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Author: TriSec    Date: 05/20/2008 10:46:56

Good Morning. Today is our 1,889th day in Iraq.

We'll start this morning as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from the Warron Terra, courtesy of Antiwar.com:

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4079
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3940
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3618
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3220
Since Election (1/31/05): 2642

Other Coalition Troops: 312
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 501


We find this morning's cost of war passing through $ 521, 170, 625, 000.00


Not quite a veteran's issue, but I couldn't let this one pass. Much has been made in recent days over Sen. Obama's diplomacy proposals...that is, doing the untinkable thing of actually talking to those in the world that would disagree with us. Of course, other countries in the world agree this is a good thing. France, for example, has been talking to Hamas for months.


PARIS, May 19 -- France has had contacts with the leaders of the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas "for several months," French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said Monday.

"We must be able to talk if we want to play a role," Kouchner said in a radio interview. "These are not relations, they are contacts."

Kouchner's remarks followed the publication Monday of an interview with France's emissary to Hamas -- a former ambassador to Iraq -- in the daily newspaper Le Figaro.

The disclosure of French contacts with Hamas, which the United States and European Union consider a terrorist organization, followed an uproar in the U.S. presidential campaign over the issue of government contacts with sponsors of terrorism.

President Bush, during a Middle East visit last week, told the Israeli parliament, "Some seem to believe we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along." He compared the willingness to meet with "terrorists and radicals" to the pre-World War II "appeasement" of Nazi Germany.

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama chastised Bush for what he said was an obvious slap at his comments that the United States should open lines of communication with countries such as Iran and Syria in an effort to advance peace. The senator from Illinois has not advocated negotiating with the Hamas organization.

Hamas defeated the Fatah movement, long dominant in the Palestinian territories, in January 2006 parliamentary elections. After a power-sharing deal failed, Hamas last June forcibly took control of the Gaza Strip, where it is much stronger and more influential than Fatah, which continues to control the Palestinian Authority from its base in the West Bank.

Former U.S. president Jimmy Carter drew criticism from Israel and the Bush administration for meeting with Hamas leaders in Damascus, Syria, last month.

Regarding the French contacts, Israeli officials said they had been assured that France's policy had not changed.

In Washington, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said, "We don't believe it is helpful to the process of bringing peace to the region."

Carter and French emissary Yves Aubin de la Messuzi¿re gave similar accounts of their separate sessions with Hamas, saying its leadership appeared willing to moderate its political positions.

Kouchner, in his interview with Europe 1 radio, said Hamas still does not recognize the state of Israel but is "more flexible than before" on the subject. Historically, Hamas has called for Israel's elimination.

"They assured that they were ready to accept a Palestinian state," de la Messuzi¿re told Le Figaro, adding that the statement "amounts to an indirect recognition of Israel."

"They said they were ready to stop suicide attacks and, what surprised me is that the Islamist leaders recognize the legitimacy of Mahmoud Abbas," said de la Messuzi¿re, referring to the Palestinian Authority president from Fatah.

De la Messuzi¿re said he met with the Hamas prime minister, Ismael Haniyeh, and his Gaza foreign minister, Mahmoud Zahar.

The government announced its contacts with Hamas because "we must do so clearly" and with the full knowledge of France's partners, Kouchner said.




Perhaps you've heard of the story of Matthis Chiroux by now. He served for four years in non-combat areas in the US Army, and was honorably discharged last year. However, he was recently stop-lossed and ordered to report to the war in Iraq. He's not going.
Sgt. Matthis Chiroux, who served in the Army until being honorably discharged last summer after over four years of service in Afghanistan, Japan, Europe and the Phillipines, today publicly announced his intention to refuse orders to deploy to Iraq.

Sgt. Chiroux made made his announcement in the Cannon House Office Building Rotunda after members of Iraq Veterans Against the War testified before the Congressional Progressive Caucus during Winter Soldier on the Hill.

Sgt. Chiroux made the following statement to the press. (Video of his announcement is also available.)

Good afternoon. My name is Sgt. Matthis Chiroux, and I served in the Army as a Photojournalist until being honorably discharged last summer after over four years of service in Afghanistan, Japan, Europe and the Phillipines. As an Army journalist whose job it was to collect and filter servicemember's stories, I heard many stomach-churning testimonies of the horrors and crimes taking place in Iraq. For fear of retaliation from the military, I failed to report these crimes, but never again will I allow fear to silence me. Never again will I fail to stand.

