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Scorpions among us
Author: Raine
Date: 04/24/2008 12:35:53
I was reminded of this story last night, perusing the internets.
This is a story about trust and judgement. Last week, Senator Hillary Clinton said the following and laughed at a reporter for questions regarding Richard Mellon Scaife:
I wonder, is it her nature? We know all the things that this man has done, so is he the frog or is she?
From the Pittsburg Tribune, March 25:
I post this, becuase also in March, Slate Magazine reminded us of something Scaife once said: Will Hillary 'Renounce and Denounce' a man who uses hate speech?... or is she a scorpion whose nature it is to do what she does?
Time will tell, but I can assure you, the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy™ will have no problem using this against her in the general election. And - if both the Scorpion and the Frog die in the river, I can assure you, the Fox will be sitting at the bank (literally and figuratively) watching and laughing at his friends. THAT would be the real tragedy of this tale.
:peace: and
Raine
The Scorpion and the Frog
A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the
scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back. The
frog asks, "How do I know you won't sting me?" The scorpion
says, "Because if I do, I will die too."
The frog is satisfied, and they set out, but in midstream,
the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of
paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown,
but has just enough time to gasp "Why?"
Replies the scorpion: "Its my nature..."
This is a story about trust and judgement. Last week, Senator Hillary Clinton said the following and laughed at a reporter for questions regarding Richard Mellon Scaife:
I wonder, is it her nature? We know all the things that this man has done, so is he the frog or is she?
From the Pittsburg Tribune, March 25:
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, in a wide-ranging interview today with Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reporters and editors, said she would have left her church if her pastor made the sort of inflammatory remarks Sen. Barack Obama's former pastor made.
"He would not have been my pastor," Clinton said. "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."
[...]
The Clinton campaign had refrained from getting involved in the Wright controversy, but Clinton herself, responding to a question this morning, denounced what she said was "hate speech."
I post this, becuase also in March, Slate Magazine reminded us of something Scaife once said:
We turn now to this excerpt from a 1981 Columbia Journalism Review profile of Scaife by Karen Rothmyer, in which the reporter describes a conversation with the distinguished publisher and philanthropist:
"Mr. Scaife, could you explain why you give so much money to the New Right?"
"You fucking Communist c*nt, get out of here."
Time will tell, but I can assure you, the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy™ will have no problem using this against her in the general election. And - if both the Scorpion and the Frog die in the river, I can assure you, the Fox will be sitting at the bank (literally and figuratively) watching and laughing at his friends. THAT would be the real tragedy of this tale.
:peace: and
Raine
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Comment by 
Raine on 04/24/2008 13:08:25
Raine on 04/24/2008 13:08:25
Shane-o With the Jam first thing in the morning! 
Comment by 
livingonli on 04/24/2008 13:08:56
livingonli on 04/24/2008 13:08:56
Fristy pants again today. :banana:
For those who stopped crossing over to the other place, apparently there will be some restructuring of AAP and today is the last daily blog from that end.
For those who stopped crossing over to the other place, apparently there will be some restructuring of AAP and today is the last daily blog from that end.
Comment by livingonli on 04/24/2008 13:09:29
livingonli on 04/24/2008 13:09:29
Oh, Raine beat me. Missed it by that much.
Comment by 
m-hadley on 04/24/2008 13:13:14
m-hadley on 04/24/2008 13:13:14
Mornin' Everybody,
I was busy last night - my blog has launched its very own campaign against John McCain (Dem nominee be damned). We gotta beat that sucka :D
Cheers,
mfaye
I was busy last night - my blog has launched its very own campaign against John McCain (Dem nominee be damned). We gotta beat that sucka :D
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by right wing hater on 04/24/2008 13:13:37
Good morning all!
Daily Reading is posted to forum - Lots of good stuff today
http://fourfreedoms.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=2840
Hey Raine, hey Bob!
Daily Reading is posted to forum - Lots of good stuff today
http://fourfreedoms.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=2840
Hey Raine, hey Bob!
Comment by Raine on 04/24/2008 13:17:52
Raine on 04/24/2008 13:17:52
Quote by livingonli:
Oh, Raine beat me. Missed it by that much.
Comment by Raine on 04/24/2008 13:19:58
FAYE! 
Excellent! I think after this weekend, I am going to creat a small banner ad for THAT blog, and call it top ten reasons ... Etc.!
Raine on 04/24/2008 13:19:58
Quote by m-hadley:
Mornin' Everybody,
I was busy last night - my blog has launched its very own campaign against John McCain (Dem nominee be damned). We gotta beat that sucka :D
Cheers,
mfaye
Excellent! I think after this weekend, I am going to creat a small banner ad for THAT blog, and call it top ten reasons ... Etc.!
