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Spreading hate: Monday Edition.
Author: Raine    Date: 05/04/2015 13:25:41

I went to bed last night trying to wrap my head around the events yesterday in Garland, Texas.
Harn said it was not immediately clear whether the shooting was connected to the event inside, a contest hosted by the New York-based American Freedom Defense Initiative that would award $10,000 for the best cartoon depicting the Prophet Muhammad.

Such drawings are deemed insulting to many followers of Islam and have sparked violence around the world. According to mainstream Islamic tradition, any physical depiction of the Prophet Muhammad — even a respectful one — is considered blasphemous. (snip)

The event featured speeches by Pamela Geller, president of the AFDI, and Geert Wilders, a Dutch lawmaker known for his outspoken criticism of Islam. Wilders received several standing ovations as he quoted former President Ronald Reagan and Texas founding father Sam Houston.


One of the suspects in the shooting is dead.
One of the suspects in the shooting in Garland, Texas, late Sunday has been identified as Elton Simpson, an Arizona man who was previously the subject of a terror investigation, according to a senior FBI official.

Overnight and today FBI agents and a bomb squad were at Simpson's home in an apartment complex in north Phoenix where a robot is believed to be conducting an initial search of the apartment.

Officials believe Simpson is the person who sent out several Twitter messages prior to the attack on Sunday, in the last one using the hashtag #TexasAttack about half an hour before the shooting.


Extremists appear to have gotten what they wanted: more martyrs. Islamaphobes hold a cartoon drawing convention — paying $50K in security to award people $10K for first prize — and now they are shocked that extremists targeted them. Pamella Geller showed up on CNN claiming that she was a victim.
The conversation devolved into whether Geller had ever called Muslims “savages,” which she said she had done once in her life. She argued she criticized only Muslims who kill over their beliefs. “I am anti-jihad, I am anti-Sharia,” Geller said. “You, by spaying I paint with a broad brush, are saying all Muslims support jihad. Alisyn you sound very Islamaphobic.” It was that type of segment.

“The fact that we have to spend upwards of $50,000 in security speaks to how dangerous and how in trouble freedom of speech is in this country,” Geller said. “And then we have to get on these news shows, and somehow we are, those that are targeted, those that were going to be slaughtered, are the ones who get attacked speaks to how morally inverted this conversation is.”

“This is not an attack,” Camerota replied, pointing out that they were at that moment having the exact conversation over speech and piety Geller had been calling for.


Extremism breeds extremism. It's cause and effect. This was why Geller held the event in Garland Texas:
When a Chicago-based nonprofit held a January fundraiser in Garland designed to help Muslims combat negative depictions of their faith, Geller spearheaded about 1,000 picketers at the event. One chanted: "Go back to your own countries! We don't want you here!" Others held signs with messages such as, "Insult those who behead others," an apparent reference to recent beheadings by the militant group Islamic State.


Poke a hive long enough and the wasps will swarm. While Geller may claim this was about her freedom of speech, she was inciting hate. Gasoline - meet fire.

and
Raine
 

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Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 13:37:46
Hola.

Comment by wickedpam on 05/04/2015 13:41:11
Morning


This is the thing that endless pisses me off about those screaming about their freedom of speech - they forget others have the same freedom and they're might be push back. Granted not violent push back.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 05/04/2015 13:55:50
Too bad this hateful bitch didn't get caught in the crossfire.

Comment by BobR on 05/04/2015 13:58:04
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning

This is the thing that endless pisses me off about those screaming about their freedom of speech - they forget others have the same freedom and they're might be push back. Granted not violent push back.

What they miss is

1) Denial of freedom of speech is strictly from the government

2) Freedom of speech comes with consequences

Comment by Scoopster on 05/04/2015 13:59:43
Mornin' all!

Comment by wickedpam on 05/04/2015 14:06:44
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning

This is the thing that endless pisses me off about those screaming about their freedom of speech - they forget others have the same freedom and they're might be push back. Granted not violent push back.

What they miss is

1) Denial of freedom of speech is strictly from the government

2) Freedom of speech comes with consequences



Exactly.


Comment by BobR on 05/04/2015 14:09:43
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning

This is the thing that endless pisses me off about those screaming about their freedom of speech - they forget others have the same freedom and they're might be push back. Granted not violent push back.

