About Us
Mission Statement
Rules of Conduct
 
Name:
Pswd:
Remember Me
Register
 

Miranda and Court Statements
Author: Raine    Date: 08/30/2013 13:06:22

I think Glenn Greenwald might find himself in a lot of trouble this morning. David Barrett - correspondent with The Daily Telegraph - was at London's High Court this morning (EST) to witness the hearing for David Miranda, Glenn Greenwald’s partner who was detained two weeks ago in Heathrow Airport. Freelance Journalist Joshua Foust complied the tweets from reporter Barret. All of it is interesting, but this portion is key:

    • Police who seized documents from #miranda found among them a piece of paper with the decryption password, the statement says
    • The material contains personal information that would allow British intelligence staff to be identified, inc some overseas, it adds
    • The Govt has had to assume Snowden data is now in the hands of foreign governments, since his travel abroad (to HK and Russia)
    • Statement specifically says UK but they haven’t finish decrypting yet
    • It is “impossible” for Glenn Greenwald or any other journalist to determine which info could damage UK national security: Robbins statement
    • The "claimant & his associates have demonstrated very poor judgment in their security arrangements with respect to the material rendering the appropriation of the material, or at least access to it by other, non-State actors, a real possibility”
It "would allow British intelligence staff to be identified, inc some overseas" Does the CIA outing of Valerie Plame come to mind at this point? How about the document grab that Bradley/Chelsea Manning is going to jail for? These are very real comparisons.

All of this comes on the heels of Mr. Greenwald stating to various outlets, that he wasn't concerned about Britain getting info from the devices taken at the airport:
“We both now typically and automatically encrypt all documents and work we carry – not just for the NSA stories,” says Greenwald via email. “So everything he had – for his personal use and everything else – was heavily encrypted, and I’m not worried at all that they can break that.”
back in June, Mr. Greenwald said:
Greenwald added that the people in possession of these files “cannot access them yet because they are highly encrypted and they do not have the passwords.” But, Greenwald said, “if anything happens at all to Edward Snowden, he told me he has arranged for them to get access to the full archives.”
The bigger story here is that a Government now appears to have a chunk of what Edward Snowden stole while working as an NSA contractor at BAH. Britain is going to share the information with “foreign third parties” . They are not saying what foreign parties will be privy to the data but I believe it is safe to assume that the USA is one party.

In the past few days, we've learned a lot more about Mr. Snowden . Snowden stayed at the Russian consulate while in China. In 2011, he made a trip to india that he didn't report on his Sec Clearance update review.
CIA contractor Edward Snowden, who leaked some of America's most closely guarded secrets, had travelled to India before 2011 but did not report the trip during his background-check process.

"The background checkers failed to verify Snowden's account of a past security violation and his work for the CIA, they didn't thoroughly probe an apparent trip to India that he had failed to report," the Wall Street Journal reported, quoting a review after leaks of classified documents by him.
This explains it a little more:
Snowden started out in the US army, leaving in 2004, to work as a security guard at one of NSA's facilities. He joined the CIA in 2007, working on IT security.

After leaving the CIA in 2009, Snowden worked for several of NSA's private contractors. His last stint was with Booz Allen, which, he has said he joined to access the programmes he leaked. It's not clear if he went to India while working for the CIA or one of the NSA's private contractors he worked with or as a tourist.


Yesterday, this was revealed.
Snowden impersonated NSA officials, sources say

Edward Snowden accessed some secret national security documents by assuming the electronic identities of top NSA officials, said intelligence sources.
(snip)
The NSA has already identified several instances where Snowden borrowed someone else's user profile to access documents, said the official.

Each user profile on NSAnet includes a level of security clearance that determines what files the user can access. Like most NSA employees and contractors, Snowden had a "top secret" security clearance, meaning that under his own user profile he could access many classified documents. But some higher level NSA officials have higher levels of clearance that give them access to the most sensitive documents.

