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The Ugliness of the McCampaign
Author: BobR
Date: 06/25/2008 12:19:39
With the conventions still two months away, the campaign season is already in full swing. Both candidates have vowed to run a clean campaign. Whether they will remains to be seen; whether they have is open for interpretation. For the groups and high-profile individuals who support the candidates, it's business as usual. Here's a sampling of some of the less savory items out there...
First up we have Laura Ingraham on FAUX News. I was at a place that had the TV tuned to that wretched station and the sound turned down. I saw this graphic on the screen:
I didn't need to hear the audio to know what she was trying to do. Actually, that may be the intent of those that design the graphics for FAUX News. They know that their show may be on TVs and bars and gyms where the sound is not turned up. A patron's quick glance would capture the picture of Kim Jong Il and the words "Obama Supporter", and that would be imprinted on their subconscious.
Next up we have our favorite religious nutjob the Rev. Dobson, saying that Obama is distorting the Bible and pushing a "fruitcake interpretation" of the Constitution:
So the Old Testament doesn't apply anymore, Mr. Dobson? Does that include what the Old Testament says about gays? I don't remember Jesus saying anything about dietary codes, but I do remember him saying things about helping those less fortunate and not being judgemental. Frederick Clarkson has a very good take on Dobson's credibility, re: religious and Constitutional interpretation.
Moving on, author David Freddoso - responsible for the smearboat book "Unfit for Command" which attacked John Kerry - is releasing a book with a similar intention aimed at Obama called "The Case Against Barack Obama":
As I questioned previously on the 4F message forum, will he be doing a book providing similar scrutiny of McCain?... Don't we deserve the same "clear and honest view" of him as well?... I'm not holding my breath for that.
So let us compare and contrast... In the news yesterday was Tran Trong Duyet, the man who actually held John McCain captive during the Viet Nam war. He claims that McCain wasn't tortured while under his care, and that he actually liked McCain, they struck up a friendship, and he supports McCain for president. Will we see that splashed in a graphic in the MSM? I doubt it.
His comments raise the question was John McCain really tortured (beyond the initial 3 or 4 days)? If not, why did he release so many tapes critical of the west? That question has been asked in an online column by Douglas Valentine:
This column raises some questions and makes some pointed commentary. Those that support McCain would have a fair argument that it's a smear because there is little hard evidence. The comments by Mr. Duyet, however would certainly seem to corroborate some of it, if you think he's believable. Still - this isn't coming from a major religious leader, a major news network, or a best-selling author.
That - I think - makes all the difference.
First up we have Laura Ingraham on FAUX News. I was at a place that had the TV tuned to that wretched station and the sound turned down. I saw this graphic on the screen:
I didn't need to hear the audio to know what she was trying to do. Actually, that may be the intent of those that design the graphics for FAUX News. They know that their show may be on TVs and bars and gyms where the sound is not turned up. A patron's quick glance would capture the picture of Kim Jong Il and the words "Obama Supporter", and that would be imprinted on their subconscious.
Next up we have our favorite religious nutjob the Rev. Dobson, saying that Obama is distorting the Bible and pushing a "fruitcake interpretation" of the Constitution:
"Even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools?" Obama said. "Would we go with James Dobson's or Al Sharpton's?" referring to the civil rights leader.
Dobson took aim at examples Obama cited in asking which Biblical passages should guide public policy — chapters like Leviticus, which Obama said suggests slavery is OK and eating shellfish is an abomination, or Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, "a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application."
"Folks haven't been reading their Bibles," Obama said.
Dobson and Minnery accused Obama of wrongly equating Old Testament texts and dietary codes that no longer apply to Jesus' teachings in the New Testament.
So the Old Testament doesn't apply anymore, Mr. Dobson? Does that include what the Old Testament says about gays? I don't remember Jesus saying anything about dietary codes, but I do remember him saying things about helping those less fortunate and not being judgemental. Frederick Clarkson has a very good take on Dobson's credibility, re: religious and Constitutional interpretation.
Moving on, author David Freddoso - responsible for the smearboat book "Unfit for Command" which attacked John Kerry - is releasing a book with a similar intention aimed at Obama called "The Case Against Barack Obama":
Conservative journalist David Freddoso’s “The Case Against Barack Obama” will offer “a comprehensive, factual look at Obama,” according to Regnery Publishing president and publisher Marjory Ross.