What they miss is

1) Denial of freedom of speech is strictly from the government

2) Freedom of speech comes with consequences

Exactly.

The other thing is that when Charlie Hebdo was doing cartoons, they were doing so in a journalistic context of satire, and they skewered everybody - not just Muslims. They were also aware of the realities of the consequences of their actions, and paid the ultimate price.

These douchebags are just being deliberately hateful to get a reaction, and then scream when the expected and desired reaction occurs.

Comment by TriSec on 05/04/2015 14:15:35
Greetings comrades! As I noted yesterday, I'm pulling papers for school committee later this week. I hope to have a local press release lined up.

We're getting another superintendent (6th in 10 years), and they inexplicably fired the middle school principal...after she fixed some bullying problems, got test scores up, and improved parent outreach an general morale. There's revolution in thd air...and so far none of the incumbents have any challengers.

Comment by Raine on 05/04/2015 14:21:21
One thing I am very curious about, regarding the first amendment and the church and state thing regarding this shooting…
The Curtis Culwell Center, a school-district owned public events space, was evacuated earlier Sunday, as were some surrounding businesses.
the school district can host an event to basically shit on religion — is that a bit of a blurred line of the separations?

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 14:37:52
Quote by Raine:
One thing I am very curious about, regarding the first amendment and the church and state thing regarding this shooting…
The Curtis Culwell Center, a school-district owned public events space, was evacuated earlier Sunday, as were some surrounding businesses.
the school district can host an event to basically shit on religion — is that a bit of a blurred line of the separations?



Because, Texas. I'm sure there is more nuanced way to express the thought, but it is eluding me at the moment.

Comment by Raine on 05/04/2015 14:52:53
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
One thing I am very curious about, regarding the first amendment and the church and state thing regarding this shooting…
The Curtis Culwell Center, a school-district owned public events space, was evacuated earlier Sunday, as were some surrounding businesses.
the school district can host an event to basically shit on religion — is that a bit of a blurred line of the separations?



Because, Texas. I'm sure there is more nuanced way to express the thought, but it is eluding me at the moment.
same here.


Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 15:04:45
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
One thing I am very curious about, regarding the first amendment and the church and state thing regarding this shooting…
The Curtis Culwell Center, a school-district owned public events space, was evacuated earlier Sunday, as were some surrounding businesses.
the school district can host an event to basically shit on religion — is that a bit of a blurred line of the separations?



Because, Texas. I'm sure there is more nuanced way to express the thought, but it is eluding me at the moment.
same here.



So, how about those Met?

Or more aptly, how about that "fight of the century?"

Comment by BobR on 05/04/2015 15:07:52
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
One thing I am very curious about, regarding the first amendment and the church and state thing regarding this shooting…
The Curtis Culwell Center, a school-district owned public events space, was evacuated earlier Sunday, as were some surrounding businesses.
the school district can host an event to basically shit on religion — is that a bit of a blurred line of the separations?



Because, Texas. I'm sure there is more nuanced way to express the thought, but it is eluding me at the moment.
same here.

So, how about those Met?

Or more aptly, how about that "fight of the century?"

What did I miss?

Comment by TriSec on 05/04/2015 15:12:45
Manny wuz robbed.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 15:15:02
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
One thing I am very curious about, regarding the first amendment and the church and state thing regarding this shooting…
The Curtis Culwell Center, a school-district owned public events space, was evacuated earlier Sunday, as were some surrounding businesses.
the school district can host an event to basically shit on religion — is that a bit of a blurred line of the separations?



Because, Texas. I'm sure there is more nuanced way to express the thought, but it is eluding me at the moment.
same here.

So, how about those Met?

Or more aptly, how about that "fight of the century?"

What did I miss?



What Mr I Don't Use the Quote Feature Said.

Comment by Raine on 05/04/2015 15:31:13
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
One thing I am very curious about, regarding the first amendment and the church and state thing regarding this shooting…
The Curtis Culwell Center, a school-district owned public events space, was evacuated earlier Sunday, as were some surrounding businesses.
the school district can host an event to basically shit on religion — is that a bit of a blurred line of the separations?



Because, Texas. I'm sure there is more nuanced way to express the thought, but it is eluding me at the moment.
same here.

So, how about those Met?

Or more aptly, how about that "fight of the century?"

What did I miss?



