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Deja Voodoo Economics
Author: BobR
Date: 09/19/2012 13:07:02
This election has been characterized by President Obama as a referendum on whether the country wants to go back to the failed policies of the Bush administration, or move forward with new ideas. It's apparent as we get closer to election day that this is closer to reality than most people realize.
Sure there are all the foreign policy people on Mitt's team that came directly from the Bush presidency. Sure there's the regressive trickle-down tax ideas couched in the phrase "job creators". Sure there's the Laissez-faire approach to governmental oversight of business. Sure they were both born into comfortable family situations, which gave them a leg up on most others of their generations. Sure they are both prone to say things that come across as clumsy, awkward, and disconnected.
Based on the recently discovered video, however, Romney has proven himself to be so out of touch with average Americans, he only really feels comfortable talking with his peers - the very rich. THEY understand him, THEY don't need to see his tax returns. Romney doesn't need to play down his own personal wealth in front of them, and - per the video - feels comfortable about sharing his disdain for those who don't pay taxes and/or support President Obama.
What's interesting, of course, is that people like Romney - who earn most of their yearly income from capital gains - pay a lower tax rate than most working people, and have a multitude of deductions that lowers their effective income tax rate down to the level of those he dismisses as "government dependents": zero.
Romney's main campaign meme has been that he has run a business and knows how to create jobs (in China, but that's another story). He uses his experience as a hammer to pound out the message that he can fix the budget and create jobs. Republicans are very amped up about the budget deficits and government debt. They believe we should not be spending money we don't have, on the promise that future money will pay off the debt.
Which brings us to an interesting news story from yesterday. Apparently, an FEC report will show that the Romney campaign is in debt:
Campaign finance reports to be released later this week will show Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney over $10 million in debt, the Romney campaign confirmed to CNN Tuesday, although the debt is a result of federal restrictions on when the campaign can spend its war chest.
Romney's campaign took out a loan of $20 million as it approached its party convention last month and saw accessible funds dwindling, sources said. While Romney has been raising general election funds for several months, he could not spend those funds until he officially accepted his party's nomination at the Republican convention.
[..]
The campaign used the general election funds as collateral for the loan, and said the FEC has previously allowed campaigns to use general election funds as collateral for loans. Prior campaigns have used as collateral their expected public matching funds, but Romney is not eligible for such funds.
What do Republicans say about spending money that's not in hand? What do they say about using funds allocated for one thing (say... Social Security) for other things?
Romney has made the claim that he is different, that he will approach the financial aspect of government the way he has in his personal and professional life. But the evidence shows that he will borrow money to achieve his goals (from his parents, from the Bain Capital fund to prop up fledgling business, from funds allocated to a specific campaign purpose), and he sometimes doesn't plan his spending very well. He KNOWS that sometimes debt is a good thing - he's used it.
Romney's "47%" comments, and his campaign finance mismanagement show a person who criticizes those who do the exact same things he does... and we all know what we call people like that...
Hypocrits.
Like Bush, Romney was borne into wealth, and has zero empathy for those struggling to get by (remember Bush's "uniquely American" comment when confronted by a woman who had to work 3 jobs to survive?). Like Bush, he has a tendency to say clumsy things. Like Bush, he thinks the rich can help the poor by making them richer. Like Bush, he destroyed jobs (in Bush's case through incompetence, in Romeny's case through avarice). He's actually worse than Bush, though, because he knows what he's doing.
Like Bush, Romney would be bad for this country. Let's not do this all over again.
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 09/19/2012 13:09:33
wickedpam on 09/19/2012 13:09:33
Morning 
Comment by 
Raine on 09/19/2012 13:17:22
Raine on 09/19/2012 13:17:22
He's WORSE than Bush.
good morning!
good morning!
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2012 13:23:20
Raine on 09/19/2012 13:23:20
Comment by 
BobR on 09/19/2012 13:25:40
BobR on 09/19/2012 13:25:40
Quote by Raine:
I swear, we live in upside down world when I say that this is ACTUALLY from the Onion.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2012 13:37:11
Raine on 09/19/2012 13:37:11
Comment by 
TriSec on 09/19/2012 13:39:21
TriSec on 09/19/2012 13:39:21
Romney's 47% comment might be getting more traction than his campaign thinks. Raine, you called it yesterday on the book of face - "Promote the General Welfare". I think the reference was to "We the People", not "We the Elite".