But the book’s subtitle makes clear its perspective: “The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda of the Media’s Favorite Candidate.”
Ross contends that the mainstream media has offered insufficient scrutiny of Obama and likens the goal of Freddoso’s book to that of “Unfit for Command,” the scathing assessment of Kerry’s war record that rocketed to No. 1 on The New York Times best-seller list.
By highlighting negative aspects of Obama’s record and background, Ross says, Freddoso may compel others to offer more critical coverage of the Democratic nominee.
“I think it’s critically important that the country gets a clear and honest view of who is running and what they stand for — warts and all,” Ross says. “With ‘Unfit for Command,’ like ‘The Case against Barack Obama,’ we believe the media has whitewashed the candidate.”
As I questioned previously on the 4F message forum, will he be doing a book providing similar scrutiny of McCain?... Don't we deserve the same "clear and honest view" of him as well?... I'm not holding my breath for that.
So let us compare and contrast... In the news yesterday was Tran Trong Duyet, the man who actually held John McCain captive during the Viet Nam war. He claims that McCain wasn't tortured while under his care, and that he actually liked McCain, they struck up a friendship, and he supports McCain for president. Will we see that splashed in a graphic in the MSM? I doubt it.
His comments raise the question was John McCain really tortured (beyond the initial 3 or 4 days)? If not, why did he release so many tapes critical of the west? That question has been asked in an online column by Douglas Valentine:
McCain, in his carefully prepared statements, claims he was tortured while in solitary confinement, and that is why he signed a confession saying, “I am a black criminal and I have performed the deeds of an air pirate. I almost died and the Vietnamese people saved my life, thanks to the doctors.”
However, on March 25, 1999, two of his fellow POWs, Ted Guy and Gordon "Swede" Larson told the Phoenix New Times that, while they could not guarantee that McCain was not physically harmed, they doubted it.
As Larson said, "My only contention with the McCain deal is that while he was at The Plantation, to the best of my knowledge and Ted's knowledge, he was not physically abused in any way. No one was in that camp. It was the camp that people were released from."
This column raises some questions and makes some pointed commentary. Those that support McCain would have a fair argument that it's a smear because there is little hard evidence. The comments by Mr. Duyet, however would certainly seem to corroborate some of it, if you think he's believable. Still - this isn't coming from a major religious leader, a major news network, or a best-selling author.
That - I think - makes all the difference.
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Comment by 
m-hadley on 06/25/2008 12:37:01
m-hadley on 06/25/2008 12:37:01
Excellent Post BobR,
I think that McSame's campaign will be about as clean as a fast food dumpster at closing time (groooosssss :P). I just wish the MSM would tackle a few of these descrepencies that you've pointed out and investigate them with the same vigor they have reserved for the Obama/Muslim/Madrasa stories. BTB, I added a new post over on my blog talking abit about the politicization of the DOJ. More fun and games :rage:
Cheers,
mfaye
:heart:
I think that McSame's campaign will be about as clean as a fast food dumpster at closing time (groooosssss :P). I just wish the MSM would tackle a few of these descrepencies that you've pointed out and investigate them with the same vigor they have reserved for the Obama/Muslim/Madrasa stories. BTB, I added a new post over on my blog talking abit about the politicization of the DOJ. More fun and games :rage:
Cheers,
mfaye
:heart:
Comment by 
Scoopster on 06/25/2008 12:40:45
Scoopster on 06/25/2008 12:40:45
I don't usually wish physical harm on another person.. but there are a few exceptions to the rule. I've now added Laura Ingraham to the list - If I ever meet her, imma punch her right in her grill.
But I digress.. hey look storm pics from yesterday!
And a bonus prize goes to the person who can name this historical baseball field:
But I digress.. hey look storm pics from yesterday!
And a bonus prize goes to the person who can name this historical baseball field:
Comment by Scoopster on 06/25/2008 13:20:41
Scoopster on 06/25/2008 13:20:41
Someone get the bloggie some coffee STAT! :coffee:
Comment by 
BobR on 06/25/2008 13:21:50
BobR on 06/25/2008 13:21:50
woah Scoop - that second picture has "tornado" written all over it...
Comment by 
Raine on 06/25/2008 13:26:08
Raine on 06/25/2008 13:26:08
Good morning.
Wow, scoop. those pictures are stunning.
Wow, scoop. those pictures are stunning.
Comment by 
Random on 06/25/2008 13:27:04
Random on 06/25/2008 13:27:04
Random has returned.