Comment by livingonli on 04/24/2008 13:22:13
livingonli on 04/24/2008 13:22:13
After Steph today, I will be a busy beaver since I have a number of things to do to get ready for the DC trip today.
Comment by 
starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:26:19
starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:26:19
Um...working in the financial industry DONNIE, 9.228% rounds to 9.2. NOT 10!!!!
:deadhorse:
:deadhorse:
Comment by starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:28:58
starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:28:58
Chris "the spiddle" Matthews 
Fair Enough!
Fair Enough!
Comment by livingonli on 04/24/2008 13:32:48
livingonli on 04/24/2008 13:32:48
Bob, loved your post at AAP. Actually, it would be nice if everyone who was active at AAP even if you stopped posting there give the daily blog at AAP a fond farewell.
Comment by m-hadley on 04/24/2008 13:33:09
Me too, I'm leaving work early to take my doggie into the vet where he'll stay while I am in DC - leaving early tomorrow morning. If anybody wants my cell phone number, feel free to contact me at mfh913@gmail.com. Looking forward to meeting everybody :hug:
Cheers,
mfaye :D
m-hadley on 04/24/2008 13:33:09
Quote by livingonli:
After Steph today, I will be a busy beaver since I have a number of things to do to get ready for the DC trip today.
Me too, I'm leaving work early to take my doggie into the vet where he'll stay while I am in DC - leaving early tomorrow morning. If anybody wants my cell phone number, feel free to contact me at mfh913@gmail.com. Looking forward to meeting everybody :hug:
Cheers,
mfaye :D
Comment by livingonli on 04/24/2008 13:34:38
livingonli on 04/24/2008 13:34:38
mfaye, do you have Wicked Pam's contact info since you will be in DC early enough? I hope to get there by mid-afternoon.
Comment by 
Shane-O on 04/24/2008 13:38:43
Crap. I slept through it... :sleeping:
Got the idea at 3 a.m. - sent it at 5:30. Oof.
Shane-O on 04/24/2008 13:38:43
Quote by Raine:
Shane-o With the Jam first thing in the morning!
Crap. I slept through it... :sleeping:
Got the idea at 3 a.m. - sent it at 5:30. Oof.
Comment by m-hadley on 04/24/2008 13:39:22
No, I don't believe I know how to reach any of y'alls once we get to DC. Please just let me know. Thanks mucho. :D
Cheers,
mfaye
m-hadley on 04/24/2008 13:39:22
Quote by livingonli:
mfaye, do you have Wicked Pam's contact info since you will be in DC early enough? I hope to get there by mid-afternoon.
No, I don't believe I know how to reach any of y'alls once we get to DC. Please just let me know. Thanks mucho. :D
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:39:55
starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:39:55
Oh, that's just pandering by offering to start wars. 
Silly Stephanie.
Silly Stephanie.
Comment by starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:40:55
Da.
starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:40:55
Quote by Shane-O:
Oof.
Da.
Comment by 
BobR on 04/24/2008 13:41:22
Wow - that's a little sad... I posted there and on the board (also going down for a little while) - I hope they're okay with it...
BobR on 04/24/2008 13:41:22
Quote by livingonli:
Fristy pants again today. :banana:
For those who stopped crossing over to the other place, apparently there will be some restructuring of AAP and today is the last daily blog from that end.
Wow - that's a little sad... I posted there and on the board (also going down for a little while) - I hope they're okay with it...
Comment by starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:42:33
starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:42:33
She made good points, but calling "aggressive retaliation" pandering????
Bad Adella.
Bad Adella.
Comment by livingonli on 04/24/2008 13:42:43
livingonli on 04/24/2008 13:42:43
Shane-O, you need to get some sleep.
:star:, Do you plan to say a fond farewell to the AAP daily blog for old time's sake? I still think it would be nice if everyone who posted there bid it a fond farewell.
:star:, Do you plan to say a fond farewell to the AAP daily blog for old time's sake? I still think it would be nice if everyone who posted there bid it a fond farewell.
Comment by livingonli on 04/24/2008 13:43:32
crt had a nice response to your comment on the blog.
livingonli on 04/24/2008 13:43:32
Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli:
Fristy pants again today. :banana:
For those who stopped crossing over to the other place, apparently there will be some restructuring of AAP and today is the last daily blog from that end.
Wow - that's a little sad... I posted there and on the board (also going down for a little while) - I hope they're okay with it...
crt had a nice response to your comment on the blog.
Comment by Raine on 04/24/2008 13:44:59
Wow... Shane-O you have a bigger problem than I do with insomnia! 
Raine on 04/24/2008 13:44:59
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
Shane-o With the Jam first thing in the morning!
Crap. I slept through it... :sleeping:
Got the idea at 3 a.m. - sent it at 5:30. Oof.
Comment by starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:45:12
starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:45:12
Obama doesn't wear enough Patriotic Bling. He cannot be Commander in Chief!