I am humbly reminded of John Wayne's comment about then-new President Kennedy.
"He's not my president, but he's THE President, and I hope he does a good job."
That illustrates to me that some days, the country is bigger than any one candidate or party (as it should be) and you just have to ask, which candidate is going to work for everyone, and which candidate has an elitist base?
I am humbly reminded of John Wayne's comment about then-new President Kennedy.
"He's not my president, but he's THE President, and I hope he does a good job."
That illustrates to me that some days, the country is bigger than any one candidate or party (as it should be) and you just have to ask, which candidate is going to work for everyone, and which candidate has an elitist base?
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2012 13:40:49
Raine on 09/19/2012 13:40:49
Comment by 
Scoopster on 09/19/2012 14:08:34
Scoopster on 09/19/2012 14:08:34
Mornin' all..
Oof.. Pretty sure I overdid it on the coffee & donuts from the other thread. Imma go take a nappy time.
Oof.. Pretty sure I overdid it on the coffee & donuts from the other thread. Imma go take a nappy time.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2012 14:20:14
Raine on 09/19/2012 14:20:14
Ahhh good times...
Remember last April when Ann Romney said this?
Yeah.... please zip him back up.
Remember last April when Ann Romney said this?
“And one of the things, Ann Romney, that folks talk about with your husband, Mitt Romney, and I’ve seen him in casual conversation-He comes off very smooth and okay. But sometimes he comes off stiff. Do you have to fight back some criticism, like ‘My husband isn’t stiff, OK?’â€
Laughing, Ann Romney responded, “Well, you know, I guess we better unzip him and let the real Mitt Romney out because he is not!â€
Yeah.... please zip him back up.
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 09/19/2012 14:23:59
I wonder if the problem with the Mittbot is that his firmware came from a corrupted .ZIP file.
trojanrabbit on 09/19/2012 14:23:59
Quote by Raine:
Ahhh good times...
Remember last April when Ann Romney said this?“And one of the things, Ann Romney, that folks talk about with your husband, Mitt Romney, and I’ve seen him in casual conversation-He comes off very smooth and okay. But sometimes he comes off stiff. Do you have to fight back some criticism, like ‘My husband isn’t stiff, OK?’â€
Laughing, Ann Romney responded, “Well, you know, I guess we better unzip him and let the real Mitt Romney out because he is not!â€
Yeah.... please zip him back up.
I wonder if the problem with the Mittbot is that his firmware came from a corrupted .ZIP file.
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2012 14:24:45
TriSec on 09/19/2012 14:24:45
Speaking as a casual NFL fan (is there such a thing? Probably, all you baseball pinkhatters 
) it is my opinion that the replacement refs have spent far too much time at the teats of goats this season.
Wouldn't it be cool if the players pulled a wildcat strike this weekend because the refs sucked so bad? But it'll never happen. At least until somebody gets hurt and they blow the call.
) it is my opinion that the replacement refs have spent far too much time at the teats of goats this season.Wouldn't it be cool if the players pulled a wildcat strike this weekend because the refs sucked so bad? But it'll never happen. At least until somebody gets hurt and they blow the call.
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2012 14:29:55
TriSec on 09/19/2012 14:29:55
Well, that's a relief!
With the Quebecois back in power, I think Canada won't need our help to destroy itself.
Maybe we'll pick up some new states if La Belle Province tries to secede again. (The Maritimes)
With the Quebecois back in power, I think Canada won't need our help to destroy itself.
Maybe we'll pick up some new states if La Belle Province tries to secede again. (The Maritimes)
Comment by trojanrabbit on 09/19/2012 14:29:56
I'm thinking more along the lines that a head coach will go postal when a game is lost due to a bad call.
Trying to remember what game it was (there are so many) where a potentially game changing play was replayed only because there were less than 2 minutes left, meaning the replay booth chose to replay it. The team in question was out of challenges.
Even though there were numerous bad calls in the Pats/Cards game (especially the TD called back due to holding that is usually not called, the Cards were screwed out of TD as I recall), the Pats deserved to lose because the offense played so offensively rotten.
trojanrabbit on 09/19/2012 14:29:56
Quote by TriSec:
Speaking as a casual NFL fan (is there such a thing? Probably, all you baseball pinkhatters
Wouldn't it be cool if the players pulled a wildcat strike this weekend because the refs sucked so bad? But it'll never happen. At least until somebody gets hurt and they blow the call.
