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Day 1
Author: BobR
Date: 06/04/2008 12:21:26
Our long national nightmare is over.
The Primary season has finally come to a close. No more speaches, no more talking heads, no more tortured math about the popular vote. Barack Obama collected enough delegates yesterday to clinch the nomination. He WILL be the nominee for the Democratic Party in the fall.
There will be the desperate naysayers. There will be those hanging on to the notion that enough superdelegates could be persuaded to change their minds to deliver the nomination to Senator Clinton. Despite their pleas, despite their rationalization, despite their fuzzy math, it will not happen. The Clintons are a powerful political force, but the electorate is more so, and the electorate has spoken.
There was hope and there were expectations that Clinton would concede the victory last night, but she did not. Her motivations for not exiting gracefully when it's clear that she's lost the race may never be known for sure. Is she hoping to change the minds of the superdelegates?... Does she think that not conceding will give her more leverage for a veep slot?... Does she hope that more people will contribute to her campaign to help her retire her debt?
The reality is that she still wields a tremendous amount of power in this election. She has a huge number of supporters, some of them quite rabid. She can control whether Obama or McCain wins in the fall. She cannot, however, control whether she gets the top slot, something that she must come to terms with. If she were to tell all of her supporters "I want you to vote for Obama in November", I suspect a large number that are saying they'd vote for McCain over Obama would heed her words. The threatened migration of Hillary supports across party lines would not happen.
She won't do that until the last night of the convention. That is her biggest ace in the hole, and she is smart not to play it until she gets whatever she can at the convention. I just hope she puts country and party above herself when it comes down to it.
For now we can breathe again, and put our support behind Obama. This is an historic moment. He has done what has only been attempted by others in the past like Shirley Chisholm, Carol Moseley Braun, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton. He is the other bookend that began in 1872 with John Roy Lynch and Frederick Douglass (whose running mate was a woman!).
More importanly though, he is our candidate, an erudite man that cares about ALL Americans, and will lead our country the way he ran his primary campaign: with grace, humility, and a velvet hammer when needed. He is a man for the people, of the people, and selected by the people.
Today is day 1. It's time to focus on McCain and November.
The Primary season has finally come to a close. No more speaches, no more talking heads, no more tortured math about the popular vote. Barack Obama collected enough delegates yesterday to clinch the nomination. He WILL be the nominee for the Democratic Party in the fall.
There will be the desperate naysayers. There will be those hanging on to the notion that enough superdelegates could be persuaded to change their minds to deliver the nomination to Senator Clinton. Despite their pleas, despite their rationalization, despite their fuzzy math, it will not happen. The Clintons are a powerful political force, but the electorate is more so, and the electorate has spoken.
There was hope and there were expectations that Clinton would concede the victory last night, but she did not. Her motivations for not exiting gracefully when it's clear that she's lost the race may never be known for sure. Is she hoping to change the minds of the superdelegates?... Does she think that not conceding will give her more leverage for a veep slot?... Does she hope that more people will contribute to her campaign to help her retire her debt?
The reality is that she still wields a tremendous amount of power in this election. She has a huge number of supporters, some of them quite rabid. She can control whether Obama or McCain wins in the fall. She cannot, however, control whether she gets the top slot, something that she must come to terms with. If she were to tell all of her supporters "I want you to vote for Obama in November", I suspect a large number that are saying they'd vote for McCain over Obama would heed her words. The threatened migration of Hillary supports across party lines would not happen.
She won't do that until the last night of the convention. That is her biggest ace in the hole, and she is smart not to play it until she gets whatever she can at the convention. I just hope she puts country and party above herself when it comes down to it.
For now we can breathe again, and put our support behind Obama. This is an historic moment. He has done what has only been attempted by others in the past like Shirley Chisholm, Carol Moseley Braun, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton. He is the other bookend that began in 1872 with John Roy Lynch and Frederick Douglass (whose running mate was a woman!).
More importanly though, he is our candidate, an erudite man that cares about ALL Americans, and will lead our country the way he ran his primary campaign: with grace, humility, and a velvet hammer when needed. He is a man for the people, of the people, and selected by the people.
Today is day 1. It's time to focus on McCain and November.