Comment by 
TriSec on 06/25/2008 13:29:28
TriSec on 06/25/2008 13:29:28
Morning, folks! Your Loyal TriSec got some of the same weather as Scoop yesterday. (no photos, though.) Fenway Park, too...they showed some footage later in the game.
I was standing outside watching the squall line come up....it was actually stunning to see how quickly it was moving. Had to run around and close all the windows, too...at one point it was almost like a hose was squirting through the windows. Yeesh.
I was standing outside watching the squall line come up....it was actually stunning to see how quickly it was moving. Had to run around and close all the windows, too...at one point it was almost like a hose was squirting through the windows. Yeesh.
Comment by Scoopster on 06/25/2008 13:37:39
I seriously thought we were gonna get some twisting action from the last set of storms that came through about 6-6:30 last night.. I had a good view of 'em 'cause I went with the folks from work to a social function in Providence - had 18th floor view of the clouds and it was a-mazing. Wish I had a camera with me so I coulda taken some shots of my own. (these are from the local news channel's blog)
Scoopster on 06/25/2008 13:37:39
Quote by BobR:
woah Scoop - that second picture has "tornado" written all over it...
I seriously thought we were gonna get some twisting action from the last set of storms that came through about 6-6:30 last night.. I had a good view of 'em 'cause I went with the folks from work to a social function in Providence - had 18th floor view of the clouds and it was a-mazing. Wish I had a camera with me so I coulda taken some shots of my own. (these are from the local news channel's blog)
Comment by 
starling310 on 06/25/2008 13:38:06
starling310 on 06/25/2008 13:38:06
Morning Y'all!
Scoop! Those pictures are insane!
My cat, Farley, has developed a stank eye ------->
Not sure what that's aboot! :shrug:
Scoop! Those pictures are insane!
My cat, Farley, has developed a stank eye ------->
Not sure what that's aboot! :shrug:
Comment by starling310 on 06/25/2008 13:38:59
Wait Scoop! Are you still in CT?
starling310 on 06/25/2008 13:38:59
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by BobR:
woah Scoop - that second picture has "tornado" written all over it...
I seriously thought we were gonna get some twisting action from the last set of storms that came through about 6-6:30 last night.. I had a good view of 'em 'cause I went with the folks from work to a social function in Providence - had 18th floor view of the clouds and it was a-mazing. Wish I had a camera with me so I coulda taken some shots of my own. (these are from the local news channel's blog)
Wait Scoop! Are you still in CT?
Comment by Scoopster on 06/25/2008 13:43:27
Nope I'm back in RI.. was just visiting mom in Hartford this past weekend.
Scoopster on 06/25/2008 13:43:27
Quote by starling310:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by BobR:
woah Scoop - that second picture has "tornado" written all over it...
I seriously thought we were gonna get some twisting action from the last set of storms that came through about 6-6:30 last night.. I had a good view of 'em 'cause I went with the folks from work to a social function in Providence - had 18th floor view of the clouds and it was a-mazing. Wish I had a camera with me so I coulda taken some shots of my own. (these are from the local news channel's blog)
Wait Scoop! Are you still in CT?
Nope I'm back in RI.. was just visiting mom in Hartford this past weekend.
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2008 13:45:51
Raine on 06/25/2008 13:45:51
Uh oh. BobDylan is one of Obama's fave musician's, whatever will Momma do!
ME, I swooning over the fact that he has Blood on the tracks in his Ipod! Obama has great taste in Music! :clap:
ME, I swooning over the fact that he has Blood on the tracks in his Ipod! Obama has great taste in Music! :clap:
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2008 13:47:56
I didn't realize how nasty those storms were. I am glad you and scoop were alright! whew.
Raine on 06/25/2008 13:47:56
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, folks! Your Loyal TriSec got some of the same weather as Scoop yesterday. (no photos, though.) Fenway Park, too...they showed some footage later in the game.
I was standing outside watching the squall line come up....it was actually stunning to see how quickly it was moving. Had to run around and close all the windows, too...at one point it was almost like a hose was squirting through the windows. Yeesh.
Comment by starling310 on 06/25/2008 13:48:43
starling310 on 06/25/2008 13:48:43
Speaking of taking something awful and turning it into something positive. . .
This show, The Exonerated just came to my area. I missed the opportunity to see it, but a good friend went and said it was amazing!!
