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I Don't Want This
Author: Raine    Date: 09/06/2013 14:26:02

I am genuinely trying to figure out where I stand on the issue of Syria. I am weighing all of the stories I read, coupling them with the opinions of people I generally trust.

All I can come up with is that this is a total mess. I don't want our country - the United States - to make things worse. I don't want to know that upwards of 700 people a day are being killed in Syria. I don't want to see more people being forced to leave their homes, their country. I don't want to see the use of chemical weapons and I don't want rape being used as a weapon of war.

I don't want to see ethnic cleansing:
August 2013:Aleppo Christians Fear Iraq-Style Ethnic Cleansing
July 2013: Syrian Sunnis fear Assad regime wants to 'ethnically cleanse' Alawite heartland
August 28, 2013: Syrian Kurds face ‘ethnic cleansing’ by Islamist groups – party leader

From June 11, 2012:
Some said "shabbiha" gunmen from Assad's Alawite minority, long armed by the elite in Damascus, may be pursuing a campaign to drive out Sunnis to create a buffer zone around an Alawite safe haven of last resort along the coast. It raises the risk of a Yugoslav-style break-up of Syria that would set off tremors across the religious and ethnic faultlines of the Middle East.

"These massacres are a kind of ethnic cleansing," said a prominent politician from the Christian community across the border in Lebanon, which saw 15 years of communal blood-letting up to 1990. "They are purging their areas like in Bosnia."
[snip]
"Militarily, there are no important victories the regime is achieving. It shows that they have entered the final stage, which is to start regrouping in their own areas."
Last year the United Nations issued a report stating "Syrian Government and opposition forces responsible for war crimes." End Genocide - an organization that tracks atrocities - said the following of the report:
The United Nations has condemned the violence against civilians, but has been unable to agree on appropriate action. A report commissioned by the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry (CoI) on Syria, cites that war crimes, including murder, extrajudicial killings and torture, and gross violations of international human rights, including unlawful killing, attacks against civilians and acts of sexual violence, have been committed in line with State policy, with indications of the involvement at the highest levels of the Government, as well as security and armed forces. The report also concludes that the Government forces and Shabiha fighters were responsible for the Houla massacre. While opposition forces also committed war crimes, including murder and torture, the CoI says that their violations and abuses were not of the same gravity, frequency and scale as those committed by Government forces and Shabiha militias.

This was long before the reports and images we have seen these past few months of the use of chemical weaponry on the Syrian people. While we focus with near obsession (understandably) about the use of these weapons, it is important to remember that this isn't the only thing that is terrible about what is happening in Syria. Rape is being used as a tool of war:
Syrian government forces have used sexual violence to torture men, women, and boys detained during the current conflict. Witnesses and victims also told Human Rights Watch that soldiers and pro-government armed militias have sexually abused women and girls as young as 12 during home raids and military sweeps of residential areas.
In July Vanity Fair ran an article about Syria's Unspoken Crimes:
“Sexual violence in Syria is not systematic—it’s not like Rwanda,” said Dr. Zahra, a Syrian gynecologist working with refugee women in Antakya, Turkey, not far from the Syrian border, where nearly an estimated 10,000 Syrians are living, having fled their country. “But it is happening. It is happening every day.”

The truth, in other words, is bad enough. But getting accurate and reliable data on rape in Syria is, of course, extremely difficult, due to the chaos and danger of operating in a war zone. Cultural and religious beliefs are a further hindrance to accurate reporting. A woman’s virginity is closely linked to the concept of honor—not just the victim’s but also her family’s. A recent U.N. Commission of Inquiry report on Syria cites five instances of women who committed suicide after being raped, so intense is the shame associated with the crime. “People just cannot talk about it,” said Dr. Zahra. As the C.O.I. report noted, “Chronic under-reporting has made judging the magnitude of this violation difficult.” That is likely true as well for male rape, which has been reported in prisons and detention centers.
The reporter goes onto write "It’s important to note that the victimizers are not always government troops but often members of the Shabiha, a brutal militia loyal to President Bashar al-Assad that has committed some of the war’s worst atrocities. Which is not to say the rebels are angels, by any means. "
“Rape happens because we have no state now,” the lawyer told me. “We have no laws. There is violation from both sides. The government side is guilty because of the number of people in detention. And the opposition side has their own courts, and we are also hearing many cases of rape committed by the rebels.” He sighed deeply. “We have seen the beginning. But there is no end.”

