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Suffrage, suffer Rage or simply Suffer?
Author: Raine
Date: 03/13/2008 08:23:35
There is a difference...
I have a problem with America not learning from, nor paying attention to, history. Truthfully, I have a problem with women acting like racism and sexism is ok, because they don't seem to know or recall history...
Right now, I'm not happy with the Clinton campaign. Specifically in this instance - for this blog - it is the fact that they are using race as a means to defeat Obama. It is something that has been happening for a while (go on - google stuff... see Bill Clinton, Ed Rendell, Robert Johnson, and now Geraldine Ferraro... I will not go into details. I think you all, as readers of this blog understand what I am talking about. If you don't, please, google, seriously).
I find it shameful that I, as a woman in the year 2008, am seeing sisters using the fact that they are women as a way to fight a black man for the democratic nomination. Not shameful, actually embarrassing, to tell you the truth.
This is not what Elizabeth Cady Stanton (originally: abolitionist) wanted, Nor Susan B. Anthony (originally: temperance) ... oh, and yes... Even Lucretia Mott (originally: quaker) . I could go on with a lot more of our sisters who fought fiercely to 'regain' our DESERVED rights to be where we are today. (these rights should never had to have been fought for... love you guys, but seriously... this country has had some issues... )
These were OUR suffragettes. They fought, they got arrested, they protested in the streets. Woman wanted to be considered people, NOT property. We wanted the right to vote. The right to OWN property... The right to have a banking account of our own. The right to not give up everything that was theirs because they got married. The right to an education. The right to get paid for a days work. The right to work. The right to leave an abusive husband and not lose everything... including our children. The list goes on. Most importantly, they wanted the right to be equal. They did this not just for themselves but for their children and and, eventually, for ALL women, and when I say women, you have to understand, that was not exclusive. The hope was truly that equality would spill forth. Equality would have no sex or colour or race.
Yes, this is what our fore-sisters fought for. EQUALITY. It was a pretty big deal at the time. We have the luxury of taking it for granted.... or do we?
Guess what? We are as women doing pretty well. We have to do a lot better, and the fight DOES still go on, but we are doing ok. Not great, but ok... ;)
Why am I pissed? I never wanted our sisters to think that they are doing so well that it would become ok to put down our black brothers. Suffrage was about EQUALITY. NOT dominance.
The Clinton campaign, no - Hillary Clinton, seems to want to neglect that fact. I, as a female, as a woman who considers herself a feminist and and Equalist, I find this very disturbing. I hold her responsible ultimately. I hold anyone who is running for office as the person responsible for how the campaign is run, ESPECIALLY for the highest office in the land.
Where am I going? Not where you may think. Do you know a man named Frederick Douglass? Among MANY things, He was actually a candidate for Vice president. Victoria Woodhall was at the top of the ticket... Another thing for you to google...
He was fond of saying: "I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong."
Yes. that meant he did not care if you were a woman or a man, black or white, Native Amercan, he did not care... oh yes, btw, he was a slave. He wanted equality, just as did our sisters in the suffrage movement. HE fought hard for suffrage, and he fought hard for abolition.
I would venture to say that if alive today, Federick and Elizabeth would both be ashamed at the what Hillary Clinton is allowing to be done in her name. I am sad to say that if informed of our suffragette history, she would not 'get it'.
I am not asking woman to take a seat in the back of the bus. I know that blacks achieved the right to vote before women. I know that history. We as women STILL ended out on top... to the shame of this nation. Did we as women suffer thru Jim Crow? Did we as women need the civil rights act? As women -- no we did not.
We are doing quite well, although we still have serious equality issues. We should NEVER allow ANY Democratic candidate to use RACE to try to win an election. And seriously, to my fellow sisters, we should never allow this to be done in our name.
I am asking that her campaign stop and look at our sisters who made history without demeaning our black brothers (and in turn, any minority or group that suffers injustice at the hands of our government or fellow citizens) it is easy to forget the abolitionist and suffrage movements. It is. ESPECIALLY when we as women have gained so damn much.
What women like Stanton, Anthony, Mott, Tubman, Bloomer, Stone, and MANY others did, took grace, class and hubris, and it was not done without dissent (many factions split and some relations never got mended). But, the reality is this, Elizabeth never put down Frederick because of his color, which was, at the time, truly considered a *class* of people. Women were a class as well, and we both had sub classes... (I will not go into detail about what the definition of people were at the time. it is not a pretty definition).
We have a chance to go forward in this nation where we don't have to make a choice between color or sex. This is what Frederick and Elizabeth gave to us. They did not run against each other, granted, but he was a great supporter of the suffrage movement, and she was a supporter of abolitionists.
I personally think that Obama get's that *idea*. Perhaps not in the context of the history that I tried to present, But, IMO, Senator Clinton does not get it. Senator Obama has not used his race, but she HAS used her sex. And truthfully, as a woman, I don't think we should have to use our sex to show that we are better for the office of president. We should not use our sex period, unless we want to get laid...
(Come on, I needed to get a joke in eventually)
Here is the bottom line:
.... Is it acceptable for Senator Clinton to fight this fight using race against her opponent while using her sex as a reason to propel herself?
If this is the case, if sex trumps race, Elizabeth Cady Stanton is crying, and Frederick Douglas is consoling her. And quite honestly, if it were the other way around, I think Elizabeth would be consoling Frederick. But right now, it isn't the other way around.
And, sadly if this is true, we have truly forgotten everything Suffrage was all about. March is Women's History Month. Let's celebrate. Not tear down.
See y'all inside.
:peace: and
Raine
I have a problem with America not learning from, nor paying attention to, history. Truthfully, I have a problem with women acting like racism and sexism is ok, because they don't seem to know or recall history...
Right now, I'm not happy with the Clinton campaign. Specifically in this instance - for this blog - it is the fact that they are using race as a means to defeat Obama. It is something that has been happening for a while (go on - google stuff... see Bill Clinton, Ed Rendell, Robert Johnson, and now Geraldine Ferraro... I will not go into details. I think you all, as readers of this blog understand what I am talking about. If you don't, please, google, seriously).
I find it shameful that I, as a woman in the year 2008, am seeing sisters using the fact that they are women as a way to fight a black man for the democratic nomination. Not shameful, actually embarrassing, to tell you the truth.
This is not what Elizabeth Cady Stanton (originally: abolitionist) wanted, Nor Susan B. Anthony (originally: temperance) ... oh, and yes... Even Lucretia Mott (originally: quaker) . I could go on with a lot more of our sisters who fought fiercely to 'regain' our DESERVED rights to be where we are today. (these rights should never had to have been fought for... love you guys, but seriously... this country has had some issues... )
These were OUR suffragettes. They fought, they got arrested, they protested in the streets. Woman wanted to be considered people, NOT property. We wanted the right to vote. The right to OWN property... The right to have a banking account of our own. The right to not give up everything that was theirs because they got married. The right to an education. The right to get paid for a days work. The right to work. The right to leave an abusive husband and not lose everything... including our children. The list goes on. Most importantly, they wanted the right to be equal. They did this not just for themselves but for their children and and, eventually, for ALL women, and when I say women, you have to understand, that was not exclusive. The hope was truly that equality would spill forth. Equality would have no sex or colour or race.
Yes, this is what our fore-sisters fought for. EQUALITY. It was a pretty big deal at the time. We have the luxury of taking it for granted.... or do we?
Guess what? We are as women doing pretty well. We have to do a lot better, and the fight DOES still go on, but we are doing ok. Not great, but ok... ;)
Why am I pissed? I never wanted our sisters to think that they are doing so well that it would become ok to put down our black brothers. Suffrage was about EQUALITY. NOT dominance.
The Clinton campaign, no - Hillary Clinton, seems to want to neglect that fact. I, as a female, as a woman who considers herself a feminist and and Equalist, I find this very disturbing. I hold her responsible ultimately. I hold anyone who is running for office as the person responsible for how the campaign is run, ESPECIALLY for the highest office in the land.
Where am I going? Not where you may think. Do you know a man named Frederick Douglass? Among MANY things, He was actually a candidate for Vice president. Victoria Woodhall was at the top of the ticket... Another thing for you to google...
He was fond of saying: "I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong."
Yes. that meant he did not care if you were a woman or a man, black or white, Native Amercan, he did not care... oh yes, btw, he was a slave. He wanted equality, just as did our sisters in the suffrage movement. HE fought hard for suffrage, and he fought hard for abolition.
I would venture to say that if alive today, Federick and Elizabeth would both be ashamed at the what Hillary Clinton is allowing to be done in her name. I am sad to say that if informed of our suffragette history, she would not 'get it'.
