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Ask a Vet
Author: TriSec
Date: 05/15/2012 10:27:10
Good Morning.
Today is our 3,873rd day in Afghanistan.
We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing war, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,968
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,036
We find this morning's Cost of War passing through:
$ 1, 332, 311, 120, 000 .00
On some occasions, the world of sports and war intersect. Today is one of those times. While the NFL was left reeling a week ago with the suicide of Junior Seau, he might be the tip of the iceberg for what is by its nature a violent sport.
War, of course, is the pinnacle of violence in a society. But our warriors are no less at risk than those that hit each other for fun and entertainment. It often receives little coverage, but the data is out for the month of April, and 27 service members took their own lives. This is just one less than the previous month's all-time high of 28, nearly one a day.
While reasons for suicide are often unclear, and may never be learned, there is a common thread among NFL players and apparently soldiers....something called chronic traumatic encephalopathy.
But perhaps there is something that can be done. While PTSD itself has had negative connotations for years (think back to Patton slapping soldiers in Sicily for being "yellow"), since Vietnam the military has worked tirelessly to remove the stigma, with mixed success. Often given short shrift in all of this are the families. Every now and again, there's a call to increase treatment and support on the home front, and once again we see that call.
War is never easy for those directly involved....but is it asking too much that once they get home, the battle should be over? Only by vastly expanding support and treatment programs can we ever truly welcome home everyone.
Today is our 3,873rd day in Afghanistan.
We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing war, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,968
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,036
We find this morning's Cost of War passing through:
On some occasions, the world of sports and war intersect. Today is one of those times. While the NFL was left reeling a week ago with the suicide of Junior Seau, he might be the tip of the iceberg for what is by its nature a violent sport.
War, of course, is the pinnacle of violence in a society. But our warriors are no less at risk than those that hit each other for fun and entertainment. It often receives little coverage, but the data is out for the month of April, and 27 service members took their own lives. This is just one less than the previous month's all-time high of 28, nearly one a day.
While reasons for suicide are often unclear, and may never be learned, there is a common thread among NFL players and apparently soldiers....something called chronic traumatic encephalopathy.
The U.S. Army released its monthly suicide numbers yesterday and the news is once again tragic: 27 soldiers may have taken their lives in April, one less than the 2012 high of 28 in March. Each suicide is its own tragedy, but the fact that the numbers continue to stay high, even as the Army has made fighting this suicide epidemic a top priority, raises many questions. One question is whether there is a physical reason for at least some of these deaths – and what that would mean for treating an epidemic that is hitting service members and veterans hard.
Last week Junior Seau joined a growing list of seemingly healthy retired football players who committed suicide, raising the potential prospect that he suffered from chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CET). CET is a disease that causes degeneration in the brain and can lead to behavioral changes, moodiness, difficulties learning and remembering and sometimes, suicide. The disease is caused by repeated blows to the head – a problem that afflicts not only professional sports players, but also service members fighting in two wars whose signature weapons are explosive devices.
Currently, the only way to diagnose CET is through a brain autopsy, though scientists are searching for ways to diagnose it earlier. So far, only a few veterans have been diagnosed with CET, and only one case has been peer-reviewed for a journal. But Nicholas Kristof recently reported that more studies are in process. Not all soldiers and veterans who commit suicide have deployed, but these initial findings raise the possibility that there is a physical reason for at least some of the suicides in the Army – and even more so among veterans, who have a much higher suicide rate.
Psychiatrists are asking the same question about Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), an invisible injury that in extreme cases can lead to suicide. The American Psychiatric Association (APA) met this week to debate and revise its diagnostic guide that serves as the primary tool for recognizing and treating mental health issues. One of the big debates at this year’s meeting was what to do about PTSD. The military was lobbying for it to be changed to Post-Traumatic Stress or “PTS” - no “D” for Disorder - to destigmatize the diagnosis among service members. Others suggested that what troops suffer is often different because its cause is different; there is an external influence on troops that essentially causes injury, one that changes the brain. The APA may end up with a compromise of Post-Traumatic Stress Injury (PTSI), to acknowledge this distinction, though such hasn’t yet been finalized.
Invisible injuries are the most common wounds of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. As the APA sets out to potentially redefine PTSD, it is possible that yet another wound is going unseen among our service members and veterans – a physical injury to the brain that may be playing a role in the military and veteran suicide epidemic. Just as PTSI might need to be treated differently if it has a physical component, we may need to rethink our approach to fighting the suicide epidemic to take into account the impact of CET, a physical injury that we cannot yet diagnose before death.
