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Fast and Furious with the Facts
Author: BobR
Date: 06/28/2012 13:19:12
Before today's SCOTUS decision on the ACA comes down and obliterates every other ongoing news story, it's probably a good time to take a look at the fake Fast and Furious scandal that the Republicans are attempting to use to smear the Obama administration. Poor Darrell Issa - gamely trying to sell his snake oil while the 3 ring circus is setting up its tents.
The so-called scandal is perhaps not so oddly similar to the Clinton witch hunt that started in Arkansas, and ended up on a blue dress. It seems they are on a fishing expedition and latching on to the administration's refusal to turn over documents of an ongoing investigation as proof that there is something to hide, despite the evidence that the original reason for the investigation has shown that there is no "there" there.
That is brought to light in amazing detail by a recent investigative report by (of all places) Fortune magazine. The article is VERY long but also very thorough. The crux of it is that the ATF did not sell weapons - they monitored weapons sales, and then ran up against a brick wall of lax gun laws when they tried to get indictments. There was also infighting and backstabbing going on among the agents. Here are some choice snippets:
The big raison d'être for the start of the congressional investigation was the killing of a U.S. agent by guns supposedly sold by ATF agents to Mexican drug gangs. Except - that didn't actually happen:
This whole "scandal" was cooked up by one of the agents (Dodson) who was actually the only one who ever posed undercover and sold any weapons to drug runners:
The big irony in all of this was pointed out by Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ):
The idea that ATF agents were directly involved in the transactions, however, is shown by this quote from the above-referenced Lautenberg article:
As we now know, this bit of common knowledge is in fact false.
The lax gun laws that are pushed by Republicans and the NRA are the reason that these guns fall into the wrong hands and ultimately why Fast and Furious failed. Meanwhile here in the U.S., NRA-sponsored laws like the Stand Your Ground laws in FL and elsewhere are responsible for an uptick in killings.
This is a perfect example of reaping what you sow, as well as Republicans deliberately allowing facts to be distorted and lies told in the media (and in this case - people to die) so long as it helps their agenda of making Obama a one-term president. I can guarantee that if President Obama is re-elected, they will be looking for excuses to impeach, just like they did with Clinton.
Fast and Furious indeed.
The so-called scandal is perhaps not so oddly similar to the Clinton witch hunt that started in Arkansas, and ended up on a blue dress. It seems they are on a fishing expedition and latching on to the administration's refusal to turn over documents of an ongoing investigation as proof that there is something to hide, despite the evidence that the original reason for the investigation has shown that there is no "there" there.
That is brought to light in amazing detail by a recent investigative report by (of all places) Fortune magazine. The article is VERY long but also very thorough. The crux of it is that the ATF did not sell weapons - they monitored weapons sales, and then ran up against a brick wall of lax gun laws when they tried to get indictments. There was also infighting and backstabbing going on among the agents. Here are some choice snippets:
Customers can legally buy as many weapons as they want in Arizona as long as they're 18 or older and pass a criminal background check. There are no waiting periods and no need for permits, and buyers are allowed to resell the guns. "In Arizona," says Voth, "someone buying three guns is like someone buying a sandwich."
[...]
Their greatest difficulty by far, however, was convincing prosecutors that they had sufficient grounds to seize guns and arrest straw purchasers. By June 2010 the agents had sent the U.S. Attorney's office a list of 31 suspects they wanted to arrest, with 46 pages outlining their illegal acts. But for the next seven months prosecutors did not indict a single suspect.
[...]
Quite simply, there's a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.
[...]
Irony abounds when it comes to the Fast and Furious scandal. But the ultimate irony is this: Republicans who support the National Rifle Association and its attempts to weaken gun laws are lambasting ATF agents for not seizing enough weapons—ones that, in this case, prosecutors deemed to be legal.
The big raison d'être for the start of the congressional investigation was the killing of a U.S. agent by guns supposedly sold by ATF agents to Mexican drug gangs. Except - that didn't actually happen:
Ten days after the meeting with Hurley, a Saturday, Jaime Avila, a transient, admitted methamphetamine user, bought three WASR-10 rifles at the Lone Wolf Trading Company in Glendale, Ariz. The next day, a helpful Lone Wolf employee faxed Avila's purchase form to ATF to flag the suspicious activity. It was the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday weekend, so the agents didn't receive the fax until Tuesday, according to a contemporaneous case report. By that time, the legally purchased guns had been gone for three days. The agents had never seen the weapons and had no chance to seize them. But they entered the serial numbers into their gun database. Two of these were later recovered at Brian Terry's murder scene.
