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What is done unto you?
Author: Raine
Date: 04/17/2013 13:41:15
Victim blaming occurs when the victim(s) of a crime, an accident, or any type of abusive maltreatment are held entirely or partially responsible for the transgressions committed against them (regardless of whether the victim actually had any responsibility for the incident). Blaming the victim has traditionally emerged especially in racist, sexist, and classist forms.
I've been thinking a lot about this idea of victim blaming lately. I think about the young woman who was raped and abused in Stuebenville. I think about Trayvon Martin. I think about the beautiful young woman, Amanda Todd who committed suicide in Canada after pictures of her bullying, both physical and cyber, were circulated... I think about Audrie Pott -- she committed suicide as well, after being raped and having no justice. All of these victims, every one of them -- were subjected to public judgement. Everyone one of them had their motives questioned, and all but one are dead. Victim blaming occurs when the victim of a crime, an accident, or any type of abusive maltreatment are held entirely or partially responsible for the transgressions committed against them. These children, young adults -- people, humans were terrorized by their assailants and were made victims again by a court of public opinion.
The sad outcome of all of these stories is that we are asked to change behavior. Young women are reminded that they need to take steps on how not to be raped.
Never take a drink from anyone or let your drink out of your sight. Don’t show too much cleavage. Be aware of your surroundings at all times. Never go to a boy’s room alone. If it comes to it, go for the eyes, the nose, the balls. Always stay with a group of girls…safety in numbers. You can’t trust him, even if he seems nice.
They are told to be wary of what they wear and how they act.
Reading about Trayvon reminded me of the list of the “don’ts” I received after my sheltered existence in Hazlet, N.J., was replaced with the reality of Newark when my mother remarried in the 1980s.
“Don’t run in public.” Lest someone think you’re suspicious.
“Don’t run while carrying anything in your hands.” Lest someone think you stole something.
“Don’t talk back to the police.” Lest you give them a reason to take you to jail or worse
There was also being mindful that you are being watched in stores. Watched turned to followed as I got older. To this day, if a sales person is overly attentive to what I might be looking for I leave the store. Never to return. And then there was keeping a distance of deniability from white women when walking on the street. Lest you be accused of any number of offenses, from trying to snatch her purse to sexual assault.
Richard Jewel, ultimately the hero of the 1996 Centennial park bombing was made a victim.
For nine years, Richard Jewell labored under suspicion that he'd been the bomber. In fact, Richard Jewell was a jewel of a man, a private security guard who spotted the bomb, informed the police of its existence, and escorted park visitors off the site until the bomb exploded. Jewell was a hero. (snip)
Jewell died 11 years after the bombing, exonerated and a little richer thanks to several settlements against media outlets like CNN, but still a broken man. In its obituary, the New York Times, which had also reported on the allegations against Jewell, eulogized him as the hero of the Atlanta attack. Which did Richard Jewell no good whatsoever.... In the days to come, it would behoove All Of Us to take what the FBI, and CNN, and NBC, and the New York Post, and their ilk, have to say about suspects and motives with a grain of salt.
After September 11 everyone was asked -- told -- how not to be a victim. We remove our shoes before boarding airplanes, we are subjected to pat down in public spaces, we are told to say something if we see something. We -- collectively as a nation, victims of terror -- are being held responsible for the terror. In many respects we are safer; that said -- we are always asked to be in a heightened state of alert. In that respect there is a connection with the victims I mentioned above. We have been told to go about our daily lives, go shopping and just be normal... until the next tragedy. This time, it is Boston. On the floor of the Senate yesterday, Minority leader McConnell said the following in his commemoration of the attack:
On 9/11 we forever disabused of the notion that attacks, like the one that rocked Boston yesterday ,only happen on the field of battle or in distant countries. With the passage of time, however, and the vigilant efforts of our military, intelligence and law enforcement professionals, I think it's safe to say that for many, the complacency that prevailed prior to September 11th has actually returned. And so we are newly reminded that serious threats to our way of life remain. And today again we recommit ourselves to the fight against terrorism at home and abroad.
Yeah, Mitch, we've really become complacent. I mean, it's not like we've had things like mass shootings at malls, movie theaters, military bases, *elementary schools*, high schools, colleges.... It's not like we've had school buses attacked and children taken hostage. It's not like teenage girls have to worry about going to parties without getting gang raped and then blamed for it. It's not like gay couples have to worry about visiting each other in hospital rooms without being arrested. No, we're absolutely complacent, and it's our fault that this happened because we haven't closed our borders and slaughtered all of the gays, Muslims, and any other "undesirable" living here against your and your ilk's wishes. It's our fault that we refuse to live in fear of each other, and try to focus on the positive while we attempt to lead normal lives instead of hiding in our homes, barricaded off from the rest of the world in terror.
Instead of blaming the victims for the wrong in our society, how about we start changing society with simple ideas such as:
Don't kill.
Don't terrorize.
Learn.
Be curious.
Educate.
Liberate.
Love.
Understand.
Accept.
There is something terribly wrong when the result of a tragedy is to add extra layers of protection. When the un-normal becomes normal -- we become desensitized to tragedy. Security shouldn't mean always feeling insecure. How we solve this I do not know, but a good place to start is to stop putting the onus on the victims.
My heart goes out to Boston and the people there that day. You saved a lot of lives Monday. We saw the best of America in your city during a dark event. You showed to me what true patriotism really is, on the day truly meant to celebrate it.
Must have a code that you can live by
And so become yourself
Because the past is just a good bye.
Teach your children well,
Their father's hell did slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams
The one they picked, the one you'll know by.
Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.
And you, of tender years,
Can't know the fears that your elders grew by,
And so please help them with your youth,
They seek the truth before they can die.
Can you hear and do you care and
Cant you see we must be free to
Teach your children what you believe in.
Make a world that we can live in.
Teach your parents well,
Their children's hell will slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams
The one they picked, the one you'll know by.
Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.
Graham Nash
and 
Raine
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Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 04/17/2013 13:04:19
trojanrabbit on 04/17/2013 13:04:19
Morning...
Heard of commuter rail trains being stopped this morning and searched by bomb-sniffing dogs.
And I've definitely seen an increased police presence on the highways since yesterday.
And Fuck McTurtle. They swept the finish line area twice before the race and had undercover police in the area. Complacent my ass. Wonder how HE would deal with guarding 26+ miles of roads. A lot more difficult than a crowd watching a bunch of horses turn left.
Heard of commuter rail trains being stopped this morning and searched by bomb-sniffing dogs.
And I've definitely seen an increased police presence on the highways since yesterday.
And Fuck McTurtle. They swept the finish line area twice before the race and had undercover police in the area. Complacent my ass. Wonder how HE would deal with guarding 26+ miles of roads. A lot more difficult than a crowd watching a bunch of horses turn left.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 13:09:12
In one single location I might add.
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 13:09:12
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Morning...
Heard of commuter rail trains being stopped this morning and searched by bomb-sniffing dogs.
And I've definitely seen an increased police presence on the highways since yesterday.
And Fuck McTurtle. They swept the finish line area twice before the race and had undercover police in the area. Complacent my ass. Wonder how HE would deal with guarding 26+ miles of roads. A lot more difficult than a crowd watching a bunch of horses turn left.
In one single location I might add.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 04/17/2013 13:11:28
wickedpam on 04/17/2013 13:11:28
Morning 
Comment by 
BobR on 04/17/2013 13:35:07
BobR on 04/17/2013 13:35:07
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 13:39:11
Wonder Woman. Sorry, I forgot that thing scrolls.
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 13:39:11
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
I watched this last night.
which one? Wonder Woman?
Wonder Woman. Sorry, I forgot that thing scrolls.
Comment by 
Raine on 04/17/2013 13:49:34
Raine on 04/17/2013 13:49:34
Blog is being edited.... So I am leaving this Platypus here.... 
Good morning!
Good morning!
Comment by 
TriSec on 04/17/2013 13:56:19
TriSec on 04/17/2013 13:56:19
I'm thinking it's a Kind of Blue kind of day.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 13:59:40
Raine on 04/17/2013 13:59:40
Editing done.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 14:06:18
Tri, not to sound flippant, but every day is KoB day.
Best.Modern.Jazz.Album.EVAH!
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 14:06:18
Quote by TriSec:
I'm thinking it's a Kind of Blue kind of day.