In February, I received a letter from the Army ordering my return to active duty, for the purpose of mobilization for Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Thanks in great part to the truths of war being fearlessly spoken by my fellow IVAW members, I stand before you today with the strength, clarity and resolve to declare to the military and the world that this Soldier will not be deploying to Iraq.

This occupation is unconstitutional and illegal and I hereby lawfully refuse to participate as I will surely be a party to war crimes. Furthermore, deployment in support of illegal war violates all of my core values as a human being, but in keeping with those values, I choose to remain in the United States to defend myself from charges brought by the Army if they so wish to pursue them. I refuse to participate in the occupation of Iraq.



I'm going to leave it at that today....



 

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Comment by BobR on 05/20/2008 12:31:43
I heard about this yesterday. Good on him!

Comment by m-hadley on 05/20/2008 13:00:30
Mornin' Everybody :coffee:

Hope you all have a great day. I think that Sgt. Matthis Chiroux is a true hero, like Ehren Watada. Bless all war resisters! :D

Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 13:12:33
Good morning!

Comment by Shane-O on 05/20/2008 13:23:17
Morning all!

Comment by shelaghc on 05/20/2008 13:31:43
I posted this yesterday, but with your post it bears repeating.







And there's this one too:





Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 13:41:44
For those that missed last nights Photoshop fun...

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa213/FourFreedoms/dr_McEvil.jpg




Comment by shelaghc on 05/20/2008 13:46:02
Has the speech from the Obama rally yesterday been posted anywhere?



Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 13:50:26
Men are allowed to cry at "Brian's Song" as well...

Comment by Shane-O on 05/20/2008 13:51:22
And "Rudy"!

Comment by wickedpam on 05/20/2008 13:52:26
I thought that was one of the first "guy" crying movies along with Shane and Old Yeller

Comment by wickedpam on 05/20/2008 13:52:52
BTW - Morning :hug:

Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 13:53:00
Quote by shelaghc:

Has the speech from the Obama rally yesterday been posted anywhere?







Here is a small snippet, I am trying to find a longer version.

Comment by Scoopster on 05/20/2008 13:53:32
Good morning all! Two more days! (I'm not excited or anything..)



Holy shoop Raine.. where did you find that one?!

Comment by shelaghc on 05/20/2008 13:56:09
Just a thought - now that Rachel had the highest ratings all newsday last Friday, does this mean no one but Rachel will ever ever fill in for KO?



:pray:

Comment by Shane-O on 05/20/2008 13:57:30
Quote by wickedpam:

I thought that was one of the first "guy" crying movies along with Shane and Old Yeller




Oh dear please don't mention that movie.



I cannot count the number of times been asked to "please come back."

Comment by wickedpam on 05/20/2008 13:58:29
Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by wickedpam:

I thought that was one of the first "guy" crying movies along with Shane and Old Yeller




Oh dear please don't mention that movie.



I cannot count the number of times been asked to "please come back."






:spit:



Comment by Shane-O on 05/20/2008 14:00:29
Although I do wish that Momma wanted me... ("I know she does")

Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 14:01:04
Quote by Scoopster:

Good morning all! Two more days! (I'm not excited or anything..)



Holy shoop Raine.. where did you find that one?!


Heya Scoop! I made it yesterday!



Today I am gonna try to do one of Dr. Evil and Number 2 (feat. LIEberman.)

Comment by velveeta jones on 05/20/2008 14:10:06
Morning all! Great post, and great video's from the YouTubes.



:D

Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 14:11:19
Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 14:16:31
It's John McCains Junta: Lobbyists.

Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 14:19:59
Wow. Sweden sounds cool!

Comment by BobR on 05/20/2008 14:20:13
Morning folks... :coffee:



In the office now - what movie was being discussed?



Comment by BobR on 05/20/2008 14:21:26
Hey Shelagh - I put the DVDs in the mail yesterday. I'll email you with more details later...

Comment by Scoopster on 05/20/2008 14:21:58
Comment by BobR on 05/20/2008 14:24:05


Yikes - I guess it's safe to say that most of us are probably on one of those lists...

Comment by Shane-O on 05/20/2008 14:24:13
Quote by Raine:

Wow. Sweden sounds cool!




Jim's voice reminds me of The Muppets - The Swedish Chef...



Perhaps a bit could be there...



Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 14:26:01
Comment by TriSec on 05/20/2008 14:26:43




Ooooh! Oooooh! Me! Me! Me!



Oh, wait...it wasn't that kind of question. :kickcan:





I guess we know who our cellmates will be at Gitmo. At least we'll be among friends.





Comment by BobR on 05/20/2008 14:28:03
Quote by Scoopster:

Oh yeah.. the Creationists are STILL a problem.