I am not asking woman to take a seat in the back of the bus. I know that blacks achieved the right to vote before women. I know that history. We as women STILL ended out on top... to the shame of this nation. Did we as women suffer thru Jim Crow? Did we as women need the civil rights act? As women -- no we did not.
We are doing quite well, although we still have serious equality issues. We should NEVER allow ANY Democratic candidate to use RACE to try to win an election. And seriously, to my fellow sisters, we should never allow this to be done in our name.
I am asking that her campaign stop and look at our sisters who made history without demeaning our black brothers (and in turn, any minority or group that suffers injustice at the hands of our government or fellow citizens) it is easy to forget the abolitionist and suffrage movements. It is. ESPECIALLY when we as women have gained so damn much.
What women like Stanton, Anthony, Mott, Tubman, Bloomer, Stone, and MANY others did, took grace, class and hubris, and it was not done without dissent (many factions split and some relations never got mended). But, the reality is this, Elizabeth never put down Frederick because of his color, which was, at the time, truly considered a *class* of people. Women were a class as well, and we both had sub classes... (I will not go into detail about what the definition of people were at the time. it is not a pretty definition).
We have a chance to go forward in this nation where we don't have to make a choice between color or sex. This is what Frederick and Elizabeth gave to us. They did not run against each other, granted, but he was a great supporter of the suffrage movement, and she was a supporter of abolitionists.
I personally think that Obama get's that *idea*. Perhaps not in the context of the history that I tried to present, But, IMO, Senator Clinton does not get it. Senator Obama has not used his race, but she HAS used her sex. And truthfully, as a woman, I don't think we should have to use our sex to show that we are better for the office of president. We should not use our sex period, unless we want to get laid...
(Come on, I needed to get a joke in eventually) Here is the bottom line:
.... Is it acceptable for Senator Clinton to fight this fight using race against her opponent while using her sex as a reason to propel herself?
If this is the case, if sex trumps race, Elizabeth Cady Stanton is crying, and Frederick Douglas is consoling her. And quite honestly, if it were the other way around, I think Elizabeth would be consoling Frederick. But right now, it isn't the other way around.
And, sadly if this is true, we have truly forgotten everything Suffrage was all about. March is Women's History Month. Let's celebrate. Not tear down.
See y'all inside.
:peace: and
Raine
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Comment by 
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 11:48:56
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 11:48:56
G-Mornin!
Before things get started today...
Raine - a couple times (since I've joined up) you've used ":::Biden::: yes" as a response.
I guess I'm a little slow, cuz I didn't get it at first.
Took till this a.m. and I have to say,
Before things get started today...
Raine - a couple times (since I've joined up) you've used ":::Biden::: yes" as a response.
I guess I'm a little slow, cuz I didn't get it at first.
Took till this a.m. and I have to say,
Comment by 
TriSec on 03/13/2008 12:07:27
TriSec on 03/13/2008 12:07:27
Morning, folks...Raine with the insomnia blog!
I've got one for you other 80s children out there...I'm re-organizing all of our team data, metrics, scorecards, etc. I think I should call the new database the "MCP"...or maybe the "WOPR".
Blog bonus points at stake!
I've got one for you other 80s children out there...I'm re-organizing all of our team data, metrics, scorecards, etc. I think I should call the new database the "MCP"...or maybe the "WOPR".
Blog bonus points at stake!
Comment by 
m-hadley on 03/13/2008 12:13:45
m-hadley on 03/13/2008 12:13:45
Mornin' Raine,
I'm up early (took a friend to the airport
) I loved your post. What really gets me is that Ferraro said that being Black was an advantage in this race. Since when is being born African American in this country an advantage? I think that all of the inmates incarcerated for crack cocaine (with much longer sentences than those convicted of dealing powder cocaine) might beg to differ, every Black person who has tried to hail a cab after dark might disagree, every African American who has been pulled over for DWB (Driving while Black) might have a thing or two to say to Geraldine. How in the world can she claim that being Black is an advantage while being female is an obstacle to valiantly overcome? I am as incredulous as Rachel Maddow was last night - it defies logic to make this assertion. I am afraid that some friends of mine (or should I say women I used to know) are so steeped in the Hillary Kool-Aid, that they are ignoring this egregious pattern that the Clinton Camp has established and I fear that we all may pay the price for this divisive tactic.
Just my two cents...
Hope everybody has a good day. BTB, my new roommate, inspite of being an addict seems like a pretty decent person - at least my laptop was still where I left it yesterday
yeah ;)
Cheers
mfaye
I'm up early (took a friend to the airport
) I loved your post. What really gets me is that Ferraro said that being Black was an advantage in this race. Since when is being born African American in this country an advantage? I think that all of the inmates incarcerated for crack cocaine (with much longer sentences than those convicted of dealing powder cocaine) might beg to differ, every Black person who has tried to hail a cab after dark might disagree, every African American who has been pulled over for DWB (Driving while Black) might have a thing or two to say to Geraldine. How in the world can she claim that being Black is an advantage while being female is an obstacle to valiantly overcome? I am as incredulous as Rachel Maddow was last night - it defies logic to make this assertion. I am afraid that some friends of mine (or should I say women I used to know) are so steeped in the Hillary Kool-Aid, that they are ignoring this egregious pattern that the Clinton Camp has established and I fear that we all may pay the price for this divisive tactic.Just my two cents...
Hope everybody has a good day. BTB, my new roommate, inspite of being an addict seems like a pretty decent person - at least my laptop was still where I left it yesterday
yeah ;)Cheers
mfaye
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 12:17:20
Lordy, Tron and War Games - too much for this early...
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 12:17:20
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, folks...Raine with the insomnia blog!
I've got one for you other 80s children out there...I'm re-organizing all of our team data, metrics, scorecards, etc. I think I should call the new database the "MCP"...or maybe the "WOPR".
Blog bonus points at stake!
Lordy, Tron and War Games - too much for this early...
Comment by TriSec on 03/13/2008 12:38:49
Shane, you're new at this.
Usually, my "bonus" questions get ignored all day, then Mondo comes in about 10 hours later and goads me into taking the points myself.
TriSec on 03/13/2008 12:38:49
Shane, you're new at this.
Usually, my "bonus" questions get ignored all day, then Mondo comes in about 10 hours later and goads me into taking the points myself.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 12:44:20
Sry for messing up the flow - I am definitely a newbie. :doh:
Might I be able to assign the "bonus points" back?
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 12:44:20
Quote by TriSec:
Shane, you're new at this.
Usually, my "bonus" questions get ignored all day, then Mondo comes in about 10 hours later and goads me into taking the points myself.
Sry for messing up the flow - I am definitely a newbie. :doh:
Might I be able to assign the "bonus points" back?
Comment by TriSec on 03/13/2008 12:55:57
TriSec on 03/13/2008 12:55:57
Oh, no...it's such a rare thing that anyone gets them. Go on, enjoy them. They're good at the Blogbar.
:martini:
:martini:
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 13:04:35
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 13:04:35
OK- I'll use them for our first round at happy hour then... 
Comment by TriSec on 03/13/2008 13:06:01
TriSec on 03/13/2008 13:06:01
hmm...what's everyone listening to today? 
I suppose I can always go back to my first and bestest Momma, the good Dr. Maddow...
But I've also got Superman and The Shadow in the 'ol iPod today.
I suppose I can always go back to my first and bestest Momma, the good Dr. Maddow...
But I've also got Superman and The Shadow in the 'ol iPod today.
Comment by 
BobR on 03/13/2008 13:09:02
BobR on 03/13/2008 13:09:02
Morning, folks... :coffee:
Comment by BobR on 03/13/2008 13:10:52
I'm going to give the subs another shot, but may end up switching to music.
I'm putting together a website of all my songs, so I occasionally have to listen to an MP3 to see if it's what I think it is...
BobR on 03/13/2008 13:10:52
Quote by TriSec:
hmm...what's everyone listening to today?
I suppose I can always go back to my first and bestest Momma, the good Dr. Maddow...
But I've also got Superman and The Shadow in the 'ol iPod today.
I'm going to give the subs another shot, but may end up switching to music.
I'm putting together a website of all my songs, so I occasionally have to listen to an MP3 to see if it's what I think it is...
Comment by 
starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:25:52
starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:25:52
Why oh why do I try to people at work about political/current event stories???
:thud:
: looks up from the floor : oh yeah...good morning.
:thud:
: looks up from the floor : oh yeah...good morning.
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:27:35
HA! HA! HA! Yay, Shane-O. . . .you got it.