Tri, not to sound flippant, but every day is KoB day.
Best.Modern.Jazz.Album.EVAH!
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 04/17/2013 14:12:47
velveeta jones on 04/17/2013 14:12:47
Morning all. Great post.... *sigh* I have to have the "talk" with my daughter one day soon. Yet, I wonder how many Mom's have that conversation with their son, as in "don't commit rape".
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2013 14:13:38
TriSec on 04/17/2013 14:13:38
Boston Globe photo blog.
Perhaps not for the faint of heart, but then again, no worse than anything we've seen from Baghdad or Kabul. Which just kills me.
Perhaps not for the faint of heart, but then again, no worse than anything we've seen from Baghdad or Kabul. Which just kills me.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 14:16:36
I cannot fathom what it must be like for parents. I'm so glad that there are people like you out there Vel.
Raine on 04/17/2013 14:16:36
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all. Great post.... *sigh* I have to have the "talk" with my daughter one day soon. Yet, I wonder how many Mom's have that conversation with their son, as in "don't commit rape".
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2013 14:17:16
Oh, I concur entirely. It has been said that at some point in time, every musician will have to listen to KofB to understand and reveal essential truths. Some get it, but I'd sure like to see what happens when that day comes for oh say, Justin Beiber or Lady Gaga.
You are aware that it's because of just one note on that album (The E above High C in Mile's Freddy Freeloader solo) that started me playing. It's like the head in Jaws...I know it's coming, but it makes it no less electric when it happens.
TriSec on 04/17/2013 14:17:16
Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri, not to sound flippant, but every day is KoB day.
Oh, I concur entirely. It has been said that at some point in time, every musician will have to listen to KofB to understand and reveal essential truths. Some get it, but I'd sure like to see what happens when that day comes for oh say, Justin Beiber or Lady Gaga.
You are aware that it's because of just one note on that album (The E above High C in Mile's Freddy Freeloader solo) that started me playing. It's like the head in Jaws...I know it's coming, but it makes it no less electric when it happens.
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2013 14:17:58
wickedpam on 04/17/2013 14:17:58
I remember always being on "heightened alert" its exhausting and can not be sustained for an indefinite period of time
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 14:25:17
Exactly.
Something has to change -- it HAS TO --
We blame to poor for being poor, we blame homeowners for losing their houses, we blame unhealthy people for being unhealthy --
I;m not saying that we should abdicate responsibility but we need to start looking at how we live in society in a different way.
Security -- more of it -- isn't the answer anymore.
Raine on 04/17/2013 14:25:17
Quote by wickedpam:
I remember always being on "heightened alert" its exhausting and can not be sustained for an indefinite period of time
Something has to change -- it HAS TO --
We blame to poor for being poor, we blame homeowners for losing their houses, we blame unhealthy people for being unhealthy --
I;m not saying that we should abdicate responsibility but we need to start looking at how we live in society in a different way.
Security -- more of it -- isn't the answer anymore.
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2013 14:26:44
you know I don't know about that last part, we have 2 teen boys in our family and all I know for sure is that my cousin as told them that if they have sex they must use protection cause she doesn't want to do the grandma thing right now and she wants them to go to college and get themselves at least partially settled before they have kids.
wickedpam on 04/17/2013 14:26:44
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all. Great post.... *sigh* I have to have the "talk" with my daughter one day soon. Yet, I wonder how many Mom's have that conversation with their son, as in "don't commit rape".
you know I don't know about that last part, we have 2 teen boys in our family and all I know for sure is that my cousin as told them that if they have sex they must use protection cause she doesn't want to do the grandma thing right now and she wants them to go to college and get themselves at least partially settled before they have kids.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 14:29:13
"Son, respect women. Don't do violence to them. If you are in a position (phrasing) where sex might happen, remember these two things: use protection, it is up to both of you. If she says no, that means NO. Don't listen to any of those douchebags who say otherwise, they aren't being raised right. I can't emphasize this enough, no means no. If a girl says no, stop and apologize. Communicate with her, treat her like you would like to be treated."
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 14:29:13
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all. Great post.... *sigh* I have to have the "talk" with my daughter one day soon. Yet, I wonder how many Mom's have that conversation with their son, as in "don't commit rape".
"Son, respect women. Don't do violence to them. If you are in a position (phrasing) where sex might happen, remember these two things: use protection, it is up to both of you. If she says no, that means NO. Don't listen to any of those douchebags who say otherwise, they aren't being raised right. I can't emphasize this enough, no means no. If a girl says no, stop and apologize. Communicate with her, treat her like you would like to be treated."
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2013 14:30:05
TriSec on 04/17/2013 14:30:05
Oh, and in contrast to some other places:
Rep. Stanley Cosponsors Legislation to Establish Early Voting
Rep. Stanley signed onto legislation to establish early in-person voting. Currently, voters are allowed to vote in-person on Election Day only. The new legislation would require the local election officers and registrars of every city or town to allow any qualified voter to cast a ballot 14 days prior to any election, and 8 days prior to a special election. Cities and towns must also provide for early voting in elections not held in conjunction with state elections. There must be a request made, in person, by a qualified voter, to participate in early voting and the voter must fill out an Early Voter Certificate. Rep. Stanley feels that an early voting law will increase voter participation throughout the Commonwealth as well as help reduce long lines and traffic at the polling station on Election Day, which factors into lower voter turnout.
(That's my friend Tom Stanley, candidate for Mayor. And TriSec, vying to take his seat on the Council afterwards.)
Rep. Stanley Cosponsors Legislation to Establish Early Voting
Rep. Stanley signed onto legislation to establish early in-person voting. Currently, voters are allowed to vote in-person on Election Day only. The new legislation would require the local election officers and registrars of every city or town to allow any qualified voter to cast a ballot 14 days prior to any election, and 8 days prior to a special election. Cities and towns must also provide for early voting in elections not held in conjunction with state elections. There must be a request made, in person, by a qualified voter, to participate in early voting and the voter must fill out an Early Voter Certificate. Rep. Stanley feels that an early voting law will increase voter participation throughout the Commonwealth as well as help reduce long lines and traffic at the polling station on Election Day, which factors into lower voter turnout.
(That's my friend Tom Stanley, candidate for Mayor. And TriSec, vying to take his seat on the Council afterwards.)
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2013 14:35:27
you know I wonder if some of this is born out of frustration.
for example - I bought a house I could afford but I could have gotten approved for a lot more (and it was very tempting) if I did come to my senses and tell them all I wanted was a plan old fashioned fix rate loan. As a result I got a rate that was a little higher then people who were tempted with the bigger house in the fancy neighborhood. That's 1 point of frustration - I was penalized for having something stable.
Second point of frustration is that because all those people who were tempted are now getting breaks to make it easier to get refi's or get the banks off their backs. Whereas I followed the rules lived within my means and realize that its going to be harder for me to refi since it seems like all those hit hard due to their eyes being bigger then there belly's come first.
sorry didn't mean for that to be a mini-self involved rant
wickedpam on 04/17/2013 14:35:27
Quote by Raine:Exactly.Quote by wickedpam:
I remember always being on "heightened alert" its exhausting and can not be sustained for an indefinite period of time
Something has to change -- it HAS TO --
We blame to poor for being poor, we blame homeowners for losing their houses, we blame unhealthy people for being unhealthy --
I;m not saying that we should abdicate responsibility but we need to start looking at how we live in society in a different way.
Security -- more of it -- isn't the answer anymore.
you know I wonder if some of this is born out of frustration.
for example - I bought a house I could afford but I could have gotten approved for a lot more (and it was very tempting) if I did come to my senses and tell them all I wanted was a plan old fashioned fix rate loan. As a result I got a rate that was a little higher then people who were tempted with the bigger house in the fancy neighborhood. That's 1 point of frustration - I was penalized for having something stable.
Second point of frustration is that because all those people who were tempted are now getting breaks to make it easier to get refi's or get the banks off their backs. Whereas I followed the rules lived within my means and realize that its going to be harder for me to refi since it seems like all those hit hard due to their eyes being bigger then there belly's come first.
sorry didn't mean for that to be a mini-self involved rant
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2013 14:43:21
No, no. You're right on a lot of this. I was just thinking along similar lines WRT the whole rape thing.
"No means No", however trite that sounds as a mantra, is the answer. But how many modern parentts (alas, myself included) drilled this into their children when they were younger?