It's about people that were mistakenly committed of crimes and spent time in prison for it. . . one guy was in prison 18 years based on an Eyewitness account. Scary stuff.
They had talk backs after the show and statistics were given that the United States believes 5% of people in Prison are innocent. The woman said it probably was more around 10%, because of course the Government would down play it, and that equates to about 50,000 people. . . innocently convicted and serving time.
This show, The Exonerated just came to my area. I missed the opportunity to see it, but a good friend went and said it was amazing!!
It's about people that were mistakenly committed of crimes and spent time in prison for it. . . one guy was in prison 18 years based on an Eyewitness account. Scary stuff.
They had talk backs after the show and statistics were given that the United States believes 5% of people in Prison are innocent. The woman said it probably was more around 10%, because of course the Government would down play it, and that equates to about 50,000 people. . . innocently convicted and serving time.
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2008 13:48:43
Welcome back Random!
Raine on 06/25/2008 13:48:43
Quote by Random:
Random has returned.
Comment by starling310 on 06/25/2008 13:50:40
I was a'wonderin' because i didn't see any storms close to that!
starling310 on 06/25/2008 13:50:40
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by starling310:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by BobR:
woah Scoop - that second picture has "tornado" written all over it...
I seriously thought we were gonna get some twisting action from the last set of storms that came through about 6-6:30 last night.. I had a good view of 'em 'cause I went with the folks from work to a social function in Providence - had 18th floor view of the clouds and it was a-mazing. Wish I had a camera with me so I coulda taken some shots of my own. (these are from the local news channel's blog)
Wait Scoop! Are you still in CT?
Nope I'm back in RI.. was just visiting mom in Hartford this past weekend.
I was a'wonderin' because i didn't see any storms close to that!
Comment by Scoopster on 06/25/2008 13:51:24
Scoopster on 06/25/2008 13:51:24
Heh.. this stuff had the native Rhodies running for cover!
Comment by TriSec on 06/25/2008 13:53:26
TriSec on 06/25/2008 13:53:26
Regarding the Sermon on the Mount, do you think Sen. Obama might be referring to the passage noted in Matthew 7:1-6?
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
Comment by Random on 06/25/2008 13:54:14
Random on 06/25/2008 13:54:14
I like Dr. Who...
(This is a Random Comment)
(This is a Random Comment)
Comment by starling310 on 06/25/2008 13:58:25
You hear that?
It's Harry Reid's back bone growing.
starling310 on 06/25/2008 13:58:25
Quote by Raine:
Now this is strange. Harry Reid will not support FISA.
You hear that?
It's Harry Reid's back bone growing.
Comment by m-hadley on 06/25/2008 14:07:10
Mornin' Starling,
Last year we had an exonerated ex-death row inmate come to talk to the law school where I work - it was a powerful presentation. I hope it inspired at least a few law students to plan to work for inmates' rights when they finish school. Not much money in that type of work, but the rewards of giving somebody their life back has got to be tremendous :)
Cheers,
mfaye
:heart:
m-hadley on 06/25/2008 14:07:10
Quote by starling310:
Speaking of taking something awful and turning it into something positive. . .
This show, The Exonerated just came to my area. I missed the opportunity to see it, but a good friend went and said it was amazing!!
It's about people that were mistakenly committed of crimes and spent time in prison for it. . . one guy was in prison 18 years based on an Eyewitness account. Scary stuff.
They had talk backs after the show and statistics were given that the United States believes 5% of people in Prison are innocent. The woman said it probably was more around 10%, because of course the Government would down play it, and that equates to about 50,000 people. . . innocently convicted and serving time.
Mornin' Starling,
Last year we had an exonerated ex-death row inmate come to talk to the law school where I work - it was a powerful presentation. I hope it inspired at least a few law students to plan to work for inmates' rights when they finish school. Not much money in that type of work, but the rewards of giving somebody their life back has got to be tremendous :)
Cheers,
mfaye
:heart:
Comment by 
wickedpam on 06/25/2008 14:07:19
Me too - even though I've only see the 9th and 10th Doctors.
Morning all :hug:
wickedpam on 06/25/2008 14:07:19
Quote by Random:
I like Dr. Who...
(This is a Random Comment)
Me too - even though I've only see the 9th and 10th Doctors.