But perhaps there is something that can be done. While PTSD itself has had negative connotations for years (think back to Patton slapping soldiers in Sicily for being "yellow"), since Vietnam the military has worked tirelessly to remove the stigma, with mixed success. Often given short shrift in all of this are the families. Every now and again, there's a call to increase treatment and support on the home front, and once again we see that call.
WASHINGTON — Spouses of veterans suffering mental health war wounds know the stresses those illnesses can bring to the entire family. Now, a new study from Syracuse’s Institute for Veterans and Military Families suggests that treating that “secondary traumatization” can be an important step in helping cure the veterans’ issues.
The study, released Friday, notes that research on those family issues so far have “largely focused on improving relationships and reducing veterans’ symptoms, rather than targeting improvements in the psychological well-being of the spouse and children.”
But researchers said reducing the burden on caregivers and dependents, and helping them address their own stresses and trauma, can lead to more positive treatment outcomes for veterans. “The practical implications of this paper include the need for further collaboration among institutions and social organizations serving veterans to expand services to the families as well,” the report states.
The report also suggests broadening Veterans Affairs programs for families, although researchers acknowledge that the department is already overwhelmed with its caseload of veterans.
“Although the family relationships with the veteran would not be the primary focus in such programming, the direct benefit to the veteran of improving family life and supports would be substantial,” the study states.
War is never easy for those directly involved....but is it asking too much that once they get home, the battle should be over? Only by vastly expanding support and treatment programs can we ever truly welcome home everyone.
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Comment by 
Scoopster on 05/15/2012 12:51:58
Scoopster on 05/15/2012 12:51:58
First! 
So I was pricing out Yankees tickets today and the cheapest ones I could find were WAAAY in the upper deck in right field.. for 30 bux each.
So I was pricing out Yankees tickets today and the cheapest ones I could find were WAAAY in the upper deck in right field.. for 30 bux each.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 12:55:32
Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 12:55:32
Dear AP Binghampton is not by any stretch of the imagination "Upstate New York" that is the Lower Tier. As for the yougurt, no comment.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 05/15/2012 13:37:26
wickedpam on 05/15/2012 13:37:26
Morning 
2 1/2 hours in traffic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and 1 1/2 of that just sitting on f-ing VAN DORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
2 1/2 hours in traffic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and 1 1/2 of that just sitting on f-ing VAN DORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Scoopster on 05/15/2012 14:09:10
Scoopster on 05/15/2012 14:09:10
So did you hear the latest about hyper-conservative asshole Curt Schilling's company?
He has the nerve to push the austerity garbage and claims he's against handouts, meanwhile his company took a giant loan from the state of RI and his company's shitting the bed, leaving the taxpayers on the hook.
He has the nerve to push the austerity garbage and claims he's against handouts, meanwhile his company took a giant loan from the state of RI and his company's shitting the bed, leaving the taxpayers on the hook.
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 14:13:41
Been there, done that. 
Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 14:13:41
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
2 1/2 hours in traffic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and 1 1/2 of that just sitting on f-ing VAN DORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Been there, done that.
Comment by 
Raine on 05/15/2012 14:16:16
Good Morning!!
Raine on 05/15/2012 14:16:16
Good Morning!!
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2012 14:22:11
It's actually part of the Southern Tier of the State.
And that is a nasty thing to spill.
Raine on 05/15/2012 14:22:11
Quote by Mondobubba:
Dear AP Binghampton is not by any stretch of the imagination "Upstate New York" that is the Lower Tier. As for the yougurt, no comment.
And that is a nasty thing to spill.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2012 14:23:52
the Rain? Accident?
Raine on 05/15/2012 14:23:52
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
2 1/2 hours in traffic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and 1 1/2 of that just sitting on f-ing VAN DORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2012 14:25:13
Batah batah hypocrite!
Raine on 05/15/2012 14:25:13
Quote by Scoopster:
So did you hear the latest about hyper-conservative asshole Curt Schilling's company?
He has the nerve to push the austerity garbage and claims he's against handouts, meanwhile his company took a giant loan from the state of RI and his company's shitting the bed, leaving the taxpayers on the hook.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/15/2012 14:25:32
oh, and....AND people coming down that no drive lane where Van Dorn splits to cut off others. Mom and I got into a fight with a cab driver and his wife when he tried to do that to me at that the light.
Mom: No!
Taxi Wife: No?
Mom: NO
Me: No, you can't cut me off
Taxi Driver: why
Me: Cause you doing an illegal move and your going to kill someone. AND I've been waiting to get past this light for almost 2 hours.