We've all seen it - a kid throws some kind of tantrum until the parent gets flustered or otherwise gives in just to get the kid to settle down. That's reinforcing the lesson that pushing until you get your way is the correct behavior.
Which then leads to all kinds of downstream problems.
But then again, what do I know? There's no qualifying exam to be parents, is there? (Wait, there is! I adopted instead of succesfully impregnating my wife, but that's a blog for another day.)
Sorry, sorry. I know. Preaching to the choir. I'll go take my pills now.
But you get my point, dammit!
TriSec on 04/17/2013 14:43:21
Quote by wickedpam:
you know I wonder if some of this is born out of frustration.
for example - I bought a house I could afford but I could have gotten approved for a lot more (and it was very tempting) if I did come to my senses and tell them all I wanted was a plan old fashioned fix rate loan. As a result I got a rate that was a little higher then people who were tempted with the bigger house in the fancy neighborhood. That's 1 point of frustration - I was penalized for having something stable.
Second point of frustration is that because all those people who were tempted are now getting breaks to make it easier to get refi's or get the banks off their backs. Whereas I followed the rules lived within my means and realize that its going to be harder for me to refi since it seems like all those hit hard due to their eyes being bigger then there belly's come first.
sorry didn't mean for that to be a mini-self involved rant
No, no. You're right on a lot of this. I was just thinking along similar lines WRT the whole rape thing.
"No means No", however trite that sounds as a mantra, is the answer. But how many modern parentts (alas, myself included) drilled this into their children when they were younger?
We've all seen it - a kid throws some kind of tantrum until the parent gets flustered or otherwise gives in just to get the kid to settle down. That's reinforcing the lesson that pushing until you get your way is the correct behavior.
Which then leads to all kinds of downstream problems.
But then again, what do I know? There's no qualifying exam to be parents, is there? (Wait, there is! I adopted instead of succesfully impregnating my wife, but that's a blog for another day.)
Sorry, sorry. I know. Preaching to the choir. I'll go take my pills now.
But you get my point, dammit!
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 14:45:08
It's alright. I understand that frustration. I do.
As with everything -- there are exceptions. It's bigger and larger theme of blaming victims for their problems instead of looking at the endemic issues that caused the problems to begin with. You took a path that was less extravagent -- something that wasn't really encouraged beck in the B*sh years.
Raine on 04/17/2013 14:45:08
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Exactly.Quote by wickedpam:
I remember always being on "heightened alert" its exhausting and can not be sustained for an indefinite period of time
Something has to change -- it HAS TO --
We blame to poor for being poor, we blame homeowners for losing their houses, we blame unhealthy people for being unhealthy --
I;m not saying that we should abdicate responsibility but we need to start looking at how we live in society in a different way.
Security -- more of it -- isn't the answer anymore.
you know I wonder if some of this is born out of frustration.
for example - I bought a house I could afford but I could have gotten approved for a lot more (and it was very tempting) if I did come to my senses and tell them all I wanted was a plan old fashioned fix rate loan. As a result I got a rate that was a little higher then people who were tempted with the bigger house in the fancy neighborhood. That's 1 point of frustration - I was penalized for having something stable.
Second point of frustration is that because all those people who were tempted are now getting breaks to make it easier to get refi's or get the banks off their backs. Whereas I followed the rules lived within my means and realize that its going to be harder for me to refi since it seems like all those hit hard due to their eyes being bigger then there belly's come first.
sorry didn't mean for that to be a mini-self involved rant
As with everything -- there are exceptions. It's bigger and larger theme of blaming victims for their problems instead of looking at the endemic issues that caused the problems to begin with. You took a path that was less extravagent -- something that wasn't really encouraged beck in the B*sh years.
Comment by BobR on 04/17/2013 14:46:00
In the 2000s we were at Security Level Orange for how long? Several years?
BobR on 04/17/2013 14:46:00
Quote by Raine:Exactly.Quote by wickedpam:
I remember always being on "heightened alert" its exhausting and can not be sustained for an indefinite period of time
Something has to change -- it HAS TO --
We blame to poor for being poor, we blame homeowners for losing their houses, we blame unhealthy people for being unhealthy --
I;m not saying that we should abdicate responsibility but we need to start looking at how we live in society in a different way.
Security -- more of it -- isn't the answer anymore.
In the 2000s we were at Security Level Orange for how long? Several years?
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 14:46:55
Didn't I sorta say that a few posts back?
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 14:46:55
Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
you know I wonder if some of this is born out of frustration.
for example - I bought a house I could afford but I could have gotten approved for a lot more (and it was very tempting) if I did come to my senses and tell them all I wanted was a plan old fashioned fix rate loan. As a result I got a rate that was a little higher then people who were tempted with the bigger house in the fancy neighborhood. That's 1 point of frustration - I was penalized for having something stable.
Second point of frustration is that because all those people who were tempted are now getting breaks to make it easier to get refi's or get the banks off their backs. Whereas I followed the rules lived within my means and realize that its going to be harder for me to refi since it seems like all those hit hard due to their eyes being bigger then there belly's come first.
sorry didn't mean for that to be a mini-self involved rant
No, no. You're right on a lot of this. I was just thinking along similar lines WRT the whole rape thing.
"No means No", however trite that sounds as a mantra, is the answer. But how many modern parentts (alas, myself included) drilled this into their children when they were younger?
We've all seen it - a kid throws some kind of tantrum until the parent gets flustered or otherwise gives in just to get the kid to settle down. That's reinforcing the lesson that pushing until you get your way is the correct behavior.
Which then leads to all kinds of downstream problems.
But then again, what do I know? There's no qualifying exam to be parents, is there? (Wait, there is! I adopted instead of succesfully impregnating my wife, but that's a blog for another day.)
Sorry, sorry. I know. Preaching to the choir. I'll go take my pills now.
But you get my point, dammit!
Didn't I sorta say that a few posts back?
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2013 14:50:30
true, but also a fear of getting in over my head
but anyway back to the topic at hand
It seems like it almost started in the 80's cause I don't remember it being like that in the 70's - then again at that point I only saw the world with kid eyes
wickedpam on 04/17/2013 14:50:30
Quote by Raine:It's alright. I understand that frustration. I do.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Exactly.Quote by wickedpam:
I remember always being on "heightened alert" its exhausting and can not be sustained for an indefinite period of time
Something has to change -- it HAS TO --
We blame to poor for being poor, we blame homeowners for losing their houses, we blame unhealthy people for being unhealthy --
I;m not saying that we should abdicate responsibility but we need to start looking at how we live in society in a different way.
Security -- more of it -- isn't the answer anymore.
you know I wonder if some of this is born out of frustration.
for example - I bought a house I could afford but I could have gotten approved for a lot more (and it was very tempting) if I did come to my senses and tell them all I wanted was a plan old fashioned fix rate loan. As a result I got a rate that was a little higher then people who were tempted with the bigger house in the fancy neighborhood. That's 1 point of frustration - I was penalized for having something stable.
Second point of frustration is that because all those people who were tempted are now getting breaks to make it easier to get refi's or get the banks off their backs. Whereas I followed the rules lived within my means and realize that its going to be harder for me to refi since it seems like all those hit hard due to their eyes being bigger then there belly's come first.
sorry didn't mean for that to be a mini-self involved rant
As with everything -- there are exceptions. It's bigger and larger theme of blaming victims for their problems instead of looking at the endemic issues that caused the problems to begin with. You took a path that was less extravagent -- something that wasn't really encouraged beck in the B*sh years.
true, but also a fear of getting in over my head
but anyway back to the topic at hand
It seems like it almost started in the 80's cause I don't remember it being like that in the 70's - then again at that point I only saw the world with kid eyes
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 14:53:14
Like everything that is wrong with the country, it started in the 80s. When Reagan was President. He is the root cause of everything.
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 14:53:14
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:It's alright. I understand that frustration. I do.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Exactly.Quote by wickedpam:
I remember always being on "heightened alert" its exhausting and can not be sustained for an indefinite period of time
Something has to change -- it HAS TO --
We blame to poor for being poor, we blame homeowners for losing their houses, we blame unhealthy people for being unhealthy --
I;m not saying that we should abdicate responsibility but we need to start looking at how we live in society in a different way.