Randi Rhodes started that for me. She always plays that clip of joe biden saying
yes. and it cracks me up every time.
starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:27:35
Quote by Shane-O:
G-Mornin!
Before things get started today...
Raine - a couple times (since I've joined up) you've used ":::Biden::: yes" as a response.
I guess I'm a little slow, cuz I didn't get it at first.
Took till this a.m. and I have to say,
HA! HA! HA! Yay, Shane-O. . . .you got it.
Randi Rhodes started that for me. She always plays that clip of joe biden saying
yes. and it cracks me up every time.
Comment by BobR on 03/13/2008 13:28:33
Not unlike a classical musician trying to talk about music to someone who only listens to Top 40...
BobR on 03/13/2008 13:28:33
Quote by starling310:
Why oh why do I try to people at work about political/current event stories???
:thud:
: looks up from the floor : oh yeah...good morning.
Not unlike a classical musician trying to talk about music to someone who only listens to Top 40...
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:30:28
Oy yoy yoy. . .
It's really a lost cause.
starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:30:28
Quote by BobR:Quote by starling310:
Why oh why do I try to people at work about political/current event stories???
:thud:
: looks up from the floor : oh yeah...good morning.
Not unlike a classical musician trying to talk about music to someone who only listens to Top 40...
Oy yoy yoy. . .
It's really a lost cause.
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:33:21
starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:33:21
"Gas Prices at an all time high"
Fantastic.
I don't have a car payment right now, which I am happy about. But, I have been seriously considering getting a Yaris, which would get better gas mileage. I am wondering if, financially, it's worth it.
Fantastic.
I don't have a car payment right now, which I am happy about. But, I have been seriously considering getting a Yaris, which would get better gas mileage. I am wondering if, financially, it's worth it.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 13:34:08
Yes, when I think of Senator Biden's great debate performances, I often forget that one. But the one that remains was about Rudy's sentence structure: a noun, a verb and 9/11. Brilliant!
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 13:34:08
Quote by starling310:Quote by Shane-O:
G-Mornin!
Before things get started today...
Raine - a couple times (since I've joined up) you've used ":::Biden::: yes" as a response.
I guess I'm a little slow, cuz I didn't get it at first.
Took till this a.m. and I have to say,
HA! HA! HA! Yay, Shane-O. . . .you got it.
Randi Rhodes started that for me. She always plays that clip of joe biden saying
yes. and it cracks me up every time.
Yes, when I think of Senator Biden's great debate performances, I often forget that one. But the one that remains was about Rudy's sentence structure: a noun, a verb and 9/11. Brilliant!
Comment by 
jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 13:34:58
jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 13:34:58
My mom just got a Yaris, which is getting GREAT gas mileage, and is fun to drive. It's definitely at the top of my list (when I can afford to get a new car)
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/13/2008 13:35:03
Good morning, bloggers!! I am giving the subs a shot, as I listened to Jay Marvin in Denver yesterday. (He used to be he in Chicago.) He had a great guest from the Center of American Progress comment on the Fallon resignation and writer Ishmael Reed commenting on Ferraro's remarks.
So, I will give Frangela a chance.
Raine, excellent post. I do not want to see DOMINANCE for any group but EQUALITY. The only way my rights are truly secure is if the rights of others are also secure.
For those who might want to look, the Unfiltered News Network Daily Headlines are up and being worked on. Several good stories.
Here is one from the Nation:
Will in Chicago on 03/13/2008 13:35:03
Quote by TriSec:
hmm...what's everyone listening to today?
I suppose I can always go back to my first and bestest Momma, the good Dr. Maddow...
But I've also got Superman and The Shadow in the 'ol iPod today.
Good morning, bloggers!! I am giving the subs a shot, as I listened to Jay Marvin in Denver yesterday. (He used to be he in Chicago.) He had a great guest from the Center of American Progress comment on the Fallon resignation and writer Ishmael Reed commenting on Ferraro's remarks.
So, I will give Frangela a chance.
Raine, excellent post. I do not want to see DOMINANCE for any group but EQUALITY. The only way my rights are truly secure is if the rights of others are also secure.
For those who might want to look, the Unfiltered News Network Daily Headlines are up and being worked on. Several good stories.
Here is one from the Nation:
McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam
Washington Dispatch: Televangelist Rod Parsley, a key McCain ally in Ohio, has called for eradicating the "false religion." Will the GOP presidential candidate renounce him?
By David Corn
March 12, 2008
Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a "war" against the "false religion" of Islam with the aim of destroying it.
On February 26, McCain appeared at a campaign rally in Cincinnati with the Reverend Rod Parsley of the World Harvest Church of Columbus, a supersize Pentecostal institution that features a 5,200-seat sanctuary, a television studio (where Parsley tapes a weekly show), and a 122,000-square-foot Ministry Activity Center. That day, a week before the Ohio primary, Parsley praised the Republican presidential front-runner as a "strong, true, consistent conservative." The endorsement was important for McCain, who at the time was trying to put an end to the lingering challenge from former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, a favorite among Christian evangelicals. A politically influential figure in Ohio, Parsley could also play a key role in McCain's effort to win this bellwether state in the general election. McCain, with Parsley by his side at the Cincinnati rally, called the evangelical minister a "spiritual guide."
The leader of a 12,000-member congregation, Parsley has written several books outlining his fundamentalist religious outlook, including the 2005 Silent No More. In this work, Parsley decries the "spiritual desperation" of the United States, and he blasts away at the usual suspects: activist judges, civil libertarians who advocate the separation of church and state, the homosexual "culture" ("homosexuals are anything but happy and carefree"), the "abortion industry," and the crass and profane entertainment industry. And Parsley targets another profound threat to the United States: the religion of Islam.
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:36:34
Sweet!
I have heard good things about them. . . fun to drive? even with a measly 106HP?
I like the hatchback.
starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:36:34
Quote by jd_in_ny:
My mom just got a Yaris, which is getting GREAT gas mileage, and is fun to drive. It's definitely at the top of my list (when I can afford to get a new car)
Sweet!
I have heard good things about them. . . fun to drive? even with a measly 106HP?
I like the hatchback.
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:38:12
And, it's guaranteed to make Raine
laugh every time! !!!
starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:38:12
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by starling310:Quote by Shane-O:
G-Mornin!
Before things get started today...
Raine - a couple times (since I've joined up) you've used ":::Biden::: yes" as a response.
I guess I'm a little slow, cuz I didn't get it at first.
Took till this a.m. and I have to say,
HA! HA! HA! Yay, Shane-O. . . .you got it.
Randi Rhodes started that for me. She always plays that clip of joe biden saying
yes. and it cracks me up every time.
Yes, when I think of Senator Biden's great debate performances, I often forget that one. But the one that remains was about Rudy's sentence structure: a noun, a verb and 9/11. Brilliant!
And, it's guaranteed to make Raine
laugh every time! !!!
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 13:38:25
I like that comparison, BobR... Philip Glass, Steve Reich are called "minimalists" - not "musicians" like Spears and Co. Seems backward to me...
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 13:38:25
Quote by BobR:Quote by starling310:
Why oh why do I try to people at work about political/current event stories???
:thud:
: looks up from the floor : oh yeah...good morning.
Not unlike a classical musician trying to talk about music to someone who only listens to Top 40...
I like that comparison, BobR... Philip Glass, Steve Reich are called "minimalists" - not "musicians" like Spears and Co. Seems backward to me...
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 13:49:14
She has the hatchback, standard transmission, and she says it's fun. It's definitely a cute car, and surprisingly roomy inside
jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 13:49:14
Quote by starling310:Quote by jd_in_ny:
My mom just got a Yaris, which is getting GREAT gas mileage, and is fun to drive. It's definitely at the top of my list (when I can afford to get a new car)
Sweet!
I have heard good things about them. . . fun to drive? even with a measly 106HP?
I like the hatchback.
She has the hatchback, standard transmission, and she says it's fun. It's definitely a cute car, and surprisingly roomy inside
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 03/13/2008 13:52:37
velveeta jones on 03/13/2008 13:52:37
Morning ALL!!
WWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Who is this Angela and Fran / Frangela ?????
Velveeta is ..........................in LUUUUUUUUVVVVVVV!!
:wub2:
I'm gonna find some reason to call in and request a threeway.
Or, would that be in bad taste?
WWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Who is this Angela and Fran / Frangela ?????
Velveeta is ..........................in LUUUUUUUUVVVVVVV!!
:wub2:I'm gonna find some reason to call in and request a threeway.
Or, would that be in bad taste?
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:54:47
starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:54:47
:: angela :: "79.21%!"
