in LUUUUUUUUVVVVVVV!!
:wub2:I'm gonna find some reason to call in and request a threeway.
Or, would that be in bad taste?
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:54:47
starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:54:47
:: angela :: "79.21%!"
:rofl:
Velveeta, let's make it a 4 way!!! :wub2:
:rofl:
Velveeta, let's make it a 4 way!!! :wub2:
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 13:58:14
jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 13:58:14
"Black people say I'm okay!" 
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:59:07
Hilarious!
starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:59:07
Quote by jd_in_ny:
"Black people say I'm okay!"
Hilarious!
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/13/2008 14:01:47
velveeta jones on 03/13/2008 14:01:47
GREAT POST RAINE!!!!
You and I feel the same, I think, I am more disappointed in Hillary for her back-stabbing then her vote for funding the war! We can disagree about war funding, but to hear her using racism (and by extension sexism) really angers me.
You and I feel the same, I think, I am more disappointed in Hillary for her back-stabbing then her vote for funding the war! We can disagree about war funding, but to hear her using racism (and by extension sexism) really angers me.
Comment by m-hadley on 03/13/2008 14:02:13
Mornin' Everybody :coffee:,
I gotta give a plug for my vehicle, a spiffy little Scion XA (five speed :). Great mileage (35 around town, 38 + on the highway). Plus it was the first new car I ever bought in my life (only 2 miles on the odometer when I drove it off the lot). I've got two big dogs (80 pounds and 75 pounds respectively) who ride along fine in the backseat - mega dog hair zone Good sound system, nice pick up, the ride is a little rough, but hey so am I 
And I paid less than $13,000.00 for it in August 2004. I am NOT a Scion salesperson, I promise 
m-hadley on 03/13/2008 14:02:13
Quote by starling310:
"Gas Prices at an all time high"
Fantastic.
I don't have a car payment right now, which I am happy about. But, I have been seriously considering getting a Yaris, which would get better gas mileage. I am wondering if, financially, it's worth it.
Mornin' Everybody :coffee:,
I gotta give a plug for my vehicle, a spiffy little Scion XA (five speed :). Great mileage (35 around town, 38 + on the highway). Plus it was the first new car I ever bought in my life (only 2 miles on the odometer when I drove it off the lot). I've got two big dogs (80 pounds and 75 pounds respectively) who ride along fine in the backseat - mega dog hair zone
Good sound system, nice pick up, the ride is a little rough, but hey so am I And I paid less than $13,000.00 for it in August 2004. I am NOT a Scion salesperson, I promise
Comment by 
wickedpam on 03/13/2008 14:02:21
wickedpam on 03/13/2008 14:02:21
Morning :hug:
Comment by m-hadley on 03/13/2008 14:05:50
Can anybody say five-way? or does that qualify as an orgy? In any case count me in...
m-hadley on 03/13/2008 14:05:50
Quote by starling310:
:: angela :: "79.21%!"
:rofl:
Velveeta, let's make it a 4 way!!! :wub2:
Can anybody say five-way? or does that qualify as an orgy? In any case count me in...
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:07:11
Wow, Faye...you really are back!
Orgy it is! ( if we can all stop laughing long enough )
starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:07:11
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by starling310:
:: angela :: "79.21%!"
:rofl:
Velveeta, let's make it a 4 way!!! :wub2:
Can anybody say five-way? or does that qualify as an orgy? In any case count me in...
Wow, Faye...you really are back!
Orgy it is! ( if we can all stop laughing long enough )
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:08:32
Really? I will check out the Scion.
I don't need a brand new car, honestly. I had 1 once and it was so expensive to insure, etc. So, I've been looking for used, 2 or 3 years old. But, i will definitely check it out.
starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:08:32
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by starling310:
"Gas Prices at an all time high"
Fantastic.
I don't have a car payment right now, which I am happy about. But, I have been seriously considering getting a Yaris, which would get better gas mileage. I am wondering if, financially, it's worth it.
Mornin' Everybody :coffee:,
I gotta give a plug for my vehicle, a spiffy little Scion XA (five speed :). Great mileage (35 around town, 38 + on the highway). Plus it was the first new car I ever bought in my life (only 2 miles on the odometer when I drove it off the lot). I've got two big dogs (80 pounds and 75 pounds respectively) who ride along fine in the backseat - mega dog hair zone
Really? I will check out the Scion.
I don't need a brand new car, honestly. I had 1 once and it was so expensive to insure, etc. So, I've been looking for used, 2 or 3 years old. But, i will definitely check it out.
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:16:32
starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:16:32
I'm sorry, can someone clarify to me why prostitution is illegal in the first place?
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:21:53
starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:21:53
Comment by TriSec on 03/13/2008 14:23:11
TriSec on 03/13/2008 14:23:11
Now Playing: Mood Indigo / Tony Bennett sings Duke
Comment by TriSec on 03/13/2008 14:26:39
*snort*
How about a plug for us jazzmen? At least you're likely to have even a top 40 dork to have heard of Beethoven or Mozart.
Ask me about the "John Wayne Big Band" incident someday...
TriSec on 03/13/2008 14:26:39
Quote by BobR:
Not unlike a classical musician trying to talk about music to someone who only listens to Top 40...
*snort*
How about a plug for us jazzmen? At least you're likely to have even a top 40 dork to have heard of Beethoven or Mozart.
Ask me about the "John Wayne Big Band" incident someday...