As a system administrator, according to intelligence officials, Snowden had the ability to create and modify user profiles for employees and contractors. He also had the ability to access NSAnet using those user profiles, meaning he could impersonate other users in order to access files. He borrowed the identities of users with higher level security clearances to grab sensitive documents.

Once Snowden had collected documents, his job description also gave him a right forbidden to other NSA employees the right to download files from his computer to an external storage device. Snowden downloaded a reported 20,000 documents onto thumb drives before leaving Hawaii for Hong Kong on May 20.


Snowden has been indicted for Espionage.
  • The first charge is an embezzlement charge: theft of government property under section 641 of the United State Code. Snowden faces a maximum of 10 years in jail and a fine.

  • The other charges fall under sections 793 and 798 under the United State Code as part of laws commonly called the Espionage Act.

  • The charge under section 793(d) is unauthorized communication of national defense information. It also carries of maximum of 10 years in jail and a fine.

  • The charge under section 798(a)(3) is willful communication of classified communications intelligence information to an unauthorized person.

When these charges were brought by the United States, many were outraged at the severity of such charges. Greenwald was one of the most vociferous of them. Today we learned that British Law enforcement are looking at the documents seized to see if David Miranda broke Official Secrets Acts.

Greenwald is denying that the British government got any information, as of approximately 8 am this morning:
@ggreenwald 8m
Yes: "incredible details" as claimed by the UK government, as filtered by a virulent NSA defender/govt contractor

@ggreenwald 44m
UK Govt: their op-sec was sloppy, but we can't get access to their docs because they're all "heavy encrypted" #GlaringContradictions


One of the biggest problems with this entire saga is that the Greenwald Camp -- as I'll broadly call the characters involved -- has decided to make sure that no government should be trusted, especially when a spy agency is, well, spying. The documents the Court is talking about aren't about the NSA spying on its own citizens, they are talking about wholesale document grab, not unlike what Bradley/Chelsea Manning did. British Law enforcement was able to decrypt a small portion the information and this is what they found. Snowden appears to have given them to not just the reporters involved, but to Russia and possibly China. We are told time and time again that "government is lying to us, don't trust them" and yet were are to trust a man that impersonated Top NSA officials, and his surrogate who continues to lie about his involvement.

Are we supposed to keep celebrating this as shining a light on the "lack of Government transparency" when we it appears that Snowden also stole personal information?... information allowing British intelligence staff to be identified, including people overseas? Would it be safe to assume that personal information of American intelligence officers were stolen as well? You'll recall this article (bylined by Laura Poitras, btw) in Der Spiegel:
SPIEGEL has decided not to publish details it has seen about secret operations that could endanger the lives of NSA workers. Nor is it publishing the related internal code words. However, this does not apply to information about the general surveillance of communications.
I don't think its unrealistic to say that lives could very well be put in danger. You see that is what is real here. It was real when Valerie Plame was outed as a CIA operative and it is real now.

It's amazing to me that Snowden did this for all the world to see. I actually hope that some players in this game prove to be useful idiots in over their heads as opposed to being active accomplices. It's indeed a very fine line and as of this morning we are seeing the tip of a very ugly iceberg.

and
Raine
 

35 comments (Latest Comment: 08/30/2013 22:59:41 by Will in Chicago)
   Perma Link

Share This!

Furl it!
Spurl
NewsVine
Reddit
Technorati

Add a Comment

Please login to add a comment...


Comments:

Order comments Newest to Oldest  Refresh Comments

Comment by wickedpam on 08/30/2013 13:12:55
Morning

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/30/2013 13:21:23
Doing a virus scan.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/30/2013 13:26:12
morning.

Mrs. Rabbit just left to take her friend to NY State for the weekend. She was given $60 for gas, I laughed and said you need at least double that.