This whole "scandal" was cooked up by one of the agents (Dodson) who was actually the only one who ever posed undercover and sold any weapons to drug runners:
On June 1, Dodson used $2,500 in ATF funds to purchase six AK Draco pistols from local gun dealers, and gave these to Fernandez, who reimbursed him and gave him $700 for his efforts. Two days later, according to case records, Dodson—who would later testify that in his previous experience, "if even one [gun] got away from us, nobody went home until we found it"—left on a scheduled vacation without interdicting the guns.
The big irony in all of this was pointed out by Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ):
"The gun lobby is guiding the hand of the House Republicans, and it's never been more clear than with this contempt vote," he said in a statement. "It is preposterous for the NRA to suddenly show concern over guns falling into the wrong hands when for decades they have fought countless proposals to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and even terrorists..."
The idea that ATF agents were directly involved in the transactions, however, is shown by this quote from the above-referenced Lautenberg article:
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ (ATF) sold thousands of assault rifles and revolvers to traffickers suspected of being linked to Mexican drug cartels.
As we now know, this bit of common knowledge is in fact false.
The lax gun laws that are pushed by Republicans and the NRA are the reason that these guns fall into the wrong hands and ultimately why Fast and Furious failed. Meanwhile here in the U.S., NRA-sponsored laws like the Stand Your Ground laws in FL and elsewhere are responsible for an uptick in killings.
This is a perfect example of reaping what you sow, as well as Republicans deliberately allowing facts to be distorted and lies told in the media (and in this case - people to die) so long as it helps their agenda of making Obama a one-term president. I can guarantee that if President Obama is re-elected, they will be looking for excuses to impeach, just like they did with Clinton.
Fast and Furious indeed.
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 06/28/2012 13:25:40
wickedpam on 06/28/2012 13:25:40
Morning 
Any new word on Tri?
Any new word on Tri?
Comment by 
BobR on 06/28/2012 13:29:32
BobR on 06/28/2012 13:29:32
NOTE: I just added to the blog this quote from the Lautenberg article:
This shows how wrong the media is about all of this.
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ (ATF) sold thousands of assault rifles and revolvers to traffickers suspected of being linked to Mexican drug cartels.
This shows how wrong the media is about all of this.
Comment by BobR on 06/28/2012 13:30:52
I talked to Mrs. TriSec last night - they are doing a biopsy on the mass removed from his colon, but won't know anything for a few more days. He will be recovering in the hospital through the weekend.
BobR on 06/28/2012 13:30:52
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
Any new word on Tri?
I talked to Mrs. TriSec last night - they are doing a biopsy on the mass removed from his colon, but won't know anything for a few more days. He will be recovering in the hospital through the weekend.
Comment by 
Raine on 06/28/2012 13:36:23
Anyone who believes the mess the GOP is making of this should read this entire blog entry. I am going to print it out and carry it with me.
Raine on 06/28/2012 13:36:23
Quote by BobR:
NOTE: I just added to the blog this quote from the Lautenberg article:The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ (ATF) sold thousands of assault rifles and revolvers to traffickers suspected of being linked to Mexican drug cartels.
This shows how wrong the media is about all of this.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/28/2012 13:39:40
Do they need anything?
wickedpam on 06/28/2012 13:39:40
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
Any new word on Tri?
I talked to Mrs. TriSec last night - they are doing a biopsy on the mass removed from his colon, but won't know anything for a few more days. He will be recovering in the hospital through the weekend.
Do they need anything?
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 13:40:16
Me, I am going to refer them to that bastion of raving leftwingers, "Fortune."
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 13:40:16
Quote by Raine:Anyone who believes the mess the GOP is making of this should read this entire blog entry. I am going to print it out and carry it with me.Quote by BobR:
NOTE: I just added to the blog this quote from the Lautenberg article:The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ (ATF) sold thousands of assault rifles and revolvers to traffickers suspected of being linked to Mexican drug cartels.
This shows how wrong the media is about all of this.
Me, I am going to refer them to that bastion of raving leftwingers, "Fortune."