This gets to the crux of one thing SoS Kerry said in his interview last night with Chis Hayes:
HAYES: There’s a — a pretty shocking video by “The New York Times” posted today. It’s Syrian rebels executing captured Assad soldiers, a gunshot to the back of the head, naked.

If the U.S. attacks Syria, do those men in those videos become, by definition, our allies?

KERRY: No. In fact, I believe that those men in those videos are disadvantaged by an American response to the chemical weapons use because it, in fact, empowers the moderate opposition.

We all know there are about 11 really bad opposition groups — so-called opposition. They’re not — they’re fighting Assad. They are not part of the opposition that is being supported by our friends and ourselves. That is a moderate opposition. They condemn what has happened today and they will — they are and we are busy separating the support we’re getting from any possibility of that support going to these guys.
The message Kerry is trying to send (and, in my opinion, poorly communicating) is that the opposition to Assad is fractured among different groups and that many of those groups over the course of this civil war are becoming more extreme. I don't know how we can effect change to give the 'moderate' opposition more empowerment at this point. He doesn't make clear who or what this moderate opposition is. Truth be told, I don't know if there is a moderate opposition at this point. It appears as though this civil war, once non-sectarian, has devolved into a full blown religious war:
As Congress holds hearings to determine a response to that attack, Middle East experts say it's imperative to understand the major religious players in Syria, and why they are fighting.

The stakes couldn't be higher, experts say.

"If we come and and give one group a total win, we may be setting up an ethnic cleansing," Landis said.
The main players in this situation are the Alawites, Shiites, Sunnis, and Christians. This isn't even accounting for the ethnicity of the people living in and fleeing from Syria The Kurds being one example. This is about much more than the use of chemical weaponry and I believe that needs to be communicated much more in the media and by government -- not only ours, but globally.

The UN has stated that the Number of Syrian refugees has topped two million people. Escaping the violence and terror of their home country is no guarantee of security in refugee camps.
Outside the conflict, in sprawling camps and overloaded host communities, aid workers report a soaring number of incidents of domestic violence and rampant sexual exploitation.

But this is a deeply conservative society. The violence suffered by Syrian women and girls is hidden under a blanket of fear, shame and silence that even international aid workers are loth to lift. [snip]

“There is a tendency to think that once [women] have crossed the border, they are safe”, says Melanie Megevand, a specialist in gender-based violence at International Rescue Committee charity. “But they just face a different violence once they become refugees.” In a reversal of the cultural norm, many families here are headed by women. Fathers and husbands have either been killed or gone to fight.

Um Firas has lived in Mafraq, near Zaatari, for more than a year since escaping Homs. She rarely leaves her home. Her husband disappeared years before the war so she is alone, accumulating an enormous debt to cover her rent. She still believes her family is better off in debt than inside the camp.

She is particularly concerned for her teenage daughter, who took to sunbathing until her skin burned in Syria. “She told me, ‘If I turn black, the Shabiha [pro-government militia] might not want to rape me”, she said. “They were targeting women. Iranian and Hezbollah fighters came into our neighborhood with their swords drawn. The women they found, they raped. They burned our homes”, she adds, too exhausted by grief to stop crying.
I don't want to see this. I don't want to know that this is happening. I don't want to be involved. I don't want to see things like this being said by our Secretary of State:
That is specifically to enforce the international norm, almost a century old now, that came out of World War II — out of the horrors of World War I — whereby 189 nations have signed an agreement that we will not use chemical weapons in warfare.