Comment by starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:45:55
Where is it going?
starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:45:55
Quote by livingonli:
Shane-O, you need to get some sleep.
:star:, Do you plan to say a fond farewell to the AAP daily blog for old time's sake? I still think it would be nice if everyone who posted there bid it a fond farewell.
Where is it going?
Comment by starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:46:38
starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:46:38
Never mind Liv. . . I just saw your post!
Comment by Raine on 04/24/2008 13:46:40
Send us you number via the Contact staff link! we will respond in kind! 
Raine on 04/24/2008 13:46:40
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by livingonli:
mfaye, do you have Wicked Pam's contact info since you will be in DC early enough? I hope to get there by mid-afternoon.
No, I don't believe I know how to reach any of y'alls once we get to DC. Please just let me know. Thanks mucho. :D
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by Raine on 04/24/2008 13:48:42
You ought to register on the Message board and pm Mala, or vice versa.
Or when she gets on the blog, you guys can work that out. Since Mala seems to be the first one there, she is prolly gonna be the go to woman. We will be there late in the afternoon, early evening on Friday.
Raine on 04/24/2008 13:48:42
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by livingonli:
mfaye, do you have Wicked Pam's contact info since you will be in DC early enough? I hope to get there by mid-afternoon.
No, I don't believe I know how to reach any of y'alls once we get to DC. Please just let me know. Thanks mucho. :D
Cheers,
mfaye
Or when she gets on the blog, you guys can work that out. Since Mala seems to be the first one there, she is prolly gonna be the go to woman. We will be there late in the afternoon, early evening on Friday.
Comment by livingonli on 04/24/2008 13:48:53
There putting some new software on the message board and they have decided to discontinue the Daily Blog although there will be some new options to allow people to blog.
livingonli on 04/24/2008 13:48:53
Quote by starling310:Quote by livingonli:
Shane-O, you need to get some sleep.
:star:, Do you plan to say a fond farewell to the AAP daily blog for old time's sake? I still think it would be nice if everyone who posted there bid it a fond farewell.
Where is it going?
There putting some new software on the message board and they have decided to discontinue the Daily Blog although there will be some new options to allow people to blog.
Comment by starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:52:50
starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:52:50
Dag! I haven't been to AAP in forevah!
I just simply can't blog in 2 places at once and expect to get ANY work done.
I just simply can't blog in 2 places at once and expect to get ANY work done.
Comment by livingonli on 04/24/2008 13:54:41
I guess that makes it a good thing I work in the evening since that's probably the only way I can get away with blogging in two places at once.
livingonli on 04/24/2008 13:54:41
Quote by starling310:
Dag! I haven't been to AAP in forevah!
I just simply can't blog in 2 places at once and expect to get ANY work done.
I guess that makes it a good thing I work in the evening since that's probably the only way I can get away with blogging in two places at once.
Comment by Raine on 04/24/2008 13:55:41
Raine on 04/24/2008 13:55:41
I would rather listen to Chachi Miller than Billorally.
Comment by starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:58:10
starling310 on 04/24/2008 13:58:10
:: hannity :: but, I would shake George Bush's hand and he authorized ( and ORDERED ) shock and awe, which killed thousands. . . of innocent Iraqis.
Comment by livingonli on 04/24/2008 14:00:30
At least he had a time when he was sane before he started cowering in terror after 9-11 and felt he needed daddy to protect him from the big, bad islamo-fascists.
livingonli on 04/24/2008 14:00:30
Quote by Raine:
I would rather listen to Chachi Miller than Billorally.
At least he had a time when he was sane before he started cowering in terror after 9-11 and felt he needed daddy to protect him from the big, bad islamo-fascists.
Comment by Raine on 04/24/2008 14:04:27
Raine on 04/24/2008 14:04:27
People who need to be thinned from the herd. 
What the F is wrong with these people!?!?!
What the F is wrong with these people!?!?!The Mount Vernon public-school science teacher who won't remove his personal Bible from the top of his desk also is accused of conducting a religious “healing session” during school and burning crosses onto students' arms.
Administrators say John Freshwater taught his own religious beliefs in his classes, including describing the meaning of Good Friday and Easter.
[...]
The “healing” allegedly occurred when Freshwater was a chaperone for a Christian student-athlete group that met during school hours. A guest speaker visiting the group in January had an illness, and Freshwater called for his healing.
“He said out loud, ‘Satan be removed from this man,'” said Jessica Philemond, an attorney representing a Mount Vernon Middle School student who witnessed the event.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 04/24/2008 14:05:42
Faye - sent you an email with my celly#
Morning all! :hug:
wickedpam on 04/24/2008 14:05:42
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by livingonli:
After Steph today, I will be a busy beaver since I have a number of things to do to get ready for the DC trip today.