I'm thinking more along the lines that a head coach will go postal when a game is lost due to a bad call.
Trying to remember what game it was (there are so many) where a potentially game changing play was replayed only because there were less than 2 minutes left, meaning the replay booth chose to replay it. The team in question was out of challenges.
Even though there were numerous bad calls in the Pats/Cards game (especially the TD called back due to holding that is usually not called, the Cards were screwed out of TD as I recall), the Pats deserved to lose because the offense played so offensively rotten.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 09/19/2012 14:31:23
Mondobubba on 09/19/2012 14:31:23
I've been going back and forth on Mitten's 47% comments. Was he pandering to his fat cat doners at the fund raiser and just saying that crap or does he really believe it? Either way it has shown he is unfit for the job.
Check out what David Simon (Homicide, The Corner, The Wire, Treme etc) had to say about Mittens. His blog is at Davidsimon.com (Since there is a nice note at the bottom asking not to link or quote without permission, I am not supplying the link).
Check out what David Simon (Homicide, The Corner, The Wire, Treme etc) had to say about Mittens. His blog is at Davidsimon.com (Since there is a nice note at the bottom asking not to link or quote without permission, I am not supplying the link).
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2012 14:33:13
TriSec on 09/19/2012 14:33:13
* eyes bulge out *
I'm a Filipino married to a Cuban - we practically live on rice.
I'm a Filipino married to a Cuban - we practically live on rice.
It’s stuff we eat every day: cereal, crackers, even baby food. But now a new test shows these popular rice products contain arsenic, a chemical linked to cancer. Some experts say the levels are troubling, and consumers may be at risk.
From babies eating rice cereal to kids and their Rice Krispies, whole grain, long grain or plain white, rice is a staple. But a new alert from Consumer Reports found elevated levels of arsenic in rice.
Urshavi Rangan is a scientist who ran the study for Consumer Reports, testing more than 200 samples of the most popular brands. From Uncle Ben's to Goya to Kellogg's to Earth's Best Organic, even Gerber, all had levels of arsenic that she said are worrisome.
“We actually are quite concerned by the findings,†Rangan said. “This isn't a matter of trace amounts. These are moderate to moderately high levels of arsenic.â€
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2012 14:38:40
Tri, it is Consumer Reports. They are always alarmist.
Mondobubba on 09/19/2012 14:38:40
Quote by TriSec:
* eyes bulge out *
I'm a Filipino married to a Cuban - we practically live on rice.
It’s stuff we eat every day: cereal, crackers, even baby food. But now a new test shows these popular rice products contain arsenic, a chemical linked to cancer. Some experts say the levels are troubling, and consumers may be at risk.
From babies eating rice cereal to kids and their Rice Krispies, whole grain, long grain or plain white, rice is a staple. But a new alert from Consumer Reports found elevated levels of arsenic in rice.
Urshavi Rangan is a scientist who ran the study for Consumer Reports, testing more than 200 samples of the most popular brands. From Uncle Ben's to Goya to Kellogg's to Earth's Best Organic, even Gerber, all had levels of arsenic that she said are worrisome.
“We actually are quite concerned by the findings,†Rangan said. “This isn't a matter of trace amounts. These are moderate to moderately high levels of arsenic.â€Â
Tri, it is Consumer Reports. They are always alarmist.
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 09/19/2012 14:49:26
Good morning, bloggers! TriSec, I don't think that Romney can rise to the level of dignity that John Wayne demonstrated with that remark.
BobR, thanks for a great blog!! I think that Romney has shown he is an elitist of the sort that Franklin Delano Roosevelt warned us about in his speeches. This is a man who showed his disdain for millions of Americans and is unfit for higher office.
Will in Chicago on 09/19/2012 14:49:26
Quote by TriSec:
Romney's 47% comment might be getting more traction than his campaign thinks. Raine, you called it yesterday on the book of face - "Promote the General Welfare". I think the reference was to "We the People", not "We the Elite".
I am humbly reminded of John Wayne's comment about then-new President Kennedy.
"He's not my president, but he's THE President, and I hope he does a good job."
That illustrates to me that some days, the country is bigger than any one candidate or party (as it should be) and you just have to ask, which candidate is going to work for everyone, and which candidate has an elitist base?
Good morning, bloggers! TriSec, I don't think that Romney can rise to the level of dignity that John Wayne demonstrated with that remark.
