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Pulling the Trigger on the Fiscal Cliff
Author: Raine
Date: 11/26/2012 15:13:15
All this talk of the fiscal cliff is nothing more than GOP-created and media-fueled chaotic hysterics, nothing more - nothing less. I'm going to go back to our blog archives to lay out the background. On August 1 2011 I wrote of the *deal* that was cut after the Republicans made hay out of raising the Debt ceiling. The deal was made nearly a year and a half ago after the GOP requested this super committee be formed in return fo ra clean debt ceiling vote:
The result was what used to be called the *trigger*
The trigger has been rebranded to add an extra touch of hysteria and is now being called The Fiscal Cliff™ due to the failure of the Super Committee. The were given 4 months to apporve of 1.2 trillion dollars in deficit reduction. Those four months came and went and when the Super Committee proved to not be so super, I had this to say:
On August 21 2011 Greg Sargent wrote in WaPo's PlumLine: Basically, here we are a year later, and nothing has changed. Congressional obstruction continues and the media is failing at the one job it has: to properly inform and report.
In All Fairness, I'm sticking with the prediction I made last July.
and 
Raine
I perused this quick face sheet from WaPo. You should too. I refuse to become part of the outrage brigade that I am seeing all over so many social networking sights.
I will remind people of this, with regard to a "Clean Debt Ceiling" vote (especially for those that wanted it) we actually had one back in May.We were told of this back in April. You can see that at that point, the White house released this information: FACT SHEET: The President's Framework for Shared Prosperity and Shared Fiscal Responsibility. I think it's important to compare it to the "Deal" that we are going to see voted on today: Fact Sheet: Bipartisan Debt Deal: A Win for the Economy and Budget Discipline -- and what is MOST important to me, is that there are NO Cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. In other words: The Ryan Budget deal appears to be dead. The agreement that is out there now, looks eerily similar to the one the White House sought. Considering there is a Republican majority in the House, I'm surprised the end result isn't far worse.From the beginning, the Obama White House wanted a "clean" hike to the debt ceiling... in other words, an increase not tied to any substantial spending reforms or cuts.
That dream just died.
In a largely symbolic vote, the clean hike failed 318-97.
The result was what used to be called the *trigger*
If the congressional committee fails to result in approval of at least $1.2 trillion in defict reduction, automatic across-the-board cuts of $1.2 trillion would be enacted in agency budgets, split half and half between domestic programs and defense. Programs for the poor, including Medicaid and Social Security, would be exempted. But Medicare payments to providers could be hit.
The trigger has been rebranded to add an extra touch of hysteria and is now being called The Fiscal Cliff™ due to the failure of the Super Committee. The were given 4 months to apporve of 1.2 trillion dollars in deficit reduction. Those four months came and went and when the Super Committee proved to not be so super, I had this to say:
For a little background:Now, I am going to ask for your reading patience here today.Under the deal President Obama signed on Tuesday, the top four Republican and Democratic leaders in Congress will each appoint three members to a special committee that must recommend by November 23 at least $1.5 trillion in additional deficit reduction through 2021. If a majority of committee members endorse a proposal, that plan is guaranteed a floor vote in both chambers by December 23 without amendment or Senate filibuster.
Those rules provide this group with vastly more leverage to stabilize the nation’s finances than any previous commission has possessed. The procedures effectively preempt a minority veto—either through the Senate filibuster or the informal House rule that legislation reaches the floor only if a “majority of the majority” party supports it. Because a majority proposal from the committee could be passed with any combination of Republican and Democratic votes, it provides a unique opportunity for the center of both parties to impose a balanced solution on the ideological vanguard of left and right.
You will recall that a failure for the super committee to come to a (simple) majority consensus would cause a trigger.You will recall that in lieu of this trigger the President offered his own ideas to cut the deficit. From Think Progress:* Crucially, Obama will vow to veto any entitlement cuts if revenue increases are not part of the solution.