Morning all :hug:
Comment by starling310 on 06/25/2008 14:09:07
Yes, one of the actual people, whose story you hear in the show, was there. It was amazing how positive he was.
starling310 on 06/25/2008 14:09:07
Quote by m-hadley:
Mornin' Starling,
Last year we had an exonerated ex-death row inmate come to talk to the law school where I work - it was a powerful presentation. I hope it inspired at least a few law students to plan to work for inmates' rights when they finish school. Not much money in that type of work, but the rewards of giving somebody their life back has got to be tremendous :)
Cheers,
mfaye
:heart:
Yes, one of the actual people, whose story you hear in the show, was there. It was amazing how positive he was.
Comment by 
clintster on 06/25/2008 14:10:06
clintster on 06/25/2008 14:10:06
A few corrections to the Fox Noise "K-to-tha-J" fact board up there. As we all know, his favorite food is a Zagnut bar, and the fun fact should probably reflect his love for the AMC Pacer or his pride in his Taipodong.
Oh, and I don't think he really gives a rat fart who is elected president.
Oh, and I don't think he really gives a rat fart who is elected president.
Comment by Random on 06/25/2008 14:10:56
Tennant is great (Random love 10th doctor)
That beside, i listen to an audio book. The doctor telling Rose not to pay attention to the Ontological paradox...
Random on 06/25/2008 14:10:56
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:
I like Dr. Who...
(This is a Random Comment)
Me too - even though I've only see the 9th and 10th Doctors.
Morning all :hug:
Tennant is great (Random love 10th doctor)
That beside, i listen to an audio book. The doctor telling Rose not to pay attention to the Ontological paradox...
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2008 14:13:01
Raine on 06/25/2008 14:13:01
The senate confirms FEC nominees.
Mason, the recess appointment by B*sh, the one who warned McCain for breaking FEC laws was removed by the pResident. Interestiing, huh?
Mason, the recess appointment by B*sh, the one who warned McCain for breaking FEC laws was removed by the pResident. Interestiing, huh?
Comment by BobR on 06/25/2008 14:17:16
wow.
There's an office of The Innocence Project just down the street from us...
BobR on 06/25/2008 14:17:16
Quote by starling310:
Speaking of taking something awful and turning it into something positive. . .
This show, The Exonerated just came to my area. I missed the opportunity to see it, but a good friend went and said it was amazing!!
It's about people that were mistakenly committed of crimes and spent time in prison for it. . . one guy was in prison 18 years based on an Eyewitness account. Scary stuff.
They had talk backs after the show and statistics were given that the United States believes 5% of people in Prison are innocent. The woman said it probably was more around 10%, because of course the Government would down play it, and that equates to about 50,000 people. . . innocently convicted and serving time.
wow.
There's an office of The Innocence Project just down the street from us...
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2008 14:19:54
Raine on 06/25/2008 14:19:54
Breaking news: The supreme court rejected the Death Penalty for Child Rape.
5-4
Waiting for the ruling on the Valdeze/Exxon case.
5-4
Waiting for the ruling on the Valdeze/Exxon case.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/25/2008 14:20:24
I like Tennet but I really liked Eccelston he had a good snarky and dark attitude.
wickedpam on 06/25/2008 14:20:24
Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:
I like Dr. Who...
(This is a Random Comment)
Me too - even though I've only see the 9th and 10th Doctors.
Morning all :hug:
Tennant is great (Random love 10th doctor)
That beside, i listen to an audio book. The doctor telling Rose not to pay attention to the Ontological paradox...
I like Tennet but I really liked Eccelston he had a good snarky and dark attitude.
Comment by starling310 on 06/25/2008 14:20:26
I hope you never need to go see them!!!
They started as 2 lawyers, working out of a shoebox, in their spare time. But, they got so many letters from people saying they were innocent, that they eventually got sponsors and were able to quit their jobs and work on the cases full time. . . pretty amazing.
starling310 on 06/25/2008 14:20:26
Quote by BobR:
wow.
There's an office of The Innocence Project just down the street from us...
I hope you never need to go see them!!!
They started as 2 lawyers, working out of a shoebox, in their spare time. But, they got so many letters from people saying they were innocent, that they eventually got sponsors and were able to quit their jobs and work on the cases full time. . . pretty amazing.
Comment by BobR on 06/25/2008 14:20:41
Either that or he doesn't want to go against the REAL power base in the Senate...
BobR on 06/25/2008 14:20:41
Quote by starling310:
You hear that?
It's Harry Reid's back bone growing.