BobR, thanks for a great blog!! I think that Romney has shown he is an elitist of the sort that Franklin Delano Roosevelt warned us about in his speeches. This is a man who showed his disdain for millions of Americans and is unfit for higher office.
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2012 14:51:29
Well, my genetic testing recently came back: I don't have the gene. (It's called LINK syndrome).
At this time, I have no likely cause for what I've got. So maybe there are external environmental factors, who the heck knows besides Allah?
TriSec on 09/19/2012 14:51:29
Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri, it is Consumer Reports. They are always alarmist.
Well, my genetic testing recently came back: I don't have the gene. (It's called LINK syndrome).
At this time, I have no likely cause for what I've got. So maybe there are external environmental factors, who the heck knows besides Allah?
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2012 14:59:26
The article poses more questions than it answers. How elevated are the arsenic levels? What is the what is the EPA standard for arsenic? Are the elevated levels over that EPA limit?
Mondobubba on 09/19/2012 14:59:26
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri, it is Consumer Reports. They are always alarmist.
Well, my genetic testing recently came back: I don't have the gene. (It's called LINK syndrome).
At this time, I have no likely cause for what I've got. So maybe there are external environmental factors, who the heck knows besides Allah?
The article poses more questions than it answers. How elevated are the arsenic levels? What is the what is the EPA standard for arsenic? Are the elevated levels over that EPA limit?
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2012 15:02:22
Raine on 09/19/2012 15:02:22
This is what Romney is using in his campaign ads now...
The Drudge Report cropped comments President Obama made in 1998 about government's role in creating a society where everybody has a shot and used those cropped comments to portray Obama as a socialist.
Drudge linked to a YouTube video supposedly taken from an October 1998 conference at Loyola University with a picture of Obama and the headline, "I actually believe in redistribution." The quote was picked up by Gateway Pundit blogger Jim Hoft who used the video to call Obama "America's Socialist In Chief."
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2012 15:06:47
TriSec on 09/19/2012 15:06:47
Herr Mondo, I have my phone working again. If you would like an audio recording, I can do that again for you.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/19/2012 15:07:03
I have to admit that Romney seems to be stooping to even lower levels than I thought possible. Everyone wants a fair shot.
I am one of many people who have advanced degrees who has spent a lot of time finding work. I guess that Romney only believes that a few Americans matter.
Will in Chicago on 09/19/2012 15:07:03
Quote by Raine:
This is what Romney is using in his campaign ads now...The Drudge Report cropped comments President Obama made in 1998 about government's role in creating a society where everybody has a shot and used those cropped comments to portray Obama as a socialist.
Drudge linked to a YouTube video supposedly taken from an October 1998 conference at Loyola University with a picture of Obama and the headline, "I actually believe in redistribution." The quote was picked up by Gateway Pundit blogger Jim Hoft who used the video to call Obama "America's Socialist In Chief."
I have to admit that Romney seems to be stooping to even lower levels than I thought possible. Everyone wants a fair shot.
I am one of many people who have advanced degrees who has spent a lot of time finding work. I guess that Romney only believes that a few Americans matter.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2012 15:09:00
I think there is good reason to argue that the Redskins lost as the result of a bad call this week.
In the Game with the Giants and Tamps bay there were a couple very bad calls as well.
And then there is the Ref who was supposed to work the SAINTS game -- until they found out he was a HUGE Saints fan. That guy was responsible for a questionable call in the Giants opener against the Cowboys.
They SUCK.
and then there is this Replacement Ref asshattery
Raine on 09/19/2012 15:09:00
Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by TriSec:
Speaking as a casual NFL fan (is there such a thing? Probably, all you baseball pinkhatters
Wouldn't it be cool if the players pulled a wildcat strike this weekend because the refs sucked so bad? But it'll never happen. At least until somebody gets hurt and they blow the call.
I'm thinking more along the lines that a head coach will go postal when a game is lost due to a bad call.
Trying to remember what game it was (there are so many) where a potentially game changing play was replayed only because there were less than 2 minutes left, meaning the replay booth chose to replay it. The team in question was out of challenges.
Even though there were numerous bad calls in the Pats/Cards game (especially the TD called back due to holding that is usually not called, the Cards were screwed out of TD as I recall), the Pats deserved to lose because the offense played so offensively rotten.
In the Game with the Giants and Tamps bay there were a couple very bad calls as well.
And then there is the Ref who was supposed to work the SAINTS game -- until they found out he was a HUGE Saints fan. That guy was responsible for a questionable call in the Giants opener against the Cowboys.