That last one is key — a veto threat is a line the White House was unwilling to draw during the fall of 2010, when the battle over extending the Bush tax cuts was in full swing.What’s in it?
Well, $1.5 trillion of it is higher taxes. About half of that is the expiration of the “rich people only” portion of the Bush tax cuts. The rest comes from closing loopholes and for the proposed new millionaire’s minimum tax so that high-income individuals won’t be paying lower marginal rates than the middle class.
Then you have about $1 trillion in war savings as the fighting winds down in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Last, you have the domestic spending element. That includes changes worth $248 billion to Medicare and $72 billion to Medicaid which the administration is promising fall on providers rather than patients and don’t involve any deep changes to the basic nature of the programs... There are also some other domestic spending cuts, worth about $200 billion...
the “other” cuts, which are as follows:
— $33 billion from agriculture subsidies.
— $42.5 billion from Federal employee retirement benefits, on both the civilian and military side.
— $4.1 billion from the disposal of unused government assets.
— $92.2 billion from restructuring government operations and reducing government liabilities.
— $77.6 billion from improving Federal program management and reducing waste and abuse.
Go back and look at what the trigger is. It's actually pretty much what the President wanted all along. He is willing to make cuts all over the place. The GOP is balking at cutting defense spending (and of course -- raising taxes for the rich)
But since the press is going to be obsessing over the supercommittee’s failure for days to come, and since we will be inundated with reams of bogus false equivalence reporting about it, it’s worth stating as clearly as possible what really transpired.
And so: Any news outlet that doesn’t leave readers and viewers with an absolutely clear sense that the primary sticking point was over whether the rich should see their contribution to deficit reduction increase or decrease is letting down its customers.
In All Fairness, I'm sticking with the prediction I made last July.
President Obama has been consistent and steadfast. He promised to return to this issue in 2010. Last time around we saw DADT repealed, we have had the ACA upheld in court -- he is keeping his promises in spite of the obstacles thrown his way. Don't believe me? Look here. The GOP fought EVERY one of those items.
We will see tax fairness this year. I believe the GOP has run out of excuses. Obama gave them the tax cut extension 2 years ago, in return for DADT being repealed-- and the economy reacted exactly as many suspected. While some may criticize President Obama for not doing things fast enough, perhaps the long game is worth it in the end.
and Raine
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Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 11/26/2012 13:41:34
trojanrabbit on 11/26/2012 13:41:34
Morning all
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 11/26/2012 13:55:08
Mondobubba on 11/26/2012 13:55:08
Morning. :grunt:
Comment by 
TriSec on 11/26/2012 13:56:33
TriSec on 11/26/2012 13:56:33
Earliest I've been awake in 4 days. Grunt.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 11/26/2012 13:57:24
wickedpam on 11/26/2012 13:57:24
Morning 
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/26/2012 13:59:25
I see your grunt and raise you a grumble.
Mondobubba on 11/26/2012 13:59:25
Quote by TriSec:
Earliest I've been awake in 4 days. Grunt.
I see your grunt and raise you a grumble.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/26/2012 14:02:33
Mondobubba on 11/26/2012 14:02:33
By all rights I should be at home, trying to recover from the stomach bug that has been plaguing since Saturday. Due to late capitalism and a non-union shop we have a little rule here, if you call out on the day after or the day before a holiday, you don't get paid for it.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/26/2012 14:10:07
same here but only for those on a time clock - which sucks.
You had to work Friday too?
wickedpam on 11/26/2012 14:10:07
Quote by Mondobubba:
By all rights I should be at home, trying to recover from the stomach bug that has been plaguing since Saturday. Due to late capitalism and a non-union shop we have a little rule here, if you call out on the day after or the day before a holiday, you don't get paid for it.
same here but only for those on a time clock - which sucks.
You had to work Friday too?
Comment by TriSec on 11/26/2012 14:12:02
Throw up on your manager, then. That usually works. (Try not to touch off a chain-reaction, though.)