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 13:40:56
Good vibes. Positivity. Our love and support.
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 13:40:56
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
Any new word on Tri?
I talked to Mrs. TriSec last night - they are doing a biopsy on the mass removed from his colon, but won't know anything for a few more days. He will be recovering in the hospital through the weekend.
Do they need anything?
Good vibes. Positivity. Our love and support.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/28/2012 13:43:22
Already sending
wickedpam on 06/28/2012 13:43:22
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
Any new word on Tri?
I talked to Mrs. TriSec last night - they are doing a biopsy on the mass removed from his colon, but won't know anything for a few more days. He will be recovering in the hospital through the weekend.
Do they need anything?
Good vibes. Positivity. Our love and support.
Already sending
Comment by Raine on 06/28/2012 14:01:02
Raine on 06/28/2012 14:01:02
BTW, the SCOTUS Live Blog
It is going to be interesting at work today, no question. Shane-O Is at the SCOTUS as we speak.
It is going to be interesting at work today, no question. Shane-O Is at the SCOTUS as we speak.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/28/2012 14:01:58
I have that falling elevator feeling.....
wickedpam on 06/28/2012 14:01:58
Quote by Raine:
BTW, the SCOTUS Live Blog
It is going to be interesting at work today, no question. Shane-O Is at the SCOTUS as we speak.
I have that falling elevator feeling.....
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:07:39
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:07:39
I am wishing the best for TriSec and his family this morning.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/28/2012 14:09:06
wickedpam on 06/28/2012 14:09:06
Doesn't Mass have the Indy Mandate? Guess that strikes it down too
Comment by Raine on 06/28/2012 14:10:26
Raine on 06/28/2012 14:10:26
Individual MAndate gone.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:10:46
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:10:46
SCOTUS Blog: The individual mandate survives as a tax.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/28/2012 14:11:46
wickedpam on 06/28/2012 14:11:46
what? I'm confused
Comment by Raine on 06/28/2012 14:12:06
Raine on 06/28/2012 14:12:06
SCOTUS Blog says it survived, so now I am confused.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:13:05
Scotus blog: So the mandate is constitutional. Chief Justice Roberts joins the left of the Court.
Amy Howe:
The Medicaid provision is limited but not invalidated.
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:13:05
Scotus blog: So the mandate is constitutional. Chief Justice Roberts joins the left of the Court.
Amy Howe:
The Medicaid provision is limited but not invalidated.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:13:36
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:13:36
Scotus blog:
Tom:
The bottom line: the entire ACA is upheld, with the exception that the federal government's power to terminate states' Medicaid funds is narrowly read.
Tom:
The bottom line: the entire ACA is upheld, with the exception that the federal government's power to terminate states' Medicaid funds is narrowly read.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 06/28/2012 14:14:06
Scoopster on 06/28/2012 14:14:06
Mornin' all..
The decision on the ACA just came in and while it's very complicated, the quick summary is "...the entire ACA is upheld, with the exception that the federal government's power to terminate states' Medicaid funds is narrowly read."
The decision on the ACA just came in and while it's very complicated, the quick summary is "...the entire ACA is upheld, with the exception that the federal government's power to terminate states' Medicaid funds is narrowly read."
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 14:16:28
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 14:16:28
SUCK IT RIGHT WING DOUCHEBAGS!
Comment by Raine on 06/28/2012 14:17:26
Raine on 06/28/2012 14:17:26
CNN got it ALL wrong. It's ALL upheld!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by wickedpam on 06/28/2012 14:18:44
wickedpam on 06/28/2012 14:18:44
YA! 
<-- Happy Dance!
<-- Happy Dance!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:19:17
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:19:17
SCOTUS BLOG:
10:15
Tom:
Chief Justice Roberts' vote saved the ACA.
10:18
Amy Howe:
The money quote from the section on the mandate: Our precedent demonstrates that Congress had the power to impose the exaction in Section 5000A under the taxing power, and that Section 5000A need not be read to do more than impose a tax. This is sufficient to sustain it.
10:15
Tom:
Chief Justice Roberts' vote saved the ACA.
10:18
Amy Howe:
The money quote from the section on the mandate: Our precedent demonstrates that Congress had the power to impose the exaction in Section 5000A under the taxing power, and that Section 5000A need not be read to do more than impose a tax. This is sufficient to sustain it.