Security -- more of it -- isn't the answer anymore.
you know I wonder if some of this is born out of frustration.
for example - I bought a house I could afford but I could have gotten approved for a lot more (and it was very tempting) if I did come to my senses and tell them all I wanted was a plan old fashioned fix rate loan. As a result I got a rate that was a little higher then people who were tempted with the bigger house in the fancy neighborhood. That's 1 point of frustration - I was penalized for having something stable.
Second point of frustration is that because all those people who were tempted are now getting breaks to make it easier to get refi's or get the banks off their backs. Whereas I followed the rules lived within my means and realize that its going to be harder for me to refi since it seems like all those hit hard due to their eyes being bigger then there belly's come first.
sorry didn't mean for that to be a mini-self involved rant
As with everything -- there are exceptions. It's bigger and larger theme of blaming victims for their problems instead of looking at the endemic issues that caused the problems to begin with. You took a path that was less extravagent -- something that wasn't really encouraged beck in the B*sh years.
true, but also a fear of getting in over my head
but anyway back to the topic at hand
It seems like it almost started in the 80's cause I don't remember it being like that in the 70's - then again at that point I only saw the world with kid eyes
Like everything that is wrong with the country, it started in the 80s. When Reagan was President. He is the root cause of everything.
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2013 14:55:34
totally, you're a 4 star parent and I have faith that you will teach the awesome Javi all the important and not so important stuff :D
the Teen Mom's on the other hand - I have very little faith in
wickedpam on 04/17/2013 14:55:34
Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
you know I wonder if some of this is born out of frustration.
for example - I bought a house I could afford but I could have gotten approved for a lot more (and it was very tempting) if I did come to my senses and tell them all I wanted was a plan old fashioned fix rate loan. As a result I got a rate that was a little higher then people who were tempted with the bigger house in the fancy neighborhood. That's 1 point of frustration - I was penalized for having something stable.
Second point of frustration is that because all those people who were tempted are now getting breaks to make it easier to get refi's or get the banks off their backs. Whereas I followed the rules lived within my means and realize that its going to be harder for me to refi since it seems like all those hit hard due to their eyes being bigger then there belly's come first.
sorry didn't mean for that to be a mini-self involved rant
No, no. You're right on a lot of this. I was just thinking along similar lines WRT the whole rape thing.
"No means No", however trite that sounds as a mantra, is the answer. But how many modern parentts (alas, myself included) drilled this into their children when they were younger?
We've all seen it - a kid throws some kind of tantrum until the parent gets flustered or otherwise gives in just to get the kid to settle down. That's reinforcing the lesson that pushing until you get your way is the correct behavior.
Which then leads to all kinds of downstream problems.
But then again, what do I know? There's no qualifying exam to be parents, is there? (Wait, there is! I adopted instead of succesfully impregnating my wife, but that's a blog for another day.)
Sorry, sorry. I know. Preaching to the choir. I'll go take my pills now.
But you get my point, dammit!
totally, you're a 4 star parent and I have faith that you will teach the awesome Javi all the important and not so important stuff :D
the Teen Mom's on the other hand - I have very little faith in
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2013 14:56:20
even big hair and neon color changing clothes
wickedpam on 04/17/2013 14:56:20
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:It's alright. I understand that frustration. I do.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Exactly.Quote by wickedpam:
I remember always being on "heightened alert" its exhausting and can not be sustained for an indefinite period of time
Something has to change -- it HAS TO --
We blame to poor for being poor, we blame homeowners for losing their houses, we blame unhealthy people for being unhealthy --
I;m not saying that we should abdicate responsibility but we need to start looking at how we live in society in a different way.
Security -- more of it -- isn't the answer anymore.
you know I wonder if some of this is born out of frustration.
for example - I bought a house I could afford but I could have gotten approved for a lot more (and it was very tempting) if I did come to my senses and tell them all I wanted was a plan old fashioned fix rate loan. As a result I got a rate that was a little higher then people who were tempted with the bigger house in the fancy neighborhood. That's 1 point of frustration - I was penalized for having something stable.
Second point of frustration is that because all those people who were tempted are now getting breaks to make it easier to get refi's or get the banks off their backs. Whereas I followed the rules lived within my means and realize that its going to be harder for me to refi since it seems like all those hit hard due to their eyes being bigger then there belly's come first.
sorry didn't mean for that to be a mini-self involved rant
As with everything -- there are exceptions. It's bigger and larger theme of blaming victims for their problems instead of looking at the endemic issues that caused the problems to begin with. You took a path that was less extravagent -- something that wasn't really encouraged beck in the B*sh years.
true, but also a fear of getting in over my head
but anyway back to the topic at hand
It seems like it almost started in the 80's cause I don't remember it being like that in the 70's - then again at that point I only saw the world with kid eyes
Like everything that is wrong with the country, it started in the 80s. When Reagan was President. He is the root cause of everything.
even big hair and neon color changing clothes
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 14:57:50
Give me a few minutes and I can come up with a seemingly factual causation..
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 14:57:50
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:It's alright. I understand that frustration. I do.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Exactly.Quote by wickedpam:
I remember always being on "heightened alert" its exhausting and can not be sustained for an indefinite period of time
Something has to change -- it HAS TO --
We blame to poor for being poor, we blame homeowners for losing their houses, we blame unhealthy people for being unhealthy --
I;m not saying that we should abdicate responsibility but we need to start looking at how we live in society in a different way.
Security -- more of it -- isn't the answer anymore.
you know I wonder if some of this is born out of frustration.
for example - I bought a house I could afford but I could have gotten approved for a lot more (and it was very tempting) if I did come to my senses and tell them all I wanted was a plan old fashioned fix rate loan. As a result I got a rate that was a little higher then people who were tempted with the bigger house in the fancy neighborhood. That's 1 point of frustration - I was penalized for having something stable.
Second point of frustration is that because all those people who were tempted are now getting breaks to make it easier to get refi's or get the banks off their backs. Whereas I followed the rules lived within my means and realize that its going to be harder for me to refi since it seems like all those hit hard due to their eyes being bigger then there belly's come first.
sorry didn't mean for that to be a mini-self involved rant
As with everything -- there are exceptions. It's bigger and larger theme of blaming victims for their problems instead of looking at the endemic issues that caused the problems to begin with. You took a path that was less extravagent -- something that wasn't really encouraged beck in the B*sh years.
true, but also a fear of getting in over my head
but anyway back to the topic at hand
It seems like it almost started in the 80's cause I don't remember it being like that in the 70's - then again at that point I only saw the world with kid eyes
Like everything that is wrong with the country, it started in the 80s. When Reagan was President. He is the root cause of everything.
even big hair and neon color changing clothes
Give me a few minutes and I can come up with a seemingly factual causation..
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2013 15:10:33
wickedpam on 04/17/2013 15:10:33
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 15:11:49
A creepy creeper?
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 15:11:49
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Is it me, or is Mark Sandford kinda creepy?
no, he's a creeper
A creepy creeper?
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 15:13:18
Raine on 04/17/2013 15:13:18
This idea of teaching kids that no means no is very well and good -- but somewhere along the line, the lack of saying the word no seems to indicate to some monsters that it means yes.
There is something wrong.
There is something wrong.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 15:21:14
Good point. Very good point. Your actions in a situation, body language etc can also mean no as well. How do you train young people to understand this?
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 15:21:14
Quote by Raine:
This idea of teaching kids that no means no is very well and good -- but somewhere along the line, the lack of saying the word no seems to indicate to some monsters that it means yes.
There is something wrong.
Good point. Very good point. Your actions in a situation, body language etc can also mean no as well. How do you train young people to understand this?
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 04/17/2013 15:23:04
Will in Chicago on 04/17/2013 15:23:04
Good morning, bloggers!
Raine, thanks for a great blog. We seem to have an industry that exists in blaming victims. Too often, I hear the attitude that it is the victims to blame and any wrong that exists is because of them. Somehow, I doubt such people would say the same if they or someone close to them were the victims of a crime.
Raine, thanks for a great blog. We seem to have an industry that exists in blaming victims. Too often, I hear the attitude that it is the victims to blame and any wrong that exists is because of them. Somehow, I doubt such people would say the same if they or someone close to them were the victims of a crime.
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2013 15:23:17
Ha. Put it on the NCLB testing, then such things will have to be taught. [/snark]
TriSec on 04/17/2013 15:23:17
Quote by Mondobubba:
Good point. Very good point. Your actions in a situation, body language etc can also mean no as well. How do you train young people to understand this?