:rofl:
Velveeta, let's make it a 4 way!!! :wub2:
:rofl:
Velveeta, let's make it a 4 way!!! :wub2:
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 13:58:14
jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 13:58:14
"Black people say I'm okay!" 
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:59:07
Hilarious!
starling310 on 03/13/2008 13:59:07
Quote by jd_in_ny:
"Black people say I'm okay!"
Hilarious!
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/13/2008 14:01:47
velveeta jones on 03/13/2008 14:01:47
GREAT POST RAINE!!!!
You and I feel the same, I think, I am more disappointed in Hillary for her back-stabbing then her vote for funding the war! We can disagree about war funding, but to hear her using racism (and by extension sexism) really angers me.
You and I feel the same, I think, I am more disappointed in Hillary for her back-stabbing then her vote for funding the war! We can disagree about war funding, but to hear her using racism (and by extension sexism) really angers me.
Comment by m-hadley on 03/13/2008 14:02:13
Mornin' Everybody :coffee:,
I gotta give a plug for my vehicle, a spiffy little Scion XA (five speed :). Great mileage (35 around town, 38 + on the highway). Plus it was the first new car I ever bought in my life (only 2 miles on the odometer when I drove it off the lot). I've got two big dogs (80 pounds and 75 pounds respectively) who ride along fine in the backseat - mega dog hair zone Good sound system, nice pick up, the ride is a little rough, but hey so am I 
And I paid less than $13,000.00 for it in August 2004. I am NOT a Scion salesperson, I promise 
m-hadley on 03/13/2008 14:02:13
Quote by starling310:
"Gas Prices at an all time high"
Fantastic.
I don't have a car payment right now, which I am happy about. But, I have been seriously considering getting a Yaris, which would get better gas mileage. I am wondering if, financially, it's worth it.
Mornin' Everybody :coffee:,
I gotta give a plug for my vehicle, a spiffy little Scion XA (five speed :). Great mileage (35 around town, 38 + on the highway). Plus it was the first new car I ever bought in my life (only 2 miles on the odometer when I drove it off the lot). I've got two big dogs (80 pounds and 75 pounds respectively) who ride along fine in the backseat - mega dog hair zone
Good sound system, nice pick up, the ride is a little rough, but hey so am I And I paid less than $13,000.00 for it in August 2004. I am NOT a Scion salesperson, I promise
Comment by 
wickedpam on 03/13/2008 14:02:21
wickedpam on 03/13/2008 14:02:21
Morning :hug:
Comment by m-hadley on 03/13/2008 14:05:50
Can anybody say five-way? or does that qualify as an orgy? In any case count me in...
m-hadley on 03/13/2008 14:05:50
Quote by starling310:
:: angela :: "79.21%!"
:rofl:
Velveeta, let's make it a 4 way!!! :wub2:
Can anybody say five-way? or does that qualify as an orgy? In any case count me in...
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:07:11
Wow, Faye...you really are back!
Orgy it is! ( if we can all stop laughing long enough )
starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:07:11
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by starling310:
:: angela :: "79.21%!"
:rofl:
Velveeta, let's make it a 4 way!!! :wub2:
Can anybody say five-way? or does that qualify as an orgy? In any case count me in...
Wow, Faye...you really are back!
Orgy it is! ( if we can all stop laughing long enough )
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:08:32
Really? I will check out the Scion.
I don't need a brand new car, honestly. I had 1 once and it was so expensive to insure, etc. So, I've been looking for used, 2 or 3 years old. But, i will definitely check it out.
starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:08:32
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by starling310:
"Gas Prices at an all time high"
Fantastic.
I don't have a car payment right now, which I am happy about. But, I have been seriously considering getting a Yaris, which would get better gas mileage. I am wondering if, financially, it's worth it.
Mornin' Everybody :coffee:,
I gotta give a plug for my vehicle, a spiffy little Scion XA (five speed :). Great mileage (35 around town, 38 + on the highway). Plus it was the first new car I ever bought in my life (only 2 miles on the odometer when I drove it off the lot). I've got two big dogs (80 pounds and 75 pounds respectively) who ride along fine in the backseat - mega dog hair zone
Really? I will check out the Scion.
I don't need a brand new car, honestly. I had 1 once and it was so expensive to insure, etc. So, I've been looking for used, 2 or 3 years old. But, i will definitely check it out.
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:16:32
starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:16:32
I'm sorry, can someone clarify to me why prostitution is illegal in the first place?
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:21:53
starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:21:53
Comment by TriSec on 03/13/2008 14:23:11
TriSec on 03/13/2008 14:23:11
Now Playing: Mood Indigo / Tony Bennett sings Duke
Comment by TriSec on 03/13/2008 14:26:39
*snort*
How about a plug for us jazzmen? At least you're likely to have even a top 40 dork to have heard of Beethoven or Mozart.
Ask me about the "John Wayne Big Band" incident someday...
TriSec on 03/13/2008 14:26:39
Quote by BobR:
Not unlike a classical musician trying to talk about music to someone who only listens to Top 40...
*snort*
How about a plug for us jazzmen? At least you're likely to have even a top 40 dork to have heard of Beethoven or Mozart.
Ask me about the "John Wayne Big Band" incident someday...
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:26:45
starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:26:45
I'm going to start listening to Frangela on weekends! They are hysterical.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/13/2008 14:27:41
Here are some links, VJ:
First, here is the link to their show on KTLK and to the Frangela site.
Will in Chicago on 03/13/2008 14:27:41
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning ALL!!
WWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Who is this Angela and Fran / Frangela ?????
Velveeta is ..........................in LUUUUUUUUVVVVVVV!!
I'm gonna find some reason to call in and request a threeway.
Or, would that be in bad taste?
Here are some links, VJ:
First, here is the link to their show on KTLK and to the Frangela site.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 14:38:02
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 14:38:02
FYI - I set up the March Madness group, for those who might be interested. And I'll put up reminders over the next week.
The site is: http://tournament.fantasysports.yahoo.com
The group in named: "Unoffical SMS Tourny" -- Group ID #55189
Password: "computersaysyes"
Of course, you can't pick your brackets yet, but there is a feature you can click that will shoot an email to you when you can.
The site is: http://tournament.fantasysports.yahoo.com
The group in named: "Unoffical SMS Tourny" -- Group ID #55189
Password: "computersaysyes"
Of course, you can't pick your brackets yet, but there is a feature you can click that will shoot an email to you when you can.
Comment by BobR on 03/13/2008 14:38:43
*snort* right back...
That goes for ANY musical "specialty". Ask anyone under 30 (and older "mainstream only" musical types) if they've ever heard of Oingo Boingo or XTC or Echo and the Bunnymen. You'll get blank stares too.
My original analogy stands: People with depth of understanding and nuance in our political process should not discuss politics with people that get all of their political information from FAUX News playing on the TV in the breakroom while they nuke their Stouffers Lean Cuisine™ for lunch...
BobR on 03/13/2008 14:38:43
Quote by TriSec:
*snort*
How about a plug for us jazzmen? At least you're likely to have even a top 40 dork to have heard of Beethoven or Mozart.
Ask me about the "John Wayne Big Band" incident someday...
*snort* right back...
That goes for ANY musical "specialty". Ask anyone under 30 (and older "mainstream only" musical types) if they've ever heard of Oingo Boingo or XTC or Echo and the Bunnymen. You'll get blank stares too.
My original analogy stands: People with depth of understanding and nuance in our political process should not discuss politics with people that get all of their political information from FAUX News playing on the TV in the breakroom while they nuke their Stouffers Lean Cuisine™ for lunch...
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:39:07
starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:39:07
Hellz yeah...my mom would leave me in the car, with the keys, so I can turn them backward and listen to the radio.
:shrug:
:shrug:
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:41:01
:spit:
:clap:
starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:41:01
Quote by BobR:Quote by TriSec:
*snort*
How about a plug for us jazzmen? At least you're likely to have even a top 40 dork to have heard of Beethoven or Mozart.
Ask me about the "John Wayne Big Band" incident someday...
*snort* right back...
That goes for ANY musical "specialty". Ask anyone under 30 (and older "mainstream only" musical types) if they've ever heard of Oingo Boingo or XTC or Echo and the Bunnymen. You'll get blank stares too.
My original analogy stands: People with depth of understanding and nuance in our political process should not discuss politics with people that get all of their political information from FAUX News playing on the TV in the breakroom while they nuke their Stouffers Lean Cuisine™ for lunch...
:spit:
:clap:
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 14:43:46
jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 14:43:46
My mother, a professor, would resign if students (ANYONE) were allowed to have guns on campus.
Comment by TriSec on 03/13/2008 14:51:17
TriSec on 03/13/2008 14:51:17
Well, at least I can be thankful that I was raised by musicians. I'll listen to anything, anytime, anywhere.