Comment by Raine on 06/28/2012 14:20:36
I am SO HAPPY!
Take a look at the confusion:
Raine on 06/28/2012 14:20:36
Quote by Will in Chicago:
SCOTUS BLOG:
10:15
Tom:
Chief Justice Roberts' vote saved the ACA.
10:18
Amy Howe:
The money quote from the section on the mandate: Our precedent demonstrates that Congress had the power to impose the exaction in Section 5000A under the taxing power, and that Section 5000A need not be read to do more than impose a tax. This is sufficient to sustain it.
Take a look at the confusion:
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:23:45
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:23:45
THE Affordable Care Act is upheld.
What we will likely see are states like California and Vermont looking at alternatives to the new system, such as single payer. In the long run, we may move towards single payer as Canada did when the provinces adopted their own plans.
What we will likely see are states like California and Vermont looking at alternatives to the new system, such as single payer. In the long run, we may move towards single payer as Canada did when the provinces adopted their own plans.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:26:34
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:26:34
More Scotus Blog:
10:24
Amy Howe:
Another way to think about Medicaid: the Constitution requires that states have a choice about whether to participate in the expansion of eligibility; if they decide not to, they can continue to receive funds for the rest of the program.
10:24
Tom:
Apologies - you can't refuse to pay the tax; typo. The only effect of not complying with the mandate is that you pay the tax.
10:25
Amy Howe:
The Court holds that the mandate violates the Commerce Clause, but that doesn't matter b/c there are five votes for the mandate to be constitutional under the taxing power.
10:24
Amy Howe:
Another way to think about Medicaid: the Constitution requires that states have a choice about whether to participate in the expansion of eligibility; if they decide not to, they can continue to receive funds for the rest of the program.
10:24
Tom:
Apologies - you can't refuse to pay the tax; typo. The only effect of not complying with the mandate is that you pay the tax.
10:25
Amy Howe:
The Court holds that the mandate violates the Commerce Clause, but that doesn't matter b/c there are five votes for the mandate to be constitutional under the taxing power.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 14:27:04
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 14:27:04
Hey Gov. Scott, suck it you creatinous, used douche wad! You failed. Hey Pam Bondi suck it too.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:28:00
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:28:00
More Scotus Blog:
10:26
Amy Howe:
The Court holds that the Anti-Injunction Act doesn't apply because the label "tax" is not controlling.
10:26
Lyle:
Justice Ginsburg makes clear that the vote is 5-4 on sustaining the mandate as a form of tax. Her opinion, for herself and Sotomayor, Breyer and Kagan, joins the key section of Roberts opinion on that point. She would go further and uphold the mandate under the Commerce Clause, which Roberts wouldn't. Her opinion on Commerce does not control. ;
Kennedy is one of the dissenters.
10:26
Amy Howe:
The Court holds that the Anti-Injunction Act doesn't apply because the label "tax" is not controlling.
10:26
Lyle:
Justice Ginsburg makes clear that the vote is 5-4 on sustaining the mandate as a form of tax. Her opinion, for herself and Sotomayor, Breyer and Kagan, joins the key section of Roberts opinion on that point. She would go further and uphold the mandate under the Commerce Clause, which Roberts wouldn't. Her opinion on Commerce does not control. ;
Kennedy is one of the dissenters.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:28:53
I have an idea what both of them can suck, but I imagine that Godzilla would have better taste in lovers.
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:28:53
Quote by Mondobubba:
Hey Gov. Scott, suck it you creatinous, used douche wad! You failed. Hey Pam Bondi suck it too.
I have an idea what both of them can suck, but I imagine that Godzilla would have better taste in lovers.
Comment by Raine on 06/28/2012 14:30:32
That surprises me... but whatever. ACA is upheld!
Raine on 06/28/2012 14:30:32
Quote by Will in Chicago:
More Scotus Blog:
10:26
Amy Howe:
The Court holds that the Anti-Injunction Act doesn't apply because the label "tax" is not controlling.
10:26
Lyle:
Justice Ginsburg makes clear that the vote is 5-4 on sustaining the mandate as a form of tax. Her opinion, for herself and Sotomayor, Breyer and Kagan, joins the key section of Roberts opinion on that point. She would go further and uphold the mandate under the Commerce Clause, which Roberts wouldn't. Her opinion on Commerce does not control. ;
Kennedy is one of the dissenters.