Comments:
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Comment by 
clintster on 06/04/2008 12:30:57
clintster on 06/04/2008 12:30:57
I will refrain from using the dreaded "F" comment, but since I'm breaking ground on this here post...
I was going to use today to gloat all over the Stooges at the liveblog, but following the example of OUR nominee, I will refrain and simply say how unfortunate it is that some Hillary supporters just can't seem to let go. I noticed that Adele is bringing up the allegedly shocking "Why'd he" video. Sad, really.
I was going to use today to gloat all over the Stooges at the liveblog, but following the example of OUR nominee, I will refrain and simply say how unfortunate it is that some Hillary supporters just can't seem to let go. I noticed that Adele is bringing up the allegedly shocking "Why'd he" video. Sad, really.
Comment by 
Random on 06/04/2008 12:32:34
Random on 06/04/2008 12:32:34
Super Delegates Declaring:
PatM and Scoopster
South Dakota:
No One, 10 point difference.
Montana:
Random and livingonli, 15 point difference.
There, said that.
Just one Stooge, Adela.
She's shown her true colors.
She's an idiot, changing her party so she can vote in a null and void primrary.
PatM and Scoopster
South Dakota:
No One, 10 point difference.
Montana:
Random and livingonli, 15 point difference.
There, said that.
Just one Stooge, Adela.
She's shown her true colors.
She's an idiot, changing her party so she can vote in a null and void primrary.
Comment by clintster on 06/04/2008 12:47:56
clintster on 06/04/2008 12:47:56
I tried posting this link at the liveblog, but it got swallowed up. What should be Barack's theme for the fall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxl4lQ8tmdM
And thank God Chris is laying down the law on the liveblog!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxl4lQ8tmdM
And thank God Chris is laying down the law on the liveblog!
Comment by 
Shane-O on 06/04/2008 12:53:09
Shane-O on 06/04/2008 12:53:09
Chris has pulled over the Live Blog! -- psst! -- it's a COMEDY SHOW!
Comment by 
BobR on 06/04/2008 12:56:12
According to this, Montana was a 16 point difference.
BobR on 06/04/2008 12:56:12
Quote by Random:
Super Delegates Declaring:
PatM and Scoopster
South Dakota:
No One, 10 point difference.
Montana:
Random and livingonli, 15 point difference.
There, said that.
Just one Stooge, Adela.
She's shown her true colors.
She's an idiot, changing her party so she can vote in a null and void primrary.
According to this, Montana was a 16 point difference.
Comment by Random on 06/04/2008 13:00:54
Random on 06/04/2008 13:00:54
Eh...He was coming down on those of us attacking Adela.
I still stand by that she's an idiot.
I still stand by that she's an idiot.
Comment by BobR on 06/04/2008 13:03:36
BobR on 06/04/2008 13:03:36
Top Ten things overheard at Clinton Campaign headquarters:
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 06/04/2008 13:04:44
Good morning, bloggers!!! Excellent blog entry, BobR! We have to remember that if we want Obama to win and push forward more progressive policies, he will need out support and our voices to counter other influences.
I think that your advice is sound. Maybe the Stephanie Miller Show team has decided enough is enough. Let us try to convince Clinton's supporters that what unites Democrats and progressives is more powerful and important than what divides us.
The UNN Daily Headlines are up.
Will in Chicago on 06/04/2008 13:04:44
Quote by clintster:
I will refrain from using the dreaded "F" comment, but since I'm breaking ground on this here post...
I was going to use today to gloat all over the Stooges at the liveblog, but following the example of OUR nominee, I will refrain and simply say how unfortunate it is that some Hillary supporters just can't seem to let go. I noticed that Adele is bringing up the allegedly shocking "Why'd he" video. Sad, really.
Good morning, bloggers!!! Excellent blog entry, BobR! We have to remember that if we want Obama to win and push forward more progressive policies, he will need out support and our voices to counter other influences.
I think that your advice is sound. Maybe the Stephanie Miller Show team has decided enough is enough. Let us try to convince Clinton's supporters that what unites Democrats and progressives is more powerful and important than what divides us.
The UNN Daily Headlines are up.