Me too, I'm leaving work early to take my doggie into the vet where he'll stay while I am in DC - leaving early tomorrow morning. If anybody wants my cell phone number, feel free to contact me at mfh913@gmail.com. Looking forward to meeting everybody :hug:
Cheers,
mfaye :D
Faye - sent you an email with my celly#
Morning all! :hug:
Comment by livingonli on 04/24/2008 14:08:51
livingonli on 04/24/2008 14:08:51
Good morning Mala. Just one more day and we will see each other again.
Comment by 
TriSec on 04/24/2008 14:10:30
TriSec on 04/24/2008 14:10:30
TriSec chiming in...I too have posted over at AAP.
Wow.
I hope we can 'bury the hatchet' so to speak, and perhaps welcome some old friends to join us here...
Wow.
I hope we can 'bury the hatchet' so to speak, and perhaps welcome some old friends to join us here...
Comment by livingonli on 04/24/2008 14:11:11
livingonli on 04/24/2008 14:11:11
I am going to pack my bathing suit. I hope we will get a chance to use the pool.
Comment by Raine on 04/24/2008 14:12:34
Raine on 04/24/2008 14:12:34
:drool: IRish Car bombs are DELISH!
Comment by wickedpam on 04/24/2008 14:13:14
wickedpam on 04/24/2008 14:13:14
Hey the Nuclear Waste sounded good. Orange soda and vodka.
Comment by starling310 on 04/24/2008 14:14:05
Bathing Suit! Eesh...I didn't even think of that.
starling310 on 04/24/2008 14:14:05
Quote by livingonli:
I am going to pack my bathing suit. I hope we will get a chance to use the pool.
Bathing Suit! Eesh...I didn't even think of that.
Comment by wickedpam on 04/24/2008 14:14:21
I know I can't wait!
Bringing my suit too - I don't get to swim that often and this pool doesn't look like it's going to be freezing.
wickedpam on 04/24/2008 14:14:21
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning Mala. Just one more day and we will see each other again.
I know I can't wait!
Bringing my suit too - I don't get to swim that often and this pool doesn't look like it's going to be freezing.
Comment by livingonli on 04/24/2008 14:16:39
livingonli on 04/24/2008 14:16:39
But can you drink box beer with a straw?
Comment by starling310 on 04/24/2008 14:17:15
starling310 on 04/24/2008 14:17:15
But, I thought Marriage was for procreation??? I mean, that's one of the arguments against Same Sex Marriages, anyway.
Hmm...so, the Catholic Church is allowing 2nd Marriages ( for procreation ) on the condition that they abstain from Sex....
So....
.......
........the procreation would happen......how?
Hmm...so, the Catholic Church is allowing 2nd Marriages ( for procreation ) on the condition that they abstain from Sex....
So....
.......
........the procreation would happen......how?
Comment by livingonli on 04/24/2008 14:18:50
Good thing it's an indoor pool. If it was an outdoor pool like the other hotel I wouldn't have bothered. Although I might have still gone up to see if the bunnies were still there.
livingonli on 04/24/2008 14:18:50
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Good morning Mala. Just one more day and we will see each other again.
I know I can't wait!
Bringing my suit too - I don't get to swim that often and this pool doesn't look like it's going to be freezing.
Good thing it's an indoor pool. If it was an outdoor pool like the other hotel I wouldn't have bothered. Although I might have still gone up to see if the bunnies were still there.
Comment by 
jd_in_ny on 04/24/2008 14:25:21
jd_in_ny on 04/24/2008 14:25:21
NY isn't an open primary.
Comment by Raine on 04/24/2008 14:25:21
I plan on making a pitcher of raintini's for a pool party in the early evening... :D
Raine on 04/24/2008 14:25:21
Quote by starling310:Quote by livingonli:
I am going to pack my bathing suit. I hope we will get a chance to use the pool.
Bathing Suit! Eesh...I didn't even think of that.
Comment by Raine on 04/24/2008 14:26:18
and it is REALLY har dto change parties.
Raine on 04/24/2008 14:26:18
Quote by jd_in_ny:
NY isn't an open primary.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 04/24/2008 14:28:29
jd_in_ny on 04/24/2008 14:28:29
You know, if Hills was the one winning the caucuses, she'd be talking about how THAT's true democracy because you have to stand up and argue your position rather than just pulling a lever (so to speak). It's all perspective.
Comment by Raine on 04/24/2008 14:28:37
YOu are so cute with logic and the flaven... 
Raine on 04/24/2008 14:28:37
Quote by starling310:
But, I thought Marriage was for procreation??? I mean, that's one of the arguments against Same Sex Marriages, anyway.
Hmm...so, the Catholic Church is allowing 2nd Marriages ( for procreation ) on the condition that they abstain from Sex....
So....
.......
........the procreation would happen......how?