He cut off a Metro van instead. I got the company name and the license plate and reported them to the DC Taxi Commission. I'm so tried of the bad behavior of these cab drivers around here
wickedpam on 05/15/2012 14:25:32
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
2 1/2 hours in traffic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and 1 1/2 of that just sitting on f-ing VAN DORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh, and....AND people coming down that no drive lane where Van Dorn splits to cut off others. Mom and I got into a fight with a cab driver and his wife when he tried to do that to me at that the light.
Mom: No!
Taxi Wife: No?
Mom: NO
Me: No, you can't cut me off
Taxi Driver: why
Me: Cause you doing an illegal move and your going to kill someone. AND I've been waiting to get past this light for almost 2 hours.
He cut off a Metro van instead. I got the company name and the license plate and reported them to the DC Taxi Commission. I'm so tried of the bad behavior of these cab drivers around here
Comment by wickedpam on 05/15/2012 14:31:09
supposedly an accident on Duke that caused Van Dorn to it to get re-routed to Holmgrin
wickedpam on 05/15/2012 14:31:09
Quote by Raine:the Rain? Accident?Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
2 1/2 hours in traffic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and 1 1/2 of that just sitting on f-ing VAN DORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
supposedly an accident on Duke that caused Van Dorn to it to get re-routed to Holmgrin
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 14:37:03
You know what I meant.
Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 14:37:03
Quote by Raine:It's actually part of the Southern Tier of the State.Quote by Mondobubba:
Dear AP Binghampton is not by any stretch of the imagination "Upstate New York" that is the Lower Tier. As for the yougurt, no comment.
And that is a nasty thing to spill.
You know what I meant.
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 14:38:18
It begs the question, how do you clean up a yogurt spill?
Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 14:38:18
Quote by Raine:It's actually part of the Southern Tier of the State.Quote by Mondobubba:
Dear AP Binghampton is not by any stretch of the imagination "Upstate New York" that is the Lower Tier. As for the yougurt, no comment.
And that is a nasty thing to spill.
It begs the question, how do you clean up a yogurt spill?
Comment by 
BobR on 05/15/2012 14:42:44
Call the Kardashians!
BobR on 05/15/2012 14:42:44
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:It's actually part of the Southern Tier of the State.Quote by Mondobubba:
Dear AP Binghampton is not by any stretch of the imagination "Upstate New York" that is the Lower Tier. As for the yougurt, no comment.
And that is a nasty thing to spill.
It begs the question, how do you clean up a yogurt spill?
Call the Kardashians!
Comment by BobR on 05/15/2012 14:46:29
Where is Holmgrin? I haven't seen that road before
BobR on 05/15/2012 14:46:29
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:the Rain? Accident?Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
2 1/2 hours in traffic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and 1 1/2 of that just sitting on f-ing VAN DORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
supposedly an accident on Duke that caused Van Dorn to it to get re-routed to Holmgrin
Where is Holmgrin? I haven't seen that road before
Comment by wickedpam on 05/15/2012 14:50:02
I probably spelled it wrong or merged two things together, I have no clue where it is either - around Duke and Van Dorn somewhere I'm guessing
wickedpam on 05/15/2012 14:50:02
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:the Rain? Accident?Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
2 1/2 hours in traffic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and 1 1/2 of that just sitting on f-ing VAN DORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
supposedly an accident on Duke that caused Van Dorn to it to get re-routed to Holmgrin
I probably spelled it wrong or merged two things together, I have no clue where it is either - around Duke and Van Dorn somewhere I'm guessing
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 14:55:48
The image of the big assed Kardashian sisters down on hands and knees, hoovering up yogurt is just...well hilarious!
Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 14:55:48
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:It's actually part of the Southern Tier of the State.Quote by Mondobubba:
Dear AP Binghampton is not by any stretch of the imagination "Upstate New York" that is the Lower Tier. As for the yougurt, no comment.
And that is a nasty thing to spill.
It begs the question, how do you clean up a yogurt spill?
Call the Kardashians!
The image of the big assed Kardashian sisters down on hands and knees, hoovering up yogurt is just...well hilarious!
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 14:58:59
I weap and rend my clothes.
Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 14:58:59
Quote by Raine:
Americans Elect appears to have folded. I say fine with me.
I weap and rend my clothes.
Comment by BobR on 05/15/2012 15:39:59
Holmes Run?