Comment by Random on 06/04/2008 13:05:35
MSNBC says
Obama 102,373 56% 8
Clinton 74,792 41% 7
and *shudders* Fox has
Obama 102,373 58% 9
Clinton 74,792 42% 4
...This is gonna have to be decided a lil later than...
Random on 06/04/2008 13:05:35
Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
Super Delegates Declaring:
PatM and Scoopster
South Dakota:
No One, 10 point difference.
Montana:
Random and livingonli, 15 point difference.
There, said that.
Just one Stooge, Adela.
She's shown her true colors.
She's an idiot, changing her party so she can vote in a null and void primrary.
According to this, Montana was a 16 point difference.
MSNBC says
Obama 102,373 56% 8
Clinton 74,792 41% 7
and *shudders* Fox has
Obama 102,373 58% 9
Clinton 74,792 42% 4
...This is gonna have to be decided a lil later than...
Comment by Random on 06/04/2008 13:08:21
Ha...Is Obama still hiring?
Random on 06/04/2008 13:08:21
Quote by BobR:
Top Ten things overheard at Clinton Campaign headquarters:
Ha...Is Obama still hiring?
Comment by MNRN on 06/04/2008 13:10:55
MNRN on 06/04/2008 13:10:55
Shane-O.....very nice.....!!!
Morning friends. Morning in America.
Morning friends. Morning in America.
Comment by Shane-O on 06/04/2008 13:12:49
I wanted to be nice. I've done more than my share of Clinton bashing via the SMS.
Shane-O on 06/04/2008 13:12:49
Quote by MNRN:
Shane-O.....very nice.....!!!
Morning friends. Morning in America.
I wanted to be nice. I've done more than my share of Clinton bashing via the SMS.
Comment by clintster on 06/04/2008 13:15:50
clintster on 06/04/2008 13:15:50
Rye and bitters for all!
Comment by 
Raine on 06/04/2008 13:18:45
Raine on 06/04/2008 13:18:45
Good morning everyone!
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 06/04/2008 13:22:28
velveeta jones on 06/04/2008 13:22:28
Great post BobR! And I agree with you. I was so hoping to hear her finally be gracious and bow out........... sadly she did not. And worse, she wants us to go to her website to tell her what we think, but when you go you are met with a pop-up box asking for your opinion - your ONLY choice? "Show your support and stand with Hillary".
:thud:
Sure, you can leave a message, but they aren't going to read the personal messages, they are going to ................(wait for it) .................. count the votes and say that 30 million people or so, want her to stay in the race.
:thud:
Sure, you can leave a message, but they aren't going to read the personal messages, they are going to ................(wait for it) .................. count the votes and say that 30 million people or so, want her to stay in the race.
Comment by BobR on 06/04/2008 13:27:34
BobR on 06/04/2008 13:27:34
Excellent post-mortem analysis:
By itself, Clinton's Iraq vote didn't cost her the nomination. There were other culprits: her ever-changing campaign themes, poor financial planning, squabbling staff and a field organizing plan designed for quick victory rather than a 50-state delegate hunt.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 06/04/2008 13:30:54
Scoopster on 06/04/2008 13:30:54
Morning all.. :coffee:
Can I just say I'm glad these damn primaries are over? I've been getting the worst case of dry eyes from the moisture being sucked out of the room anytime Pat Buchanan starts talking..
Can I just say I'm glad these damn primaries are over? I've been getting the worst case of dry eyes from the moisture being sucked out of the room anytime Pat Buchanan starts talking..
Comment by 
starling310 on 06/04/2008 13:37:42
starling310 on 06/04/2008 13:37:42
:yawn: I had a dream that the primary is over and Obama won.
Comment by 
jd_in_ny on 06/04/2008 13:39:19
well, I hate to tell you.....
kidding!
jd_in_ny on 06/04/2008 13:39:19
Quote by starling310:
:yawn: I had a dream that the primary is over and Obama won.
well, I hate to tell you.....
kidding!
Comment by clintster on 06/04/2008 13:42:57
clintster on 06/04/2008 13:42:57
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2008 13:43:00
Raine on 06/04/2008 13:43:00
Comment by Random on 06/04/2008 13:44:32
Random on 06/04/2008 13:44:32
Comment by 
wickedpam on 06/04/2008 13:49:27
wickedpam on 06/04/2008 13:49:27
Morning :hug:
Comment by starling310 on 06/04/2008 13:51:25
starling310 on 06/04/2008 13:51:25
I'm a tad resentful of how much props the Live Blog gets.
