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Author: TriSec    Date: 04/15/2008 10:24:57

Good Morning.

Today is our 1,854th day in Iraq.

We'll start this morning as we always do, with the latest casualty figures courtesy of antiwar.com:

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4035
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3896
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3574
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3176
Since Election (1/31/05): 2598

Other Coalition Troops: 309
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 491


We find this morning's cost of war passing through $ 511, 374, 550, 000.00 I heard yesterday on the Thom Hartmann program that it's costing us $5,000 a second to fight this war....and that's not too far off the mark. Go ahead; check the link and time it yourself.



Checking in with our friends at IAVA, we'll skip the politics today and instead take a look at a brave soldier...for there are honourable men and women that serve with distinction, despite the impossible tasks they've been given.

In 2006, Petty Officer Second Class Michael A. Monsoor died in Iraq while trying to protect the members of his team. On Tuesday, April 9th, he was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor.

CORONADO, Calif. - A Navy SEAL sacrificed his life to save his comrades by throwing himself on top of a grenade Iraqi insurgents tossed into their sniper hideout, fellow members of the elite force said.

Petty Officer 2nd Class Michael A. Monsoor had been near the only door to the rooftop structure Sept. 29 when the grenade hit him in the chest and bounced to the floor, said four SEALs who spoke to The Associated Press this week on condition of anonymity because their work requires their identities to remain secret.

"He never took his eye off the grenade, his only movement was down toward it," said a 28-year-old lieutenant who sustained shrapnel wounds to both legs that day. "He undoubtedly saved mine and the other SEALs' lives, and we owe him."

Monsoor, a 25-year-old gunner, was killed in the explosion in Ramadi, west of Baghdad. He was only the second SEAL to die in Iraq since the war began.

Two SEALs next to Monsoor were injured; another who was 10 to 15 feet from the blast was unhurt. The four had been working with Iraqi soldiers providing sniper security while U.S. and Iraqi forces conducted missions in the area.

In an interview at the SEALs' West Coast headquarters in Coronado, four members of the special force remembered "Mikey" as a loyal friend and a quiet, dedicated professional.

"He was just a fun-loving guy," said a 26-year-old petty officer 2nd class who went through the grueling 29-week SEAL training with Monsoor. "Always got something funny to say, always got a little mischievous look on his face."

Other SEALS described the Garden Grove, Calif., native as a modest and humble man who drew strength from his family and his faith. His father and brother are former Marines, said a 31-year-old petty officer 2nd class.

Prior to his death, Monsoor had already demonstrated courage under fire. He has been posthumously awarded the Silver Star for his actions May 9 in Ramadi, when he and another SEAL pulled a team member shot in the leg to safety while bullets pinged off the ground around them.



You'd think that Officer Monsoor would be honoured with the correct amount of dignity and restraint....but this is the Bush 'administration', and nothing is done without calculation and intent. The award ceremony was last Tuesday, and that was no coincidence.
...For this action, President Bush posthumously awarded Petty Officer Monsoor the Medal of Honor in a White House ceremony yesterday.

Within the military, we decorate our heroes (and Monsoor certainly is one) to reward their bravery and establish their example as one we might aspire to. Monsoor's actions deserve our admiration and awe.

I am deeply disturbed, however, by the White House's unfortunate decision to hold this ceremony on April 8, 2008 -- the same day as the Petraeus and Crocker testimony before Congress. The timing of this ceremony could not have been accidental. It was clearly a political maneuver; an attempt to leverage the personal valor of Petty Officer Monsoor for political gain. That is wrong. Petty Officer Monsoor's sacrifice and valor are worthy of their own day -- not one designed for maximum political advantage.




Changing gears....we'll take a look at the military family to wrap up today. For every soldier, there are parents, siblings, and often wives and children who remain at home and live with the consequences of war. The Pentagon is taking increasing interest in those who have remained behind....as military families often become "secondary casualties" in the warron terra...

Last Sunday's New York Times Sunday Styles section had an article entitled, "After War, Love Can Be a Battlefield" by Leslie Kaufman. The article was about the stresses and strains that the invasion and occupation of Iraq have placed on soldiers' marriages.

Major Levi Dunton told the Times that "he had trouble being involved with his family. He didn't find joy in being a parent to his two boys, 3 and 5 months. Little things made him angry." He made it clear, however, that other soldiers had it a lot worse.