What Mr I Don't Use the Quote Feature Said.
bah. fight shmite.


Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 15:38:48
Carly Fiorina is not a real candidate for president. Real candidates make sure they lock down those domain names first. Did your people make sure to get Carlyfiorina,net, .com, etc?

Comment by Raine on 05/04/2015 15:40:12
CarlyFiorina.org highlights 30,000 HP Layoffs With Sad Faces:



Comment by Raine on 05/04/2015 15:41:35
Comment by Raine on 05/04/2015 15:41:57
Quote by Mondobubba:
Carly Fiorina is not a real candidate for president. Real candidates make sure they lock down those domain names first. Did your people make sure to get Carlyfiorina,net, .com, etc?



Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 15:43:30
Quote by Raine:
CarlyFiorina.org highlights 30,000 HP Layoffs With Sad Faces:




I love the 30K's worth of sad faces.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 15:44:11
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Carly Fiorina is not a real candidate for president. Real candidates make sure they lock down those domain names first. Did your people make sure to get Carlyfiorina,net, .com, etc?






Comment by BobR on 05/04/2015 15:44:28
Quote by Mondobubba:
Carly Fiorina is not a real candidate for president. Real candidates make sure they lock down those domain names first. Did your people make sure to get Carlyfiorina,net, .com, etc?

Ben Carson declared as well.

One more clown for the car....

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 15:47:06
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Carly Fiorina is not a real candidate for president. Real candidates make sure they lock down those domain names first. Did your people make sure to get Carlyfiorina,net, .com, etc?

Ben Carson declared as well.

One more clown for the car....





Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 15:49:04
On a lighter note, ScarJo and SNL skewer Marvel Studio's lack of female superhero movies.






Comment by wickedpam on 05/04/2015 15:54:02
Quote by Mondobubba:
On a lighter note, ScarJo and SNL skewer Marvel Studio's lack of female superhero movies.









Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 16:07:31
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
On a lighter note, ScarJo and SNL skewer Marvel Studio's lack of female superhero movies.










Thor as the cliched gay roommate.

Comment by wickedpam on 05/04/2015 16:45:30
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
On a lighter note, ScarJo and SNL skewer Marvel Studio's lack of female superhero movies.










Thor as the cliched gay roommate.



It was more that Hollywood would think that this is how a female superhero movie would work. Hollywood often excuse's the lack of them as "too hard to tell" or the origins are too complex. Really? More complex then being sent by way of escape pod as a baby to another planet or parents being killed in an alley? Hollywood would really think the only way to sell a female superhero is to make it a romantic comedy, cause that's what chicks like, right

Comment by livingonli on 05/04/2015 17:20:41
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
On a lighter note, ScarJo and SNL skewer Marvel Studio's lack of female superhero movies.










Thor as the cliched gay roommate.



It was more that Hollywood would think that this is how a female superhero movie would work. Hollywood often excuse's the lack of them as "too hard to tell" or the origins are too complex. Really? More complex then being sent by way of escape pod as a baby to another planet or parents being killed in an alley? Hollywood would really think the only way to sell a female superhero is to make it a romantic comedy, cause that's what chicks like, right

There still trying to find a director for the Wonder Woman movie as part of the set-up for the whole DC Cinematic Universe.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 17:48:06
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
On a lighter note, ScarJo and SNL skewer Marvel Studio's lack of female superhero movies.










Thor as the cliched gay roommate.



It was more that Hollywood would think that this is how a female superhero movie would work. Hollywood often excuse's the lack of them as "too hard to tell" or the origins are too complex. Really? More complex then being sent by way of escape pod as a baby to another planet or parents being killed in an alley? Hollywood would really think the only way to sell a female superhero is to make it a romantic comedy, cause that's what chicks like, right



Now, Mala, don't you worry your pretty head with stuff like that. The men who green light movies for girls know what they are doing.

Comment by wickedpam on 05/04/2015 17:50:18
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
On a lighter note, ScarJo and SNL skewer Marvel Studio's lack of female superhero movies.










Thor as the cliched gay roommate.



It was more that Hollywood would think that this is how a female superhero movie would work. Hollywood often excuse's the lack of them as "too hard to tell" or the origins are too complex. Really? More complex then being sent by way of escape pod as a baby to another planet or parents being killed in an alley? Hollywood would really think the only way to sell a female superhero is to make it a romantic comedy, cause that's what chicks like, right

There still trying to find a director for the Wonder Woman movie as part of the set-up for the whole DC Cinematic Universe.