And — and Bashar Al-Assad joins with Adolph Hitler and Saddam Hussein as being somebody who has crossed that line.
I don't want to see comparisons like that made because it a false analogy. Saddam Hussein ethnically cleansed the Kurds in the 1980's. Hitler committed Genocide against the Jews. It's not (yet) proven to be true that genocide is happening in Syria. There is, however, a case to be made that Ethnic Cleansing is happening according to the United Nations:
Ethnic Cleansing is the deliberate and systematic removal of a racial, political, or cultural group from a specific geographical area. A 1993 United Nations Commission defined it more specifically as, "the planned deliberate removal from a specific territory, persons of a particular ethnic group, by force or intimidation, in order to render that area ethnically homogenous."

The term ethnic cleansing is different from genocide. These terms are not synonymous, yet the academic discourse considers both as existing in a spectrum of assaults on nations or religio-ethnic groups. Ethnic cleansing is similar to forced deportation or 'population transfer' whereas genocide is the intentional murder of part or all of a particular ethnic, religious, or national group. The idea in ethnic cleansing is "to get people to move, and the means used to this end range from the legal to the semi-legal”. Genocide is a subset of murderous ethnic cleansing. The war events in former Yugoslavia, especially in Bosnia and Kosovo is an example for ethnic cleansing. Jews killed during Nazi regime is an example for genocide.


I don't want this. I don't want this to be our business. I don't want this to get worse. I don't want to know these things, but I think it is important to understand that this is far worse than the use of chemical weapons. I cannot stress that enough. Understanding is not consent.

and
Raine
 

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Comment by wickedpam on 09/06/2013 13:40:04
Morning *ducks flying donuts*

Comment by Raine on 09/06/2013 14:29:35
---BLOG IS POSTED---

I'm sorry about the delay, this ended up being a lot longer than I originally planned.


Comment by TriSec on 09/06/2013 14:46:18
Morning, all.

I honestly have no idea which way we should go on this. I fear that there's a "Good German" mentality among many around the world right now, meaning that they're just going to look the other way and carry on because "It's not happening to us."

I do like what the President is asking though....(Paraphrasing) if Assad gasses his own people, and the world looks the other way, what does that say about us?

But I think there may actually be merit in Putin's assertion that there's no proof it was Assad...the big 'selling point' of nerve gas is that it's cheap and easy to manufacture if you have the right equipment. Ordinarily, I'd say that only the government would have aircraft and missiles used for delivery, but the way the arms merchants have flooded the world market, any jamoke with the right cash in hand can buy just about anything they need.

And like I alluded to Saturday, the whole world is weary and wary about getting into yet another war in the Middle East. I can almost feel the globe coalescing into almost a reverse-isolationist stance, but of course what good is that to the Syrians?

I can't help but think of my deceased friend, who was among the first into Kuwait City 22 years ago....in some ways we're still paying the price for that. The GOP always talks about "our grandchildren paying the bills", and it increasingly looks like they'll be "fighting the wars", too.

But like everyone else...I have no answers. I really don't know what to do here.



Comment by Scoopster on 09/06/2013 14:47:35
Comment by wickedpam on 09/06/2013 14:48:36
I'm just as confused as you - I'm so tired of the unrest in that part of the world that I''ve become numb to it anymore (which is sad).

Comment by Raine on 09/06/2013 15:00:52
Comment by Raine on 09/06/2013 15:16:35
Really great explanation of Syria. (A little less snark would have been nice) The whole thing is really good, but this struck me:

So why would Obama bother with strikes that no one expects to actually solve anything?

Okay, you’re asking here about the Obama administration’s not-so-subtle signals that it wants to launch some cruise missiles at Syria, which would be punishment for what it says is Assad’s use of chemical weapons against civilians.

It’s true that basically no one believes that this will turn the tide of the Syrian war. But this is important: it’s not supposed to. The strikes wouldn’t be meant to shape the course of the war or to topple Assad, which Obama thinks would just make things worse anyway. They would be meant to punish Assad for (allegedly) using chemical weapons and to deter him, or any future military leader in any future war, from using them again.