According to the article, "Divorce rates for its personnel have been on the rise since 2003, the first year of war, when they were 2.9 percent. In 2004, divorce rates in the Army soared to 3.9 percent, propelled by a sharp rise in divorce among the usually much more stable officers corps. That rate has dropped, according to Army demographics, to 1.9 percent for officers and 3.5 percent for the entire Army in fiscal year 2007--which represents roughly 8,700 divorces in total. Female soldiers are the exception; they divorce at a rate of about 9 percent."

The Pentagon is trying to address the problem by holding marriage retreats in which they are encouraging spouses to have better communication with each other.

The military's diagnosis of the problem will undoubtedly revolve around the horrors of war and the effect that war has on the psyche of the individual.

That diagnosis is undoubtedly true but perhaps only partly. Unfortunately the military won't be able to have its soldiers confront another probable cause for their depression and malaise--deeply seated guilt over the wrongful killing of other human beings.

American soldiers serving in Iraq know that they will never be criminally prosecuted for killing Iraqis. In their minds, they are loyally serving their government by obeying the orders of their commander in chief. On the conscious level, they convince themselves that they are fighting to preserve America's freedom and values. They are convinced that they are risking their lives for a noble and heroic cause--helping the Iraqi people.

Any priest or psychiatrist will tell you, however, that a person's conscience and subconscious mind cannot be tricked so easily. When a person has engaged in grave wrongdoing, it is virtually impossible for him to escape the consequences of a conscience that begins to eat away at him. Moreover, the subconscious mind begins bedeviling him, producing all types of aberrant and dysfunctional behavior.

While it's true that some people, such as pathological serial killers, seem to experience no guilt or crises of conscience when they kill people, most of the soldiers in Iraq are ordinary Americans for whom the concept of right and wrong is very important to their lives.

My hunch is that U.S. soldiers serving in Iraq who are experiencing despondency, depression, malaise, and disintegrating family life are suffering from much more than post-traumatic-stress-disorder arising from rough battlefield conditions. My hunch is that they are also suffering the consequences of severe guilt arising from being part of a military force that attacked another country needlessly.

Every U.S. soldier knows that none of the people he killed (or maimed) ever attacked the United States and neither did their government or any of their countrymen. Deep down, every U.S. soldier in Iraq knows that he had no moral or legal right to kill the people he killed.

How can the wrongful killing of another human being, even if not subject to criminal prosecution, fail to produce depression, despondency, guilt, and malaise in most soldiers who have done the killing?




I've said it before in this space...my eldest living relative fought in some of the more intense naval battles in the Pacific more than half a century ago...there's things he saw he still won't tell us about. Dr. Maddow once remarked that 'the war won't be over until the last, tortured veteran dies in his sleep 75 years from now.

This is what Bush's legacy will be.


 

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Comment by shelaghc on 04/15/2008 11:57:48
Keep reminding us, Tri. We need to read this kind of information on a regular basis. I do miss Rachel's "ask a vet" segment on her current show, but I appreciate that she still brings in either Paul Reickhoff or the other veteran (whose name escapes me) from VoteVet on Tuesdays.



btw, here are a few important things others might like to keep in mind today:

From Paul Reickhoff:

Thanks to your continued support, the new GI Bill has made some amazing progress in Congress in the last 48 hours. The Bill now has over 50 co-sponsors in the Senate and 188 in the House of Representatives. We are working hard to get it passed this year so our troops can start getting the benefits they deserve as soon as possible.

Today, IAVA ran ads in newspapers across the country, targeting influential Congressmen- both Democrats and Republicans- who haven't yet signed on. We've also launched a new website that will make it even easier for you to get involved in supporting the new GI Bill, at www.GIBill2008.org



At www.GIBill2008.org, you can get the latest updates on the progress of the Bill, see if your representatives have signed on and visit the Action Center. With a single click, you can submit a Letter to the Editor of your local newspaper, write your Senator or Congressman and tell your friends that you support the new GI Bill.



Forward this email on to your friends and let them know just how easy it is to support the new GI Bill. Be sure to check back at www.GIBill2008.org for updates.



Thank you for your support.



Sincerely,



Paul Rieckhoff

Iraq Veteran

Executive Director

Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America


GI Bill 2008



And from Jon Soltz:

Dear VoteVets.org Supporters,



Today, we're delivering your petition signatures to Senator McCain's office, urging him to co-sponsor the new GI Bill, sponsored by Senators Jim Webb and Chuck Hagel. With over 30,000 signatures, your message will be heard loud and clear. Now, let's take the next step.



WRITE YOUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HERE, URGING THEM TO SUPPORT A NEW GI BILL



Take a moment today to use our website to write a letter to your own senators and representative, urging them to back a new GI Bill. We've drafted some text for you, so all you need to do is enter your name and information, and click.