Which is ridiculous. They got ones all those bad Spiderman movies.

Comment by wickedpam on 05/04/2015 17:51:03
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
On a lighter note, ScarJo and SNL skewer Marvel Studio's lack of female superhero movies.










Thor as the cliched gay roommate.



It was more that Hollywood would think that this is how a female superhero movie would work. Hollywood often excuse's the lack of them as "too hard to tell" or the origins are too complex. Really? More complex then being sent by way of escape pod as a baby to another planet or parents being killed in an alley? Hollywood would really think the only way to sell a female superhero is to make it a romantic comedy, cause that's what chicks like, right



Now, Mala, don't you worry your pretty head with stuff like that. The men who green light movies for girls know what they are doing.




Sure they do.

Comment by livingonli on 05/04/2015 17:54:57
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
On a lighter note, ScarJo and SNL skewer Marvel Studio's lack of female superhero movies.










Thor as the cliched gay roommate.



It was more that Hollywood would think that this is how a female superhero movie would work. Hollywood often excuse's the lack of them as "too hard to tell" or the origins are too complex. Really? More complex then being sent by way of escape pod as a baby to another planet or parents being killed in an alley? Hollywood would really think the only way to sell a female superhero is to make it a romantic comedy, cause that's what chicks like, right

There still trying to find a director for the Wonder Woman movie as part of the set-up for the whole DC Cinematic Universe.



Which is ridiculous. They got ones all those bad Spiderman movies.

DC's got a me-too attitude since Marvel's been so successful (well, we won't talk about the decline of the Spider-Man franchise after the first two). Although they may not have a clue as to why Guardians of the Galaxy did so much better than the 2011 Green Lantern film.

Comment by wickedpam on 05/04/2015 18:09:07
Liv - never saw that Green Lantern movie - honestly, I never really knew much about the Lantern's

Wonder Woman is a known character for many years, even had a pretty successful tv show with the awesome Lynda Carter. That they seem to be purposely skipping over her to make MORE male superhero movies pisses me off. Superman has been done to death, never really liked him. Batman - love the new take with Gotham but how many movies do we have for Batman. And how many Spiderman reboots are there going to be?



Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 18:17:05
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
On a lighter note, ScarJo and SNL skewer Marvel Studio's lack of female superhero movies.










Thor as the cliched gay roommate.



It was more that Hollywood would think that this is how a female superhero movie would work. Hollywood often excuse's the lack of them as "too hard to tell" or the origins are too complex. Really? More complex then being sent by way of escape pod as a baby to another planet or parents being killed in an alley? Hollywood would really think the only way to sell a female superhero is to make it a romantic comedy, cause that's what chicks like, right

There still trying to find a director for the Wonder Woman movie as part of the set-up for the whole DC Cinematic Universe.



Which is ridiculous. They got ones all those bad Spiderman movies.

DC's got a me-too attitude since Marvel's been so successful (well, we won't talk about the decline of the Spider-Man franchise after the first two). Although they may not have a clue as to why Guardians of the Galaxy did so much better than the 2011 Green Lantern film.



Because Green Lantern was Ryan Reynolds in front of green screen for about 100 minutes?

Comment by livingonli on 05/04/2015 18:19:17
Quote by wickedpam:
Liv - never saw that Green Lantern movie - honestly, I never really knew much about the Lantern's

Wonder Woman is a known character for many years, even had a pretty successful tv show with the awesome Lynda Carter. That they seem to be purposely skipping over her to make MORE male superhero movies pisses me off. Superman has been done to death, never really liked him. Batman - love the new take with Gotham but how many movies do we have for Batman. And how many Spiderman reboots are there going to be?


DC seems to be cutting corners to get to the Justice League movie where Marvel made an effort to develop all the characters before the Avengers film came out and they continue the parallel series until the next Avengers film with the only possible issue being how long Robert Downey Jr. will continue to play Iron Man.