They SUCK.
and then there is this Replacement Ref asshattery
In Week 2, a number of games drew criticism for the work of the replacement refs. Among those was the Ravens-Eagles game, which got more than a little chippy. Philadelphia running back LeSean McCoy said one of the refs in his game was talking about his fantasy football team.
McCoy joined 94 WIP's Anthony Gargano and Ike Reese on Monday and was asked about the job the refs are doing. The running back called them "fans" and said one of them specifically mentioned his fantasy team during the game.
"They're like fans, kind of though,†McCoy said. “I'll be honest, they're like fans. One of the refs was talking about his fantasy team, like, ‘McCoy, come on. I need you for my fantasy,' ahhh, what?!"
Now, McCoy said this jokingly, laughing about the comment. But we have to assume he's being serious when he quotes someone on a radio show, especially since he cited another specific example of Ray Lewis basically scaring a replacement ref by puffing up his chest.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2012 15:12:05
That would be splendid! Thanks! : )
For those wondering. Herr TriSec played Taps last night for Poppa Mondo. Recording wasn't working.
Mondobubba on 09/19/2012 15:12:05
Quote by TriSec:
Herr Mondo, I have my phone working again. If you would like an audio recording, I can do that again for you.
That would be splendid! Thanks! : )
For those wondering. Herr TriSec played Taps last night for Poppa Mondo. Recording wasn't working.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2012 15:23:06
Raine on 09/19/2012 15:23:06
In case you don't want to watch the video, Mother Jones has a transcript, and a bullet like of its greatest hits...
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2012 15:41:29
Raine on 09/19/2012 15:41:29
So there are some benefits. One of the benefits I get is eating the world's best dessert, which I will. Mitt Romney's closing sentence at his Fundraiser.
What a turd.
What a turd.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 09/19/2012 15:43:20
trojanrabbit on 09/19/2012 15:43:20
I just need to vent.
I'm at my wits end with Lucky.
He started ripping his fur off around his neck again a couple of weeks ago. The last couple of times he did this we took him to the vet and he got a steroid injection which helped for a while. Since I had to spend just about everything I had in reserve to get my car fixed, taking him to the vet now is out of the question and I don't see Mrs. Rabbit going back to steady work any time soon (she is participating in a Lego build this weekend so that's a few hours of pay and she's going to ask about coming back to one of the closer stores instead of going 30 miles one way)
I'm bandaging him like I did when we first had the problem, but of course he rips that off pretty fast (this morning I must have done a bad job because it barely lasted an hour).
Only thing I can think of right now is to try changing his food to a sensitive skin type and find some sort of sweater for him to wear (ohhh boy).
It just hurts me so to see him like this. I don't think he's in great discomfort, but he's keeping away from me because he knows he's gonna get bandaged up.
Sorry for the sob story. It's a bitch to lose a paycheck for a year and not even be able to collect unemployment.
I'm at my wits end with Lucky.
He started ripping his fur off around his neck again a couple of weeks ago. The last couple of times he did this we took him to the vet and he got a steroid injection which helped for a while. Since I had to spend just about everything I had in reserve to get my car fixed, taking him to the vet now is out of the question and I don't see Mrs. Rabbit going back to steady work any time soon (she is participating in a Lego build this weekend so that's a few hours of pay and she's going to ask about coming back to one of the closer stores instead of going 30 miles one way)
I'm bandaging him like I did when we first had the problem, but of course he rips that off pretty fast (this morning I must have done a bad job because it barely lasted an hour).
Only thing I can think of right now is to try changing his food to a sensitive skin type and find some sort of sweater for him to wear (ohhh boy).
It just hurts me so to see him like this. I don't think he's in great discomfort, but he's keeping away from me because he knows he's gonna get bandaged up.
Sorry for the sob story. It's a bitch to lose a paycheck for a year and not even be able to collect unemployment.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2012 15:44:10
OMG there is so much CRAP in my office! Sad thing is I need it all. *sigh*
wickedpam on 09/19/2012 15:44:10
OMG there is so much CRAP in my office! Sad thing is I need it all. *sigh*
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/19/2012 15:44:43
Why do I think Marie Antoinette is suddenly relieved at finding someone who can comes across as more arrogant than her?
Will in Chicago on 09/19/2012 15:44:43
Quote by Raine:
So there are some benefits. One of the benefits I get is eating the world's best dessert, which I will. Mitt Romney's closing sentence at his Fundraiser.