The Post-9/11 Veterans Educational Assistance Act (S.22 & H.R.2702) will restore the promise of a cost-free education to those who serve in the military. The original GI Bill transformed American history, providing education for returning soldiers. The GI Bill not only recognized our nation's moral duty for the enormous sacrifices of our World War II veterans, but it helped create America's middle class and spurred decades of economic growth for our country.



Economists estimate that the original bill returned anywhere between $5 and $13 for every dollar we spent on it. But the original GI Bill has become woefully outdated, to the point where the average benefit doesn't even cover half the cost of an in-state student's education at a public college.



TELL CONGRESS TO RESTORE AMERICA'S PROMISE TO ITS TROOPS



It's time for Congress to really support those who served this nation, in uniform. It's time to pass a 21st Century GI Bill. Do your part, please, and write a letter to Congress now.



Thank you for all of your support.



Sincerely

Jon Soltz

Iraq War Veteran

Chairman, VoteVets.org




And lastly from WesPAC:



Wes Clark co-authored an Op-Ed in the Los Angeles Times, calling on John McCain to co-sponsor a new GI Bill for our veterans.



The following is an excerpt from the Op-Ed:



Sen. John McCain served his nation with honor in Vietnam, and he is right to be proud of his service. But by hedging on whether he will support a "GI Bill for the 21st Century," he is casting doubt on his own commitment to the newest generation of American heroes.



The Post-9/11 Veterans Educational Assistance Act, sponsored by Sens. Jim Webb (D-Va.) and Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.), will restore the promise of a cost-free education to those who serve in the military. The original GI Bill transformed American history, providing education for returning soldiers. The GI Bill not only recognized our nation's moral duty for the enormous sacrifices of our World War II veterans, but it helped create America's middle class and spurred decades of economic growth for our country. Economists estimate that the original bill returned anywhere between $5 and $13 for every dollar we spent on it. But the original GI Bill has become woefully outdated, to the point where the average benefit doesn't even cover half the cost of an in-state student's education at a public college.



The Post-9/11 Veterans Act, which has an estimated cost between $2.5 billion and $4 billion, is common-sense legislation. With 51 cosponsors, including nine Republicans, the three other Vietnam War veterans in the Senate and former Secretary of the Navy John Warner, the bill simply updates what the late historian Stephen Ambrose called "the best piece of legislation ever passed by the U.S. Congress." Yet, faced with unprecedented filibusters, it needs 60 cosponsors. As de facto leader of the party, McCain could signal to other Republicans to sign on to the bill and assure passage.



Instead, McCain has said he hasn't had time to read the bill and isn't sure if he could support it. It's hard to believe that neither he nor anyone on his staff has had time to read such an important bill, which has been around since before he started running for president. But, even if true, McCain must do the right thing now, when his leadership is needed.




To read the entire article, please click here. Once you've read the article, please be sure to forward the link to all of your friends and family. Thank you.



Sincerely,



Catherine Grunden

Executive Director

WesPAC -- Securing America's Future



Wes Clark is calling on John McCain to co-sponsor a new GI Bill. Join Wes Clark and tell John McCain to stand up for our veterans.




Comment by m-hadley on 04/15/2008 12:16:40
mFaye - I've emailed you the .mp3 of the drop you requested. I'll also upload it as an audicon here, tomorrow. In terms of posting it on your web page - I'm not tech savvy enough to know how to do that. BobR and Raine are the blog gurus - perhaps they might have some info to assist in that regard...



BobR or Raine,

Could you help me with this? I'm trying to post an audio clip to my blog, but can't figure it out. Thanks mucho. BTB, I survived my procedure yesterday and let me just say that a colonoscopy recovery room is just like a mensa meeting with farts minus smart people - (most) doctors and nurses excluded, of course!

Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by velveeta jones on 04/15/2008 13:19:30
Morning all! Great post as usual TriSec. And I agree, I was angry at the "timing" of the Medal of Honor. Its not very Honorable to use the occassion for your own gain.



Anywho. Velveeta Jones update: I am up, out of bed and dressed. I will attempt work later today. This "viral infection" that the doctors say I have, really does need a name. I mean, something this bad really should be called something!



Here are my suggestion that I'm submitting to the Urgent Care Clinic:

Walking Death

5 Days in Bed

Dry-Heave-itis

Someone, Kill me now!



All good names............

Comment by velveeta jones on 04/15/2008 13:22:26
Faye, so glad you survived that procedure. Hope you're okay!

Comment by livingonli on 04/15/2008 13:22:38
Good morning everyone.



I don't even have any medical exploits to share.

Comment by starling310 on 04/15/2008 13:24:25
Good morning all.