Either that or he doesn't want to go against the REAL power base in the Senate...
Comment by wickedpam on 06/25/2008 14:22:15
Have they ruled on the DC Hand gun case yet?
wickedpam on 06/25/2008 14:22:15
Quote by Raine:
Breaking news: The supreme court rejected the Death Penalty for Child Rape.
5-4
Waiting for the ruling on the Valdeze/Exxon case.
Have they ruled on the DC Hand gun case yet?
Comment by 
livingonli on 06/25/2008 14:22:28
livingonli on 06/25/2008 14:22:28
Good morning all.
I had a really rough night last night. On the way home from work, I am heading on the parkway and I see two lights barreling at such speed that I thought I was going to get rear-ended. I go to the right lane to avoid the oncoming vehicle and the next thing I hear is a thud on the passenger side of my car and I see a motorcycle flying off onto the grass. I pull over, call 911 and someone else must have called also because the police, fire and ambulances came pretty fast. They took the two people on the motorcycle to the hospital for injuries. While talking to the police and state troopers apparently the two lights I saw behind me were motorcycles and one of them was the one that sideswiped my car after I changed lanes to avoid the two motorcycles. And after all that I had to have the tow truck jump my car battery since I left my car lights on while I had been pulled over.
I finally got home at 2:30 and just felt really bummed out and I'm supposed to be in at noon today to do overtime. It just feels like my luck continues to suck. I just hope the two people are OK but the police say based on witness reports that the accident is their fault for going too fast.
I had a really rough night last night. On the way home from work, I am heading on the parkway and I see two lights barreling at such speed that I thought I was going to get rear-ended. I go to the right lane to avoid the oncoming vehicle and the next thing I hear is a thud on the passenger side of my car and I see a motorcycle flying off onto the grass. I pull over, call 911 and someone else must have called also because the police, fire and ambulances came pretty fast. They took the two people on the motorcycle to the hospital for injuries. While talking to the police and state troopers apparently the two lights I saw behind me were motorcycles and one of them was the one that sideswiped my car after I changed lanes to avoid the two motorcycles. And after all that I had to have the tow truck jump my car battery since I left my car lights on while I had been pulled over.
I finally got home at 2:30 and just felt really bummed out and I'm supposed to be in at noon today to do overtime. It just feels like my luck continues to suck. I just hope the two people are OK but the police say based on witness reports that the accident is their fault for going too fast.
Comment by BobR on 06/25/2008 14:25:43
oh man, that's tough. I agree with the cops that the motorcyclists were going too fast and shouldn't have passed you on the right without giving you a chance to move over. Don't beat yourself up over this. :hug:
Sorry about your car too. I hope there wasn't much damage. I'm guessing the motorcyclists don't carry collision insurance...
BobR on 06/25/2008 14:25:43
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning all.
I had a really rough night last night. On the way home from work, I am heading on the parkway and I see two lights barreling at such speed that I thought I was going to get rear-ended. I go to the right lane to avoid the oncoming vehicle and the next thing I hear is a thud on the passenger side of my car and I see a motorcycle flying off onto the grass. I pull over, call 911 and someone else must have called also because the police, fire and ambulances came pretty fast. They took the two people on the motorcycle to the hospital for injuries. While talking to the police and state troopers apparently the two lights I saw behind me were motorcycles and one of them was the one that sideswiped my car after I changed lanes to avoid the two motorcycles. And after all that I had to have the tow truck jump my car battery since I left my car lights on while I had been pulled over.
I finally got home at 2:30 and just felt really bummed out and I'm supposed to be in at noon today to do overtime. It just feels like my luck continues to suck. I just hope the two people are OK but the police say based on witness reports that the accident is their fault for going too fast.
oh man, that's tough. I agree with the cops that the motorcyclists were going too fast and shouldn't have passed you on the right without giving you a chance to move over. Don't beat yourself up over this. :hug:
Sorry about your car too. I hope there wasn't much damage. I'm guessing the motorcyclists don't carry collision insurance...
Comment by Random on 06/25/2008 14:26:40
I like Tennant Better. It helps that he's had three series to work out a character better. Eccelston was good.
I just like Tennant better because of...well his attitude and nature.
Random on 06/25/2008 14:26:40
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:
I like Dr. Who...
(This is a Random Comment)
Me too - even though I've only see the 9th and 10th Doctors.