What a turd.
Why do I think Marie Antoinette is suddenly relieved at finding someone who can comes across as more arrogant than her?
Comment by Scoopster on 09/19/2012 15:46:54
They need to buy ad space on every public display screen in every commuter terminal and every Dunkin' Donuts and every cable channel and everywhere they can and play this spot.
Scoopster on 09/19/2012 15:46:54
They need to buy ad space on every public display screen in every commuter terminal and every Dunkin' Donuts and every cable channel and everywhere they can and play this spot.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2012 15:48:25
Want another quote?
"You know that I'm as poor as a church mouse."
Raine on 09/19/2012 15:48:25
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Raine:
So there are some benefits. One of the benefits I get is eating the world's best dessert, which I will. Mitt Romney's closing sentence at his Fundraiser.
What a turd.
Why do I think Marie Antoinette is suddenly relieved at finding someone who can comes across as more arrogant than her?
"You know that I'm as poor as a church mouse."
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2012 15:49:31
YES!
Raine on 09/19/2012 15:49:31
Quote by Scoopster:
They need to buy ad space on every public display screen in every commuter terminal and every Dunkin' Donuts and every cable channel and everywhere they can and play this spot.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2012 15:50:34
as an exmple - my managers each have 4 moving totes (and barely need that many), I have 8. Plus I have the smallest office - WTF?
wickedpam on 09/19/2012 15:50:34
Quote by wickedpam:
as an exmple - my managers each have 4 moving totes (and barely need that many), I have 8. Plus I have the smallest office - WTF?
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2012 15:54:15
What the Flck...
Raine on 09/19/2012 15:54:15
If I were Iran, and a crazed fanatic, I'd say let's get a little fissile material to Hezbollah, have them carry it to Chicago or some other place, and then if anything goes wrong or if America starts acting up, we'll just say, "Guess what, unless you stand down, why we're gonna let off a dirty bomb." This is where we head, where American can be held up and blackmailed by Iran, by the mullahs, by crazy people. So we really don't have any option but to keep Iran from having a nuclear weapon.
What the Flck...
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2012 16:01:14
TriSec on 09/19/2012 16:01:14
I don't need chemo - Relay Health is going to make me lose my hair.
Rookie mistakes. They didn't used to suck like this.
Rookie mistakes. They didn't used to suck like this.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 09/19/2012 16:02:54
Mitt said that?
Wonder why he said Chicago?
Now if was brought to Salt Lake City.....
trojanrabbit on 09/19/2012 16:02:54
Quote by Raine:If I were Iran, and a crazed fanatic, I'd say let's get a little fissile material to Hezbollah, have them carry it to Chicago or some other place, and then if anything goes wrong or if America starts acting up, we'll just say, "Guess what, unless you stand down, why we're gonna let off a dirty bomb." This is where we head, where American can be held up and blackmailed by Iran, by the mullahs, by crazy people. So we really don't have any option but to keep Iran from having a nuclear weapon.
What the Flck...
Mitt said that?
Wonder why he said Chicago?
Now if was brought to Salt Lake City.....
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2012 16:05:38
What? A presidential candidate hopes America is attacked?
What?????
It's over. It's totally over. If he really said that, I'd expect the President to call a press conference and ream him over this.
TriSec on 09/19/2012 16:05:38
Quote by Raine:
What the Flck...
What? A presidential candidate hopes America is attacked?
What?????
It's over. It's totally over. If he really said that, I'd expect the President to call a press conference and ream him over this.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2012 16:12:33
Want broader context?
His 47% comments was not even the worst of what he said.
Raine on 09/19/2012 16:12:33
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
What the Flck...
What? A presidential candidate hopes America is attacked?
What?????
It's over. It's totally over. If he really said that, I'd expect the President to call a press conference and ream him over this.
You are right, which is a nuclear Iran is an unthinkable outcome, not just for our friends in Israel and our friends in Europe, but also for us. Because Iran is the state sponsor of terror in the world, has Hezbollah now throughout Latin America, Hezbollah with fissile material. If I were Iran, and a crazed fanatic, I'd say let's get a little fissile material to Hezbollah, have them carry it to Chicago or some other place, and then if anything goes wrong or if America starts acting up, we'll just say, "Guess what, unless you stand down, why we're gonna let off a dirty bomb." This is where we head, where American can be held up and blackmailed by Iran, by the mullahs, by crazy people. So we really don't have any option but to keep Iran from having a nuclear weapon.