Comment by Raine on 08/30/2013 13:28:15
Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald 1h
UK Govt: their op-sec was sloppy, but we can't get access to their docs because they're all "heavy encrypted" #GlaringContradictions


Sling Trebuchet ‏@SlingTrebuchet 1h
@ggreenwald What of the report that David was carrying a hand-written password for one file?
Expand

Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald 1h
@SlingTrebuchet If that were true, then they would be able to access the documents - they say they cannot




Miranda's Lawyer's statement.

Comment by Scoopster on 08/30/2013 13:34:05
Mornin' all & Happy Labor Day Weekend!
Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald 1h
@SlingTrebuchet If that were true, then they would be able to access the documents - they say they cannot

That's an absolute lie. They said they were able to crack one document SO FAR.. out of 88000.

Comment by Raine on 08/30/2013 13:42:30
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all & Happy Labor Day Weekend!
Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald 1h
@SlingTrebuchet If that were true, then they would be able to access the documents - they say they cannot

That's an absolute lie. They said they were able to crack one document SO FAR.. out of 88000.
Yup.

We've left the fourth Amendment argument at this point. Intel officials are NOT 4th amendment stuff.

Comment by TriSec on 08/30/2013 13:42:38
Morning comrades.

Interesting debate from across the pond.

Nutshell: Cameron = Chamberlain.

I don't see it that way.

I would like to offer a brief thank you to the Bush administration and the Neocons...you've so polluted the process of going to war that nobody wants to do it now because "We don't want another Iraq."

I bet they weren't counting on that legacy.



Comment by Mondobubba on 08/30/2013 13:45:09
Still doing a virus scan.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/30/2013 13:48:17
Seamus Heany has died.
His Beowulf was a fun read
Sad news yes indeed




Comment by Raine on 08/30/2013 13:50:03
I was just about to ask if Barton Gellmen had ALL the docs from Snowden and if they were encrypted, and then I saw that Cesca wants to know as well:
Furthermore, this story serves as confirmation that Snowden handed over everything regardless of whether the information was potentially damaging. Who else has the encryption keys for the full, unedited documents? And let’s hope The Washington Post‘s copies are heavily encrypted, especially given how The New York Times was hacked by the Syrian Electronic Army this week.

The very fact that Snowden stole NSA files that could do serious harm to the United States spikes the odds of those files being disclosed beyond Snowden’s control, including the materials that Gellman rightfully excluded. Yes, much of what’s been reported was already out there in one form or another. But if Gellman is right, we should be gravely concerned about the stuff that deliberately hasn’t been published, but which Snowden was foolish enough to hack, steal and distribute before absconding to Russia.



Comment by Mondobubba on 08/30/2013 13:51:38
Yay! No virus.

Comment by TriSec on 08/30/2013 14:21:41
Did you all know that in ICD-10, there is an actual diagnosis code for Republicanism?

R06.5 -> Mouth Breathing



Comment by Raine on 08/30/2013 14:33:29
Just an hour and a half and we are beachbound! I SO need to be away for a few days.

Comment by BobR on 08/30/2013 14:34:02
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all & Happy Labor Day Weekend!
Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald 1h
@SlingTrebuchet If that were true, then they would be able to access the documents - they say they cannot

That's an absolute lie. They said they were able to crack one document SO FAR.. out of 88000.
Yup.

We've left the fourth Amendment argument at this point. Intel officials are NOT 4th amendment stuff.

Considering this is a Brazilian citizen and the UK authorities, it was never about 4th Amendment stuff.

Comment by wickedpam on 08/30/2013 14:38:21
Quote by Raine:
Just an hour and a half and we are beachbound! I SO need to be away for a few days.



yay! :hugs:

you guys have fun

Comment by Raine on 08/30/2013 14:39:05
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all & Happy Labor Day Weekend!
Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald 1h
@SlingTrebuchet If that were true, then they would be able to access the documents - they say they cannot

That's an absolute lie. They said they were able to crack one document SO FAR.. out of 88000.
Yup.

We've left the fourth Amendment argument at this point. Intel officials are NOT 4th amendment stuff.