TriSec on 11/26/2012 14:12:02
Quote by Mondobubba:
By all rights I should be at home, trying to recover from the stomach bug that has been plaguing since Saturday. Due to late capitalism and a non-union shop we have a little rule here, if you call out on the day after or the day before a holiday, you don't get paid for it.
Throw up on your manager, then. That usually works. (Try not to touch off a chain-reaction, though.)
Comment by trojanrabbit on 11/26/2012 14:12:27
trojanrabbit on 11/26/2012 14:12:27
I'm here working for as long as I feel like it, then I'll probably take the rest of the week off. Don't expect Dad's funeral to happen until Thursday. I think the only thing that will happen if I stay home today is that I'll just go nucking futs. Better to keep my mind on work today.
My sister is staying with my mother for the next couple of days so she won't be alone.
Hmm....a newspaper charges almost $300 for a death notice......guess they need to tap all the revenue sources they can...
My sister is staying with my mother for the next couple of days so she won't be alone.
Hmm....a newspaper charges almost $300 for a death notice......guess they need to tap all the revenue sources they can...
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/26/2012 14:18:41
Mondobubba on 11/26/2012 14:18:41
Christian Wackadoodles are vexing me 1st thing in the morning.
Comment by TriSec on 11/26/2012 14:20:15
TriSec on 11/26/2012 14:20:15
Hey, TR...wanna buy a pair of speakers?
I just took them out of my mother's house - I'd have to guess 70s vintage. They do still work, but volume seems low and it's only the tweeter and midrange in the box.
They are a brand called "Ambient". I have no other information at this time.
I just took them out of my mother's house - I'd have to guess 70s vintage. They do still work, but volume seems low and it's only the tweeter and midrange in the box.
They are a brand called "Ambient". I have no other information at this time.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/26/2012 14:22:14
No. Had that off
Mondobubba on 11/26/2012 14:22:14
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
By all rights I should be at home, trying to recover from the stomach bug that has been plaguing since Saturday. Due to late capitalism and a non-union shop we have a little rule here, if you call out on the day after or the day before a holiday, you don't get paid for it.
same here but only for those on a time clock - which sucks.
You had to work Friday too?
No. Had that off
Comment by TriSec on 11/26/2012 14:23:00
"Thanks for calling this morning. Allahu Ackbar."
TriSec on 11/26/2012 14:23:00
Quote by Mondobubba:
Christian Wackadoodles are vexing me 1st thing in the morning.
"Thanks for calling this morning. Allahu Ackbar."
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/26/2012 14:27:11
Some young Earther who has geological proof fro the earth only being 6,000 years old.
Mondobubba on 11/26/2012 14:27:11
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Christian Wackadoodles are vexing me 1st thing in the morning.
"Thanks for calling this morning. Allahu Ackbar."
Some young Earther who has geological proof fro the earth only being 6,000 years old.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 11/26/2012 14:27:50
We only have one "entertainment" setup and that's in the living room. We don't really have need for anything else in the apartment.
Thanks anyway.
trojanrabbit on 11/26/2012 14:27:50
Quote by TriSec:
Hey, TR...wanna buy a pair of speakers?
I just took them out of my mother's house - I'd have to guess 70s vintage. They do still work, but volume seems low and it's only the tweeter and midrange in the box.
They are a brand called "Ambient". I have no other information at this time.
We only have one "entertainment" setup and that's in the living room. We don't really have need for anything else in the apartment.
Thanks anyway.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 11/26/2012 14:31:48
trojanrabbit on 11/26/2012 14:31:48
Seems that Corporate has found a very inventive way for dealing with Cyber Monday.
There's a major firewall problem at the corporate offices in Europe and all internet access for the European factories is down. The effect will ripple through the rest of the company, slowing down all internet access.
Email has been pretty much out.
There's a major firewall problem at the corporate offices in Europe and all internet access for the European factories is down. The effect will ripple through the rest of the company, slowing down all internet access.
Email has been pretty much out.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 11/26/2012 15:13:39
Scoopster on 11/26/2012 15:13:39
Mornin' all.. 