And I'm still rather proud of the fact that back when we were getting married, and we actually went to dance school, the instructor told me that I was the first man that ever came through his door that he didn't have to teach how to find a downbeat...
And I'm still rather proud of the fact that back when we were getting married, and we actually went to dance school, the instructor told me that I was the first man that ever came through his door that he didn't have to teach how to find a downbeat...
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/13/2008 14:53:37
Because 99% of the women are doing it against their will. Would that be a good reason?
velveeta jones on 03/13/2008 14:53:37
Quote by starling310:
I'm sorry, can someone clarify to me why prostitution is illegal in the first place?
Because 99% of the women are doing it against their will. Would that be a good reason?
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:56:34
starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:56:34
Has this dude from NoHo been hittin' the sauce?
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:59:03
Yeah, that would be a good reason.
starling310 on 03/13/2008 14:59:03
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by starling310:
I'm sorry, can someone clarify to me why prostitution is illegal in the first place?
Because 99% of the women are doing it against their will. Would that be a good reason?
Yeah, that would be a good reason.
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 15:02:23
starling310 on 03/13/2008 15:02:23
See what you get for doing something nice? That mother was donating money. 
I love how the story tells you the exact amount. . . "Coyne had taken her 2 older daughters to pour $8.29 in coins into the salvation army kettle."
I love how the story tells you the exact amount. . . "Coyne had taken her 2 older daughters to pour $8.29 in coins into the salvation army kettle."
Comment by 
livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:02:40
livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:02:40
Good morning everyone. I had to take the car to the shop this morning. It looks like it needs new breaks (all this local traffic makes me go through breaks so quickly) but I am on the Wi-Fi.
Great blog today, Raine.
Great blog today, Raine.
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 15:04:39
Raine on 03/13/2008 15:04:39
:yawn: good morning everyone!
Comment by wickedpam on 03/13/2008 15:07:58
wickedpam on 03/13/2008 15:07:58
Hey Liv & Raine
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 15:09:27
::: Yes :::
:rofl: <---- see? coffee spewing forth from nose.
Raine on 03/13/2008 15:09:27
Quote by starling310
And, it's guaranteed to make Raine
:rofl: <---- see? coffee spewing forth from nose.
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 15:10:45
starling310 on 03/13/2008 15:10:45
Hey Raine! Hey Livin!
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 15:10:53
It's not just women - there are men who do this as well.
As to the "will" issue - it comes down to the lack of opportunities. I honestly believe that very, very few people, if given the true choice, would choose to enter such a profession.
The negative ramifications are clear.
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 15:10:53
Quote by starling310:Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by starling310:
I'm sorry, can someone clarify to me why prostitution is illegal in the first place?
Because 99% of the women are doing it against their will. Would that be a good reason?
Yeah, that would be a good reason.
It's not just women - there are men who do this as well.
As to the "will" issue - it comes down to the lack of opportunities. I honestly believe that very, very few people, if given the true choice, would choose to enter such a profession.
The negative ramifications are clear.
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 15:11:58
starling310 on 03/13/2008 15:11:58
I did email : producerchris : to thank him for Frangela!
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 15:12:42
:: joe biden :: Yes.
starling310 on 03/13/2008 15:12:42
Quote by Raine:::: Yes :::Quote by starling310
And, it's guaranteed to make Raine
:rofl: <---- see? coffee spewing forth from nose.
:: joe biden :: Yes.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 15:13:44
Mornin' Raine - was concerned when your post went up at 4:30 a.m....!
I hope all is well.
Oof - I shouldn't say "hope" - I'll FIGHT so that all is well.
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 15:13:44
Quote by Raine:
:yawn: good morning everyone!
Mornin' Raine - was concerned when your post went up at 4:30 a.m....!
I hope all is well.
Oof - I shouldn't say "hope" - I'll FIGHT so that all is well.
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 15:17:42
starling310 on 03/13/2008 15:17:42
This young, white lady doesn't trust "Vote by Mail" either! 
Comment by BobR on 03/13/2008 15:17:54
Hey Liv - that sucks about the car. I just had my brakes done (after 75k miles) and I needed new rotors on the front as well as the pads. I waited way too long, but I didn't have the cash to get even just the pads done until recently (and I no longer have any credit cards).
I always take it to a particular Big 10 Tires shop that I know is honest. I used to go to Brake-O, but after having them tell me I needed over $1000 in brake work on a van (including new calipers) for them to guarantee any of it, I took it to my tire place and they said "naw, you just need new pads". It cost me 1/10th as much.
Find a good honest mechanic/garage and stick with them!
BobR on 03/13/2008 15:17:54
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone. I had to take the car to the shop this morning. It looks like it needs new breaks (all this local traffic makes me go through breaks so quickly) but I am on the Wi-Fi.
Great blog today, Raine.
Hey Liv - that sucks about the car. I just had my brakes done (after 75k miles) and I needed new rotors on the front as well as the pads. I waited way too long, but I didn't have the cash to get even just the pads done until recently (and I no longer have any credit cards).
I always take it to a particular Big 10 Tires shop that I know is honest. I used to go to Brake-O, but after having them tell me I needed over $1000 in brake work on a van (including new calipers) for them to guarantee any of it, I took it to my tire place and they said "naw, you just need new pads". It cost me 1/10th as much.
Find a good honest mechanic/garage and stick with them!
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:18:32
Another one pushing for them as a replacement for Auntie Elayne as fill-in. There seems to be a lot of support for them except from Izzy.
livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:18:32
Quote by starling310:
I did email : producerchris : to thank him for Frangela!
Another one pushing for them as a replacement for Auntie Elayne as fill-in. There seems to be a lot of support for them except from Izzy.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 15:18:36
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 15:18:36
Does anyone see the incongruity inside the Clinton campaign where they crabbed about "some votes meaning more than others" when commenting (and suing) about Nevada - and now, they claim that the votes in certain states (particularly caucus states and so-called "red" states) should mean less to the Suuuperdelagates?
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/13/2008 15:20:28
Many women are not given "choice". They are addicted to drugs and will do anything for the drug. Controlled by the pimps and the drugs, choice is not an option. A sense of hopelessness makes it even worse, they think "why should I even try to change, I'm not worth it anyway". So, yes I agree, they have no true choice.
We need to start valuing women more.
velveeta jones on 03/13/2008 15:20:28
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by starling310:Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by starling310:
I'm sorry, can someone clarify to me why prostitution is illegal in the first place?
Because 99% of the women are doing it against their will. Would that be a good reason?
Yeah, that would be a good reason.
It's not just women - there are men who do this as well.
As to the "will" issue - it comes down to the lack of opportunities. I honestly believe that very, very few people, if given the true choice, would choose to enter such a profession.
The negative ramifications are clear.
We need to start valuing women more.
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/13/2008 15:23:14
velveeta jones on 03/13/2008 15:23:14
Later, ya'lls. I'm off to do some gardening!!
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:23:31
I have actually been using my dealer for car maintenance ever since I bought it. When I have had to have major work done, it ends up being a couple of hundred bucks otherwise it's just been the basic oil change/3000 mile maintenance. I just got my estimate today and it should be around $430 to fix my car with the front breaks needing replacement.
livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:23:31
Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone. I had to take the car to the shop this morning. It looks like it needs new breaks (all this local traffic makes me go through breaks so quickly) but I am on the Wi-Fi.
Great blog today, Raine.
Hey Liv - that sucks about the car. I just had my brakes done (after 75k miles) and I needed new rotors on the front as well as the pads. I waited way too long, but I didn't have the cash to get even just the pads done until recently (and I no longer have any credit cards).
I always take it to a particular Big 10 Tires shop that I know is honest. I used to go to Brake-O, but after having them tell me I needed over $1000 in brake work on a van (including new calipers) for them to guarantee any of it, I took it to my tire place and they said "naw, you just need new pads". It cost me 1/10th as much.
Find a good honest mechanic/garage and stick with them!
I have actually been using my dealer for car maintenance ever since I bought it. When I have had to have major work done, it ends up being a couple of hundred bucks otherwise it's just been the basic oil change/3000 mile maintenance. I just got my estimate today and it should be around $430 to fix my car with the front breaks needing replacement.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 15:23:34
jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 15:23:34
And then you get the assertion that all sex is related to money, which equates all women with prostitutes (because, generally, that's how the discussion goes)
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 15:26:05
Just for pads? And, just in the front? That seems a bit high, Liv. Front brake pads should be around $150, at the most. The pads themselves are about 30 bucks, and 60-something for labor.
starling310 on 03/13/2008 15:26:05
Quote by livingonli:Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone. I had to take the car to the shop this morning. It looks like it needs new breaks (all this local traffic makes me go through breaks so quickly) but I am on the Wi-Fi.