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:26:45
starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:26:45
I'm going to start listening to Frangela on weekends! They are hysterical.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/13/2008 14:27:41
Here are some links, VJ:
First, here is the link to their show on KTLK and to the Frangela site.
Will in Chicago on 03/13/2008 14:27:41
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning ALL!!
WWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Who is this Angela and Fran / Frangela ?????
Velveeta is ..........................in LUUUUUUUUVVVVVVV!!
I'm gonna find some reason to call in and request a threeway.
Or, would that be in bad taste?
Here are some links, VJ:
First, here is the link to their show on KTLK and to the Frangela site.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 14:38:02
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 14:38:02
FYI - I set up the March Madness group, for those who might be interested. And I'll put up reminders over the next week.
The site is: http://tournament.fantasysports.yahoo.com
The group in named: "Unoffical SMS Tourny" -- Group ID #55189
Password: "computersaysyes"
Of course, you can't pick your brackets yet, but there is a feature you can click that will shoot an email to you when you can.
The site is: http://tournament.fantasysports.yahoo.com
The group in named: "Unoffical SMS Tourny" -- Group ID #55189
Password: "computersaysyes"
Of course, you can't pick your brackets yet, but there is a feature you can click that will shoot an email to you when you can.
Comment by BobR on 03/13/2008 14:38:43
*snort* right back...
That goes for ANY musical "specialty". Ask anyone under 30 (and older "mainstream only" musical types) if they've ever heard of Oingo Boingo or XTC or Echo and the Bunnymen. You'll get blank stares too.
My original analogy stands: People with depth of understanding and nuance in our political process should not discuss politics with people that get all of their political information from FAUX News playing on the TV in the breakroom while they nuke their Stouffers Lean Cuisine™ for lunch...
BobR on 03/13/2008 14:38:43
Quote by TriSec:
*snort*
How about a plug for us jazzmen? At least you're likely to have even a top 40 dork to have heard of Beethoven or Mozart.
Ask me about the "John Wayne Big Band" incident someday...
*snort* right back...
That goes for ANY musical "specialty". Ask anyone under 30 (and older "mainstream only" musical types) if they've ever heard of Oingo Boingo or XTC or Echo and the Bunnymen. You'll get blank stares too.
My original analogy stands: People with depth of understanding and nuance in our political process should not discuss politics with people that get all of their political information from FAUX News playing on the TV in the breakroom while they nuke their Stouffers Lean Cuisine™ for lunch...
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:39:07
starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:39:07
Hellz yeah...my mom would leave me in the car, with the keys, so I can turn them backward and listen to the radio.
:shrug:
:shrug:
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:41:01
:spit:
:clap:
starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:41:01
Quote by BobR:Quote by TriSec:
*snort*
How about a plug for us jazzmen? At least you're likely to have even a top 40 dork to have heard of Beethoven or Mozart.
Ask me about the "John Wayne Big Band" incident someday...
*snort* right back...
That goes for ANY musical "specialty". Ask anyone under 30 (and older "mainstream only" musical types) if they've ever heard of Oingo Boingo or XTC or Echo and the Bunnymen. You'll get blank stares too.
My original analogy stands: People with depth of understanding and nuance in our political process should not discuss politics with people that get all of their political information from FAUX News playing on the TV in the breakroom while they nuke their Stouffers Lean Cuisine™ for lunch...
:spit:
:clap:
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 14:43:46
jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 14:43:46
My mother, a professor, would resign if students (ANYONE) were allowed to have guns on campus.
Comment by TriSec on 03/13/2008 14:51:17
TriSec on 03/13/2008 14:51:17
Well, at least I can be thankful that I was raised by musicians. I'll listen to anything, anytime, anywhere.
And I'm still rather proud of the fact that back when we were getting married, and we actually went to dance school, the instructor told me that I was the first man that ever came through his door that he didn't have to teach how to find a downbeat...
And I'm still rather proud of the fact that back when we were getting married, and we actually went to dance school, the instructor told me that I was the first man that ever came through his door that he didn't have to teach how to find a downbeat...
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/13/2008 14:53:37
Because 99% of the women are doing it against their will. Would that be a good reason?
velveeta jones on 03/13/2008 14:53:37
Quote by starling310:
I'm sorry, can someone clarify to me why prostitution is illegal in the first place?
Because 99% of the women are doing it against their will. Would that be a good reason?
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:56:34
starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:56:34
Has this dude from NoHo been hittin' the sauce?
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:59:03
Yeah, that would be a good reason.
starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:59:03
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by starling310:
I'm sorry, can someone clarify to me why prostitution is illegal in the first place?
Because 99% of the women are doing it against their will. Would that be a good reason?
Yeah, that would be a good reason.
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 15:02:23
starling310 on 03/13/2008 15:02:23
See what you get for doing something nice? That mother was donating money. 
I love how the story tells you the exact amount. . . "Coyne had taken her 2 older daughters to pour $8.29 in coins into the salvation army kettle."
I love how the story tells you the exact amount. . . "Coyne had taken her 2 older daughters to pour $8.29 in coins into the salvation army kettle."
Comment by 
livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:02:40
livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:02:40
Good morning everyone. I had to take the car to the shop this morning. It looks like it needs new breaks (all this local traffic makes me go through breaks so quickly) but I am on the Wi-Fi.
Great blog today, Raine.
Great blog today, Raine.