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Author: TriSec    Date: 10/23/2012 10:12:41

Good Morning.

Today is our 4,034th day in Afghanistan.

We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from on ongoing war, courtesy of Antiwar.com:

US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 2,141
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,065

We find this morning's cost of war passing through:

$ 1, 385, 595, 575, 000 .00


We'll stay on the home front today. With last night's debate about foreign policy, it would have been nice to hear from either candidate about some veteran's issues, but none were broached by either or the moderator. So once again, our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines are swept under the rug except when it's politically convenient for them to appear.

Heading up to Minnesota, it's another battleground state on the voter ID front. Curiosly though, a number of elder veterans are actually in favor of it. I do find that somewhat unusual, as for the most part, voter ID laws are targeted against those least likely to have a proper ID....someone like an elderly veteran who doesn't get around much anymore.


ST. PAUL, Minn. — Military veterans have moved front and center in the debate over Minnesota's proposed voter ID constitutional amendment.

For voter ID supporters, veterans are a symbol to sell their message of election integrity. Opponents have turned to veterans to point out the potential problems that soldiers could face when they try to vote.

The pro-amendment campaign organization Protect My Vote started airing its first television ad last month. The 30-second spot features Robert McWhite of Minneapolis, a 91-year-old World War II veteran and former prisoner of war in Europe, who talks about defending the nation and its ideals.

"Nothing is more central to America's success than the right to vote," McWhite says in the ad. "That's why I'm supporting the effort to protect that right by showing photo ID."

Dan McGrath, chairman of Protect My Vote, told Minnesota Public Radio that the ad is certain to appeal to voters who respect the military.

"We did focus group testing on a number of different concepts, and one of them was around the idea of defending democracy," he said. "We tied the idea of defending democracy in war, military veterans, with voter ID, and it focus-group-tested very well. So that's how our ad came together."

Additionally, McGrath said, the ad tries to address accusations from amendment opponents that a photo ID requirement could make it harder for soldiers, veterans and the elderly to vote. He insists that everyone who is eligible to vote will be able to obtain an ID and cast a ballot.

As for current military personnel, McGrath insisted nothing will get in their way.

"Soldiers overseas are protected by federal laws, and their vote can't be threatened by a constitutional amendment or a state statute," McGrath said.

Voter ID opponents said the amendment would threaten the ability of soldiers to vote. Greta Bergstrom, a spokeswoman for the anti-amendment campaign organization Our Vote Our Future, said the pro-amendment ad uses "powerful imagery" to mislead voters.

Bergstrom said she thinks the ad tries to make voter ID sound simpler than it really is and neglects to tell voters that it could set up procedures that inhibit people in the military from voting.


As if our veterans don't have enough problems exercising the rights that they have been out defending, there's another story from Rutgers University. Here we have actual G.I.s going to school under the GI Bill (much like their returning grandfathers did after WWII). It appears that there's a backlash out there from some students....openly wondering "why should we pay for these guys to go to college?"


The insult expressed in the Rutgers University class was aimed at the nearly 1 million veterans enrolled at U.S. schools under the GI Bill. And Scott Hakim, barely a year removed from combat, took the slam personally.

“Why should we pay for these guys to go to college?” Hakim said he recalls a female student asking during a discussion on the nation’s responsibility to service members returning from war. “Everybody who goes into the military is stupid – that’s why they joined the military instead of going to college.”

Hakim – a Marine infantryman in Iraq and Afghanistan – immediately vowed to out-study every classmate on the midterm exam and said he ultimately posted the highest mark: 98 out of 100. Later, he said, he overheard that same female student reveal her grade: F.

“I guess I proved her wrong,” Hakim said. “It wasn't a me-versus-her thing, more like: Maybe now she realizes how idiotic her statement was.”

Anti-veteran sentiments – though sporadic and scattered – are nonetheless emerging at some American colleges just as thousands of veterans enroll with their tuition fees fully covered by the post-9/11 GI Bill. In student gatherings or via anonymous posts in online forums, some university students are expressing open disdain for former service members now massing in academia.

Student Veterans of America, a support network with more than 500 campus chapters, acknowledges the presence of some unwelcoming vibes. “It exists,” said Michael Dakduk, executive director of SVA. “But, by and large, college students respect the sacrifices made by those who have served in the military.”
At Columbia University in New York City, a wounded Iraq War veteran was heckled and booed in February by fellow students as he argued for the return to that school of the Reserve Officers’ Training Corps, or ROTC, during a campus meeting. That reaction angered the national commander of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, who openly questioned the school’s leadership.