Nothing like stupid networking/voice mail issues when you get back from a week's vacation!
Nothing like stupid networking/voice mail issues when you get back from a week's vacation!
Comment by 
Raine on 11/26/2012 15:26:32
Raine on 11/26/2012 15:26:32
It feels so good to be back home...
Rabbit, how are you doing?
Rabbit, how are you doing?
Comment by Raine on 11/26/2012 15:32:25
Raine on 11/26/2012 15:32:25
Blog is posted.
This one is worth a bookmark. Lots of debunking about this stupid idiotic fake Fiscal Cliff.
This one is worth a bookmark. Lots of debunking about this stupid idiotic fake Fiscal Cliff.
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 11/26/2012 15:32:34
Will in Chicago on 11/26/2012 15:32:34
Good morning, bloggers!! Raine, thanks for a great blog.
I think that the GOP may well not move on a deal, and it may be up to the new Congress to act. I do not want to see our social safety net cut, as these programs (SSI, Medicare, Medicaid) are not entitlements but insurance from poverty.
As for Ehud Barak, I am surprised. Haaretz, the liberal Israeli daily, has an analysis.
I think that the GOP may well not move on a deal, and it may be up to the new Congress to act. I do not want to see our social safety net cut, as these programs (SSI, Medicare, Medicaid) are not entitlements but insurance from poverty.
As for Ehud Barak, I am surprised. Haaretz, the liberal Israeli daily, has an analysis.
After failing as a politician, Barak's decision to quit was inevitable
Even if Barak will be part of the next government, he will wield even less influence than he does currently; this means that the next government’s policies will turn even more to the right.
By Aluf Benn | Nov.26, 2012 | 4:25 PM
Ehud Barak understood that he had no chance of crossing the electoral threshold in the January election so instead of conducting a campaign that would end in public humiliation and debts, he decided to cut his losses and forgo contending as the head of the Atzmaut party.
If Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wants him as defense minister in his next government, he will have to name him as a “professional appointment.†And if the two of them decide during the three months or so left in their current tenures to attack Iran – as Barak seemed to hint in Monday’s announcement when he declared “I promise you there will be lots of security challenges,†it would be a thunderous end to a stormy political career that was full of reverses and positioned him as “the man everyone loved to hate.â€
Barak has been one of the most substantial influences on Israel’s strategic thinking over the past generation, and to a great extent he was its primary architect, akin to Moshe Dayan during the 1950s and ’60s. He led the Israel Defense Forces’ technological revolution and helped equip the army with guided missile systems and unmanned aerial vehicles that now play a major role in military missions.
He initiated and carried out the withdrawal from Lebanon in 2000, which served as the inspiration for the Gaza disengagement that followed. The peace proposals he made to then-Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat in 2000 at Camp David, which later contributed to the formulation of the “Clinton parameters,†are still regarded as a reasonable outline for dividing the land between Israel and a Palestinian state, and served as the basis for the erection of the security barrier in the West Bank.
Comment by Raine on 11/26/2012 15:33:09
good morning!
Raine on 11/26/2012 15:33:09
good morning!
Comment by Raine on 11/26/2012 15:36:27
The thing is, the original trigger-- which happened -- makes sure that there are NO Cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. The link is in the blog.
Raine on 11/26/2012 15:36:27
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Good morning, bloggers!! Raine, thanks for a great blog.
I think that the GOP may well not move on a deal, and it may be up to the new Congress to act. I do not want to see our social safety net cut, as these programs (SSI, Medicare, Medicaid) are not entitlements but insurance from poverty.
Comment by TriSec on 11/26/2012 15:44:42
TriSec on 11/26/2012 15:44:42
And now enjoying a properly brewed pot of English Tea.
Although I'm 50 miles from Griffith Wharf instead of 1...
* smashes chest, dumps it in Lake Quinsigamond *
Although I'm 50 miles from Griffith Wharf instead of 1...