Considering this is a Brazilian citizen and the UK authorities, it was never about 4th Amendment stuff.
You shush with all that logical obvious stuff...


Comment by TriSec on 08/30/2013 14:42:00
Ah, the beach!

We're going to try to get here Sunday.

Haven't been to the ocean all summer - this is "last hurrah" weekend around these parts.



Comment by Raine on 08/30/2013 14:49:10
Quote by TriSec:
Ah, the beach!

We're going to try to get here Sunday.

Haven't been to the ocean all summer - this is "last hurrah" weekend around these parts.

That looks lovely!

WE are headed out to Ocean City. Staying off the boardwalk area -- ocean view Room. Gonna do a little fishing on a walk on Charter boat, Swim in the pool, dip our feet in the ocean and see Assateague Island.


Comment by Scoopster on 08/30/2013 15:10:15
Quote by Raine:
Quote by TriSec:
Ah, the beach!

We're going to try to get here Sunday.

Haven't been to the ocean all summer - this is "last hurrah" weekend around these parts.

That looks lovely!

WE are headed out to Ocean City. Staying off the boardwalk area -- ocean view Room. Gonna do a little fishing on a walk on Charter boat, Swim in the pool, dip our feet in the ocean and see Assateague Island.

My friend (the one from Cobleskill I told you about) goes down to OC all the time for her daughter's cheer competitions.

Comment by Raine on 08/30/2013 15:15:18
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by TriSec:
Ah, the beach!

We're going to try to get here Sunday.

Haven't been to the ocean all summer - this is "last hurrah" weekend around these parts.

That looks lovely!

WE are headed out to Ocean City. Staying off the boardwalk area -- ocean view Room. Gonna do a little fishing on a walk on Charter boat, Swim in the pool, dip our feet in the ocean and see Assateague Island.

My friend (the one from Cobleskill I told you about) goes down to OC all the time for her daughter's cheer competitions.
I've never been there, I suspect it's a bigger version of Rehobeth beach.

Since we are staying away from the Boardwalk it should be a little less crazy unless we choose the crazy.


Comment by Mondobubba on 08/30/2013 15:17:37
Quote by TriSec:
Did you all know that in ICD-10, there is an actual diagnosis code for Republicanism?

R06.5 -> Mouth Breathing




(not drink but raspberries)

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/30/2013 15:28:10
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by TriSec:
Ah, the beach!

We're going to try to get here Sunday.

Haven't been to the ocean all summer - this is "last hurrah" weekend around these parts.

That looks lovely!

WE are headed out to Ocean City. Staying off the boardwalk area -- ocean view Room. Gonna do a little fishing on a walk on Charter boat, Swim in the pool, dip our feet in the ocean and see Assateague Island.

My friend (the one from Cobleskill I told you about) goes down to OC all the time for her daughter's cheer competitions.
I've never been there, I suspect it's a bigger version of Rehobeth beach.

Since we are staying away from the Boardwalk it should be a little less crazy unless we choose the crazy.


Have fun sitting in the miles long traffic waiting to go over the Bay Bridge!

http://images.wjla.com//communities/bay_bridge_traffic_-_brad_bell_296.jpg


Comment by Will in Chicago on 08/30/2013 15:29:43
Quote by Mondobubba:
Seamus Heany has died.
His Beowulf was a fun read
Sad news yes indeed





I am so sad to her this, as I have read some of his poems. I should try to pick up his translation of Beowulf.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/30/2013 15:32:59
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Seamus Heany has died.
His Beowulf was a fun read
Sad news yes indeed





I am so sad to her this, as I have read some of his poems. I should try to pick up his translation of Beowulf.



The Beowulf translation is amazing!

Comment by Will in Chicago on 08/30/2013 15:42:47
I am finding what is coming out about Snowden more and more disturbing. I do not believe in revealing information that can endanger the lives or safety of others. While Snowden has helped spark a debate on surveillance, I have to wonder who has seen these files.