I'll give the specifics about Iran, and then maybe talk more broadly about foreign policy. The specific on Iran is that we should have put in place crippling sanctions at the beginning of the president's term. We did not. He will say, "Yes, but Russian wouldn't go along with us." Well, he gave Russia their No. 1 foreign objective: For a decade, all they've cared about is getting the missile defense sites out of Poland, and he gave them that and got nothing in return. He could have—I presume—gotten them to agree to crippling sanctions on Iran. He did not, which is in my opinion, one of the greatest foreign policy errors of the modern time. And by the way, if he could not have gotten that from Russia, he should have kept the missile defense sites in Poland, just to keep a bargaining chip on table. I mean, put nothing in if he wants—I would have kept them, I wouldn't have traded them away, but that's where he was.
No. 2, we should have been aggressively supporting the voices of dissent in Iran, and when there was an effort towards revolution there we should been aggressively supporting. And finally we should have made it clear, at least by now, that we have military plans to potentially remove their nuclear capabilities. That doesn't mean we actually pull the trigger, but it means we communicate to them that we're ready to do so. And that it is unacceptable to America to have a nuclear Iran. Instead what this administration has done is communicate to the Iranians that we're more worried about Israel attacking them than we are about them becoming nuclear. It's extraordinary. So those are some thoughts directly at Iran.
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2012 16:15:48
TriSec on 09/19/2012 16:15:48
Comment by trojanrabbit on 09/19/2012 16:18:57
We'll try to stay serene and calm..
When Salt Lake City gets the Bomb.
trojanrabbit on 09/19/2012 16:18:57
Quote by Raine:Want broader context?Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
What the Flck...
What? A presidential candidate hopes America is attacked?
What?????
It's over. It's totally over. If he really said that, I'd expect the President to call a press conference and ream him over this.His 47% comments was not even the worst of what he said.You are right, which is a nuclear Iran is an unthinkable outcome, not just for our friends in Israel and our friends in Europe, but also for us. Because Iran is the state sponsor of terror in the world, has Hezbollah now throughout Latin America, Hezbollah with fissile material. If I were Iran, and a crazed fanatic, I'd say let's get a little fissile material to Hezbollah, have them carry it to Chicago or some other place, and then if anything goes wrong or if America starts acting up, we'll just say, "Guess what, unless you stand down, why we're gonna let off a dirty bomb." This is where we head, where American can be held up and blackmailed by Iran, by the mullahs, by crazy people. So we really don't have any option but to keep Iran from having a nuclear weapon.
I'll give the specifics about Iran, and then maybe talk more broadly about foreign policy. The specific on Iran is that we should have put in place crippling sanctions at the beginning of the president's term. We did not. He will say, "Yes, but Russian wouldn't go along with us." Well, he gave Russia their No. 1 foreign objective: For a decade, all they've cared about is getting the missile defense sites out of Poland, and he gave them that and got nothing in return. He could have—I presume—gotten them to agree to crippling sanctions on Iran. He did not, which is in my opinion, one of the greatest foreign policy errors of the modern time. And by the way, if he could not have gotten that from Russia, he should have kept the missile defense sites in Poland, just to keep a bargaining chip on table. I mean, put nothing in if he wants—I would have kept them, I wouldn't have traded them away, but that's where he was.
No. 2, we should have been aggressively supporting the voices of dissent in Iran, and when there was an effort towards revolution there we should been aggressively supporting. And finally we should have made it clear, at least by now, that we have military plans to potentially remove their nuclear capabilities. That doesn't mean we actually pull the trigger, but it means we communicate to them that we're ready to do so. And that it is unacceptable to America to have a nuclear Iran. Instead what this administration has done is communicate to the Iranians that we're more worried about Israel attacking them than we are about them becoming nuclear. It's extraordinary. So those are some thoughts directly at Iran.
We'll try to stay serene and calm..
When Salt Lake City gets the Bomb.
Comment by 
clintster on 09/19/2012 16:23:07
clintster on 09/19/2012 16:23:07
Watching "Outfoxed" on Current right now. If I never hear the words "Some people say" again, I'll live a happy life.
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2012 16:26:50
TriSec on 09/19/2012 16:26:50
“My job is not to worry about those people,â€
Actually, it kinda is. The people that are doing well don't need your help, asshat.