Great blog today, Raine.
Hey Liv - that sucks about the car. I just had my brakes done (after 75k miles) and I needed new rotors on the front as well as the pads. I waited way too long, but I didn't have the cash to get even just the pads done until recently (and I no longer have any credit cards).
I always take it to a particular Big 10 Tires shop that I know is honest. I used to go to Brake-O, but after having them tell me I needed over $1000 in brake work on a van (including new calipers) for them to guarantee any of it, I took it to my tire place and they said "naw, you just need new pads". It cost me 1/10th as much.
Find a good honest mechanic/garage and stick with them!
I have actually been using my dealer for car maintenance ever since I bought it. When I have had to have major work done, it ends up being a couple of hundred bucks otherwise it's just been the basic oil change/3000 mile maintenance. I just got my estimate today and it should be around $430 to fix my car with the front breaks needing replacement.
Just for pads? And, just in the front? That seems a bit high, Liv. Front brake pads should be around $150, at the most. The pads themselves are about 30 bucks, and 60-something for labor.
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:26:12
Like when a guy complains about all the money he spends dating a woman while he's only thinking about when he will get her into bed.
livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:26:12
Quote by jd_in_ny:
And then you get the assertion that all sex is related to money, which equates all women with prostitutes (because, generally, that's how the discussion goes)
Like when a guy complains about all the money he spends dating a woman while he's only thinking about when he will get her into bed.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 15:27:24
Agreed - and enjoy your garden!
And even if addiction is not the cause in such situations, addiction is often an effect.
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 15:27:24
Quote by velveeta jones:Many women are not given "choice". They are addicted to drugs and will do anything for the drug. Controlled by the pimps and the drugs, choice is not an option. A sense of hopelessness makes it even worse, they think "why should I even try to change, I'm not worth it anyway". So, yes I agree, they have no true choice.Quote by Shane-O:Quote by starling310:Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by starling310:
I'm sorry, can someone clarify to me why prostitution is illegal in the first place?
Because 99% of the women are doing it against their will. Would that be a good reason?
Yeah, that would be a good reason.
It's not just women - there are men who do this as well.
As to the "will" issue - it comes down to the lack of opportunities. I honestly believe that very, very few people, if given the true choice, would choose to enter such a profession.
The negative ramifications are clear.
We need to start valuing women more.
Agreed - and enjoy your garden!
And even if addiction is not the cause in such situations, addiction is often an effect.
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:27:34
livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:27:34
I also have a part in the engine that needs to be replaced contributing to the total plus standard maintenance scheduled. The break work is 300 bucks.
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 15:28:17
starling310 on 03/13/2008 15:28:17
I don't think people from one party should be allowed to monkey around with the other party's primary.
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:28:49
livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:28:49
Btw, Morning Mala and
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/13/2008 15:31:39
velveeta jones on 03/13/2008 15:31:39
Thanks, Shane-O.
BTW, speaking of addictions......... I feel GREAT today. Today is my 13/13. Its the 13th of March and I have, as of today, 13 years clean and sober!! WooHoo!!!!!!!
A doubly great day to spend in the garden! :D
BTW, speaking of addictions......... I feel GREAT today. Today is my 13/13. Its the 13th of March and I have, as of today, 13 years clean and sober!! WooHoo!!!!!!!
A doubly great day to spend in the garden! :D
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 15:33:38
Raine on 03/13/2008 15:33:38
Thanks For the *digg* !!!
For the *digg* !!!
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 15:33:58
starling310 on 03/13/2008 15:33:58
Velveeta!!! 
Comment by wickedpam on 03/13/2008 15:35:57
wickedpam on 03/13/2008 15:35:57
Congrats Vel! :hug:
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 15:36:34
Raine on 03/13/2008 15:36:34
Kilpatrick does indeed have some big problems, eh?
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 15:37:49
Raine on 03/13/2008 15:37:49
pfff.... Marc Molinaro was the yougest mayor... Tivoli, NY.
OoooOOOOoooh. They are mentioning the Wire?
OoooOOOOoooh. They are mentioning the Wire?
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:38:04
livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:38:04
They're mentioning The Wire. Where's Mondo?
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 15:42:10
Velveeta - my honest and humble respect for you on your 13/13. And even if nothing new blooms in your garden on this particular day, it's all planted.
Sry bout the sappiness there...
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 15:42:10
Quote by velveeta jones:
Thanks, Shane-O.
BTW, speaking of addictions......... I feel GREAT today. Today is my 13/13. Its the 13th of March and I have, as of today, 13 years clean and sober!! WooHoo!!!!!!!
A doubly great day to spend in the garden! :D
Velveeta - my honest and humble respect for you on your 13/13. And even if nothing new blooms in your garden on this particular day, it's all planted.
Sry bout the sappiness there...
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 15:46:34
Shane, I have been getting mroe and more angry about this issue, and Last night, I knew I wasn't going to sleep unless I got this one out of my system.
Everynow and then, I do indeed have, what as Tri reffered to as an Insomnia Blog...:P
And you know what? When I woke up, I felt a lot better. No doubt I have pissed of a few people around the blogoshphere, maybe even some people I consider friends, but that is the joy of having good friends... you can debate and communicate and disagree without the hate that we have been so subject to from the ilkes of the Right wing hate machine and the flaven.
Raine on 03/13/2008 15:46:34
Quote by Shane-O:
Mornin' Raine - was concerned when your post went up at 4:30 a.m....!
I hope all is well.
Oof - I shouldn't say "hope" - I'll FIGHT so that all is well.
Everynow and then, I do indeed have, what as Tri reffered to as an Insomnia Blog...:P
And you know what? When I woke up, I felt a lot better. No doubt I have pissed of a few people around the blogoshphere, maybe even some people I consider friends, but that is the joy of having good friends... you can debate and communicate and disagree without the hate that we have been so subject to from the ilkes of the Right wing hate machine and the flaven.
Comment by TriSec on 03/13/2008 15:47:30
TriSec on 03/13/2008 15:47:30
Cheese and flowers for velveeta!
And I noticed this morning...Bush has 313 days left in office...on this 03/13.
And I noticed this morning...Bush has 313 days left in office...on this 03/13.
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:52:01
livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:52:01
Can I have some cheese too?
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 15:52:23
jd_in_ny on 03/13/2008 15:52:23
Yay Velveeta! Congratulations!
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:54:11
livingonli on 03/13/2008 15:54:11
The snow has made things ugly in La Belle Province.
I am glad I have only made my trips to Canada in the summertime.
I have heard stories of club violence and a few ugly incidents in Toronto though.
I am glad I have only made my trips to Canada in the summertime.
I have heard stories of club violence and a few ugly incidents in Toronto though.
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 15:56:23
Raine on 03/13/2008 15:56:23
:rofl: There are no mulligans in voting!
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 15:58:02
Dang, I hate to say, yet again, "I agree." I don't want you all to think I'm a "go along to get along" type. I too get crabby about what's going on - and in turn, get chastised in the blogs.
Raine - even though (or as) it was late, your sentiments were expressed loud and clear. Dang, again - I agree about what you said in your post.
I have a huge problem with Wolfson and Axelrod - they seem to be doing the same thing Rove did (and now does on Fox "News"). The use of sex and/or race as a political wedge issue is as sick as the 2004 election where Rove used anti-same-sex marriage initiatives to rally his minions to vote.
I think we're better than that, as Dems. If only the operatives would knock that crap off... then again, that's not their job, is it?
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 15:58:02
Quote by Raine:Shane, I have been getting mroe and more angry about this issue, and Last night, I knew I wasn't going to sleep unless I got this one out of my system.Quote by Shane-O:
Mornin' Raine - was concerned when your post went up at 4:30 a.m....!
I hope all is well.
Oof - I shouldn't say "hope" - I'll FIGHT so that all is well.
Everynow and then, I do indeed have, what as Tri reffered to as an Insomnia Blog...:P
And you know what? When I woke up, I felt a lot better. No doubt I have pissed of a few people around the blogoshphere, maybe even some people I consider friends, but that is the joy of having good friends... you can debate and communicate and disagree without the hate that we have been so subject to from the ilkes of the Right wing hate machine and the flaven.
Dang, I hate to say, yet again, "I agree." I don't want you all to think I'm a "go along to get along" type. I too get crabby about what's going on - and in turn, get chastised in the blogs.
Raine - even though (or as) it was late, your sentiments were expressed loud and clear. Dang, again - I agree about what you said in your post.