Comment by wickedpam on 05/04/2015 18:26:05
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by wickedpam:
Liv - never saw that Green Lantern movie - honestly, I never really knew much about the Lantern's

Wonder Woman is a known character for many years, even had a pretty successful tv show with the awesome Lynda Carter. That they seem to be purposely skipping over her to make MORE male superhero movies pisses me off. Superman has been done to death, never really liked him. Batman - love the new take with Gotham but how many movies do we have for Batman. And how many Spiderman reboots are there going to be?


DC seems to be cutting corners to get to the Justice League movie where Marvel made an effort to develop all the characters before the Avengers film came out and they continue the parallel series until the next Avengers film with the only possible issue being how long Robert Downey Jr. will continue to play Iron Man.



Don't think DC should follow Marvel's formula, until the Avengers movies I didn't know any of these characters worked as a team let alone did I know that much about any of them to begin with.

DC, however, should start with the JL movie. These characters have been around for more then 50 years in some cases and we all know what the Justice League is even if we didn't read the comics. It was already established.


Comment by wickedpam on 05/04/2015 18:26:20
Sorry to take this down the geek road

Comment by Scoopster on 05/04/2015 18:28:17
Quote by wickedpam:
Sorry to take this down the geek road

Hey, I tried to break the c-c-c-ombo.

Comment by wickedpam on 05/04/2015 18:28:33
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning

This is the thing that endless pisses me off about those screaming about their freedom of speech - they forget others have the same freedom and they're might be push back. Granted not violent push back.

What they miss is

1) Denial of freedom of speech is strictly from the government

2) Freedom of speech comes with consequences

Exactly.

The other thing is that when Charlie Hebdo was doing cartoons, they were doing so in a journalistic context of satire, and they skewered everybody - not just Muslims. They were also aware of the realities of the consequences of their actions, and paid the ultimate price.

These douchebags are just being deliberately hateful to get a reaction, and then scream when the expected and desired reaction occurs.



You're right, Hebdo, albeit appalling, is an equal opportunity offender. These dopes in TX were trying to get a negative response.

Comment by wickedpam on 05/04/2015 18:31:36
Comment by wickedpam on 05/04/2015 18:32:17
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by wickedpam:
Sorry to take this down the geek road

Hey, I tried to break the c-c-c-ombo.


nah, its totally my fault - I really want a Wonder Woman or Black Widow movie

Comment by livingonli on 05/04/2015 18:34:21
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning

This is the thing that endless pisses me off about those screaming about their freedom of speech - they forget others have the same freedom and they're might be push back. Granted not violent push back.

What they miss is

1) Denial of freedom of speech is strictly from the government

2) Freedom of speech comes with consequences

Exactly.

The other thing is that when Charlie Hebdo was doing cartoons, they were doing so in a journalistic context of satire, and they skewered everybody - not just Muslims. They were also aware of the realities of the consequences of their actions, and paid the ultimate price.

These douchebags are just being deliberately hateful to get a reaction, and then scream when the expected and desired reaction occurs.



You're right, Hebdo, albeit appalling, is an equal opportunity offender. These dopes in TX were trying to get a negative response.

Geller's rhetoric on Muslims sounds just like Hitler's rhetoric on Jews and the right gets all sensitive as their ideology gets a lot of closer to Fascism.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 18:36:12



Scott was nicely trolled by the entire internet nicely don't you think?

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 18:36:57
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by wickedpam:
Sorry to take this down the geek road

Hey, I tried to break the c-c-c-ombo.


nah, its totally my fault - I really want a Wonder Woman or Black Widow movie



I would love to see a Wonder Woman movie. She is awesome.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 18:38:57
Quote by wickedpam:
Sorry to take this down the geek road



I was enabling you Mala. So was Liv. We need to take the blame/credit for this:

http://www.schoolbusfleet.com/_Images/news/M-WashingtonCrash2-1.jpg


Comment by wickedpam on 05/04/2015 18:44:50
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Sorry to take this down the geek road



I was enabling you Mala. So was Liv. We need to take the blame/credit for this:

http://www.schoolbusfleet.com/_Images/news/M-WashingtonCrash2-1.jpg



Yes, yes you were

Comment by Raine on 05/04/2015 18:57:05
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 19:23:22



One of the two commissioners was a guy named Ed Norris*. He doesn't have a good relationship with O'Malley. Norris, while he was commissioner went after high-end enforcement and not the broken windows, mass arrest strategy of the NYPD, even though he was a former high ranking member to the NYPD. This is why Norris only lasted a couple of years as the commissioner.