At the University of North Carolina, Wilmington, student veteran Jason Thigpen said he has “personally experienced what seems to be ‘anti-veteran’ sentiment on more than a few occasions.”

“I had a History 101 professor in 2011 actually refer to how much better he was than military service members,” said Thigpen, an Army National Guard member who served in Iraq through January 2010. The UNC “system seems to disregard us in such a widespread manner, most student veterans no longer bother to even admit their time in-service, which is just sad.”


Finally this morning....there are some places out there that aren't even waiting for returning veterans to look for work before snubbing them. In a story from North Carolina, a school administrator lost his job because of his service in the National Guard. Funny thing, that. It's illegal for an employer to terminate an employee over national service. As you would expect...there's a lawsuit in the works.


An Army reservist and Afghanistan veteran alleges in a lawsuit that he lost his job as a North Carolina school administrator because of his military service.

Sgt. 1st Class Dwayne Coffer claims his contract at Warren County High School was not renewed after he was ordered to instruct at an Army leadership course for one month in March 2008, according to court documents filed Friday.

Under the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act of 1994, it is illegal to terminate employment if a person misses work because of a military deployment.

Despite Coffer receiving positive performance reviews from the school’s outgoing principal, he was told by Superintendent Ray Spain in April 2008 that he would not recommend that his contract be renewed, and at first would not tell him why, according to the complaint.

"Spain said that he would provide Coffer with information regarding the reason for his recommendation if Coffer voluntarily resigned,” the complaint states.

Coffer did not resign. Three days later, the school board followed Spain’s recommendation to end Coffer’s employment.

Spain then told Coffer that he made the move because “Coffer had a choice as to whether to take military leave during the school year,” according to the complaint.

When Coffer left for his military assignment in March 2008, he had been appointed acting principal by the principal at the time, who was on medical leave.

When Coffer returned, the administrator who assumed control in his absence refused to turn the job back over to him. That administrator was later named principal following Coffer’s loss of employment, according to court documents.

Coffer is asking for a new contract with the Warren County school system, lost wages since 2008 and other remedies.


It's truly dismaying to see the direction we seem to be headed with regard to our veterans. These are just random snippets, but if it happens in one state, surely there are similar incidents in all 50 that just haven't made the news.

This is entirely wrong.
 

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Comment by wickedpam on 10/23/2012 12:40:18
Morning

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2012 12:56:49
Bayonets and horses!

Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 13:17:31
< this is actually a lovely cup of tea I;m partaking in as I go to the BArn and check my horses and prepare my bayonet.

In the town of Appleton.

Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 13:21:54
I knew it was going to be an interesting debate when the first thing Mitt said was this:
Thank you, Bob. And thank you for agreeing to moderate this debate this evening. Thank you to Lynn University for welcoming us here. And Mr. President, it’s good to be with you again. We were together at a humorous event a little earlier, and it’s nice to maybe funny this time, not on purpose. We’ll see what happens.


Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 13:33:52
Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2012 13:37:04
*chortle, snort*

"ships you can land planes on - aircraft carriers!"

"Boats that go under the water - submarines!"

Like I said last night, utterly devastating. Mitt looked like a total buffoon.


Comment by wickedpam on 10/23/2012 13:40:37
Quote by Raine:
AWKWARD Photo!



I noticed Mitt stuck around this time, but he didn't go to the audience until Obama did.

Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 13:44:23
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
AWKWARD Photo!



I noticed Mitt stuck around this time, but he didn't go to the audience until Obama did.
That was all sorts of wierd to me. Maybe Mitt has a back problem, but it just looked SO strange tome.


Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2012 13:47:55
The Mittbot did look a little frazzled. There was a lot of flop sweat last night.

Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 13:49:59
Quote by Mondobubba:
The Mittbot did look a little frazzled. There was a lot of flop sweat last night.

That explains it. He was short circuiting...

Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 13:58:40
Quote by TriSec:
*chortle, snort*

"ships you can land planes on - aircraft carriers!"

"Boats that go under the water - submarines!"

Like I said last night, utterly devastating. Mitt looked like a total buffoon.
POTUS:
Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military’s changed. We have these things called aircraft carriers, where planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines.And so the question is not a game of Battleship, where we’re counting slips.
BOOM!

Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 14:00:55
HE has done this in EVERY debate:
SCHIEFFER: All right, let’s go. And that leads us — this takes us right to the next segment, Governor, America’s longest war, Afghanistan and Pakistan…
ROMNEY: Bob…
SCHIEFFER: Governor, you get to go first.
ROMNEY: You can’t — but you can’t have the president just lay out a whole series of items without giving me a chance to respond.
SCHIEFFER: With respect, sir, you had laid out quite a program…
ROMNEY: Well, that’s probably true.
SCHIEFFER: We’ll give you — we’ll catch up.


Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 14:06:58
Comment by wickedpam on 10/23/2012 14:09:44



its like she doesn't want to touch anyone and is keeping Mitt in front of her for protection while Michelle is out there shaking hands

Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 14:17:25
Quote by wickedpam:



its like she doesn't want to touch anyone and is keeping Mitt in front of her for protection while Michelle is out there shaking hands
It was so strange.


Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/23/2012 14:20:18
Gonna have to download the debate again. I know there's no chance of me staying up late enough to watch the whole thing. Damn west coast bias.

My biggest fear is that all these early votes somehow get "lost". Especially in the swing states.

Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 14:23:10
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Gonna have to download the debate again. I know there's no chance of me staying up late enough to watch the whole thing. Damn west coast bias.

My biggest fear is that all these early votes somehow get "lost". Especially in the swing states.
It was really a decent debate.

I read something very promising over at ThinkProgress


Comment by Scoopster on 10/23/2012 14:24:20
Mornin' all..

I'm still fucking annoyed by Rmoney's dumb smirk whenever he wasn't lying spewing garbage talking.

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2012 14:28:50
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
The Mittbot did look a little frazzled. There was a lot of flop sweat last night.

That explains it. He was short circuiting...



Since the Mittbot's O/S is CP/M and the programming is all done BASIC, it is very easy for him to crash.

Comment by wickedpam on 10/23/2012 14:35:53
gawd its only 10:30??

Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 14:49:27
NYT editorial was

At his worst, Mr. Romney sounded like a beauty pageant contestant groping for an answer to the final question. “We want a peaceful planet,” he said. “We want people to be able to enjoy their lives and know they’re going to have a bright and prosperous future and not be at war.”
Bober mentioned it last night... he sounded like Miss Teen South carolina.
http://vaneeesa.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/caitlinupton1.jpg


Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 14:58:09
I know wrt to Ask a Vet Tri wanted to hear more about Vets issues I think that should have been part of the first and second debates -- so it sorta got glossed over in these debates, But -- last night POTUS did say this:


But what I think the American people recognize is after a decade of war it’s time to do some nation building here at home. And what we can now do is free up some resources, to, for example, put Americans back to work, especially our veterans, rebuilding our roads, our bridges, our schools, making sure that, you know, our veterans are getting the care that they need when it comes to post-traumatic stress disorder and traumatic brain injury, making sure that the certifications that they need for good jobs of the future are in place.

OBAMA: You know, I was having lunch with some — a veteran in Minnesota who had been a medic dealing with the most extreme circumstances. When he came home and he wanted to become a nurse, he had to start from scratch. And what we’ve said is let’s change those certifications. The first lady has done great work with an organization called Joining Forces putting our veterans back to work. And as a consequence, veterans’ unemployment is actually now lower than general population. It was higher when I came into office.

So those are the kinds of things that we can now do because we’re making that transition in Afghanistan.



Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2012 15:07:40
Quote by Raine:
I know wrt to Ask a Vet Tri wanted to hear more about Vets issues I think that should have been part of the first and second debates -- so it sorta got glossed over in these debates, But -- last night POTUS did say this:



You've made me remember something....long ago, when I went to EMT School (circa 1994), there was a veteran in the class with us. (Operation Desert Storm.) He'd been in combat, saw more and treated more desparate injuries than any big-city EMT would ever see in his career.

The gentleman had to start from scratch in class so he had the proper credits in order to take the state exam. Seems to me this is something that could be easily corrected.

Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 15:13:25
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Raine:
I know wrt to Ask a Vet Tri wanted to hear more about Vets issues I think that should have been part of the first and second debates -- so it sorta got glossed over in these debates, But -- last night POTUS did say this:



You've made me remember something....long ago, when I went to EMT School (circa 1994), there was a veteran in the class with us. (Operation Desert Storm.) He'd been in combat, saw more and treated more desparate injuries than any big-city EMT would ever see in his career.

The gentleman had to start from scratch in class so he had the proper credits in order to take the state exam. Seems to me this is something that could be easily corrected.
That's why I thought this was important and I was glad it was mentioned.
When he came home and he wanted to become a nurse, he had to start from scratch. And what we’ve said is let’s change those certifications. The first lady has done great work with an organization called Joining Forces putting our veterans back to work.


Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 15:17:12
Something else from the debate:
SCHIEFFER: Is it time for us to divorce Pakistan?