Comment by 
clintster on 06/28/2012 14:30:45
clintster on 06/28/2012 14:30:45
Wow! This is a pretty good day so far. As far as CNN's jumping of the gun, I smell a Keyboard Cat coming soon.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 14:31:18
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 14:31:18
WARNING! I am about to be really gross!
The COOCH can suck the jizz out of used condom. FAIL! HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Gloaty McGloaterson, OUT!
The COOCH can suck the jizz out of used condom. FAIL! HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Gloaty McGloaterson, OUT!
Comment by BobR on 06/28/2012 14:32:16
BobR on 06/28/2012 14:32:16
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:34:17
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:34:17
Scotus Blog :
:32
Amy Howe:
In Plain English: The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.
Comment by Scoopster on 06/28/2012 14:34:20
This is a really great day guys..
Scoopster on 06/28/2012 14:34:20
This is a really great day guys..
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:35:37
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:35:37
More Scotus Blog:
10:33
Tom:
We're checking on whether the Court is still reading.
10:34
Amy Howe:
Yes, to answer a common question, the whole ACA is constitutional, so the provision requiring insurers to cover young adults until they are 26 survives as well.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:37:01
Victory tastes sweet. Okay, enjoy it and let us move forward!
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 14:37:01
Quote by Scoopster:
Victory tastes sweet. Okay, enjoy it and let us move forward!
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 14:39:42
Yeah agreed. As Craig Ferguson would say, "It's a great day for America!"
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 14:39:42
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Scoopster:
Victory tastes sweet. Okay, enjoy it and let us move forward!
Yeah agreed. As Craig Ferguson would say, "It's a great day for America!"
Comment by Raine on 06/28/2012 14:49:46
Raine on 06/28/2012 14:49:46
Quote by Scoopster:
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 14:57:29
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 14:57:29
On to other topics, if you are interested, Tri is a Auburn Medical Center ( I think). A flurry of cards from 4Fers is in order.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/28/2012 14:59:52
wickedpam on 06/28/2012 14:59:52
Looks like no DC Sexy Liberal show - they are going to NY in October - just announced on FB
Comment by Raine on 06/28/2012 15:01:56
We WILL however be getting a PSRTour ...
Politics, Sex Religion tour is being headlined by Hal and John...
Raine on 06/28/2012 15:01:56
Quote by wickedpam:
Looks like no DC Sexy Liberal show - they are going to NY in October - just announced on FB
Politics, Sex Religion tour is being headlined by Hal and John...
Comment by wickedpam on 06/28/2012 15:04:12
oohhh when?
wickedpam on 06/28/2012 15:04:12
Quote by Raine:We WILL however be getting a PSRTour ...Quote by wickedpam:
Looks like no DC Sexy Liberal show - they are going to NY in October - just announced on FB
Politics, Sex Religion tour is being headlined by Hal and John...
oohhh when?
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 15:09:19
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 15:09:19
I've had a think. I mentioned this Bobber last night, blog flowers. Which sounds good, but here's the though I a have now. As show of respect to Uncle Ray, donation the RI community food bank in Uncle Ray and Tri's name.
Comment by Raine on 06/28/2012 15:11:39
No dates yet, but John has said they WILL be coming to DC.
Raine on 06/28/2012 15:11:39
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:We WILL however be getting a PSRTour ...Quote by wickedpam:
Looks like no DC Sexy Liberal show - they are going to NY in October - just announced on FB
Politics, Sex Religion tour is being headlined by Hal and John...
oohhh when?
Comment by Raine on 06/28/2012 15:12:58
That sounds like a great idea.
Raine on 06/28/2012 15:12:58
Quote by Mondobubba:
I've had a think. I mentioned this Bobber last night, blog flowers. Which sounds good, but here's the though I a have now. As show of respect to Uncle Ray, donation the RI community food bank in Uncle Ray and Tri's name.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/28/2012 15:13:22
Ya! Tell him Gaithersburg is not DC
wickedpam on 06/28/2012 15:13:22
Quote by Raine:No dates yet, but John has said they WILL be coming to DC.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:We WILL however be getting a PSRTour ...Quote by wickedpam:
Looks like no DC Sexy Liberal show - they are going to NY in October - just announced on FB
Politics, Sex Religion tour is being headlined by Hal and John...
oohhh when?