BobR on 05/15/2012 15:39:59
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:the Rain? Accident?Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
2 1/2 hours in traffic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and 1 1/2 of that just sitting on f-ing VAN DORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
supposedly an accident on Duke that caused Van Dorn to it to get re-routed to Holmgrin
I probably spelled it wrong or merged two things together, I have no clue where it is either - around Duke and Van Dorn somewhere I'm guessing
Holmes Run?
Comment by wickedpam on 05/15/2012 15:41:01
That's probably it!
wickedpam on 05/15/2012 15:41:01
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:the Rain? Accident?Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
2 1/2 hours in traffic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and 1 1/2 of that just sitting on f-ing VAN DORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
supposedly an accident on Duke that caused Van Dorn to it to get re-routed to Holmgrin
I probably spelled it wrong or merged two things together, I have no clue where it is either - around Duke and Van Dorn somewhere I'm guessing
Holmes Run?
That's probably it!
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2012 16:50:55
Raine on 05/15/2012 16:50:55
i am making a huge pot of marinara. It smells amazing already!
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 17:27:30
I first read that as I am making a huge pot of marijuana.
My bad. Marinara not marijuana!
Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 17:27:30
Quote by Raine:
i am making a huge pot of marinara. It smells amazing already!
I first read that as I am making a huge pot of marijuana. My bad. Marinara not marijuana!
Comment by 
livingonli on 05/15/2012 17:35:36
livingonli on 05/15/2012 17:35:36
Good day, folks. Just a note that in NYC I believe most people consider anything north of Westchester and Rockland counties "Upstate New York". Although a New York travel guide does have distinctions of the regions of New York state which seem to surround each metropolitan area (even Watertown which is a small city).
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2012 18:08:00
HA!
Raine on 05/15/2012 18:08:00
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
i am making a huge pot of marinara. It smells amazing already!
My bad. Marinara not marijuana!
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 18:15:28
That might be my best misreading of the day.
Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 18:15:28
Quote by Raine:HA!Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
i am making a huge pot of marinara. It smells amazing already!
My bad. Marinara not marijuana!
That might be my best misreading of the day.
Comment by Scoopster on 05/15/2012 18:48:46
Scoopster on 05/15/2012 18:48:46
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
i am making a huge pot of marinara. It smells amazing already!
My bad. Marinara not marijuana!
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 19:01:56
Scoop, I was waiting for you to chime in!
Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 19:01:56
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
i am making a huge pot of marinara. It smells amazing already!
My bad. Marinara not marijuana!
Scoop, I was waiting for you to chime in!
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2012 19:04:32
I bet that would make the sauce kinda awesome...
Raine on 05/15/2012 19:04:32
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
i am making a huge pot of marinara. It smells amazing already!
My bad. Marinara not marijuana!
I bet that would make the sauce kinda awesome...
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2012 19:05:14
Raine on 05/15/2012 19:05:14
So WTH? Humans Rights Campaign offices were evacuated today in DC due to a BOMB THREAT?
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2012 19:07:42
Raine on 05/15/2012 19:07:42
WAIT until you here what WTOP is reporting about this.
4 LGBT agencies were evacuated this afternoon.
4 LGBT agencies were evacuated this afternoon.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2012 19:13:27
here is what is being reported from MetroWeekly.
Raine on 05/15/2012 19:13:27
Quote by Raine:
WAIT until you here what WTOP is reporting about this.
4 LGBT agencies were evacuated this afternoon.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2012 19:18:50
Raine on 05/15/2012 19:18:50
Holy crap. Mala, can you fill me in on the first 15 minutes of Randi?
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 19:30:49
Watch Zombie Ayn Rand eat Rachel Maddow's brains!
Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 19:30:49
Watch Zombie Ayn Rand eat Rachel Maddow's brains!
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 19:41:22
WTH, man? Really? RWNJs
Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 19:41:22
Quote by Raine:here is what is being reported from MetroWeekly.Quote by Raine:
WAIT until you here what WTOP is reporting about this.
4 LGBT agencies were evacuated this afternoon.
WTH, man? Really? RWNJs
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 19:44:14
If nuttin else we would eat a lot of it!
Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 19:44:14
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
i am making a huge pot of marinara. It smells amazing already!
My bad. Marinara not marijuana!
If nuttin else we would eat a lot of it!
Comment by wickedpam on 05/15/2012 19:45:56
not listening today - have Thom on for a change - what she do?
wickedpam on 05/15/2012 19:45:56
Quote by Raine:
Holy crap. Mala, can you fill me in on the first 15 minutes of Randi?
not listening today - have Thom on for a change - what she do?