* smashes chest, dumps it in Lake Quinsigamond *
Comment by trojanrabbit on 11/26/2012 15:48:31
Doing OK, thanks. Work is keeping me occupied. I'll probably work most of the day then take the rest of the week off. My boss just went through the same thing about a month ago, so we both understand.
Trying to rig something up so people here can run the RF chamber in my absence. I can set things up to run off the XP admin account but there won't be any network access (which isn't really needed). Just want to make sure everything works as it should. The fact that the corporate network is acting up is making things a little difficult.
trojanrabbit on 11/26/2012 15:48:31
Quote by Raine:
It feels so good to be back home...
Rabbit, how are you doing?
Doing OK, thanks. Work is keeping me occupied. I'll probably work most of the day then take the rest of the week off. My boss just went through the same thing about a month ago, so we both understand.
Trying to rig something up so people here can run the RF chamber in my absence. I can set things up to run off the XP admin account but there won't be any network access (which isn't really needed). Just want to make sure everything works as it should. The fact that the corporate network is acting up is making things a little difficult.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/26/2012 15:48:45
I expect the GOP to try to gut programs that they have imposed from their inception. Mind you, I think that we have to get the word out on what the GOP intends to do and mobilize the public against it.
Will in Chicago on 11/26/2012 15:48:45
Quote by Raine:The thing is, the original trigger-- which happened -- makes sure that there are NO Cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. The link is in the blog.Quote by Will in Chicago:
Good morning, bloggers!! Raine, thanks for a great blog.
I think that the GOP may well not move on a deal, and it may be up to the new Congress to act. I do not want to see our social safety net cut, as these programs (SSI, Medicare, Medicaid) are not entitlements but insurance from poverty.
I expect the GOP to try to gut programs that they have imposed from their inception. Mind you, I think that we have to get the word out on what the GOP intends to do and mobilize the public against it.
Comment by TriSec on 11/26/2012 15:55:44
TriSec on 11/26/2012 15:55:44
See now, I'm actually leaning towards the other opinion.
"Fiscal Cliff"? GOP Blocking any deal like always?
GO AHEAD. Drive us over!
With the GOP in a tailspin after the election, if it happens this could very well be the deathblow.
But that's just me. Intellectually I know it would be a disaster, just listening to my gut at the moment. Hey, it worked for W, right?
"Fiscal Cliff"? GOP Blocking any deal like always?
GO AHEAD. Drive us over!
With the GOP in a tailspin after the election, if it happens this could very well be the deathblow.
But that's just me. Intellectually I know it would be a disaster, just listening to my gut at the moment. Hey, it worked for W, right?
Comment by Raine on 11/26/2012 15:58:40
I think they are trying to do that as well.
The thing is, I don't think they can. This was voted into law. By law, the trigger went into place. In order for the GOP to renege, they are going to have to pass another law.
Something that a lot of people aren't talking about is the expiration of the Bush Tax cuts. This is actually separate from the deal.
Obama said that he would extend the Bush tax cuts for 2 more years if the GOP wanted the Super Committee. They agreed -- now they are trying to pretend this all didn't happen.
It happened.
So here we are.
Raine on 11/26/2012 15:58:40
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Raine:The thing is, the original trigger-- which happened -- makes sure that there are NO Cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. The link is in the blog.Quote by Will in Chicago:
Good morning, bloggers!! Raine, thanks for a great blog.
I think that the GOP may well not move on a deal, and it may be up to the new Congress to act. I do not want to see our social safety net cut, as these programs (SSI, Medicare, Medicaid) are not entitlements but insurance from poverty.
I expect the GOP to try to gut programs that they have imposed from their inception. Mind you, I think that we have to get the word out on what the GOP intends to do and mobilize the public against it.
The thing is, I don't think they can. This was voted into law. By law, the trigger went into place. In order for the GOP to renege, they are going to have to pass another law.
Something that a lot of people aren't talking about is the expiration of the Bush Tax cuts. This is actually separate from the deal.