:star:'s commute today ----> :kickcan::kickcan::kickcan::kickcan::kickcan: :kickcan:







NPR was reporting that Obama's Campaign has still not "recovered" from Obama's assertion that Blue Collar workers are bitter.

Can we please find a blue collar who will verify that assertion.



: blue collar worker : Hi. I am a Blue Collar Worker. I am bitter.

Comment by starling310 on 04/15/2008 13:25:54
Oh yeah. Faye? YOWZA!

Comment by livingonli on 04/15/2008 13:30:30
I'm just glad our bloggers are feeling better though.

Comment by livingonli on 04/15/2008 13:37:01
:star: Too bad you can't work from home more often.

Comment by starling310 on 04/15/2008 13:39:06
Huh...it's un-American, according to O'reilly, to compare an American to Al-Qaeda. Hm...so, maybe Republicans should stop calling their Democratic Congressional Counterparts "Terrorists" for saying they want to get out of Iraq.



Just sayin.



What is good for DA GOOSE!



Comment by starling310 on 04/15/2008 13:42:51
It is. As it should. Gay Culture is AWESOME!



"GAY CULTURE" ------->




:Rainbow:


Comment by Raine on 04/15/2008 13:43:09
Good Morning!

Comment by livingonli on 04/15/2008 13:43:23
Sean with the talking point fritata.

Comment by livingonli on 04/15/2008 13:43:59
Good morning Raine.

Comment by starling310 on 04/15/2008 13:45:43
:: free credit report dot com ad ::

Anyone who still uses the word "Posse" deserves to get laughed at.





Comment by Raine on 04/15/2008 13:46:54
Quote by m-hadley:

mFaye - I've emailed you the .mp3 of the drop you requested. I'll also upload it as an audicon here, tomorrow. In terms of posting it on your web page - I'm not tech savvy enough to know how to do that. BobR and Raine are the blog gurus - perhaps they might have some info to assist in that regard...



BobR or Raine,

Could you help me with this? I'm trying to post an audio clip to my blog, but can't figure it out. Thanks mucho. BTB, I survived my procedure yesterday and let me just say that a colonoscopy recovery room is just like a mensa meeting with farts minus smart people - (most) doctors and nurses excluded, of course!

Cheers,

mfaye
Heya FAye!



Glad to hear that it all ended up well in the end for you... :P



As far as the uploading of the sound, we are gonna have to have bobber look at it, but I know that he wrote the code for this blog for that to happen. Not sure how things work with blogspot...



He is currently en route to the office, so when he get's in we can at him.













Comment by right wing hater on 04/15/2008 13:48:25
Good morning everyone!



Hey...Shane-o, sound bits are excellent. Wanted to ask you if you think you could start a 'Bushisms' sound byte collection?



I've got some decent links if you're interested

Comment by Raine on 04/15/2008 13:49:11
VJ, Glad to read that you are doing better.



PUHLEEZE take it easy, we don't want you to end up with pnuemonia too...

Comment by m-hadley on 04/15/2008 13:49:17
Quote by starling310:

Oh yeah. Faye? YOWZA!


Mornin' Everybody,

I'm back at work, but apparently shouldn't be cause I don't have the proper paperwork. Ah, well, trying to be a good scout gets you nowhere in this world I guess :D

Still have the runs (Forgive me if that is too much information )

Cheers,

mfaye :)

Comment by Raine on 04/15/2008 13:50:52
Lieberman said that as well about Barack...

Comment by starling310 on 04/15/2008 13:51:49
This election I am voting for BLACK POWER!

Comment by Raine on 04/15/2008 13:52:03
a communist Black militant Goldwater girl!!!

Comment by livingonli on 04/15/2008 13:53:51
Maybe Dick Morris and LIEberman should get a room together?



TMI indeed mfaye, but glad you're well and with us.

Comment by Raine on 04/15/2008 13:58:07
Comment by Raine on 04/15/2008 14:01:32
RWH, are you still around?





Comment by Raine on 04/15/2008 14:08:18
:rofl: OMG, this is hilarious!

Comment by wickedpam on 04/15/2008 14:08:20
Morning :hug:

Comment by wickedpam on 04/15/2008 14:08:55
Oh my! Very funny Shane-O!

Comment by starling310 on 04/15/2008 14:09:29
I don't like people who brag about killing innocent animals. I ESPECIALLY don't like when a member of the Democratic party brags about killing innocent animals.



Comment by Raine on 04/15/2008 14:11:09
Quote by right wing hater:

Good morning everyone!