Ha. Put it on the NCLB testing, then such things will have to be taught. [/snark]
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 15:23:33
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 15:23:33
Another day, another Texas Republican says something really stupid. Everything (including the stupid) is bigger in Texas.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 04/17/2013 15:23:43
I will NEVER understand European lighting standards.
trojanrabbit on 04/17/2013 15:23:43
I will NEVER understand European lighting standards.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 15:27:09
Raine on 04/17/2013 15:27:09
here we go again... Second letter with RICIN sent
To Obama.
To Obama.
@TerryMoran BREAKING: @ABC has learned a SECOND letter sent to the US Senate has tested positive for the poison ricin.
Comment by 
clintster on 04/17/2013 15:28:00
clintster on 04/17/2013 15:28:00
Thank you for the blog today, Raine. I've actually been thinking on writing on a similar vein in light of Steubenville and the recent rash of fatal slut-shaming. Sen. McConnell's "complacency" remarks were the straws that broke the camel's back.
I'm not sure when to have the talk with Ian. He is simultaneously knowledgable and innocent when it comes to human sexuality. He was calling the equipment "noodle" and "noodle-hole" when he was 4 (he uses much more medically accurate terms now), and knows when something on TV is "sexy". Even so, he has far more interest in Angry Birds than in "sexiness".
There will come a time, I know, when I will have to sit down with him and let him know the facts of sexuality and behavior around the opposite sex (or same sex if he feels those stirrings).
I'm not sure when to have the talk with Ian. He is simultaneously knowledgable and innocent when it comes to human sexuality. He was calling the equipment "noodle" and "noodle-hole" when he was 4 (he uses much more medically accurate terms now), and knows when something on TV is "sexy". Even so, he has far more interest in Angry Birds than in "sexiness".
There will come a time, I know, when I will have to sit down with him and let him know the facts of sexuality and behavior around the opposite sex (or same sex if he feels those stirrings).
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 15:30:40
Riiiight!
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 15:30:40
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Good point. Very good point. Your actions in a situation, body language etc can also mean no as well. How do you train young people to understand this?
Ha. Put it on the NCLB testing, then such things will have to be taught. [/snark]
Riiiight!
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2013 15:31:25
it does seem to be a pattern
now all we need is a random sniper
wickedpam on 04/17/2013 15:31:25
Quote by Raine:
here we go again... Second letter with RICIN sent
To Obama.@TerryMoran BREAKING: @ABC has learned a SECOND letter sent to the US Senate has tested positive for the poison ricin.
it does seem to be a pattern
now all we need is a random sniper
Comment by clintster on 04/17/2013 15:31:32
Huh. I was expecting Goemert.
clintster on 04/17/2013 15:31:32
Quote by Mondobubba:
Another day, another Texas Republican says something really stupid. Everything (including the stupid) is bigger in Texas.
Huh. I was expecting Goemert.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 15:34:34
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 15:34:34
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 15:34:43
It's a bit sad that we even have to have these talks. It's one thing to talk about the birds and the bees --it is totally another that young *non-white* kids need to be taught how not to get arrested, killed, etc., that girls have to be taught how not to be raped and somehow we need to teach boys what rape is.
I know that part of this is the societal change that has happened since the social changes that really came to light in the 60's-- before that rape was never mentioned. It didn't happen... or so was the thought. Just ask Emmit Till's mother.
Do you see what I mean?
Raine on 04/17/2013 15:34:43
Quote by clintster:
Thank you for the blog today, Raine. I've actually been thinking on writing on a similar vein in light of Steubenville and the recent rash of fatal slut-shaming. Sen. McConnell's "complacency" remarks were the straws that broke the camel's back.
I'm not sure when to have the talk with Ian. He is simultaneously knowledgable and innocent when it comes to human sexuality. He was calling the equipment "noodle" and "noodle-hole" when he was 4 (he uses much more medically accurate terms now), and knows when something on TV is "sexy". Even so, he has far more interest in Angry Birds than in "sexiness".
There will come a time, I know, when I will have to sit down with him and let him know the facts of sexuality and behavior around the opposite sex (or same sex if he feels those stirrings).
I know that part of this is the societal change that has happened since the social changes that really came to light in the 60's-- before that rape was never mentioned. It didn't happen... or so was the thought. Just ask Emmit Till's mother.
Do you see what I mean?
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 15:35:28
Oh if had been Ghoemert, I would have said so! He is my favorite stupid Texas Republican.
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 15:35:28
Quote by clintster:Quote by Mondobubba:
Another day, another Texas Republican says something really stupid. Everything (including the stupid) is bigger in Texas.
Huh. I was expecting Goemert.
Oh if had been Ghoemert, I would have said so! He is my favorite stupid Texas Republican.
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2013 15:37:01
the creepiest
wickedpam on 04/17/2013 15:37:01
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Is it me, or is Mark Sandford kinda creepy?
no, he's a creeper
the creepiest
Comment by clintster on 04/17/2013 15:44:54
clintster on 04/17/2013 15:44:54
What the hell?
A suspicious package at Sen. Richard Shelby's office? Whoever is doing this is really going for maximum trollage.
A suspicious package at Sen. Richard Shelby's office? Whoever is doing this is really going for maximum trollage.
Comment by BobR on 04/17/2013 15:45:56
Some expert said on Maddow last night that they get a lot of false positives. Ricin false positives are the largest percentage. We won't know until later today whether these are truly tainted.
This is only a story because of the bombing.
BobR on 04/17/2013 15:45:56
Quote by Raine:
here we go again... Second letter with RICIN sent
To Obama.@TerryMoran BREAKING: @ABC has learned a SECOND letter sent to the US Senate has tested positive for the poison ricin.
Some expert said on Maddow last night that they get a lot of false positives. Ricin false positives are the largest percentage. We won't know until later today whether these are truly tainted.
This is only a story because of the bombing.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 15:46:53
mmhmm, yup.
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 15:46:53
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
here we go again... Second letter with RICIN sent
To Obama.@TerryMoran BREAKING: @ABC has learned a SECOND letter sent to the US Senate has tested positive for the poison ricin.
Some expert said on Maddow last night that they get a lot of false positives. Ricin false positives are the largest percentage. We won't know until later today whether these are truly tainted.
This is only a story because of the bombing.
mmhmm, yup.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 15:59:12
I thought this wa a nice touch from The New Yorker: 
Raine on 04/17/2013 15:59:12
Quote by TriSec:
[ tips Red Sox cap towards the Bronx ]
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 16:08:01
Raine on 04/17/2013 16:08:01
It's got to be a joke, right?
Comment by BobR on 04/17/2013 16:24:02
They were hacked by Anonymous
BobR on 04/17/2013 16:24:02
Quote by Raine:
It's got to be a joke, right?
They were hacked by Anonymous
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 16:29:55
Well, yes... but I am looking at the dates, and it looks like they are going back a few weeks at least.
I;m sorta wondering if this is a fake WBC FB page.
Raine on 04/17/2013 16:29:55
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
It's got to be a joke, right?
They were hacked by Anonymous
I;m sorta wondering if this is a fake WBC FB page.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 16:34:24
Raine on 04/17/2013 16:34:24
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 16:35:24
Schya! It'chs a joke! Schecond Scheason of TNG wasch a joke!
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 16:35:24
Quote by Raine:
take a look At WBC FB page:
Schya! It'chs a joke! Schecond Scheason of TNG wasch a joke!
Comment by trojanrabbit on 04/17/2013 16:37:25
trojanrabbit on 04/17/2013 16:37:25
Did the WB"C" even have a FB page before?
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 16:37:28
It get's a little creepier.... here is his statement: 
Raine on 04/17/2013 16:37:28
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Is it me, or is Mark Sandford kinda creepy?
no, he's a creeper
the creepiest
"It's an unfortunate reality that divorced couples sometimes have disagreements that spill over into family court. I did indeed watch the second half of the Super Bowl at the beach house with our 14 year-old son because as a father I didn’t think he should watch it alone. Given she was out of town I tried to reach her beforehand to tell her of the situation that had arisen, and met her at the back steps under the light of my cell phone when she returned and told her what had happened.