Ya! Tell him Gaithersburg is not DC
Comment by Raine on 06/28/2012 15:15:21
Well, we know that Hal already loves the Arlington Drafthouse.... So there is hope.
Raine on 06/28/2012 15:15:21
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:No dates yet, but John has said they WILL be coming to DC.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:We WILL however be getting a PSRTour ...Quote by wickedpam:
Looks like no DC Sexy Liberal show - they are going to NY in October - just announced on FB
Politics, Sex Religion tour is being headlined by Hal and John...
oohhh when?
Ya! Tell him Gaithersburg is not DC
Well, we know that Hal already loves the Arlington Drafthouse.... So there is hope.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/28/2012 15:16:58
Double Ya!
wickedpam on 06/28/2012 15:16:58
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:No dates yet, but John has said they WILL be coming to DC.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:We WILL however be getting a PSRTour ...Quote by wickedpam:
Looks like no DC Sexy Liberal show - they are going to NY in October - just announced on FB
Politics, Sex Religion tour is being headlined by Hal and John...
oohhh when?
Ya! Tell him Gaithersburg is not DC
Well, we know that Hal already loves the Arlington Drafthouse.... So there is hope.
Double Ya!
Comment by Raine on 06/28/2012 15:17:31
Raine on 06/28/2012 15:17:31
Eric Cantor and John Boehner can suck it.
Comment by BobR on 06/28/2012 15:21:48
Let the wailing and flailing begin
BobR on 06/28/2012 15:21:48
Quote by Raine:
Eric Cantor and John Boehner can suck it.
Let the wailing and flailing begin
Comment by Scoopster on 06/28/2012 15:29:17
And their little dog Romney too. Mr. MassCare is running all over Twitter with #FullRepeal.
Scoopster on 06/28/2012 15:29:17
Quote by Raine:
Eric Cantor and John Boehner can suck it.
And their little dog Romney too. Mr. MassCare is running all over Twitter with #FullRepeal.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 15:33:10
I feel like calling both of their offices and playing the chorus of Flipper's "Ha ha ha"
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 15:33:10
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
Eric Cantor and John Boehner can suck it.
And their little dog Romney too. Mr. MassCare is running all over Twitter with #FullRepeal.
I feel like calling both of their offices and playing the chorus of Flipper's "Ha ha ha"
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 15:44:41
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 15:44:41
Here is the chorus to "Ha Ha Ha:"
And I say
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho
He he he he he he he he
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
And I say
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho
He he he he he he he he
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Comment by wickedpam on 06/28/2012 15:58:13
wickedpam on 06/28/2012 15:58:13
for Caller Carla
Comment by Raine on 06/28/2012 16:11:27
Raine on 06/28/2012 16:11:27
Comment by Scoopster on 06/28/2012 16:14:40
Scoopster on 06/28/2012 16:14:40
Comment by 
livingonli on 06/28/2012 16:14:55
livingonli on 06/28/2012 16:14:55
Good day, folks. A good day for Pap to be filling in for Ed today and tomorrow and right now he's ranting on what a hack Scalia has become. I do what love what Thom Hartmann said about the grounds to impeach Scalia and possibly Thomas as well on his show yesterday.
Comment by Raine on 06/28/2012 16:15:42
I think that Thom framed it perfectly.
EJ Dionne has a column about it as well today.
Raine on 06/28/2012 16:15:42
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. A good day for Pap to be filling in for Ed today and tomorrow and right now he's ranting on what a hack Scalia has become. I do what love what Thom Hartmann said about the grounds to impeach Scalia and possibly Thomas as well on his show yesterday.
EJ Dionne has a column about it as well today.
Comment by Scoopster on 06/28/2012 16:20:13
Is it wrong that I piss my pants laughing at people who are this fucking stupid?
Scoopster on 06/28/2012 16:20:13
Quote by Raine:
You need to take a look at this...
Is it wrong that I piss my pants laughing at people who are this fucking stupid?
Comment by Raine on 06/28/2012 16:20:16
Raine on 06/28/2012 16:20:16
Quote by Scoopster:
Comment by Raine on 06/28/2012 16:20:41
NOT AT ALL...
Raine on 06/28/2012 16:20:41
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
You need to take a look at this...