*Fun fact, on "The Wire," Norris played a homicide detective named Ed Norris.

http://www.daggerpress.com/wp-content/uploads/norris2.jpg


Comment by Raine on 05/04/2015 19:32:08
Quote by Mondobubba:



One of the two commissioners was a guy named Ed Norris*. He doesn't have a good relationship with O'Malley. Norris, while he was commissioner went after high-end enforcement and not the broken windows, mass arrest strategy of the NYPD, even though he was a former high ranking member to the NYPD. This is why Norris only lasted a couple of years as the commissioner.





*Fun fact, on "The Wire," Norris played a homicide detective named Ed Norris.

http://www.daggerpress.com/wp-content/uploads/norris2.jpg
Do you think his indictment in 2003 had anything to do with his being released in 2002?

Norris went to federal prison.


Comment by Raine on 05/04/2015 19:38:03
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:



One of the two commissioners was a guy named Ed Norris*. He doesn't have a good relationship with O'Malley. Norris, while he was commissioner went after high-end enforcement and not the broken windows, mass arrest strategy of the NYPD, even though he was a former high ranking member to the NYPD. This is why Norris only lasted a couple of years as the commissioner.





*Fun fact, on "The Wire," Norris played a homicide detective named Ed Norris.

http://www.daggerpress.com/wp-content/uploads/norris2.jpg
Do you think his indictment in 2003 had anything to do with his being released in 2002?

Norris went to federal prison.

I'm not sure why he had such an issue with O'Malley, according to his wiki page (the sources are there) he was fine with CompStat when he was in NYC. I don;t see where he did not use the broken windows policy when he was in Baltimore. do you have a link for that?

Also, Norris is really good friends with the previous governor, Erlcih.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 19:39:41
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:



One of the two commissioners was a guy named Ed Norris*. He doesn't have a good relationship with O'Malley. Norris, while he was commissioner went after high-end enforcement and not the broken windows, mass arrest strategy of the NYPD, even though he was a former high ranking member to the NYPD. This is why Norris only lasted a couple of years as the commissioner.





*Fun fact, on "The Wire," Norris played a homicide detective named Ed Norris.

http://www.daggerpress.com/wp-content/uploads/norris2.jpg
Do you think his inducement in 2003 had anything to do with his being released in 2002?

Norris went to federal prison.



Could be, I am looking at that right now. Baltimore Sun says noe.

Norris pleads not guilty.

Former Maryland State Police Superintendent Edward T. Norris pleaded not guilty in U.S. District Court yesterday to federal charges that he illegally spent about $20,000 in Baltimore police funds when he was the city's top officer to cover personal gifts, meals, trips and extramarital romantic liaisons.


He quit as police commissioner to become superintendent of the Maryland State Police. Appoint by Erlich, the Republican dickward.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 19:42:43
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:



One of the two commissioners was a guy named Ed Norris*. He doesn't have a good relationship with O'Malley. Norris, while he was commissioner went after high-end enforcement and not the broken windows, mass arrest strategy of the NYPD, even though he was a former high ranking member to the NYPD. This is why Norris only lasted a couple of years as the commissioner.





*Fun fact, on "The Wire," Norris played a homicide detective named Ed Norris.

http://www.daggerpress.com/wp-content/uploads/norris2.jpg
Do you think his indictment in 2003 had anything to do with his being released in 2002?

Norris went to federal prison.

I'm not sure why he had such an issue with O'Malley, according to his wiki page (the sources are there) he was fine with CompStat when he was in NYC. I don;t see where he did not use the broken windows policy when he was in Baltimore. do you have a link for that?

Also, Norris is really good friends with the previous governor, Erlcih.



Originally, early in his tenure, O’Malley brought Ed Norris in as commissioner and Ed knew his business. He’d been a criminal investigator and commander in New York and he knew police work. And so, for a time, real crime suppression and good retroactive investigation was emphasized, and for the Baltimore department, it was kind of like a fat man going on a diet. Just leave the French fries on the plate and you lose the first ten pounds. The initial crime reductions in Baltimore under O’Malley were legit and O’Malley deserved some credit.


The bit about Norris was from this article on the Marshall Project website.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 19:45:06
See I can come correct and engage in legit conversation with links 'n' shit.