Actually, it kinda is. The people that are doing well don't need your help, asshat.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/19/2012 16:34:02
Scoopster on 09/19/2012 16:34:02
You know what Mitt's disjointed fantasy comments about a dirty bomb in Chicago remind me of? The scene in WarGames when the kids are randomly picking cities for the computer to nuke..
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/19/2012 16:39:56
The President should ream him on this now and raise this again during the debates. My advice to the Obama campaign -- show no mercy. None. As a Chicago native, I hope that Mitt Romney goes down so hard that he will find himself in a sub basement of Hell come this November.
I would like to say that each time I think poorly of Mitt Romney, he finds a way to sink to a new level. This is the sort of rhetoric I would expect out of Joe Walsh, the Congressman not the musician.
Will in Chicago on 09/19/2012 16:39:56
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
What the Flck...
What? A presidential candidate hopes America is attacked?
What?????
It's over. It's totally over. If he really said that, I'd expect the President to call a press conference and ream him over this.
The President should ream him on this now and raise this again during the debates. My advice to the Obama campaign -- show no mercy. None. As a Chicago native, I hope that Mitt Romney goes down so hard that he will find himself in a sub basement of Hell come this November.
I would like to say that each time I think poorly of Mitt Romney, he finds a way to sink to a new level. This is the sort of rhetoric I would expect out of Joe Walsh, the Congressman not the musician.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/19/2012 16:57:52
Will in Chicago on 09/19/2012 16:57:52
You may want to visit my Facebook page later, as a few conservatives are coming out in favor of Romney. (One, whom I know from the Jewish community out here, seems to have fallen into the Fox News-Pamela Gellar take.)
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2012 16:58:51
Mondobubba on 09/19/2012 16:58:51
Avast me hearties! Why haven't we been a-palaverin' loik pyrates?
If it is International Talk Like a Pirate Day, shouldn't we take a stab at Sabir, the lingua franca of the Mediterrainian so we sound like Barbery Pirates! Or some Somali, so we could sound like Somali pirates. I could go on...
If it is International Talk Like a Pirate Day, shouldn't we take a stab at Sabir, the lingua franca of the Mediterrainian so we sound like Barbery Pirates! Or some Somali, so we could sound like Somali pirates. I could go on...
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2012 17:01:04
This entire thing just gets my goat. The arrogance and the total and complete lack of the American experience.
All of these things... ALL of them, from his twisting of truth to run for Gov, to his non retirement, to the federal money he took for the olympics to the bullying incidents to his lack of releasing his tax returns --- I could go on...
THIS THIS is the real Mitt Romney. He's dangerous to the 99% he's dangerous for the world.
Raine on 09/19/2012 17:01:04
Quote by TriSec:
“My job is not to worry about those people,â€
Actually, it kinda is. The people that are doing well don't need your help, asshat.
This entire thing just gets my goat. The arrogance and the total and complete lack of the American experience.
All of these things... ALL of them, from his twisting of truth to run for Gov, to his non retirement, to the federal money he took for the olympics to the bullying incidents to his lack of releasing his tax returns --- I could go on...
THIS THIS is the real Mitt Romney. He's dangerous to the 99% he's dangerous for the world.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2012 17:01:48
Mondo, are you aware that you can change your language to English (Pirate) on FB?
Raine on 09/19/2012 17:01:48
Quote by Mondobubba:
Avast me hearties! Why haven't we been a-palaverin' loik pyrates?
If it is International Talk Like a Pirate Day, shouldn't we take a stab at Sabir, the lingua franca of the Mediterrainian so we sound like Barbery Pirates! Or some Somali, so we could sound like Somali pirates. I could go on...
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2012 17:02:58
Ugh. Don't let them shat upon your page, Will.
Raine on 09/19/2012 17:02:58
Quote by Will in Chicago:
You may want to visit my Facebook page later, as a few conservatives are coming out in favor of Romney. (One, whom I know from the Jewish community out here, seems to have fallen into the Fox News-Pamela Gellar take.)
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2012 17:03:49
Except this is real.
I;m a little concerned that the rest of the world is going to read this shit about Mitt and well... you know....
Raine on 09/19/2012 17:03:49
Quote by Scoopster:
You know what Mitt's disjointed fantasy comments about a dirty bomb in Chicago remind me of? The scene in WarGames when the kids are randomly picking cities for the computer to nuke..
I;m a little concerned that the rest of the world is going to read this shit about Mitt and well... you know....