“There is always another side to every story, and while I am particularly curious how records that were sealed to avoid the boys dealing with embarrassment are now somehow exposed less than three weeks before this election, I agree with Jenny that the media is no place to debate what is ultimately a family court matter, and out of respect for Jenny and the boys, I'm not going to have any further comment at this time,†Sanford said.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 16:38:21
You know when you eat sushi you contribute the the depletion of tuna stocks world wide? It screws up the whole ecosystem since you remove a top predator. Just sayin. I mean that should be the real sushi controversy!
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 16:38:21
Quote by Raine:
Aside from our sushi controversies, I really love living in Del Ray
You know when you eat sushi you contribute the the depletion of tuna stocks world wide? It screws up the whole ecosystem since you remove a top predator. Just sayin. I mean that should be the real sushi controversy!
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 16:38:51
That is what I am trying to figure out.
and from now on, I am going to try and follow your lead and call it WB"C" -- nicely done, Rabbit.
Raine on 04/17/2013 16:38:51
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Did the WB"C" even have a FB page before?
and from now on, I am going to try and follow your lead and call it WB"C" -- nicely done, Rabbit.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 16:39:09
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 16:39:09
Quote by Raine:It get's a little creepier.... here is his statement:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Is it me, or is Mark Sandford kinda creepy?
no, he's a creeper
the creepiest"It's an unfortunate reality that divorced couples sometimes have disagreements that spill over into family court. I did indeed watch the second half of the Super Bowl at the beach house with our 14 year-old son because as a father I didn’t think he should watch it alone. Given she was out of town I tried to reach her beforehand to tell her of the situation that had arisen, and met her at the back steps under the light of my cell phone when she returned and told her what had happened.
“There is always another side to every story, and while I am particularly curious how records that were sealed to avoid the boys dealing with embarrassment are now somehow exposed less than three weeks before this election, I agree with Jenny that the media is no place to debate what is ultimately a family court matter, and out of respect for Jenny and the boys, I'm not going to have any further comment at this time,†Sanford said.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 16:40:13
I'll give you my sushi when you pry it from my cold, dead hands
Raine on 04/17/2013 16:40:13
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Aside from our sushi controversies, I really love living in Del Ray
You know when you eat sushi you contribute the the depletion of tuna stocks world wide? It screws up the whole ecosystem since you remove a top predator. Just sayin. I mean that should be the real sushi controversy!
I'll give you my sushi when you pry it from my cold, dead hands
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 16:44:05
bold face added: He's trying to blame Colbert-Busch... He's curious you know. 
Raine on 04/17/2013 16:44:05
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:It get's a little creepier.... here is his statement:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Is it me, or is Mark Sandford kinda creepy?
no, he's a creeper
the creepiest"It's an unfortunate reality that divorced couples sometimes have disagreements that spill over into family court. I did indeed watch the second half of the Super Bowl at the beach house with our 14 year-old son because as a father I didn’t think he should watch it alone. Given she was out of town I tried to reach her beforehand to tell her of the situation that had arisen, and met her at the back steps under the light of my cell phone when she returned and told her what had happened.
“There is always another side to every story, and while I am particularly curious how records that were sealed to avoid the boys dealing with embarrassment are now somehow exposed less than three weeks before this election, I agree with Jenny that the media is no place to debate what is ultimately a family court matter, and out of respect for Jenny and the boys, I'm not going to have any further comment at this time,†Sanford said.
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2013 16:49:23
Ya know, the last time I fished out at Stellwagen, the Buy Boat was offering up $40 a pound hanging weight . You do the math on a typical 800-pound tuna.
TriSec on 04/17/2013 16:49:23
Quote by Mondobubba:
You know when you eat sushi you contribute the the depletion of tuna stocks world wide? It screws up the whole ecosystem since you remove a top predator. Just sayin. I mean that should be the real sushi controversy!
Ya know, the last time I fished out at Stellwagen, the Buy Boat was offering up $40 a pound hanging weight . You do the math on a typical 800-pound tuna.
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2013 16:57:38
TriSec on 04/17/2013 16:57:38
Speaking of our friends from Westboro, I"ve been prowling for anything concrete. Although they are intrinsically cowards, I wouldn't actually expect them to show up.
Or, as another poster has recently observed (in line with what all of us are saying in this city)
Or, as another poster has recently observed (in line with what all of us are saying in this city)
Dear @wbcsays, I wouldn't fuck with the people of Boston when they're mad.#BostonBeatDown
Anonymous (@YourAnonNews) April 16, 2013
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 17:10:29
Yeah I know, human greed for raw fish and the price etc.
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 17:10:29
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
You know when you eat sushi you contribute the the depletion of tuna stocks world wide? It screws up the whole ecosystem since you remove a top predator. Just sayin. I mean that should be the real sushi controversy!
Ya know, the last time I fished out at Stellwagen, the Buy Boat was offering up $40 a pound hanging weight . You do the math on a typical 800-pound tuna.
Yeah I know, human greed for raw fish and the price etc.
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2013 17:15:05
TriSec on 04/17/2013 17:15:05
Of course, the Buy Boat flew a Rising Sun flag. I knew guys that used to fish out there, they would get cash on the barrelhead for the transaction.
One fish makes the whole year.
One fish makes the whole year.
Comment by 
livingonli on 04/17/2013 17:16:24
livingonli on 04/17/2013 17:16:24
Hi, everybody. Sleeping late continues and I hate telemarketers who call in the morning while I am trying to sleep.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 17:32:50
Hey, how was guys night out?
Raine on 04/17/2013 17:32:50
Quote by livingonli:
Hi, everybody. Sleeping late continues and I hate telemarketers who call in the morning while I am trying to sleep.
Hey, how was guys night out?
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 17:33:43
Raine on 04/17/2013 17:33:43
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2013 17:39:45
Not bad although 2 of our party bailed out. One due to an actual emergency, and still trying to figure why the other was a no-show. Although I think the shakes got me bloated.
livingonli on 04/17/2013 17:39:45
Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:
Hi, everybody. Sleeping late continues and I hate telemarketers who call in the morning while I am trying to sleep.
Hey, how was guys night out?
Not bad although 2 of our party bailed out. One due to an actual emergency, and still trying to figure why the other was a no-show. Although I think the shakes got me bloated.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 17:40:37
Raine on 04/17/2013 17:40:37
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 17:41:31
Well, sorry about the bloat. Glad you got out and had some fun.
Raine on 04/17/2013 17:41:31
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:
Hi, everybody. Sleeping late continues and I hate telemarketers who call in the morning while I am trying to sleep.
Hey, how was guys night out?
Not bad although 2 of our party bailed out. One due to an actual emergency, and still trying to figure why the other was a no-show. Although I think the shakes got me bloated.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 17:45:00
Raine on 04/17/2013 17:45:00
AP is reporting that an arrest is imminent.
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2013 17:49:40
The Herald is the Right-wing rag since it's owned by Rupert. The Globe had been owned by the Times for awhile but they are trying to unload it.
livingonli on 04/17/2013 17:49:40
Quote by Raine:
Is the Boston Globe the RWRag? I ask because they have this story.
The Herald is the Right-wing rag since it's owned by Rupert. The Globe had been owned by the Times for awhile but they are trying to unload it.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 04/17/2013 17:50:16
The Globe is the dirty liberal rag owned by the NY Times. The Herald is the Murdoch owned fish-wrap.
trojanrabbit on 04/17/2013 17:50:16
Quote by Raine:
Is the Boston Globe the RWRag? I ask because they have this story.
The Globe is the dirty liberal rag owned by the NY Times. The Herald is the Murdoch owned fish-wrap.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 17:56:27
Thanks Rabbit.
*herald* got it.
Raine on 04/17/2013 17:56:27
Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by Raine:
Is the Boston Globe the RWRag? I ask because they have this story.
The Globe is the dirty liberal rag owned by the NY Times. The Herald is the Murdoch owned fish-wrap.
*herald* got it.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 18:17:21
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 18:17:21
Tri, that price you mentioned isn't even for sushi grade tuna. The price for that is wicked high.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 18:17:28
Raine on 04/17/2013 18:17:28
BTW, F*CK you CNN for saying the suspect is brown skinned. F*CK YOU.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 18:18:55
See "Wicked Tunarh" on NatGeo.
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 18:18:55
Quote by TriSec:
Of course, the Buy Boat flew a Rising Sun flag. I knew guys that used to fish out there, they would get cash on the barrelhead for the transaction.