Is it wrong that I piss my pants laughing at people who are this fucking stupid?
Comment by BobR on 06/28/2012 16:21:20
BobR on 06/28/2012 16:21:20
Comment by BobR on 06/28/2012 16:22:06
Maybe they should go to England to get away from this socialized medicine...
BobR on 06/28/2012 16:22:06
Quote by Raine:
You need to take a look at this...
Maybe they should go to England to get away from this socialized medicine...
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 16:26:30
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 16:26:30
Comment by livingonli on 06/28/2012 16:27:30
I'm still waiting for Rush to make good on his threat to move to Costa Rica which also has Government healthcare. You would think that they would move to Mexico if they really want to avoid the "evil" of Government Healthcare.
livingonli on 06/28/2012 16:27:30
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
You need to take a look at this...
Maybe they should go to England to get away from this socialized medicine...
I'm still waiting for Rush to make good on his threat to move to Costa Rica which also has Government healthcare. You would think that they would move to Mexico if they really want to avoid the "evil" of Government Healthcare.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 16:29:24
Has become? Scalia has always been a hack.
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 16:29:24
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. A good day for Pap to be filling in for Ed today and tomorrow and right now he's ranting on what a hack Scalia has become. I do what love what Thom Hartmann said about the grounds to impeach Scalia and possibly Thomas as well on his show yesterday.
Has become? Scalia has always been a hack.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 16:30:00
Yeah he can get Viagra without scrip in Mexico.
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 16:30:00
Quote by livingonli:Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
You need to take a look at this...
Maybe they should go to England to get away from this socialized medicine...
I'm still waiting for Rush to make good on his threat to move to Costa Rica which also has Government healthcare. You would think that they would move to Mexico if they really want to avoid the "evil" of Government Healthcare.
Yeah he can get Viagra without scrip in Mexico.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 16:49:35
From EJ Dione Jr.'s column:
The Washington Post editorial board is also commenting on Scalia's behavior as inappropriate: Justice Scalia’s partisan discredit to the court.
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 16:49:35
Quote by Raine:I think that Thom framed it perfectly.Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. A good day for Pap to be filling in for Ed today and tomorrow and right now he's ranting on what a hack Scalia has become. I do what love what Thom Hartmann said about the grounds to impeach Scalia and possibly Thomas as well on his show yesterday.
EJ Dionne has a column about it as well today.
From EJ Dione Jr.'s column:
Justice Scalia must resign
Justice Antonin Scalia needs to resign from the Supreme Court.
He’d have a lot of things to do. He’s a fine public speaker and teacher. He’d be a heck of a columnist and blogger. But he really seems to aspire to being a politician — and that’s the problem.
So often, Scalia has chosen to ignore the obligation of a Supreme Court justice to be, and appear to be, impartial. He’s turned “judicial restraint†into an oxymoronic phrase. But what he did this week, when the court announced its decision on the Arizona immigration law, should be the end of the line.
Not content with issuing a fiery written dissent, Scalia offered a bench statement questioning President Obama’s decision to allow some immigrants who were brought to the United States illegally as children to stay. Obama’s move had nothing to do with the case in question. Scalia just wanted you to know where he stood.
The Washington Post editorial board is also commenting on Scalia's behavior as inappropriate: Justice Scalia’s partisan discredit to the court.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 16:50:18
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 16:50:18
Oops, copied and pasted too fast.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 17:28:33
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 17:28:33
I've been at lunch looking at the book of the faces. Many comments on the SCOTUS ruling, but the best one has to be from one of my oldest friends, Michael>
"Now maybe I can get health insurance."
Michael is a self employed blacksmith with a conginital heart defect.
"Now maybe I can get health insurance."
Michael is a self employed blacksmith with a conginital heart defect.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 18:09:09
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 18:09:09
Poor bloggy! She is overworked today. :cuddles blog to chest: :rubs its chin: Who's a good bloggy! You're a good bloggy!
Comment by BobR on 06/28/2012 18:15:57
you should be able to edit your own comments - click on the "E"
BobR on 06/28/2012 18:15:57
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Oops, copied and pasted too fast.
you should be able to edit your own comments - click on the "E"
Comment by livingonli on 06/28/2012 18:46:20
livingonli on 06/28/2012 18:46:20
Apparently, Rushbo called Roberts an activist judge. You just love how he is nothing but a breathing talking point like Sean.