Comment by Mondobubba on 09/06/2013 15:35:24
:grunt: That is all.



Comment by Mondobubba on 09/06/2013 15:38:10
Oh and

Comment by Raine on 09/06/2013 15:46:38
HEading out to run errands... BBL.

and for Mondo:

Comment by livingonli on 09/06/2013 15:56:53
At least they are not advocating regime change. But with the fundamentalists in the opposition, overthrowing Assad may just simply lead to one devil being replaced by another as the situation in Egypt is evolving into.

Comment by TriSec on 09/06/2013 15:57:37
I second that .

My friend is in the hospital - he apparently attempted suicide earlier in the week.

(Heard from his Mum last night.)



Comment by TriSec on 09/06/2013 16:36:21
An interesting footnote for today, as noted on Wikipedia:

1944 – World War II: The city of Ypres, Belgium is liberated by allied forces.
1944 – World War II: Soviet forces capture the city of Tartu, Estonia.


Had Tartu been on "our" side of Germany, I'm sure it would have been listed as "liberated" today too.

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/06/2013 16:37:35
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/06/2013 16:38:20
Quote by TriSec:
I second that .

My friend is in the hospital - he apparently attempted suicide earlier in the week.

(Heard from his Mum last night.)




Your best man friend? :worried:

Comment by trojanrabbit on 09/06/2013 16:39:21
All this Syria stuff is getting me weary. I agree there doesn't seem to be a way out without some group getting royally screwed.

I also wish Hillary was still our SoS. Not that it would change any thing, but the perception of someone who knew what they were doing would be there.

Shrug

Comment by TriSec on 09/06/2013 16:43:52
Ah, and it is the anniversary of "the night I forgave baseball".

This Sox fan shall tip his cap towards Baltimore this evening.



Comment by Scoopster on 09/06/2013 16:47:22




Comment by Mondobubba on 09/06/2013 16:54:30
Quote by TriSec:
Ah, and it is the anniversary of "the night I forgave baseball".

This Sox fan shall tip his cap towards Baltimore this evening.




Cal might be kind of a right-wing tool, but he is my right-wing tool!

Oh I see the Sawks beat the Yanquis last night. I wonder how long that game took to play?

Comment by livingonli on 09/06/2013 17:25:07
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Ah, and it is the anniversary of "the night I forgave baseball".

This Sox fan shall tip his cap towards Baltimore this evening.




Cal might be kind of a right-wing tool, but he is my right-wing tool!

Oh I see the Sawks beat the Yanquis last night. I wonder how long that game took to play?

4 hours and 45 minutes to play 10 innings because we were waiting for the game to finish to update Sportsnite and then ended up doing practically the whole 1 AM show live because we had to wait for the football game to finish (I think that game took longer than the Super Bowl to play even if you don't count the lightning delay).

Comment by Scoopster on 09/06/2013 17:34:16
Psh.. there's no rain delays in handegg!

Comment by clintster on 09/06/2013 19:28:32
Here's your Friday plaything: Isolated sounds from Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon"

Have fun!

Comment by Raine on 09/06/2013 21:37:13
Quote by trojanrabbit:
All this Syria stuff is getting me weary. I agree there doesn't seem to be a way out without some group getting royally screwed.

I also wish Hillary was still our SoS. Not that it would change any thing, but the perception of someone who knew what they were doing would be there.

Shrug
I said the same thing last. No disrespect to Kerry, but I was genuinely missing Clinton while watching that interview.

My errands ran longer than I thought.


Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/06/2013 23:10:50
Raine, thanks for a great blog. I have no answers regarding Syria but only questions. As of now, I find myself opposing military action as I do not see it changing the situation for civilians.

We find ourselves paying a price from the war in Iraq -- people doubt our word. There also is a lot of war fatigue.

What is needed is a push for a negotiated settlement of this conflict.

TriSec, I hope that your friend will heal soon and get the help that he needs.