"Live Blog....Meh meh meh meh meh...."
"Live Blog....Meh meh meh meh meh...."
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2008 13:51:55
Raine on 06/04/2008 13:51:55
:rofl: I am made of wax... :spit:
Comment by Random on 06/04/2008 13:53:22
Random on 06/04/2008 13:53:22
An analysis of the speeches last night, as seen through turning of the heads.
McCain: Every three seconds turn head to next prompter - Right - Middle - Left - Middle - Left (damn, wrong direction...pause...pause...) Middle - Right - Middle
Hillary: Left, look down transition, Right, look down transistion, middle.
Had good timing
Obama: Cadence to words with turning of head from Right to left.
McCain: Every three seconds turn head to next prompter - Right - Middle - Left - Middle - Left (damn, wrong direction...pause...pause...) Middle - Right - Middle
Hillary: Left, look down transition, Right, look down transistion, middle.
Had good timing
Obama: Cadence to words with turning of head from Right to left.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/04/2008 13:53:27
same here - I'm feeling like a first born that got replaced with a kid from a second marriage.
wickedpam on 06/04/2008 13:53:27
Quote by starling310:
I'm a tad resentful of how much props the Live Blog gets.
"Live Blog....Meh meh meh meh meh...."
same here - I'm feeling like a first born that got replaced with a kid from a second marriage.
Comment by starling310 on 06/04/2008 13:55:04
:rofl: TOTALLY!
starling310 on 06/04/2008 13:55:04
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
I'm a tad resentful of how much props the Live Blog gets.
"Live Blog....Meh meh meh meh meh...."
same here - I'm feeling like a first born that got replaced with a kid from a second marriage.
:rofl: TOTALLY!
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2008 13:55:38
Raine on 06/04/2008 13:55:38
Harry REID is NOT great.. He is adequate.
And I am trying to figure out WHY everyone thinks that something needs to be *done* with Hillary.
And I am trying to figure out WHY everyone thinks that something needs to be *done* with Hillary.
Comment by clintster on 06/04/2008 13:56:40
Remember a few months ago when Hillary's standard stump speech included the "Clap-clap-nod-nod-point-point"?
clintster on 06/04/2008 13:56:40
Quote by Random:
An analysis of the speeches last night, as seen through turning of the heads.
McCain: Every three seconds turn head to next prompter - Right - Middle - Left - Middle - Left (damn, wrong direction...pause...pause...) Middle - Right - Middle
Hillary: Left, look down transition, Right, look down transistion, middle.
Had good timing
Obama: Cadence to words with turning of head from Right to left.
Remember a few months ago when Hillary's standard stump speech included the "Clap-clap-nod-nod-point-point"?
Comment by Shane-O on 06/04/2008 14:01:43
It's an inartful way of expressing the fact that half the Dem party supports her. She's earned that support - and what her career is in the future will largely dictate how half of the party reacts in the Fall.
Shane-O on 06/04/2008 14:01:43
Quote by Raine:
Harry REID is NOT great.. He is adequate.
And I am trying to figure out WHY everyone thinks that something needs to be *done* with Hillary.
It's an inartful way of expressing the fact that half the Dem party supports her. She's earned that support - and what her career is in the future will largely dictate how half of the party reacts in the Fall.
Comment by Random on 06/04/2008 14:04:40
i'm more making fun of McCain imitating a sprinkler head last night.
Random on 06/04/2008 14:04:40
Quote by clintster:Quote by Random:
An analysis of the speeches last night, as seen through turning of the heads.
McCain: Every three seconds turn head to next prompter - Right - Middle - Left - Middle - Left (damn, wrong direction...pause...pause...) Middle - Right - Middle
Hillary: Left, look down transition, Right, look down transistion, middle.
Had good timing
Obama: Cadence to words with turning of head from Right to left.
Remember a few months ago when Hillary's standard stump speech included the "Clap-clap-nod-nod-point-point"?
i'm more making fun of McCain imitating a sprinkler head last night.
Comment by 
livingonli on 06/04/2008 14:04:53
livingonli on 06/04/2008 14:04:53
Good morning everyone. 