Comment by Scoopster on 06/28/2012 18:48:11
Scoopster on 06/28/2012 18:48:11
And now onto more weighty matters of the day - Italy vs. Germany in the Euro 2012 Semis!
ANDIAMO!!!
ANDIAMO!!!
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 19:20:29
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 19:20:29
Quote by Scoopster:
And now onto more weighty matters of the day - Italy vs. Germany in the Euro 2012 Semis!
ANDIAMO!!!
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 19:24:00
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 19:24:00
Speaking of pressing and important issue of the day, the new seasons of "Louie" and "Wilfred" start tonight. If you like you comedy laced with ironic tragedy or truly surreal these are the shows for you!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 19:36:25
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 19:36:25
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 20:15:14
I was going to say something snarky about overwriting the site text with EAT IT, RIGHTWING YAHOOS, but no Will has a great idea. We needs splain what the act is going to do.
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 20:15:14
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Raine and BobR, maybe it is time to update the Healthcare Reform Myths site?
I was going to say something snarky about overwriting the site text with EAT IT, RIGHTWING YAHOOS, but no Will has a great idea. We needs splain what the act is going to do.
Comment by BobR on 06/28/2012 20:53:47
I've been wondering if it's even still relevant
BobR on 06/28/2012 20:53:47
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Will in Chicago:
Raine and BobR, maybe it is time to update the Healthcare Reform Myths site?
I was going to say something snarky about overwriting the site text with EAT IT, RIGHTWING YAHOOS, but no Will has a great idea. We needs splain what the act is going to do.
I've been wondering if it's even still relevant
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 20:56:39
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 20:56:39
Here are some great links on the growth of Universal Health Care around the planet.
China, India, Indonesia, and South Africa -- which make up about 40 percent of the global population -- have moved or are moving to universal health care.
From the Washington Post: As Supreme Court upholds mandate, other countries move toward universal health coverage
From Yale Global Online: World Momentum Builds for Universal Health Coverage
China, India, Indonesia, and South Africa -- which make up about 40 percent of the global population -- have moved or are moving to universal health care.
From the Washington Post: As Supreme Court upholds mandate, other countries move toward universal health coverage
From Yale Global Online: World Momentum Builds for Universal Health Coverage
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 21:21:53
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 21:21:53
I think it might be a good idea for a few people commenting on the ACA today to actually read the law.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 21:48:59
There is a lot of stuff about the public option. But besides that, yeah I think it be relevant.
Mondobubba on 06/28/2012 21:48:59
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Will in Chicago:
Raine and BobR, maybe it is time to update the Healthcare Reform Myths site?
I was going to say something snarky about overwriting the site text with EAT IT, RIGHTWING YAHOOS, but no Will has a great idea. We needs splain what the act is going to do.
I've been wondering if it's even still relevant
There is a lot of stuff about the public option. But besides that, yeah I think it be relevant.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 23:08:45
BobR, the misinformation is still out there. Worse, we have some conservatives now claiming that a tax will be imposed on them.
Will in Chicago on 06/28/2012 23:08:45
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Will in Chicago:
Raine and BobR, maybe it is time to update the Healthcare Reform Myths site?
I was going to say something snarky about overwriting the site text with EAT IT, RIGHTWING YAHOOS, but no Will has a great idea. We needs splain what the act is going to do.
I've been wondering if it's even still relevant
There is a lot of stuff about the public option. But besides that, yeah I think it be relevant.
BobR, the misinformation is still out there. Worse, we have some conservatives now claiming that a tax will be imposed on them.
Comment by Raine on 06/29/2012 02:04:45
I think y'all might have a good point.
I am going to ask if people can help out with this. We could use help with information about WHAT is going to happen.
Raine on 06/29/2012 02:04:45
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Will in Chicago:
Raine and BobR, maybe it is time to update the Healthcare Reform Myths site?
I was going to say something snarky about overwriting the site text with EAT IT, RIGHTWING YAHOOS, but no Will has a great idea. We needs splain what the act is going to do.
I am going to ask if people can help out with this. We could use help with information about WHAT is going to happen.
Comment by clintster on 06/29/2012 03:48:46
clintster on 06/29/2012 03:48:46
And to end the day on a good note:
