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The view from over there.
Author: Raine    Date: 03/15/2013 15:18:24

There are some days when I am truly baffled by conservative thinking. This being C-PAC week in Washington, my bewilderment is on overload. Today we have this story from HuffPo

Democratic strategist and CNN contributor Paul Begala faced off against conservative media mogul Tucker Carlson for an event at CPAC on Thursday, exchanging jabs on a number of political topics. Given the opportunity, Begala also shot down a conservative audience member who attempted to get in a jab at Hillary Clinton. (snip)

"I hope she does [run] -- I have no idea if she will," Begala continued, going on to list a number of things that he believes Clinton wants to do outside of electoral politics.

"I think she's actually gonna first live a life, write her book, reacquaint herself with the real world..." he started.

"Get a facelift!" someone in the crowd interjected, seemingly channeling a topic of discussion on Fox News last month.

Begala was quick with a comeback.

"No, not get a facelift," Begala said. "She's not a Republican society lady, she's a real woman."
Is this how Conservatives view women, or is this how they are told to think about women? This particular story reminded me of a a few studies that came out about 5 years ago. Theses research projects tried to determine if there was a difference between a liberal and conservative mind. Overall it appears that the conclusion was
"Two Tribes: Are Your Genes Liberal or Conservative?" It's the cover story and delves into the serious scientific research on the formation of political opinions. My attention was immediately focused on several conclusions (snip)
"...a rather unflattering view of conservatives emerges from the studies. They are portrayed as dogmatic, routine-loving individuals, while liberals come across as free-spirited and open-minded folk."
I personally find this to be rather all to black and white, as does this blog from Berkley but when we have stories like the one above, I am set back to wondering, are conservatives really set in their ways or are they actually led to that place by media? Is conservative thinking a result of outside influences? Why would someone say this at a political conference if they were not given that thought from someone else?
"Get a facelift!" someone in the crowd interjected, seemingly channeling a topic of discussion on Fox News last month.
As I asked above, do conservatives really view women, and to a larger extent *others* in such a way that our viability and value in society is based upon how they view us?

Here is another example:
Cunningham told conservative website WorldNetDaily, “The idea for the song came from a phone conversation I was havin’ with a buddy and I said something like, ‘Have you noticed how good-looking the gals are on Fox News?” (snip)

The music video for the song, which mostly consists of shaky shots of the various Fox ladies on Cunningham’s TV with a conspicuous thumbs up silhouetted in the foreground, was uploaded to YouTube a little over a month ago and saw little to no traction at first. But it appears to have recently picked up steam after being passed around conservative and country music websites.
I'm wondering if this way of thinking is truly American Conservatism -- or is just misogyny, sexism and plain meanness? Is it fueled by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity -- Fox news? Or do Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, Fox and other conservative media outlets represent the views of the people who claim to be conservative?

Another source of my bewildement today is the story of Senator Rob Portman. The Junior Senator from Ohio was a co-sponsor of the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act. Today he came out as a marriage equality supporter. Why? His son came out as gay in 2011.
"It allowed me to think of this issue from a new perspective, and that's of a Dad who loves his son a lot and wants him to have the same opportunities that his brother and sister would have -- to have a relationship like Jane and I have had for over 26 years," Portman said.

Portman said that his son, who is now a junior at Yale University, inspired him to reassess his position on same-sex unions. The senator also consulted clergy on the matter, as well as friends such as former Vice President Dick Cheney, whose daughter Mary is openly gay. According to Portman, Cheney told the senator to "follow [his] heart" on the matter.

"The overriding message of love and compassion that I take from the Bible, and certainly the Golden Rule, and the fact that I believe we are all created by our maker, that has all influenced me in terms of my change on this issue," Portman said.
While I applaud Mr. Portman for his change of heart, I still don't understand why it took HIS being personally affected by life events to change his mind -- and heart. Until his son came out, he felt that no LGBT people should be allowed to marry. Rarely do we see a politician with an R -- currently serving -- take such a stance. They are simply not supposed to do this. Perhaps there is a difference between truly conservative and being told what to do and how to think.

Is it conservative to be set in such a mindset only until one is personally affected? Earlier this year, Senator Mark Kirk returned to office a year after suffering from a stroke. As a result, he too had a change of heart:
In an interview with the Chicago Sun Times, Senator Kirk said, "Had I been limited to that [referring to the 11 rehabilitation sessions], I would have had no chance to recover like I did. So unlike before suffering the stroke, I'm much more focused on Medicaid and what my fellow citizens face...I will look much more carefully at the Illinois Medicaid program to see how my fellow citizens are being cared for who have no income and if they suffer from a stroke."


In the mean time, while I write this, Senate Majority leader decided to take another swipe at women:
He continued that Democrats claim to be the party of the young and the party of the future, but “don’t tell me the Democrats are the party of the future when their ticket for 2016 is shaping up to look like a rerun of ‘The Golden Girls.’” Republicans have Rand Paul and Marco Rubio, he said, “the other guys, they’ve got Hillary and Joe Biden.”


Liberals aren't perfect by a long shot, but I don't see them making light of the things conservatives seems to relish. Is this a political philosophy or is it just mean people? Is it brain function or is it just mindless following? The view from over here is confusing.

and

Raine
 

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Comment by Mondobubba on 03/15/2013 13:10:29
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I totally want this "Breaking Bad" terrarium!

Comment by Raine on 03/15/2013 13:20:48
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/15/2013 13:23:01
Good morning, bloggers!! I hope that everyone is well.

A bit later, I am helping a friend who lost his job work on a resume. We will have lunch and talk about job hunting strategies. (I am applying for a few things around Chicagoland and out East.)

As for Senator Portman, I fear that his own party will reject him. There seems to be little place for any stands outside the orthodoxy of the Tea Party in the GOP.

Comment by Mondobubba on 03/15/2013 13:35:05
Quote by Raine:
Louie Gohmert: "We could have won Vietnam."



Among the many stupid things the Congressman has said, this barely rates.

Comment by Mondobubba on 03/15/2013 14:06:35
Comment by TriSec on 03/15/2013 14:24:38
Morning, comrades.

Dear toolbag:

Why do you send me provider requests, and then the next day, send me the same set again? And then that afternoon, your weekly email that says essentially, "Well, are they done yet??"

Dude, I see your crap come in and it goes to the bottom of the pile.



Comment by Mondobubba on 03/15/2013 14:39:20
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades.

Dear toolbag:

Why do you send me provider requests, and then the next day, send me the same set again? And then that afternoon, your weekly email that says essentially, "Well, are they done yet??"

Dude, I see your crap come in and it goes to the bottom of the pile.




Dear Toolbag,

Stop using so much email. There is this thing called a "telephone." This wondrous device allows people to communicate using their actual voices! It is much more effective that sending email after email on the same topic. With this marvel of technology you can get things done much faster.



Comment by trojanrabbit on 03/15/2013 14:44:06
It's about that time to see if I start feeling lousy again. I've got some candy at hand.

I've got a massive 6 foot long fixture to test this morning. It will be interesting to see what happens, when the fixture is rotated so that it's pointing at the antenna its closest point will be 2 meters away instead of the 3 meters it's supposed to be. One of the reasons the standard test distance is 10 meters. A chamber that size would require its own building though, not to mention it costing $$,$$$,$$$ instead of $$$,$$$.

Let alone the sucker will barely remain stable on the table.....

Yup, it "fails". Though it would likely have no problems at an official test site.

Comment by Mondobubba on 03/15/2013 14:54:58
Yeah, I kinda hate email.

Comment by Raine on 03/15/2013 15:24:56
Blog is up!



Comment by wickedpam on 03/15/2013 15:46:19
Morning

Phase 1 of crowns 2013 is complete, phase 2 starts April 5th.

Comment by Raine on 03/15/2013 16:01:50
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning

Phase 1 of crowns 2013 is complete, phase 2 starts April 5th.
What is Crowns?


Comment by wickedpam on 03/15/2013 16:07:41
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning

Phase 1 of crowns 2013 is complete, phase 2 starts April 5th.
What is Crowns?



Crowns? They are like a really nice tooth shaped cap that's permanently screwed into your old tooth.

I've neglected my teeth for too long so this is what I've been trying to catch up with so I can get braces

Comment by Raine on 03/15/2013 16:09:17
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning

Phase 1 of crowns 2013 is complete, phase 2 starts April 5th.
What is Crowns?



Crowns? They are like a really nice tooth shaped cap that's permanently screwed into your old tooth.

I've neglected my teeth for too long so this is what I've been trying to catch up with so I can get braces
OH! DERP.

you were talking teeth.


Comment by wickedpam on 03/15/2013 16:12:31
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning

Phase 1 of crowns 2013 is complete, phase 2 starts April 5th.
What is Crowns?



Crowns? They are like a really nice tooth shaped cap that's permanently screwed into your old tooth.

I've neglected my teeth for too long so this is what I've been trying to catch up with so I can get braces
OH! DERP.

you were talking teeth.


Did you think I was actually getting crowned? XD

Comment by BobR on 03/15/2013 16:20:43
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning

Phase 1 of crowns 2013 is complete, phase 2 starts April 5th.
What is Crowns?



Crowns? They are like a really nice tooth shaped cap that's permanently screwed into your old tooth.

I've neglected my teeth for too long so this is what I've been trying to catch up with so I can get braces
OH! DERP.

you were talking teeth.


Did you think I was actually getting crowned? XD

I was thinking gardening, or an RPG, or some obscure TV series..

Comment by TriSec on 03/15/2013 16:24:09
Ask a Vet Bonus Click

My Uncle Fio was there....he was driving a landing craft on the morning of April 1, 1945.


Comment by Mondobubba on 03/15/2013 16:24:25
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning

Phase 1 of crowns 2013 is complete, phase 2 starts April 5th.
What is Crowns?



Crowns? They are like a really nice tooth shaped cap that's permanently screwed into your old tooth.

I've neglected my teeth for too long so this is what I've been trying to catch up with so I can get braces
OH! DERP.

you were talking teeth.


Did you think I was actually getting crowned? XD

I was thinking gardening, or an RPG, or some obscure TV series..



Game of Thronesh isch not obscure, Bobber! :Inhaler huff: (That is what I was thinking as well...)

Comment by BobR on 03/15/2013 16:27:31
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by BobR:
I was thinking gardening, or an RPG, or some obscure TV series..

Game of Thronesh isch not obscure, Bobber! :Inhaler huff: (That is what I was thinking as well...)

I was thinking more obscure than that, like some British import or something.

Comment by wickedpam on 03/15/2013 16:27:35
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning

Phase 1 of crowns 2013 is complete, phase 2 starts April 5th.
What is Crowns?



Crowns? They are like a really nice tooth shaped cap that's permanently screwed into your old tooth.

I've neglected my teeth for too long so this is what I've been trying to catch up with so I can get braces
OH! DERP.

you were talking teeth.


Did you think I was actually getting crowned? XD

I was thinking gardening, or an RPG, or some obscure TV series..



Game of Thronesh isch not obscure, Bobber! :Inhaler huff: (That is what I was thinking as well...)



I do enjoy all those things (though I don't watch GoT) I can see how you could draw that conclusion

Comment by Scoopster on 03/15/2013 16:33:29
Afternoon' all & Happy Fridee!

Speaking of GoT.. 15 more days!!

Comment by Raine on 03/15/2013 16:34:59



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Comment by TriSec on 03/15/2013 16:35:20
Quote by BobR:

I was thinking gardening, or an RPG, or some obscure TV series..



Pam can get Rocket Propelled Grenades???



Comment by Raine on 03/15/2013 16:36:43
/can't believe you teeth have been more discussed than my post today, Mala.

Comment by Raine on 03/15/2013 16:37:08
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by BobR:

I was thinking gardening, or an RPG, or some obscure TV series..



Pam can get Rocket Propelled Grenades???





Comment by wickedpam on 03/15/2013 16:38:49
Quote by Raine:
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by BobR:

I was thinking gardening, or an RPG, or some obscure TV series..



Pam can get Rocket Propelled Grenades???





I'm stockpiling to deter the next door neighbor's kids.


Comment by Mondobubba on 03/15/2013 16:49:09
Quote by TriSec:
Ask a Vet Bonus Click

My Uncle Fio was there....he was driving a landing craft on the morning of April 1, 1945.



Damn dust!

Comment by clintster on 03/15/2013 16:56:31
Coming soon to a fundie church auditorium near you: T For Teabagger



Comment by Mondobubba on 03/15/2013 17:49:16
Comment by Raine on 03/15/2013 17:53:00
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/15/2013 17:53:16
First it was the remake of "Red Dawn" and now "Olympus Has Fallen" as North Korea invading the US. All I have to say about this is North Korea is the nation equivalent the short bus. C'mon Hollywood, North Frickin' Korea? Get serious.

Comment by BobR on 03/15/2013 17:55:42
Quote by clintster:
Coming soon to a fundie church auditorium near you: T For Teabagger




Comment by Raine on 03/15/2013 17:57:48
Can someone please tell me Why Dimon isn't under arrest?

I get -- disappointingly --- that these banks are too big -- but WHY can't we start putting people like him in jail?

Comment by TriSec on 03/15/2013 18:25:13



Did I ever tell you guys about Bobby McNeill?

Mr. McNeill has a profound case of Down's Syndrome. He was already about 25 when he joined Boy Scout Troop 61 (Saugus). The BSA will waive age requirements for any such scout.

In any case, I was just a youth member at the time, and became Bobby's patrol leader. Very quickly, he became "the heart and soul of the troop."

One year at summer camp, an inner-city troop of scouts decided to make fun by taunting and teasing Bobby...the rest of the guys were ready to march to the other site and beat them all up, and only the intervention of both Scoutmasters and the Camp Director prevented an all-out war from happening.

Bobby eventually went on to earn his Eagle, somewhere around age 35 or so. I proudly sat on his Troop Eagle Board and approved the application for council.

In any case....Down's Syndrome? Generally, you will never find a happier, gentler, or more generous soul.



Comment by Mondobubba on 03/15/2013 19:35:54
Quote by TriSec:



Did I ever tell you guys about Bobby McNeill?

Mr. McNeill has a profound case of Down's Syndrome. He was already about 25 when he joined Boy Scout Troop 61 (Saugus). The BSA will waive age requirements for any such scout.

In any case, I was just a youth member at the time, and became Bobby's patrol leader. Very quickly, he became "the heart and soul of the troop."

One year at summer camp, an inner-city troop of scouts decided to make fun by taunting and teasing Bobby...the rest of the guys were ready to march to the other site and beat them all up, and only the intervention of both Scoutmasters and the Camp Director prevented an all-out war from happening.

Bobby eventually went on to earn his Eagle, somewhere around age 35 or so. I proudly sat on his Troop Eagle Board and approved the application for council.

In any case....Down's Syndrome? Generally, you will never find a happier, gentler, or more generous soul.



my high school English teacher of blessed memory volunteered for the Special Olympics. He was the first person I had ever met who was not down with the R-word. Mr. Lewis said pretty much the same thing you said about folks with Down's Syndrome.

Listening to this report this morning made me want to redouble my efforts to remove retard from my vocabulary.