ROMNEY: No, it’s not time to divorce a nation on Earth that has 100 nuclear weapons and is on the way to double that at some point, a nation that has serious threats from terrorist groups within its nation, as I indicated before, the Taliban, Haqqani Network.
Back in January 2011 The NYT reported:
The United States keeps its estimates of foreign nuclear weapons stockpiles secret, and Pakistan goes to great lengths to hide both the number and location of its weapons. It is particularly wary of the United States, which Pakistan’s military fears has plans to seize the arsenal if it was judged to be at risk of falling into the hands of extremists. Such secrecy makes accurate estimates difficult.

But the most recent estimates, according to officials and outsiders familiar with the American assessments, suggest that the number of deployed weapons now ranges from the mid-90s to more than 110. When Mr. Obama came to office, his aides were told that the arsenal “was in the mid-to-high 70s,” according to one official who had been briefed at the time, though estimates ranged from 60 to 90.
I have to wonder who those officials and outsiders were and if they are the ones consulting with Mitt.



Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 15:30:13
For the record, the word Veterans was mentioned 6 times last night.

All by the President.

Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2012 15:33:41
Pakistan WRT to the "warron terra" is much like the Soviet Union WRT to Nazi Germany.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

I Godwined this, didn't I?

Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 15:48:39
Quote by TriSec:
Pakistan WRT to the "warron terra" is much like the Soviet Union WRT to Nazi Germany.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

I Godwined this, didn't I?
Not every mention of Nazi Germany is Godwin.

I've felt that way about Pakistan myself. The nukes they HAVE is more concerning to me than the Nukes Iran doesn't have.


Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2012 16:05:57
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Raine:
I know wrt to Ask a Vet Tri wanted to hear more about Vets issues I think that should have been part of the first and second debates -- so it sorta got glossed over in these debates, But -- last night POTUS did say this:



You've made me remember something....long ago, when I went to EMT School (circa 1994), there was a veteran in the class with us. (Operation Desert Storm.) He'd been in combat, saw more and treated more desparate injuries than any big-city EMT would ever see in his career.

The gentleman had to start from scratch in class so he had the proper credits in order to take the state exam. Seems to me this is something that could be easily corrected.


I've never quite understood that training for a military MOS like that would count as the class work for a state exam

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2012 16:15:53
Quote by Raine:
Quote by TriSec:
Pakistan WRT to the "warron terra" is much like the Soviet Union WRT to Nazi Germany.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

I Godwined this, didn't I?
Not every mention of Nazi Germany is Godwin.

I've felt that way about Pakistan myself. The nukes they HAVE is more concerning to me than the Nukes Iran doesn't have.


Ummm, YES!

Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 16:27:17
Love this!

Creepy Josh Romney Returns in Third Presidential Debate

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18320lzn0hjmwgif/original.gif



Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2012 16:29:31
Even the one good thing Romney did as governor is falling under the magnifying glass.

(Romney started this, as governor he attendend apparently most soldier's funerals in this Commonwealth quietly and without media - something Deval Patrick still does.)

Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 16:29:53
http://img.gawkerassets.com/post/7/2012/10/soon7.jpg


Comment by wickedpam on 10/23/2012 16:31:50
Quote by Raine:
Love this!

Creepy Josh Romney Returns in Third Presidential Debate

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18320lzn0hjmwgif/original.gif




awesome XD

Comment by clintster on 10/23/2012 16:34:01
Oh my...

http://www.thestranger.com/binary/03a1/1350969877-romney-pegged-debate.jpg


Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 16:37:03
Quote by TriSec:
Even the one good thing Romney did as governor is falling under the magnifying glass.

(Romney started this, as governor he attendend apparently most soldier's funerals in this Commonwealth quietly and without media - something Deval Patrick still does.)
That story is very strange.


Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 16:51:12
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2012 17:14:40
Quote by Raine:
Love this!

Creepy Josh Romney Returns in Third Presidential Debate

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18320lzn0hjmwgif/original.gif




Make the Bad Man go away!

Comment by livingonli on 10/23/2012 17:16:05
Good day, folks. Car was in the shop and does need some work but the part won't be in until tomorrow so I have to bring the car back. At least I can make my closing at 2:30 today.

Speaking of military issues, meteorologist Nicole Mitchell is involved in a lawsuit with the Weather Channel when they dismissed her because she was working as a pilot and going into hurricanes and storms for the military. She's filing a discrimination suit against them since they dismissed her when her military duties conflicted with her Weather Channel shifts. Although since NBC took over the Weather Channel, they have been canning metereologists because they were too old or other factors to trim the staff. And of course the Weather Channel will shift to other programming and focus less on the weather reporting that it was known for.

Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2012 17:22:33
Quote by Raine:
Which Romney son is the creepiest?

I love gawker.


"Josh could play a batman villain as is."

To the Batcave!



Comment by clintster on 10/23/2012 17:26:14
Quote by Raine:
Which Romney son is the creepiest?

I love gawker.


Wait, which son is he?

Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 17:28:46
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Raine:
Which Romney son is the creepiest?

I love gawker.


"Josh could play a batman villain as is."

To the Batcave!

Josh... he's the creepy son.

Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 17:29:29
Quote by clintster:
Quote by Raine:
Which Romney son is the creepiest?

I love gawker.


Wait, which son is he?



Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 17:34:03
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. Car was in the shop and does need some work but the part won't be in until tomorrow so I have to bring the car back. At least I can make my closing at 2:30 today.

Speaking of military issues, meteorologist Nicole Mitchell is involved in a lawsuit with the Weather Channel when they dismissed her because she was working as a pilot and going into hurricanes and storms for the military. She's filing a discrimination suit against them since they dismissed her when her military duties conflicted with her Weather Channel shifts. Although since NBC took over the Weather Channel, they have been canning metereologists because they were too old or other factors to trim the staff. And of course the Weather Channel will shift to other programming and focus less on the weather reporting that it was known for.
Wow, I hadn't heard of this.

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!
Former on-air meteorologist and Air Force Reserve Capt. Nicole Mitchell has filed a lawsuit against the station, NBC/Universal, Bain Capital and the Blackstone Group after she was let go and did not have her contract renewed due to her military commitments conflicting with her work.

Mitchell claims that support for her and her military commitments went from “day to night” after management at The Weather Channel changed hands in 2008. The lawsuit states that the new regime told Mitchell that her military schedule “impacts everyone.”


Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2012 17:55:36
Quote by Raine:
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. Car was in the shop and does need some work but the part won't be in until tomorrow so I have to bring the car back. At least I can make my closing at 2:30 today.

Speaking of military issues, meteorologist Nicole Mitchell is involved in a lawsuit with the Weather Channel when they dismissed her because she was working as a pilot and going into hurricanes and storms for the military. She's filing a discrimination suit against them since they dismissed her when her military duties conflicted with her Weather Channel shifts. Although since NBC took over the Weather Channel, they have been canning metereologists because they were too old or other factors to trim the staff. And of course the Weather Channel will shift to other programming and focus less on the weather reporting that it was known for.
Wow, I hadn't heard of this.

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!
Former on-air meteorologist and Air Force Reserve Capt. Nicole Mitchell has filed a lawsuit against the station, NBC/Universal, Bain Capital and the Blackstone Group after she was let go and did not have her contract renewed due to her military commitments conflicting with her work.

Mitchell claims that support for her and her military commitments went from “day to night” after management at The Weather Channel changed hands in 2008. The lawsuit states that the new regime told Mitchell that her military schedule “impacts everyone.”



Bain, they are everywhere, doing all that is possible to embarrass Mitt.

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2012 18:02:02
I weep for this country sometimes. How many web forms are there in the world? How many of them have required fields. How hard is it follow the written instructions?

Comment by TriSec on 10/23/2012 18:42:19
Quote by Mondobubba:
I weep for this country sometimes. How many web forms are there in the world? How many of them have required fields. How hard is it follow the written instructions?


No hablan ingles, senor. Donde esta el formo en espanol?

Or is it the aged, withery types that Florida is known for causing your confusion and delay today?


Comment by Raine on 10/23/2012 19:05:58
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/23/2012 19:10:54
Mike Papantonio is in for the first and last hours of the Thom Hartmann Program.

As for myself, I have some bad news. I did not get the English teacher job at the Chicago Public School that I interviewed at last week. So, after doing some more housework, I will check for some local jobs and later today check for teaching jobs in the Bay State.

As for Mitt Romney, I think that we have to get every vote out there. I hate to sound cynical, but I expect vote theft and voter intimidation. If Mitt loses, I wonder if the GOP will split along a few different lines such as the Tea Party, the Wall Street Crowd and the Religious Right.

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/23/2012 19:27:44
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Mondobubba:
I weep for this country sometimes. How many web forms are there in the world? How many of them have required fields. How hard is it follow the written instructions?


No hablan ingles, senor. Donde esta el formo en espanol?

Or is it the aged, withery types that Florida is known for causing your confusion and delay today?


93% of adults in this country have Facebook accounts. About that same percentage of people are completely clueless about using their Facebook accounts to their advantage.