One fish makes the whole year.
See "Wicked Tunarh" on NatGeo.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 18:20:53
Really? Not even in a quote?
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 18:20:53
Quote by Raine:
BTW, F*CK you CNN for saying the suspect is brown skinned. F*CK YOU.
Really? Not even in a quote?
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2013 18:20:55
TriSec on 04/17/2013 18:20:55
Breaking now - suspect arrested, to be arraigned in federal court. This is so new there isn't a link at Boston.com yet, just a banner headline.
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2013 18:24:06
I haven't been out to sea in years; that's a historical price I quoted. I'm sure it's much higher now.
TriSec on 04/17/2013 18:24:06
Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri, that price you mentioned isn't even for sushi grade tuna. The price for that is wicked high.
I haven't been out to sea in years; that's a historical price I quoted. I'm sure it's much higher now.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 18:25:12
I'm just gonna sit back now and wait. Half the media is saying an arrest has been made the other half say no one has been arrested.
AP reported an arrest is imminent and that the suspect will be arraigned in court. I think that might be the most accurate report right now -- that says to me they have someone who has confessed.
I could be wrong.
Raine on 04/17/2013 18:25:12
Quote by TriSec:
Breaking now - suspect arrested, to be arraigned in federal court. This is so new there isn't a link at Boston.com yet, just a banner headline.
I'm just gonna sit back now and wait. Half the media is saying an arrest has been made the other half say no one has been arrested.
AP reported an arrest is imminent and that the suspect will be arraigned in court. I think that might be the most accurate report right now -- that says to me they have someone who has confessed.
I could be wrong.
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2013 18:26:01
That's probably best - it could be a false alarm
wickedpam on 04/17/2013 18:26:01
Quote by Raine:Quote by TriSec:
Breaking now - suspect arrested, to be arraigned in federal court. This is so new there isn't a link at Boston.com yet, just a banner headline.
I'm just gonna sit back now and wait. Half the media is saying an arrest has been made the other half say no one has been arrested.
AP reported an arrest is imminent and that the suspect will be arraigned in court. I think that might be the most accurate report right now -- that says to me they have someone who has confessed.
I could be wrong.
That's probably best - it could be a false alarm
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2013 18:26:12
An official briefed on the Boston Marathon bombing investigation told the Globe today that an arrest is imminent in the case, as Associated Press is reporting that a suspect is in custody.
Two Globe sources pointed to both cellphone photos and video footage as providing the break that led to the identification of a suspect.
One source said earlier in the day that an image of a suspect carrying, and perhaps dropping, a black bag at the second bombing scene on Boylston Street, outside of the Forum restaurant.
Investigators are “very close†in the investigation, said the official, who declined to be named.
That official said authorities may publicize their finding as early as this afternoon.
The official also said a surveillance camera at Lord & Taylor, located directly across the street, has provided clear video of the area, though it was unclear whether the image of the suspect was taken from that camera.
Authorities planned to brief the media on the progress of the investigation at 4 p.m. today.
“The camera from Lord & Taylor is the best source of video so far,†said Dot Joyce, a spokeswoman for Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino. “All I know is that they are making progress.â€
No mention was made of the suspect's skin tone. However, a dark bag was used to place the infernal device, so I guess that's close enough, right?
TriSec on 04/17/2013 18:26:12
An official briefed on the Boston Marathon bombing investigation told the Globe today that an arrest is imminent in the case, as Associated Press is reporting that a suspect is in custody.
Two Globe sources pointed to both cellphone photos and video footage as providing the break that led to the identification of a suspect.
One source said earlier in the day that an image of a suspect carrying, and perhaps dropping, a black bag at the second bombing scene on Boylston Street, outside of the Forum restaurant.
Investigators are “very close†in the investigation, said the official, who declined to be named.
That official said authorities may publicize their finding as early as this afternoon.
The official also said a surveillance camera at Lord & Taylor, located directly across the street, has provided clear video of the area, though it was unclear whether the image of the suspect was taken from that camera.
Authorities planned to brief the media on the progress of the investigation at 4 p.m. today.
“The camera from Lord & Taylor is the best source of video so far,†said Dot Joyce, a spokeswoman for Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino. “All I know is that they are making progress.â€
No mention was made of the suspect's skin tone. However, a dark bag was used to place the infernal device, so I guess that's close enough, right?
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2013 18:29:31
TriSec on 04/17/2013 18:29:31
By all that is Holy, let the person's name not be Mohammed or any variant thereof. In the name of Allah.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 18:29:33
Raine on 04/17/2013 18:29:33
Watching twitter:
CNN is now walking back the arrest claim.
CNN is now walking back the arrest claim.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 18:31:02
This is the story that sounds most plausible. The FBI is going to have a brief at 5 pm.
Raine on 04/17/2013 18:31:02
Quote by TriSec:
An official briefed on the Boston Marathon bombing investigation told the Globe today that an arrest is imminent in the case, as Associated Press is reporting that a suspect is in custody.
Two Globe sources pointed to both cellphone photos and video footage as providing the break that led to the identification of a suspect.
One source said earlier in the day that an image of a suspect carrying, and perhaps dropping, a black bag at the second bombing scene on Boylston Street, outside of the Forum restaurant.
Investigators are “very close†in the investigation, said the official, who declined to be named.
That official said authorities may publicize their finding as early as this afternoon.
The official also said a surveillance camera at Lord & Taylor, located directly across the street, has provided clear video of the area, though it was unclear whether the image of the suspect was taken from that camera.
Authorities planned to brief the media on the progress of the investigation at 4 p.m. today.
“The camera from Lord & Taylor is the best source of video so far,†said Dot Joyce, a spokeswoman for Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino. “All I know is that they are making progress.â€
No mention was made of the suspect's skin tone. However, a dark bag was used to place the infernal device, so I guess that's close enough, right?
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 18:31:33
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 18:31:33
MSNBC says authorities are looking for a suspect.
CNN YOU SUCK DONKEY BALLS!
CNN YOU SUCK DONKEY BALLS!
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 18:32:58
McCaul works for DHS.
Raine on 04/17/2013 18:32:58
@TheFix 11m
RT @frankthorpnbc: Chairman McCaul: "I have confirmation from the FBI that they have not, they do not have anybody in custody at this time."
McCaul works for DHS.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 18:34:28
Raine on 04/17/2013 18:34:28
Please, please, please -- no more Richard Jewels. 
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 18:35:21
That is pretty much what is on the MSNBC/ NBC new site.
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 18:35:21
Quote by TriSec:
An official briefed on the Boston Marathon bombing investigation told the Globe today that an arrest is imminent in the case, as Associated Press is reporting that a suspect is in custody.
Two Globe sources pointed to both cellphone photos and video footage as providing the break that led to the identification of a suspect.
One source said earlier in the day that an image of a suspect carrying, and perhaps dropping, a black bag at the second bombing scene on Boylston Street, outside of the Forum restaurant.
Investigators are “very close†in the investigation, said the official, who declined to be named.
That official said authorities may publicize their finding as early as this afternoon.
The official also said a surveillance camera at Lord & Taylor, located directly across the street, has provided clear video of the area, though it was unclear whether the image of the suspect was taken from that camera.
Authorities planned to brief the media on the progress of the investigation at 4 p.m. today.
“The camera from Lord & Taylor is the best source of video so far,†said Dot Joyce, a spokeswoman for Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino. “All I know is that they are making progress.â€
No mention was made of the suspect's skin tone. However, a dark bag was used to place the infernal device, so I guess that's close enough, right?
That is pretty much what is on the MSNBC/ NBC new site.
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2013 18:36:38
TriSec on 04/17/2013 18:36:38
Globe feed:
The US Attorney's office has put out a statement that there has been no arrest and no one is in custody, according to the Globe.by Teresa Hanafin, Boston.com 4/17/2013
Despite reports to the contrary there has not been an arrest in the Marathon attack.by Boston Police Dept. via twitter 4/17/2013
BREAKING NEWS: Globe source: A suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings is being taken to US District Court at the Moakley Federal Courthouse on the South Boston waterfront. www.boston.comby Adrienne Lavidor-Berman edited by Teresa Hanafin, Boston.com 4/17/2013
The US Attorney's office has put out a statement that there has been no arrest and no one is in custody, according to the Globe.by Teresa Hanafin, Boston.com 4/17/2013
Despite reports to the contrary there has not been an arrest in the Marathon attack.by Boston Police Dept. via twitter 4/17/2013
BREAKING NEWS: Globe source: A suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings is being taken to US District Court at the Moakley Federal Courthouse on the South Boston waterfront. www.boston.comby Adrienne Lavidor-Berman edited by Teresa Hanafin, Boston.com 4/17/2013
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2013 18:39:11
TriSec on 04/17/2013 18:39:11
Nobody knows.