The Harriets and Adeles better wake up and realize that Grampy McSame is just going to be a continuation of the policies of the worst...president....ever.
The Harriets and Adeles better wake up and realize that Grampy McSame is just going to be a continuation of the policies of the worst...president....ever.
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2008 14:05:36
Raine on 06/04/2008 14:05:36
Comment by clintster on 06/04/2008 14:08:33
Oy. Now I have an image of Grampy as an actual sprinkler head. Gotta lay off the Robo-shots!
clintster on 06/04/2008 14:08:33
Quote by Random:
i'm more making fun of McCain imitating a sprinkler head last night.
Oy. Now I have an image of Grampy as an actual sprinkler head. Gotta lay off the Robo-shots!
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2008 14:09:44
WEll that is indeed true. I am not taking any of that away from here. I guess, I think that the SHE shoudl be able to make come of these choices on her own.
If she wants the Majority Position, she should be able to go for it, but it is strange that so many think that soemthing needs to be *done* with her.
Does that make any sense? She will STILL have a senate position when this is all over. I really would love for her to get her supporters together to PLEASE rally around our Nominee. That would go a long way to healing things.
Raine on 06/04/2008 14:09:44
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
Harry REID is NOT great.. He is adequate.
And I am trying to figure out WHY everyone thinks that something needs to be *done* with Hillary.
It's an inartful way of expressing the fact that half the Dem party supports her. She's earned that support - and what her career is in the future will largely dictate how half of the party reacts in the Fall.
If she wants the Majority Position, she should be able to go for it, but it is strange that so many think that soemthing needs to be *done* with her.
Does that make any sense? She will STILL have a senate position when this is all over. I really would love for her to get her supporters together to PLEASE rally around our Nominee. That would go a long way to healing things.
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2008 14:10:25
Raine on 06/04/2008 14:10:25
back to back Shane-0 and DJ!!!
Comment by 
m-hadley on 06/04/2008 14:11:09
m-hadley on 06/04/2008 14:11:09
Mornin' Everybody, :coffee:
The vitamin V kicked me in the head this morning. I did end up adding a post to my blog last night - check it out (I did quote Scoopster). I gotta get a move on, 'cause I'm heading over to OKC today to moderate a panel tomorrow - wish me luck. I just wanna say how much fun it was blogging with you all last night - this blog has it all over the SMS live blog. Sorry ProducerChris - I know that the SMS is your baby, but your baby has stinky diapers! :D
Cheers,
mfaye
The vitamin V kicked me in the head this morning. I did end up adding a post to my blog last night - check it out (I did quote Scoopster). I gotta get a move on, 'cause I'm heading over to OKC today to moderate a panel tomorrow - wish me luck. I just wanna say how much fun it was blogging with you all last night - this blog has it all over the SMS live blog. Sorry ProducerChris - I know that the SMS is your baby, but your baby has stinky diapers! :D
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by livingonli on 06/04/2008 14:13:53
True Dat!
just used us and then he went and set up his own place and it lacks the class of this place
livingonli on 06/04/2008 14:13:53
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
I'm a tad resentful of how much props the Live Blog gets.
"Live Blog....Meh meh meh meh meh...."
same here - I'm feeling like a first born that got replaced with a kid from a second marriage.
:rofl: TOTALLY!
True Dat!
just used us and then he went and set up his own place and it lacks the class of this place
Comment by livingonli on 06/04/2008 14:14:33
livingonli on 06/04/2008 14:14:33
Good morning mfaye. Glad you liked my late night video theater.
Comment by livingonli on 06/04/2008 14:17:02
livingonli on 06/04/2008 14:17:02
Cheney endorsing Obama would be the kiss of death.
Comment by Shane-O on 06/04/2008 14:17:23
I don't much like the term "done" either. It reminds me of putting an ill animal "out to pasture." She has incredible strength - she is my Senator - I will vote for her again should she choose to run.
But in this presidential race, she has earned spoils. That's just politics. I wish there was no quid pro quo, but at least for her supporters, there likely is. And the "quo" is necessary to elect Obama - probably for Clinton herself, but for her supporters.