I have a half day of subbing today -- just got the call. While I am not really going anywhere this weekend, I do have the Selichot service at Temple as Rosh Hashanah is next week.

Comment by Raine on 08/30/2013 15:56:50
OK, Shutting down! see you on the flip side!

Comment by TriSec on 08/30/2013 15:57:15
Ah, hi Will!

A question for you....as it turns out, my new Pack has many Jewish families, so I've added the holiday list to one of my online calendars.

There are many things listed prominently for September that I am unfamiliar with.

Fast of Gedalia?
Sukkot (for a week)
followed by Semeni Atzerat

All very interesting. I have also proposed, and we may actually try to make happen a "Scout Sabbath" on the Saturday of anniversary week...we always do Scout Sunday for the Christians.



Comment by wickedpam on 08/30/2013 15:59:34
back to mode - I'm determined to get the doors painted finally

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/30/2013 16:15:02
Quote by TriSec:
Ah, hi Will!

A question for you....as it turns out, my new Pack has many Jewish families, so I've added the holiday list to one of my online calendars.

There are many things listed prominently for September that I am unfamiliar with.

Fast of Gedalia?
Sukkot (for a week)
followed by Semeni Atzerat

All very interesting. I have also proposed, and we may actually try to make happen a "Scout Sabbath" on the Saturday of anniversary week...we always do Scout Sunday for the Christians.




Gym isn't closed for Fast of Gedaliah.
It is closed for Sukkot and for Simchat Torah (Same one you mentioned, different name)

Here is my yardstick for Jewish holidays, if the gym is closed, it's a big one, said the atheist goy.

Comment by livingonli on 08/30/2013 16:21:00
Good day, folks. I actually got up early even though it took some effort to go to bed. All I know about Ocean City is what I see in the commercials we run on MASN. And they now compete with all the "visit New York" tourism ads that run on MASN as well.

Tonight for a change I am doing the O's telecast in Orioles-Yankees and now I just have to see how long it runs.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/30/2013 17:36:00
I'm going through an archive of TiVoCommunity forum posts, back around the time of Janet Jackson's "exposure", and many (but not me because I KNEW not to watch MTV trash, even then) played it over and over trying to figure out what was going on.

Hmmm......an MTV presentation. How about that.

2/2/2004 Thankfully I have TiVo so I don't have to subject myself to MTV produced trash. And I doubt I'll rewind to find out what the fuss is about.


Comment by TriSec on 08/30/2013 19:25:17
So, I know nobody here understands Tebeaken humour.

Nevertheless, I'm wondering if one of you would be kind enough to execute me gangland-style, and bury me in a deep and bitter grave?



Comment by Mondobubba on 08/30/2013 19:32:41
Quote by TriSec:
So, I know nobody here understands Tebeaken humour.

Nevertheless, I'm wondering if one of you would be kind enough to execute me gangland-style, and bury me in a deep and bitter grave?




Since here in America that word is spell h-u-m-o-r I will kill you gangland style and dump you on a mud flat by the Mystic River. That is Mondoian humor.

Yes, I am being needlessly testy it is my birthright as an Murrican to be that way.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 08/30/2013 22:59:41
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Ah, hi Will!

A question for you....as it turns out, my new Pack has many Jewish families, so I've added the holiday list to one of my online calendars.

There are many things listed prominently for September that I am unfamiliar with.

Fast of Gedalia?
Sukkot (for a week)
followed by Semeni Atzerat

All very interesting. I have also proposed, and we may actually try to make happen a "Scout Sabbath" on the Saturday of anniversary week...we always do Scout Sunday for the Christians.




Gym isn't closed for Fast of Gedaliah.
It is closed for Sukkot and for Simchat Torah (Same one you mentioned, different name)

Here is my yardstick for Jewish holidays, if the gym is closed, it's a big one, said the atheist goy.


Fast pf Gedaliah is something most celebrated by the Orthodox, Sukkot and Simchah Torah are important holidays celebrated among the different Jewish denominations.