The Globe "Breaking News" headline has changed the last 3 times I refreshed with contradictory information.
The Globe "Breaking News" headline has changed the last 3 times I refreshed with contradictory information.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 18:41:01
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 18:41:01
Amanda Thatcher, the Evil Woman's granddaughter, goes to school at the uni where my cousin works!
Amanda Thatcher is now studying at the University of Richmond in Virginia; her school reports show she was a talented sportswoman, excelling in athletics, and was voted "most likely to change the world" by her high school peers."
Comment by trojanrabbit on 04/17/2013 18:48:48
trojanrabbit on 04/17/2013 18:48:48
Dear Media (especially CNN)
GO FUCK YOURSELF! MANY TIMES
Then discharge a defibrillator across your genitals!
Sincerely
Trojanrabbit
GO FUCK YOURSELF! MANY TIMES
Then discharge a defibrillator across your genitals!
Sincerely
Trojanrabbit
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2013 18:50:55
TriSec on 04/17/2013 18:50:55
Now the Globe is emphatically reporting "NO ARRESTS, NO ONE IN CUSTODY".
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2013 18:52:01
Well, let's pull up a chair and wait for terrorism, natural disasters, and economic collapse. Or does the Westboro "god" only prefer rebuking these United States?
TriSec on 04/17/2013 18:52:01
Quote by Mondobubba:
Meanwhile, in New Zeeland.
Well, let's pull up a chair and wait for terrorism, natural disasters, and economic collapse. Or does the Westboro "god" only prefer rebuking these United States?
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 19:11:16
Raine on 04/17/2013 19:11:16
I have a gut feeling that CNN may have reported something that the FBI didn't want reported until they were ready to report it themselves.
They broke this story. They broke it before feds said anything. Now it is all over the damn place.
I'm just going to leave my comment here.
They broke this story. They broke it before feds said anything. Now it is all over the damn place.
I'm just going to leave my comment here.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 04/17/2013 19:13:35
Will in Chicago on 04/17/2013 19:13:35
I was a print reporter and told to get things right. Until you are 100 percent certain, do not report something as factual. It is one thing to say that sources close to an investigation expect an arrest soon. It is another to say tha a suspect is in custody.
In some good news, I am sending out lots of applications. One headache with a commonly used application system is that it only lets me send out three letters of reference. So, I have to chose which ones to use. (Two are from last year, so I use those. One from an Arizona professor is from 2009 and everything else is older than that.)
In some good news, I am sending out lots of applications. One headache with a commonly used application system is that it only lets me send out three letters of reference. So, I have to chose which ones to use. (Two are from last year, so I use those. One from an Arizona professor is from 2009 and everything else is older than that.)
Comment by trojanrabbit on 04/17/2013 19:22:21
If they had a broadcast license it should be pulled. Either that or CNN's higher ups should be brought in on charges of obstruction of justice.
trojanrabbit on 04/17/2013 19:22:21
Quote by Raine:
I have a gut feeling that CNN may have reported something that the FBI didn't want reported until they were ready to report it themselves.
They broke this story. They broke it before feds said anything. Now it is all over the damn place.
I'm just going to leave my comment here.
If they had a broadcast license it should be pulled. Either that or CNN's higher ups should be brought in on charges of obstruction of justice.
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2013 19:24:51
livingonli on 04/17/2013 19:24:51
I know the people at Fox are probably hoping that the suspect is of Arab or Muslim background, because what will the reaction be if the suspect turns out to be another right-wing nutjob since even enough evidence (especially the timing) could lead to that being the suspect?
Comment by trojanrabbit on 04/17/2013 19:26:06
trojanrabbit on 04/17/2013 19:26:06
Mrs Rabbit is saying WBZ says that a bomb threat was phoned into the federal courthouse.
I doubt I'd believe ANYTHING the media tells me any more. Even if they said the sky is blue.
I doubt I'd believe ANYTHING the media tells me any more. Even if they said the sky is blue.
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2013 19:27:55
TriSec on 04/17/2013 19:27:55
Globe is once again reporting that a suspect is actually in custody.
And in other news, the Moakley Courthouse on the Fan Pier is currently being evacuated due to a bomb threat.
"Battle of Los Angeles" much, people? I mean seriously, WTF is going on around here??
And in other news, the Moakley Courthouse on the Fan Pier is currently being evacuated due to a bomb threat.
"Battle of Los Angeles" much, people? I mean seriously, WTF is going on around here??
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 19:36:22
live local feed.
Raine on 04/17/2013 19:36:22
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Mrs Rabbit is saying WBZ says that a bomb threat was phoned into the federal courthouse.
I doubt I'd believe ANYTHING the media tells me any more. Even if they said the sky is blue.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 19:37:26
Twitter slams CNN.
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 19:37:26
Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by Raine:
I have a gut feeling that CNN may have reported something that the FBI didn't want reported until they were ready to report it themselves.
They broke this story. They broke it before feds said anything. Now it is all over the damn place.
I'm just going to leave my comment here.
If they had a broadcast license it should be pulled. Either that or CNN's higher ups should be brought in on charges of obstruction of justice.
Twitter slams CNN.
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 19:49:20
Raine on 04/17/2013 19:49:20
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 19:59:03
Had they not jumped on something with dubious sourcing, they wouldn't be getting pounded.
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 19:59:03
Quote by Raine:I've been seeing that as well.Quote by Mondobubba:
Twitter slams CNN.
This is getting ridiculous.
Had they not jumped on something with dubious sourcing, they wouldn't be getting pounded.
Comment by TriSec on 04/17/2013 20:05:48
TriSec on 04/17/2013 20:05:48
Reading some of the "other news" of the day.
Mr. Gorbachev did not attend PM Thatcher's funeral "due to age". Methinks this doesn't bode well.
Mr. Gorbachev did not attend PM Thatcher's funeral "due to age". Methinks this doesn't bode well.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 20:16:33
Dude's 82. Margaret Thatcher is not refereed to PM Thatcher, she was made a life peer, the correct title is Lady Thatcher. The peerage takes precedence over the job title. Heraldry nerdism comes in handy.
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 20:16:33
Quote by TriSec:
Reading some of the "other news" of the day.
Mr. Gorbachev did not attend PM Thatcher's funeral "due to age". Methinks this doesn't bode well.
Dude's 82. Margaret Thatcher is not refereed to PM Thatcher, she was made a life peer, the correct title is Lady Thatcher. The peerage takes precedence over the job title. Heraldry nerdism comes in handy.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 20:17:31
Mondobubba on 04/17/2013 20:17:31
I just call her "Thatcher the Milk Snatcher"
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 20:37:40
Raine on 04/17/2013 20:37:40
The FBI has cancelled its 5 pm presser, I heard this on Randi...
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 20:40:41
Obama didn't attend either...
I don't think it was his age that prevented him from attending. Actually, I think it was intentional.
Raine on 04/17/2013 20:40:41
Quote by TriSec:
Reading some of the "other news" of the day.
Mr. Gorbachev did not attend PM Thatcher's funeral "due to age". Methinks this doesn't bode well.
I don't think it was his age that prevented him from attending. Actually, I think it was intentional.
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2013 20:45:49
wickedpam on 04/17/2013 20:45:49
oh lord the crazies are calling into Randi today
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 20:47:17
I think Shawn just lost a job.
Raine on 04/17/2013 20:47:17
Quote by wickedpam:
oh lord the crazies are calling into Randi today
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 20:49:21
Raine on 04/17/2013 20:49:21
Oh, she is losing patience.
49 after.
49 after.
Comment by wickedpam on 04/17/2013 21:02:38
sounds like it
wickedpam on 04/17/2013 21:02:38
Quote by Raine:I think Shawn just lost a job.Quote by wickedpam:
oh lord the crazies are calling into Randi today
sounds like it
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2013 21:10:19
Raine on 04/17/2013 21:10:19