Shane-O on 06/04/2008 14:17:23
Quote by Raine:WEll that is indeed true. I am not taking any of that away from here. I guess, I think that the SHE shoudl be able to make come of these choices on her own.Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
Harry REID is NOT great.. He is adequate.
And I am trying to figure out WHY everyone thinks that something needs to be *done* with Hillary.
It's an inartful way of expressing the fact that half the Dem party supports her. She's earned that support - and what her career is in the future will largely dictate how half of the party reacts in the Fall.
If she wants the Majority Position, she should be able to go for it, but it is strange that so many think that soemthing needs to be *done* with her.
Does that make any sense? She will STILL have a senate position when this is all over. I really would love for her to get her supporters together to PLEASE rally around our Nominee. That would go a long way to healing things.
I don't much like the term "done" either. It reminds me of putting an ill animal "out to pasture." She has incredible strength - she is my Senator - I will vote for her again should she choose to run.
But in this presidential race, she has earned spoils. That's just politics. I wish there was no quid pro quo, but at least for her supporters, there likely is. And the "quo" is necessary to elect Obama - probably for Clinton herself, but for her supporters.
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2008 14:17:49
Raine on 06/04/2008 14:17:49
PrepH? EEEP! That is singularly the most disgusting thing I have heard.
Comment by Random on 06/04/2008 14:21:20
Random on 06/04/2008 14:21:20
Random torn. Obama speaking now, but...Steph is on...
Comment by livingonli on 06/04/2008 14:28:22
livingonli on 06/04/2008 14:28:22
I am listening to Steph on computer with MSNBC on the TV. I seem to do that alot.
I just hope he won't pander to the Hawkish Israel expansionists at the speech.
I just hope he won't pander to the Hawkish Israel expansionists at the speech.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/04/2008 14:29:46
wickedpam on 06/04/2008 14:29:46
I have to say that Mom is STILL not happy about the Obama Nom. *sigh* Think she's mad cause the MSM is focusing on the whole "color" thing.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/04/2008 14:30:45
Will in Chicago on 06/04/2008 14:30:45
Okay, I have some housework coming up. So, I will be gone for a while.
So, hang in there, bloggers. The road ahead is long and the journey will be hard. But I think we will be glad both for the journey and our destination.
So, hang in there, bloggers. The road ahead is long and the journey will be hard. But I think we will be glad both for the journey and our destination.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/04/2008 14:35:34
I think that there is a difference between supporting Israel and supporting the policies of the Likud and other right wing parties and their supporters.
Both the Israelis and the Palestinians want peace and security. The hardliners on either side have delivered neither.
Sam Seder recently quoted a poll where 64 percent of Israelis support talking directly to Hamas. So, should not U.S. policy in the region respect the wishes of the majority of Israelis and Palestinians?
Contrary to what some of McCain's supporters claim, no U.S. president will throw Israel to the wolves. However, I do think Obama should make negotiating a peace settlement a high priority. This may be a good way to put Bill Clinton to use in his administration. At least he can tell the difference between a loofah and a falafel, unlike some hosts at Faux Noise.
Will in Chicago on 06/04/2008 14:35:34
Quote by livingonli:
I am listening to Steph on computer with MSNBC on the TV. I seem to do that alot.
I just hope he won't pander to the Hawkish Israel expansionists at the speech.
I think that there is a difference between supporting Israel and supporting the policies of the Likud and other right wing parties and their supporters.
Both the Israelis and the Palestinians want peace and security. The hardliners on either side have delivered neither.
Sam Seder recently quoted a poll where 64 percent of Israelis support talking directly to Hamas. So, should not U.S. policy in the region respect the wishes of the majority of Israelis and Palestinians?
Contrary to what some of McCain's supporters claim, no U.S. president will throw Israel to the wolves. However, I do think Obama should make negotiating a peace settlement a high priority. This may be a good way to put Bill Clinton to use in his administration. At least he can tell the difference between a loofah and a falafel, unlike some hosts at Faux Noise.
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2008 14:38:07
Raine on 06/04/2008 14:38:07
It's the antitheses if TODAY's feminism.
I think we have a generational Gap when it comes to feminism, and it is shown to me time and time again with people like this caller.
I think we have a generational Gap when it comes to feminism, and it is shown to me time and time again with people like this caller.