Comment by Raine on 05/04/2015 19:47:23
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One of the two commissioners was a guy named Ed Norris*. He doesn't have a good relationship with O'Malley. Norris, while he was commissioner went after high-end enforcement and not the broken windows, mass arrest strategy of the NYPD, even though he was a former high ranking member to the NYPD. This is why Norris only lasted a couple of years as the commissioner.





*Fun fact, on "The Wire," Norris played a homicide detective named Ed Norris.

http://www.daggerpress.com/wp-content/uploads/norris2.jpg
Do you think his inducement in 2003 had anything to do with his being released in 2002?

Norris went to federal prison.



Could be, I am looking at that right now. Baltimore Sun says noe.

Norris pleads not guilty.

Former Maryland State Police Superintendent Edward T. Norris pleaded not guilty in U.S. District Court yesterday to federal charges that he illegally spent about $20,000 in Baltimore police funds when he was the city's top officer to cover personal gifts, meals, trips and extramarital romantic liaisons.


He quit as police commissioner to become superintendent of the Maryland State Police. Appoint by Erlich, the Republican dickward.
He plead guilty.


Comment by Raine on 05/04/2015 19:50:36
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One of the two commissioners was a guy named Ed Norris*. He doesn't have a good relationship with O'Malley. Norris, while he was commissioner went after high-end enforcement and not the broken windows, mass arrest strategy of the NYPD, even though he was a former high ranking member to the NYPD. This is why Norris only lasted a couple of years as the commissioner.





*Fun fact, on "The Wire," Norris played a homicide detective named Ed Norris.

http://www.daggerpress.com/wp-content/uploads/norris2.jpg
Do you think his inducement in 2003 had anything to do with his being released in 2002?

Norris went to federal prison.



Could be, I am looking at that right now. Baltimore Sun says noe.

Norris pleads not guilty.

Former Maryland State Police Superintendent Edward T. Norris pleaded not guilty in U.S. District Court yesterday to federal charges that he illegally spent about $20,000 in Baltimore police funds when he was the city's top officer to cover personal gifts, meals, trips and extramarital romantic liaisons.


He quit as police commissioner to become superintendent of the Maryland State Police. Appoint by Erlich, the Republican dickward.
He plead guilty.
spent 6 months in jail. (ETA link.)

So my point is, and I say this with respect, I would;t use Norris as a guy who was noble enough to not use the broken windows policy in Baltimore when he was a part of it in NYC and had no problem with corruption in Maryland.


He's gonna be a bad example for people to use as a reason to go after O'Malley.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 19:55:13
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One of the two commissioners was a guy named Ed Norris*. He doesn't have a good relationship with O'Malley. Norris, while he was commissioner went after high-end enforcement and not the broken windows, mass arrest strategy of the NYPD, even though he was a former high ranking member to the NYPD. This is why Norris only lasted a couple of years as the commissioner.





*Fun fact, on "The Wire," Norris played a homicide detective named Ed Norris.

http://www.daggerpress.com/wp-content/uploads/norris2.jpg
Do you think his inducement in 2003 had anything to do with his being released in 2002?

Norris went to federal prison.



Could be, I am looking at that right now. Baltimore Sun says noe.

Norris pleads not guilty.

Former Maryland State Police Superintendent Edward T. Norris pleaded not guilty in U.S. District Court yesterday to federal charges that he illegally spent about $20,000 in Baltimore police funds when he was the city's top officer to cover personal gifts, meals, trips and extramarital romantic liaisons.


He quit as police commissioner to become superintendent of the Maryland State Police. Appoint by Erlich, the Republican dickward.
He plead guilty.
spent 6 months in jail. (ETA link.)

So my point is, and I say this with respect, I would;t use Norris as a guy who was noble enough to not use the broken windows policy in Baltimore when he was a part of it in NYC and had no problem with corruption in Maryland.


He's gonna be a bad example for people to use as a reason to go after O'Malley.



I was never saying he was noble, I was saying he didn't buy into mass arresting a city's population in the name of safety. I think Norris is preening jerk who thought he could get away with some really skeevy crap.

I totally agree he is a poor surrogate to attack O'Malley with. O'Malley's record on public safety while he was mayor of Baltimore, would be a poor choice for law and order Republicans to try beat on O'Malley. It would make any Republican look like a total hypocrite.