I have a huge problem with Wolfson and Axelrod - they seem to be doing the same thing Rove did (and now does on Fox "News"). The use of sex and/or race as a political wedge issue is as sick as the 2004 election where Rove used anti-same-sex marriage initiatives to rally his minions to vote.
I think we're better than that, as Dems. If only the operatives would knock that crap off... then again, that's not their job, is it?
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 16:10:46
livingonli on 03/13/2008 16:10:46
Why do I have to read the British press to find out what's happening in this country?
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 16:15:40
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 16:15:40
Also, I sent the Coulter clip re: "half black," under a bcc to 4F -- sounded a lot like what Congresswoman Ferraro said about Senator Obama...
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 16:17:15
livingonli on 03/13/2008 16:17:15
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 16:18:57
livingonli on 03/13/2008 16:18:57
Who's listening to Laura Flanders filling in for Thom Hartmann? Looks like a good show today.
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 16:41:01
Raine on 03/13/2008 16:41:01
I am trying to listen to Laura, but my computer monitor seems to be acting fritzy. :harumph:
I just rebooted and it seems ok now.
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 16:42:10
livingonli on 03/13/2008 16:42:10
My laptop just installed a Windows update.
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 16:43:06
Yes, that is true, but ultimatley, I hold the person running responsible for the tenor and the tone of the campaign. She can tell them to knowck this crap off.
Raine on 03/13/2008 16:43:06
I have a huge problem with Wolfson and Axelrod - they seem to be doing the same thing Rove did (and now does on Fox "News"). The use of sex and/or race as a political wedge issue is as sick as the 2004 election where Rove used anti-same-sex marriage initiatives to rally his minions to vote. I think we're better than that, as Dems. If only the operatives would knock that crap off... then again, that's not their job, is it?
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/13/2008 16:46:05
Will in Chicago on 03/13/2008 16:46:05
I have to run some errands, but I will try to stop back. Be well.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 16:46:09
As can he.
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 16:46:09
Quote by Raine:Yes, that is true, but ultimatley, I hold the person running responsible for the tenor and the tone of the campaign. She can tell them to knowck this crap off.I have a huge problem with Wolfson and Axelrod - they seem to be doing the same thing Rove did (and now does on Fox "News"). The use of sex and/or race as a political wedge issue is as sick as the 2004 election where Rove used anti-same-sex marriage initiatives to rally his minions to vote.
I think we're better than that, as Dems. If only the operatives would knock that crap off... then again, that's not their job, is it?
As can he.
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 16:52:02
Raine on 03/13/2008 16:52:02
HEading out for some Lunch! Be back in a bit!
Comment by TriSec on 03/13/2008 16:53:56
TriSec on 03/13/2008 16:53:56
Stay tuned for a mammoth...
AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Comment by 
MMB on 03/13/2008 16:57:10
MMB on 03/13/2008 16:57:10
Congrats Velveeta that is a really great thing!!!! I know you had to do all the work everyday and I hope you had great support we all know how important that can be. A lot of fair weather friends get going when the going gets rough. But in the end you did it each and everyday!!!! 
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 17:02:02
Too bad you can't listen on lunch hour.
And I think Tri must be covered in salt again.
livingonli on 03/13/2008 17:02:02
Quote by Raine:
HEading out for some Lunch! Be back in a bit!
Too bad you can't listen on lunch hour.
And I think Tri must be covered in salt again.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 03/13/2008 17:04:31
IzzyBitz on 03/13/2008 17:04:31
Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:
I did email : producerchris : to thank him for Frangela!
Another one pushing for them as a replacement for Auntie Elayne as fill-in. There seems to be a lot of support for them except from Izzy.
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 17:06:22
:lol:
livingonli on 03/13/2008 17:06:22
Quote by IzzyBitz:Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:
I did email : producerchris : to thank him for Frangela!
Another one pushing for them as a replacement for Auntie Elayne as fill-in. There seems to be a lot of support for them except from Izzy.
:lol:
Comment by TriSec on 03/13/2008 17:06:42
TriSec on 03/13/2008 17:06:42
I don't know why, but I always think of the 'president' whenever I see this particular Pokemon...
(it's called Chimchar...basically a monkey with flames shooting out of its butt.)
(it's called Chimchar...basically a monkey with flames shooting out of its butt.)
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 17:18:52
livingonli on 03/13/2008 17:18:52
Car's fixed and the battery is starting to run low so I am logging off for now.
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 18:40:01
Raine on 03/13/2008 18:40:01
Back!
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 18:40:59
Raine on 03/13/2008 18:40:59
HEy! is this Christy Harvey?
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 18:48:06
Yep. She was on just before Thom.
You missed the whole discussion on the Winter Soldier Hearings coming up this weekend. They will be airing on Pacifica Radio and Free Speech TV and should be streamable from the Iraq Veterans Against the War web site.
livingonli on 03/13/2008 18:48:06
Quote by Raine:
HEy! is this Christy Harvey?
Yep. She was on just before Thom.
You missed the whole discussion on the Winter Soldier Hearings coming up this weekend. They will be airing on Pacifica Radio and Free Speech TV and should be streamable from the Iraq Veterans Against the War web site.
Comment by BobR on 03/13/2008 18:48:42
I'm actually happy with either one. I like them both for different reasons...
BobR on 03/13/2008 18:48:42
Quote by livingonli:
Another one pushing for them as a replacement for Auntie Elayne as fill-in. There seems to be a lot of support for them except from Izzy.
I'm actually happy with either one. I like them both for different reasons...
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 18:48:59
livingonli on 03/13/2008 18:48:59
Back to blogging from home again.
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 18:55:01
It's just too bad Auntie Elayne didn't want to do it any more.
livingonli on 03/13/2008 18:55:01
Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli:
Another one pushing for them as a replacement for Auntie Elayne as fill-in. There seems to be a lot of support for them except from Izzy.
I'm actually happy with either one. I like them both for different reasons...
It's just too bad Auntie Elayne didn't want to do it any more.
Comment by starling310 on 03/13/2008 19:09:28
starling310 on 03/13/2008 19:09:28
:: now playing :: Close my eyes forever / Ozzy Osbourne & Lita Ford . . .
I sh*t you not.
:: joe biden :: yes
I sh*t you not.
:: joe biden :: yes
Comment by IzzyBitz on 03/13/2008 19:12:03
IzzyBitz on 03/13/2008 19:12:03
Thanks for setting up the fantasy basketball, Shane-O. May the best dribbler win! 
Comment by IzzyBitz on 03/13/2008 19:19:39
I got the feeling it wasn't her choice. This is based on the response to an email I sent her. It didn't seem like she was too happy about it.
IzzyBitz on 03/13/2008 19:19:39
Quote by livingonli:Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli:
Another one pushing for them as a replacement for Auntie Elayne as fill-in. There seems to be a lot of support for them except from Izzy.
I'm actually happy with either one. I like them both for different reasons...
It's just too bad Auntie Elayne didn't want to do it any more.
I got the feeling it wasn't her choice. This is based on the response to an email I sent her. It didn't seem like she was too happy about it.
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 19:42:42
:rofl: <------- See? It works everytime!
Raine on 03/13/2008 19:42:42
Quote by starling310: :: now playing :: Close my eyes forever / Ozzy Osbourne & Lita Ford . . . I sh*t you not. :: joe biden :: yes
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 19:45:25
Raine on 03/13/2008 19:45:25
Rule numbr ONe: NEVER compare Randi to Ed shultz.
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 19:46:34
Raine on 03/13/2008 19:46:34
:scream: So according to this caller, NOTHING that has happened is Hillary's responsibilty? Outrageuos.
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 19:47:23
It's easier to compare Ed Schultz with Rush.
livingonli on 03/13/2008 19:47:23
Quote by Raine:
Rule numbr ONe: NEVER compare Randi to Ed shultz.
It's easier to compare Ed Schultz with Rush.
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 19:52:27
Raine on 03/13/2008 19:52:27
HEya izzy and Shane-o, did I miss the linky for the bball thang? ( My lack of sleep is really starting to catch up with me... )
)
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 19:54:34
Raine on 03/13/2008 19:54:34
WEll i Just found out that the House went into secret Session for the FISA debate. 
That worries me, alot....
That worries me, alot....
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 19:56:34
That's why I've been a little distracted today - over H.R. 3773.
A lot of info here: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/bills/?billnum=H.R.3773&congress=110&size=full
I thought the House may have grown some, but maybe not...
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 19:56:34
Quote by Raine:
WEll i Just found out that the House went into secret Session for the FISA debate.