Comment by wickedpam on 05/15/2012 19:46:45
switching over now
wickedpam on 05/15/2012 19:46:45
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Holy crap. Mala, can you fill me in on the first 15 minutes of Randi?
not listening today - have Thom on for a change - what she do?
switching over now
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2012 19:55:13
I was tryingto figure out if she was talking aboutTHE howard or Howard stern -- It was the latter. evidently the season premier of 'America's got Talent' moved her.
Raine on 05/15/2012 19:55:13
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Holy crap. Mala, can you fill me in on the first 15 minutes of Randi?
not listening today - have Thom on for a change - what she do?
switching over now
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2012 19:56:08
Raine on 05/15/2012 19:56:08
Oh wait -- NEVER mind -- she is back with the Howard??
Comment by wickedpam on 05/15/2012 19:56:25
oh dear - didn't even know it was on - think I was watching Bones or American Pickers or something more worth while
wickedpam on 05/15/2012 19:56:25
Quote by Raine:I was tryingto figure out if she was talking aboutTHE howard or Howard stern -- It was the latter. evidently the season premier of 'America's got Talent' moved her.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Holy crap. Mala, can you fill me in on the first 15 minutes of Randi?
not listening today - have Thom on for a change - what she do?
switching over now
oh dear - didn't even know it was on - think I was watching Bones or American Pickers or something more worth while
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2012 19:57:36
Raine on 05/15/2012 19:57:36
and something about Jess and Jeff Goldblum.
Comment by livingonli on 05/15/2012 20:01:17
livingonli on 05/15/2012 20:01:17
What I miss while I am in the shower.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/15/2012 20:05:19
I think Jess is her new puppy, I have no idea why she was talking about Jeff Goldblum.
wickedpam on 05/15/2012 20:05:19
Quote by Raine:
and something about Jess and Jeff Goldblum.
I think Jess is her new puppy, I have no idea why she was talking about Jeff Goldblum.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2012 20:12:07
Alan is her new puppy. (not so new... ) and Jess is her daughter/niece.
Raine on 05/15/2012 20:12:07
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
and something about Jess and Jeff Goldblum.
I think Jess is her new puppy, I have no idea why she was talking about Jeff Goldblum.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/15/2012 20:15:41
oops I was confused - only scanned my FB newsfeed
wickedpam on 05/15/2012 20:15:41
Quote by Raine:Alan is her new puppy. (not so new... ) and Jess is her daughter/niece.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
and something about Jess and Jeff Goldblum.
I think Jess is her new puppy, I have no idea why she was talking about Jeff Goldblum.
oops I was confused - only scanned my FB newsfeed
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 20:20:12
Stern has a gig as a judge on America's Talent this year. I'm not sure what his special skills in judging talent are exactly? Pole dancing? Porn stars riding a Sybian?
Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 20:20:12
Quote by Raine:I was tryingto figure out if she was talking aboutTHE howard or Howard stern -- It was the latter. evidently the season premier of 'America's got Talent' moved her.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Holy crap. Mala, can you fill me in on the first 15 minutes of Randi?
not listening today - have Thom on for a change - what she do?
switching over now
Stern has a gig as a judge on America's Talent this year. I'm not sure what his special skills in judging talent are exactly? Pole dancing? Porn stars riding a Sybian?
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2012 20:24:26
I came into a riff where she was actually talking about her Howard.
... and then she segued into Howard Stern. I really wish I had heard the whole thing.
Raine on 05/15/2012 20:24:26
Quote by Mondobubba:
Stern has a gig as a judge on America's Talent this year. I'm not sure what his special skills in judging talent are exactly? Pole dancing? Porn stars riding a Sybian?
I came into a riff where she was actually talking about her Howard.
... and then she segued into Howard Stern. I really wish I had heard the whole thing.
Comment by livingonli on 05/15/2012 20:28:50
I actually think those things would get me to watch.
livingonli on 05/15/2012 20:28:50
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Stern has a gig as a judge on America's Talent this year. I'm not sure what his special skills in judging talent are exactly? Pole dancing? Porn stars riding a Sybian?
I came into a riff where she was actually talking about her Howard.
... and then she segued into Howard Stern. I really wish I had heard the whole thing.
I actually think those things would get me to watch.
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 20:35:51
Confusing! Unless of course she is calling Stern, just Stern.
Mondobubba on 05/15/2012 20:35:51
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Stern has a gig as a judge on America's Talent this year. I'm not sure what his special skills in judging talent are exactly? Pole dancing? Porn stars riding a Sybian?
I came into a riff where she was actually talking about her Howard.
... and then she segued into Howard Stern. I really wish I had heard the whole thing.
Confusing! Unless of course she is calling Stern, just Stern.