Obama said that he would extend the Bush tax cuts for 2 more years if the GOP wanted the Super Committee. They agreed -- now they are trying to pretend this all didn't happen.
It happened.
So here we are.
Comment by Raine on 11/26/2012 16:06:12
There is no fiscal cliff. The trigger happened a year ago -- November 23, 2011. The ONLY bargaining chip the GOP has is the Bush Tax cuts -- and that is no chip. Defense will be cutsthe same way admin costs to the social safety net will be cut. People will still get the same benefits.
The media is conflating the Bush Tax cuts and the deficit reduction *super committee* failing.
Hell,the Dems are ready with a bill to re-reduce taxes should the GOP force the POTUS' hand into a veto about the middle class tax cuts. I've never been so sure about something as this phony drama.
One party is willing to make cuts with a scalpel -- the other wants the middle class to pay. This time, I don;t think the GOP is going to succeed,
Raine on 11/26/2012 16:06:12
Quote by TriSec:
See now, I'm actually leaning towards the other opinion.
"Fiscal Cliff"? GOP Blocking any deal like always?
GO AHEAD. Drive us over!
With the GOP in a tailspin after the election, if it happens this could very well be the deathblow.
But that's just me. Intellectually I know it would be a disaster, just listening to my gut at the moment. Hey, it worked for W, right?
The media is conflating the Bush Tax cuts and the deficit reduction *super committee* failing.
Hell,the Dems are ready with a bill to re-reduce taxes should the GOP force the POTUS' hand into a veto about the middle class tax cuts. I've never been so sure about something as this phony drama.
One party is willing to make cuts with a scalpel -- the other wants the middle class to pay. This time, I don;t think the GOP is going to succeed,
Comment by wickedpam on 11/26/2012 16:07:35
wickedpam on 11/26/2012 16:07:35
Of course Sexy Liberal is going to be in DC in January 
Once again there goes my chance of seeing it
Once again there goes my chance of seeing it
Comment by Raine on 11/26/2012 16:10:08
Raine on 11/26/2012 16:10:08
I'm kinda disappointed that Current and the SMS show is supporting the Salvation Army considering their stance on LGBT equality.
Comment by Raine on 11/26/2012 16:10:52
How can I entice you to come visit?
Raine on 11/26/2012 16:10:52
Quote by wickedpam:
Of course Sexy Liberal is going to be in DC in January
Once again there goes my chance of seeing it
Comment by Raine on 11/26/2012 16:12:34
Raine on 11/26/2012 16:12:34
Ok, I am glad to hear this from the Salvation Army -- HOWEVER: Not discriminating is different from supporting.
I will do my best to research this in the future.
I will do my best to research this in the future.
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 11/26/2012 16:16:53
velveeta jones on 11/26/2012 16:16:53
Morning! Home today waiting for a plumber. *sigh*
Stupid I heart radio. My stream keeps dying! UG.
Stupid I heart radio. My stream keeps dying! UG.
Comment by 
BobR on 11/26/2012 16:19:04
tickets
BobR on 11/26/2012 16:19:04
Quote by Raine:How can I entice you to come visit?Quote by wickedpam:
Of course Sexy Liberal is going to be in DC in January
Once again there goes my chance of seeing it
tickets
Comment by TriSec on 11/26/2012 16:20:23
Methodists - another enemy of Scouting, too.
TriSec on 11/26/2012 16:20:23
Quote by Raine:
I'm kinda disappointed that Current and the SMS show is supporting the Salvation Army considering their stance on LGBT equality.
Methodists - another enemy of Scouting, too.
Comment by BobR on 11/26/2012 16:24:07
uh oh. I hope it's nothing serious (regarding the plumber, not the radio)
BobR on 11/26/2012 16:24:07
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning! Home today waiting for a plumber. *sigh*
Stupid I heart radio. My stream keeps dying! UG.
uh oh. I hope it's nothing serious (regarding the plumber, not the radio)
Comment by Raine on 11/26/2012 16:27:01
Meh. Too much dinero for the meet and greet. Plus there are other things... not necessarily SLS show related.