Hey...Shane-o, sound bits are excellent. Wanted to ask you if you think you could start a 'Bushisms' sound byte collection?



I've got some decent links if you're interested
Send the links to the staff, we can take care of those too, RWH.



:peace:



I know we talked about it, but sometimes we need a reminder...



Comment by livingonli on 04/15/2008 14:12:09
Good morning Mala. How's it going?

Comment by livingonli on 04/15/2008 14:16:17
Being a Republican means getting away with being a criminal. I guarantee you that if he was a Democrat, he would be testifying in the DC Madam trial.

Comment by wickedpam on 04/15/2008 14:17:18
Right now, everything's going fine Liv.

Comment by Raine on 04/15/2008 14:19:17
:rofl: Der leader singing 99 luftballoons!!! Brilliant!

Comment by wickedpam on 04/15/2008 14:19:37
ruffed barroons :spit:

Comment by Raine on 04/15/2008 14:23:11
Volcano erupts in Columbia....

The extent of the eruption was not clear, but even minor eruptions could cause landslides and flooding by melting the snow and ice cap atop the 17,484-foot volcano, and authorities maintained a red alert for settlements near the volcano.



About 3,500 people were leaving or being evacuated from the villages of Belalcazar and Paez, which are susceptible to flooding of the Rio Paez, said Carlos Marquez, national director the Red Cross, on radio Caracol.

Comment by velveeta jones on 04/15/2008 14:23:35
Marching to FREEDOM in Iraq: 53 Iraqis dead yesterday via bombings, including two children.



:(

Comment by Shane-O on 04/15/2008 14:25:34
Mornin' Up late, didn't finish the Looney Tunes thing till about 2 - so



I was able to put up yesterday's calls from 4F members later.



Shayla:



AZ-Turq:



Also, per mFaye's request - 's fav new drop:

Comment by starling310 on 04/15/2008 14:28:10
Good point Gaye. I bought toilet roll yesterday....it has gone up to $1.00 a roll!!! $1.00 a roll for the SCOTT Tissue. Used to be 74 cents.



"F*ckin' Frank!

Comment by BobR on 04/15/2008 14:29:30
Morning, folks...

Comment by BobR on 04/15/2008 14:31:36
Quote by livingonli:

Good morning everyone.



I don't even have any medical exploits to share.


You say that like it's a bad thing!

Comment by livingonli on 04/15/2008 14:32:24
Good morning BobR.



I noticed that on my computer that the audicons aren't as loud as they used to be.

Comment by BobR on 04/15/2008 14:34:44
Quote by m-hadley:

mFaye - I've emailed you the .mp3 of the drop you requested. I'll also upload it as an audicon here, tomorrow. In terms of posting it on your web page - I'm not tech savvy enough to know how to do that. BobR and Raine are the blog gurus - perhaps they might have some info to assist in that regard...



BobR or Raine,

Could you help me with this? I'm trying to post an audio clip to my blog, but can't figure it out. Thanks mucho. BTB, I survived my procedure yesterday and let me just say that a colonoscopy recovery room is just like a mensa meeting with farts minus smart people - (most) doctors and nurses excluded, of course!

Cheers,

mfaye


I wrote the code for this blog, and created special DB tables and pages for uploading sound files and storing the information about them. If you have a place where you can upload any kind of file (like personal storage space from your ISP), I would recommend doing that, and then just putting a link to it in your blog.



I have never used blogspot, so I don't know what the capabilities are...

Comment by starling310 on 04/15/2008 14:35:10
Caller asking people to think. Pppfffttt.....





Comment by starling310 on 04/15/2008 14:36:56
:drool: <------ Chris "spittle" Matthews

Comment by starling310 on 04/15/2008 14:38:39
They were yelling "NO. NO. WE ARE BITTER!!! OPEN YER FRIGGIN EYES!"

Comment by BobR on 04/15/2008 14:39:13
Quote by right wing hater:

Good morning everyone!



Hey...Shane-o, sound bits are excellent. Wanted to ask you if you think you could start a 'Bushisms' sound byte collection?



I've got some decent links if you're interested


The page I set up was for Shane-O's sound bits that get played on the SMS. There are already a bunch of websites with Bushisms, and - considering he will be put out to pasture in about 9 months - I don't know that it makes sense to host all of those.



Perhaps we could create a board thread or dedicated blog post with links to the sites that have them?



Comment by Raine on 04/15/2008 14:39:55
Quote by starling310:

Caller asking people to think. Pppfffttt.....



let me ponder that....



Comment by BobR on 04/15/2008 14:41:15
Quote by starling310:

:drool: <------ Chris "spittle" Matthews