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 20:07:53
As you might have gathered, I am really interested in street level enforcement strategies employed by police.

Comment by Raine on 05/04/2015 20:09:09
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I was never saying he was noble, I was saying he didn't buy into mass arresting a city's population in the name of safety. I think Norris is preening jerk who thought he could get away with some really skeevy crap.
The problem is, when he was working in NYC, he was promoted by Bill Bratton — appointed by Giuliani. Norris was at every compstat meeting when he promoted to do so.

He never balked at the policy then. If Simon thinks he is worthy of discussion, fine, I am saying this guy was willing to go along with anything that was expedient for him. You know I like Simon, but I am also willing to challenge people I generally agree with.

I kinda got the feeling you (and Simon) are suggesting that his unwillingness to support *broken* windows policies are what led to his dismissal. I am not sure without further verification that he was relieved of duty because he disagreed with O'Malley.

I am more inclined to believe that a year prior to his indicment people knew he was taking money that he should not be taking.

Either way, the point of the article is really good.

O'Malley is not backing away from the history but trying to explain it in the frame of how things were at the time.



Comment by Mondobubba on 05/04/2015 20:28:33
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I was never saying he was noble, I was saying he didn't buy into mass arresting a city's population in the name of safety. I think Norris is preening jerk who thought he could get away with some really skeevy crap.
The problem is, when he was working in NYC, he was promoted by Bill Bratton — appointed by Giuliani. Norris was at every compstat meeting when he promoted to do so.

He never balked at the policy then. If Simon thinks he is worthy of discussion, fine, I am saying this guy was willing to go along with anything that was expedient for him. You know I like Simon, but I am also willing to challenge people I generally agree with.

I kinda got the feeling you (and Simon) are suggesting that his unwillingness to support *broken* windows policies are what led to his dismissal. I am not sure without further verification that he was relieved of duty because he disagreed with O'Malley.

I am more inclined to believe that a year prior to his indicment people knew he was taking money that he should not be taking.

Either way, the point of the article is really good.

O'Malley is not backing away from the history but trying to explain it in the frame of how things were at the time.



I agree, O'Malley has been really good with his messaging. It is one of his strong suits. I would vote for him. He's bright, he is figuring out how to be engaging, he has staked out some positions that put him to the left of HRC. I think he was a hell of a governor. Maryland did well when he was in Annapolis.

Comment by Raine on 05/04/2015 20:55:15
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I was never saying he was noble, I was saying he didn't buy into mass arresting a city's population in the name of safety. I think Norris is preening jerk who thought he could get away with some really skeevy crap.
The problem is, when he was working in NYC, he was promoted by Bill Bratton — appointed by Giuliani. Norris was at every compstat meeting when he promoted to do so.

He never balked at the policy then. If Simon thinks he is worthy of discussion, fine, I am saying this guy was willing to go along with anything that was expedient for him. You know I like Simon, but I am also willing to challenge people I generally agree with.

I kinda got the feeling you (and Simon) are suggesting that his unwillingness to support *broken* windows policies are what led to his dismissal. I am not sure without further verification that he was relieved of duty because he disagreed with O'Malley.

I am more inclined to believe that a year prior to his indicment people knew he was taking money that he should not be taking.

Either way, the point of the article is really good.

O'Malley is not backing away from the history but trying to explain it in the frame of how things were at the time.



I agree, O'Malley has been really good with his messaging. It is one of his strong suits. I would vote for him. He's bright, he is figuring out how to be engaging, he has staked out some positions that put him to the left of HRC. I think he was a hell of a governor. Maryland did well when he was in Annapolis.
I like being able to bounce these issues off of you, Mondo.

Right now I am not feeling the clinton campaign. I don't despise her, and would be more than willing to vote for her.

And Bernie, well, Bernie — he a rock star in my political world. So I am really looking at O'Malley as another choice. I don;t want us as dens to be with NO choice and I certainly do not want a GOP person in office.



Comment by Scoopster on 05/04/2015 22:22:01
My my, you've been busy this afternoon!


So have I.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 05/04/2015 23:02:20
Hi, everyone!! I hope that everyone is doing well.

I am busy with work and job hunting. I have a few potential leads.

As for Pamela Gellar, I feel that she is a hate merchant. While the reaction of the alleged shooters was wrong, mocking a faith was hateful.

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