That looks interesting, but I don't have time to read it now (it's very long). Remind me to read it later... :P

Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 14:43:55
Oh caller.



As an aside:



A clinton supporter on the TV machine just said that Barack Obama is scared of Hillary like Michaek Douglas was of Glenn Close in Fatal attraction.



Mika (name? MSNBC) said that was a terrible analogy. The Obama supporter said it was NOT appropriate.

Comment by shelaghc on 05/20/2008 14:44:32
Did the blog break?......



Comment by jd_in_ny on 05/20/2008 14:44:35
I am sick of hearing that Obama supporters have to be gracious winners (and, yes, it's true), but just have to TAKE whatever Clinton's campaign and supporters decide to pull out. It's BULL.

Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 14:45:47
Quote by shelaghc:

Did the blog break?......

It seems like it burped.







Comment by BobR on 05/20/2008 14:47:18
Quote by Raine:

Oh caller.



As an aside:



A clinton supporter on the TV machine just said that Barack Obama is scared of Hillary like Michaek Douglas was of Glenn Close in Fatal attraction.



Mika (name? MSNBC) said that was a terrible analogy. The Obama supporter said it was NOT appropriate.


Maybe Hillary should use the Talking Heads "Psycho Killer" as her theme song:

Psycho Killer

Qu'est-ce que c'est

fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better

Run run run run run run run away




Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 14:47:20
Quote by jd_in_ny:

I am sick of hearing that Obama supporters have to be gracious winners (and, yes, it's true), but just have to TAKE whatever Clinton's campaign and supporters decide to pull out. It's BULL.


elitist.























:P

Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 14:49:19
BTW, only about 25% of voters are expected to turn out in Kentucky today. Remember that when the spinmeisers start doing what they do.

Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 14:51:56
I love Sanchez. I wish we could get him to blog here.

Comment by TriSec on 05/20/2008 14:51:58
News Flash from TriSecLand:



I'm ahead of my podcasts this week....I am actually listening to Momma right now!!



And I'll probably get Thom on later, too!



:party:





Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 14:53:30
You know, Everyone who says that Hillary is the better candidate based upon how states voted in the past don't get something.



This is not a normal election year. ALL the old rules no longer apply. MSNBC just said that GEORGIA may go for Barack.



Georgia.

Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 14:56:03
Comment by jd_in_ny on 05/20/2008 15:00:21
Quote by Raine:

You know, Everyone who says that Hillary is the better candidate based upon how states voted in the past don't get something.



This is not a normal election year. ALL the old rules no longer apply. MSNBC just said that GEORGIA may go for Barack.



Georgia.


I know! The pollsters don't know what to do with all the new voters coming out this year - how do you calculate "likely voters"? how do you effectively reach people who don't have land lines?

And any argument that posits that Obama won't win CA and NY is just freakin' ridiculous.



Comment by TriSec on 05/20/2008 15:00:24
Ya know, where is the media coming up with this "bitter democrat" syndrome?



I've had vigorous arguments with both family and friends who support the Senator from New York, but thus far we've always parted with a "no matter what happens, I'm still voting for whoever has the "D" after their name in November..."



I have yet to personally encounter a Hillary or Barack supporter that is not planning on showing up if their candidate loses...





Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 15:01:21
I like this caller.



Sadly, and I am going to say it, hillary IS becoming all the BAD stereotypes of woman. She yells, she nags, and she doesn't know when the fight over. Feminism is about more than just being a tough 'broad'. IT is more than just screaming that you have been treated unfairly. You don't get to claim SEXISM and then say you are a feminist.



And yes, I am a feminist.

Comment by m-hadley on 05/20/2008 15:02:15




Thanks so much for posting this Raine!

I knew that Obama had been to the Crow Agency yesterday, but hadn't seen the video - thanks again :hug:

Cheers,

mfaye



Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 15:03:11
HAs anyone else heard that DAvid PAtterson (Gov. NYS ) was hospitalized? I heard it was for Migraine-like symptoms.







Comment by Raine on 05/20/2008 15:05:43
I despise Geraldine Ferrarro.



ON MSNBC right now she just said that Barack Obama is "terribly Sexist" and she said she doesn't think she would vote for him, ALL the same time as she is saying that it is VERY important to get a dem in office.



I have a few sexist words in my thought bubble right now.

Comment by TriSec on 05/20/2008 15:06:20
NovaM....heat advisory in Phoenix, with a high of 109º.



Oh, that sounds nice. (54º in Boston, 4 days before Memorial Day Weekend.)