Raine on 11/26/2012 16:27:01
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:How can I entice you to come visit?Quote by wickedpam:
Of course Sexy Liberal is going to be in DC in January
Once again there goes my chance of seeing it
tickets
Meh. Too much dinero for the meet and greet. Plus there are other things... not necessarily SLS show related.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/26/2012 16:27:49
I like what Chris Hayes called it, "The Fiscal Curb." As he pointed out if they don't get a deal done by 1/1/13, Congress can make thing retroactive to the 1st of the year. They do this all the time.
Mondobubba on 11/26/2012 16:27:49
Quote by Raine:
Blog is posted.
This one is worth a bookmark. Lots of debunking about this stupid idiotic fake Fiscal Cliff.
I like what Chris Hayes called it, "The Fiscal Curb." As he pointed out if they don't get a deal done by 1/1/13, Congress can make thing retroactive to the 1st of the year. They do this all the time.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/26/2012 16:30:12
Change the weather patterns so there is not a single chance of snow or ice the week before and that whole weekend.
I hate winter anymore - scratch that I hate snow and ice
wickedpam on 11/26/2012 16:30:12
Quote by Raine:How can I entice you to come visit?Quote by wickedpam:
Of course Sexy Liberal is going to be in DC in January
Once again there goes my chance of seeing it
Change the weather patterns so there is not a single chance of snow or ice the week before and that whole weekend.
I hate winter anymore - scratch that I hate snow and ice
Comment by Raine on 11/26/2012 16:30:50
Not trying to be obtuse, but what is there to get done? Retro-activate what?
Raine on 11/26/2012 16:30:50
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Blog is posted.
This one is worth a bookmark. Lots of debunking about this stupid idiotic fake Fiscal Cliff.
I like what Chris Hayes called it, "The Fiscal Curb." As he pointed out if they don't get a deal done by 1/1/13, Congress can make thing retroactive to the 1st of the year. They do this all the time.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/26/2012 16:31:25
which station - the MIc is usually pretty reliable
wickedpam on 11/26/2012 16:31:25
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning! Home today waiting for a plumber. *sigh*
Stupid I heart radio. My stream keeps dying! UG.
which station - the MIc is usually pretty reliable
Comment by wickedpam on 11/26/2012 16:33:00
eeesh, I didn't even look at the prices
well that is inauguration weekend
wickedpam on 11/26/2012 16:33:00
Quote by Raine:Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:How can I entice you to come visit?Quote by wickedpam:
Of course Sexy Liberal is going to be in DC in January
Once again there goes my chance of seeing it
tickets
Meh. Too much dinero for the meet and greet. Plus there are other things... not necessarily SLS show related.
eeesh, I didn't even look at the prices
well that is inauguration weekend
Comment by velveeta jones on 11/26/2012 16:33:10
rarely do I get a minor problem....... so, yeah. But hey, its still a high class problem. I mean, when you think how many people in the world don't have access to clean water.
OT: Saw FLIGHT last night. WOW!!!! Super good, but not recommended if you fly often or, are about to fly. Otherwise, really good.
velveeta jones on 11/26/2012 16:33:10
Quote by BobR:Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning! Home today waiting for a plumber. *sigh*
Stupid I heart radio. My stream keeps dying! UG.
uh oh. I hope it's nothing serious (regarding the plumber, not the radio)
rarely do I get a minor problem....... so, yeah. But hey, its still a high class problem. I mean, when you think how many people in the world don't have access to clean water.
OT: Saw FLIGHT last night. WOW!!!! Super good, but not recommended if you fly often or, are about to fly. Otherwise, really good.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/26/2012 16:34:34
I think what a lot of people are worried about here is all the companies that fill the government contracts that are centered in NoVA and MD
wickedpam on 11/26/2012 16:34:34
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Blog is posted.