That's why I've been a little distracted today - over H.R. 3773.
A lot of info here: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/bills/?billnum=H.R.3773&congress=110&size=full
I thought the House may have grown some, but maybe not...
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 19:58:52
It's OK - the info is down the page - but I'll do a daily reminder. Ya can't pick 'em till late Sunday, early Monday anyway...
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 19:58:52
Quote by Raine:
HEya izzy and Shane-o, did I miss the linky for the bball thang? ( My lack of sleep is really starting to catch up with me...
It's OK - the info is down the page - but I'll do a daily reminder. Ya can't pick 'em till late Sunday, early Monday anyway...
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 20:04:51
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 20:04:51
Also tracking the Carlyle Group thang. Might the Clintons' reticence in releasing tax returns (particularly 2006) have somthing to do with this happening?
Comment by m-hadley on 03/13/2008 20:09:32
Congratulations Velveeta...
I can only begin to imagine the strength that is in you that got you to where you are - congrats again :)
Best,
mfaye
m-hadley on 03/13/2008 20:09:32
Quote by velveeta jones:
Thanks, Shane-O.
BTW, speaking of addictions......... I feel GREAT today. Today is my 13/13. Its the 13th of March and I have, as of today, 13 years clean and sober!! WooHoo!!!!!!!
A doubly great day to spend in the garden! :D
Congratulations Velveeta...
I can only begin to imagine the strength that is in you that got you to where you are - congrats again :)
Best,
mfaye
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 20:10:00
I was JUST stumbling across something like this myself...
Raine on 03/13/2008 20:10:00
Quote by Shane-O: Also tracking the Carlyle Group thang. Might the Clintons' reticence in releasing tax returns (particularly 2006) have somthing to do with this happening?
Comment by Shane-O on 03/13/2008 20:13:11
I'd LOVE to hear (read) what you come up with, Raine!
Shane-O on 03/13/2008 20:13:11
Quote by Raine:I was JUST stumbling across something like this myself...Quote by Shane-O:
Also tracking the Carlyle Group thang. Might the Clintons' reticence in releasing tax returns (particularly 2006) have somthing to do with this happening?
I'd LOVE to hear (read) what you come up with, Raine!
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 20:32:09
I hte when I read something and lose that damn link! (still looking for this thing! HArumph!)
Raine on 03/13/2008 20:32:09
Quote by Shane-O: Also tracking the Carlyle Group thang. Might the Clintons' reticence in releasing tax returns (particularly 2006) have somthing to do with this happening?
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 20:51:46
Raine on 03/13/2008 20:51:46
Shane-O is this possibly part of it?
Did the port ever get sold? I know that that deal had a LOT to do with the CArlyle Group.
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 20:51:55
livingonli on 03/13/2008 20:51:55
Time to go hit the salt mine.
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 20:56:15
Raine on 03/13/2008 20:56:15
OMG. From McCatchey:
U.S. authorities in Baghdad have received five severed fingers belonging to four Americans and an Austrian who were taken hostage more than a year ago in Iraq, officials here said today. The FBI is investigating the grisly development, and the families of the five kidnapped contractors have been notified, American officials said on condition of anonymity because only Washington officials are permitted to publicly discuss the matter. Authorities have confirmed that the fingers belonged to hostages Jonathan Cote, of Gainesville, Fla., Joshua Munz, of Redding, Calif., Paul Reuben, of Buffalo, Minn., Bert Nussbaumer of Vienna, Austria, and Ronald J. Withrow, of Lubbock, Texas. The first four men were security contractors with Kuwait-based Crescent Security and were captured in a brazen ambush of their 43-truck supply convoy in the southern Iraqi town of Safwa, near the Kuwaiti border, on Nov. 16, 2006. There was no word today on a fifth contractor who was seized with them, John Young, of Kansas City. Contrary to Austrian news reports, none of the fingers belonged to him, authorities said. The Crescent contractors appeared in two hostage videos released in December 2006 and January 2007 in which they pleaded for the United States to withdraw troops from Iraq and to free all Iraqi prisoners. In the videos, they appeared in good condition and stated that they were being treated well. [..]
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 21:37:57
This isn't the article that I saw, either.
Raine on 03/13/2008 21:37:57
Quote by Raine: Shane-O is this possibly part of it? Did the port ever get sold? I know that that deal had a LOT to do with the CArlyle Group.
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 21:45:31
The *resident is Wrong on FISA and he knows it.
Raine on 03/13/2008 21:45:31
Comment by Raine on 03/13/2008 22:11:48
Raine on 03/13/2008 22:11:48
Tonite is movie night as casa de Braine. The menu is Beef stroganoff, with a nice green house salad, with home brewed ESB. 
Comment by livingonli on 03/13/2008 22:25:24
livingonli on 03/13/2008 22:25:24
Will this be unintentionally funny? Dana Perino is supposed to be on tonight's Daily Show?
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 01:22:52
What's the movie?
Oh, Hello all. I planted two dogwoods today!
One tall with pink flowers and one standard with white flowers.
velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 01:22:52
Quote by Raine:
Tonite is movie night as casa de Braine. The menu is Beef stroganoff, with a nice green house salad, with home brewed ESB.
What's the movie?
Oh, Hello all. I planted two dogwoods today!
One tall with pink flowers and one standard with white flowers.
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 02:05:34
I love dogwoods! WE watched Idiocracy. And all I can say is...
OH... MY.... GAWD!
Raine on 03/14/2008 02:05:34
Quote by velveeta jones:What's the movie? Oh, Hello all. I planted two dogwoods today!Quote by Raine: Tonite is movie night as casa de Braine. The menu is Beef stroganoff, with a nice green house salad, with home brewed ESB.
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 02:33:03
livingonli on 03/14/2008 02:33:03
The more I hear about it, the more I have to see that movie.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 02:39:45
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 02:39:45
Ya know when I dine out in the 13th gayest zip code in Florida, I don't want riff-raff like cops and morman missionaries ruining the joint! :rofl:
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 02:41:59
Brawndo's got what plants crave!
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 02:41:59
Quote by Raine:I love dogwoods! WE watched Idiocracy. And all I can say is...Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:
Tonite is movie night as casa de Braine. The menu is Beef stroganoff, with a nice green house salad, with home brewed ESB.
What's the movie?
Oh, Hello all. I planted two dogwoods today!
One tall with pink flowers and one standard with white flowers.
OH... MY.... GAWD!
Brawndo's got what plants crave!
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 02:47:25
livingonli on 03/14/2008 02:47:25
Evening Mondo.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/14/2008 02:54:24
jd_in_ny on 03/14/2008 02:54:24
I am so sick of hearing pundits write off prostitution as this minor thing that "millions of men do". It's a "boys will be boys" attitude that pisses me off. Is it the most serious of crimes? Usually not. Is it the least serious? Certainly not. And regardless of whether or not you think it SHOULD be illegal, the fact is that it IS illegal. Shrugging off breaking the law? Not ok.
Comment by MMB on 03/14/2008 03:33:03
MMB on 03/14/2008 03:33:03
jd_in_ny I could not agree any better with you if I tried!!!! It is not a minor thing and it is indeed illegal. No it's not the worst crime and we know there are some more serious things going on in this world. The "boys will be boys" attitude is par for the course. And your right about what we think about it being illegal or not as for now it's a criminal act. For some reason people don't think about many of the things that go along with prostitutes. I am sure the gov's wife was hurting very much thinking about where her husband had been paying to "poke around in" And his kids are feeling pretty low I am sure. But your right we can't shrug off breaking the law. Just because it feels good does not alway's make it the right thing to do PERIOD!!!!! 
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 03:39:01
GOADS?? HARUMPH! You know the drill! :fristy heels: :fainting couch: :vapors:
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 03:39:01
Quote by TriSec:
Shane, you're new at this.
Usually, my "bonus" questions get ignored all day, then Mondo comes in about 10 hours later and goads me into taking the points myself.
GOADS?? HARUMPH! You know the drill! :fristy heels: :fainting couch: :vapors:
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 03:50:30
livingonli on 03/14/2008 03:50:30
Mondo! Speak to me! Say a few syllables!
:smelling salts: :chafes wrists:
:smelling salts: :chafes wrists:
Comment by MMB on 03/14/2008 04:20:58
MMB on 03/14/2008 04:20:58
I found out more than I needed to know about a Sen. from Ohio that died Wed or Thurs, The post rambled on and onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn the name of the blog site shall remain nameless. But something killed it very deaddddddddddd. There are so many interesting people on this one. 
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 05:01:50
livingonli on 03/14/2008 05:01:50
The studio crew on their sixth take of having to redo the first segment of the late show. 