This one is worth a bookmark. Lots of debunking about this stupid idiotic fake Fiscal Cliff.
I like what Chris Hayes called it, "The Fiscal Curb." As he pointed out if they don't get a deal done by 1/1/13, Congress can make thing retroactive to the 1st of the year. They do this all the time.
I think what a lot of people are worried about here is all the companies that fill the government contracts that are centered in NoVA and MD
Comment by Raine on 11/26/2012 16:38:16
Raine on 11/26/2012 16:38:16
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:How can I entice you to come visit?Quote by wickedpam:
Of course Sexy Liberal is going to be in DC in January
Once again there goes my chance of seeing it
Change the weather patterns so there is not a single chance of snow or ice the week before and that whole weekend.
I hate winter anymore - scratch that I hate snow and ice
Comment by wickedpam on 11/26/2012 16:39:05
wickedpam on 11/26/2012 16:39:05
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:How can I entice you to come visit?Quote by wickedpam:
Of course Sexy Liberal is going to be in DC in January
Once again there goes my chance of seeing it
Change the weather patterns so there is not a single chance of snow or ice the week before and that whole weekend.
I hate winter anymore - scratch that I hate snow and ice
Comment by Raine on 11/26/2012 16:41:01
I know... but -- (you know me and my buts) The contracting cuts aren't going to happen over night-- they will be scaled back thru attrition.
The Gov't isn't going to flat out cancel contracts.
The cuts are going to happen over about 10 years.
Raine on 11/26/2012 16:41:01
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Blog is posted.
This one is worth a bookmark. Lots of debunking about this stupid idiotic fake Fiscal Cliff.
I like what Chris Hayes called it, "The Fiscal Curb." As he pointed out if they don't get a deal done by 1/1/13, Congress can make thing retroactive to the 1st of the year. They do this all the time.
I think what a lot of people are worried about here is all the companies that fill the government contracts that are centered in NoVA and MD
I know... but -- (you know me and my buts) The contracting cuts aren't going to happen over night-- they will be scaled back thru attrition.
The Gov't isn't going to flat out cancel contracts.
The cuts are going to happen over about 10 years.
Comment by velveeta jones on 11/26/2012 16:41:52
keeps saying the "I heart radio" is down. Methinks they want my info (to subscribe).
velveeta jones on 11/26/2012 16:41:52
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning! Home today waiting for a plumber. *sigh*
Stupid I heart radio. My stream keeps dying! UG.
which station - the MIc is usually pretty reliable
keeps saying the "I heart radio" is down. Methinks they want my info (to subscribe).
Comment by Raine on 11/26/2012 16:44:55
From one of the links in das blog post:
NoVa and Maryland and all military contractors have little to be concerned about -- from the Government.
Raine on 11/26/2012 16:44:55
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Blog is posted.
This one is worth a bookmark. Lots of debunking about this stupid idiotic fake Fiscal Cliff.
I like what Chris Hayes called it, "The Fiscal Curb." As he pointed out if they don't get a deal done by 1/1/13, Congress can make thing retroactive to the 1st of the year. They do this all the time.
I think what a lot of people are worried about here is all the companies that fill the government contracts that are centered in NoVA and MDI know... but -- (you know me and my buts) The contracting cuts aren't going to happen over night-- they will be scaled back thru attrition.About $1 trillion in savings over 10 years from discretionary caps. Does not assume savings from winding down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The Gov't isn't going to flat out cancel contracts.
The cuts are going to happen over about 10 years.
NoVa and Maryland and all military contractors have little to be concerned about -- from the Government.
Comment by Raine on 11/26/2012 16:45:38
They keep asking for you to sign up, right?
I don't like that.
Raine on 11/26/2012 16:45:38
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning! Home today waiting for a plumber. *sigh*
Stupid I heart radio. My stream keeps dying! UG.
which station - the MIc is usually pretty reliable
keeps saying the "I heart radio" is down. Methinks they want my info (to subscribe).
I don't like that.