Morning all :hug:
Tennant is great (Random love 10th doctor)
That beside, i listen to an audio book. The doctor telling Rose not to pay attention to the Ontological paradox...
I like Tennet but I really liked Eccelston he had a good snarky and dark attitude.
I like Tennant Better. It helps that he's had three series to work out a character better. Eccelston was good.
I just like Tennant better because of...well his attitude and nature.
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2008 14:26:41
Raine on 06/25/2008 14:26:41
From Scotusblog:
The Court has released the opinion in Exxon v. Baker (07-219), on the validity of the $2.5 billion punitive damages award to victims of the Exxon Valdez oil spill. The ruling below, which upheld the award, is vacated and remanded.
Justice Souter wrote the opinion. All Justices concurred in the judgment, except Justice Alito, who took no part. We will provide a link to the decision as soon as it is available.
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Also: In Exxon, the Court holds that the punitives are limited to $507.5 million.
In Exxon, the punitive damage ruling is 5-3.
The Court has released the opinion in Exxon v. Baker (07-219), on the validity of the $2.5 billion punitive damages award to victims of the Exxon Valdez oil spill. The ruling below, which upheld the award, is vacated and remanded.
Justice Souter wrote the opinion. All Justices concurred in the judgment, except Justice Alito, who took no part. We will provide a link to the decision as soon as it is available.
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Also: In Exxon, the Court holds that the punitives are limited to $507.5 million.
In Exxon, the punitive damage ruling is 5-3.
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2008 14:32:03
From Scotus Blog: "The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that it is unconstitutional to impose the death penalty for the crime of raping a child, when the victim does not die and death was not intended. The ruling split the Court 5-4. The decision nullified a Louisiana law that provided capital punishment for raping a child under age 12. The law was since amended to apply to raping a child under age 13."
Looking for the DC handgun case. More to come on the Exxon case.
Raine on 06/25/2008 14:32:03
Quote by Raine:
Breaking news: The supreme court rejected the Death Penalty for Child Rape.
5-4
Waiting for the ruling on the Valdeze/Exxon case.
From Scotus Blog: "The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that it is unconstitutional to impose the death penalty for the crime of raping a child, when the victim does not die and death was not intended. The ruling split the Court 5-4. The decision nullified a Louisiana law that provided capital punishment for raping a child under age 12. The law was since amended to apply to raping a child under age 13."
Looking for the DC handgun case. More to come on the Exxon case.
Comment by BobR on 06/25/2008 14:33:12
BobR on 06/25/2008 14:33:12
PETA upset because pigeons were shot at Wimbledon
Really?.... pigeons??...
This is why PETA has a hard time being taken seriously...
Really?.... pigeons??...
This is why PETA has a hard time being taken seriously...
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2008 14:33:22
Raine on 06/25/2008 14:33:22
From the AP:
The Supreme Court on Wednesday cut the $2.5 billion punitive damages award in the 1989 Exxon Valdez disaster to $500 million.
The court ruled that victims of the worst oil spill in U.S. history may collect punitive damages from Exxon Mobil Corp., but not as much as a federal appeals court determined.
Justice David Souter wrote for the court that punitive damages may not exceed what the company already paid to compensate victims for economic losses, about $500 million compensation.
Exxon asked the high court to reject the punitive damages judgment, saying it already has spent $3.4 billion in response to the accident that fouled 1,200 miles of Alaska coastline.
A jury decided Exxon should pay $5 billion in punitive damages. A federal appeals court cut that verdict in half.
The Supreme Court on Wednesday cut the $2.5 billion punitive damages award in the 1989 Exxon Valdez disaster to $500 million.
The court ruled that victims of the worst oil spill in U.S. history may collect punitive damages from Exxon Mobil Corp., but not as much as a federal appeals court determined.
Justice David Souter wrote for the court that punitive damages may not exceed what the company already paid to compensate victims for economic losses, about $500 million compensation.
Exxon asked the high court to reject the punitive damages judgment, saying it already has spent $3.4 billion in response to the accident that fouled 1,200 miles of Alaska coastline.
A jury decided Exxon should pay $5 billion in punitive damages. A federal appeals court cut that verdict in half.
Comment by Scoopster on 06/25/2008 14:35:52
Scoopster on 06/25/2008 14:35:52
Ya know.. given the pro-corporate bend that both parties have had for many, many years now I'm not surprised by that ruling.
I am quite appaled though. :boom:
I am quite appaled though. :boom:
Comment by wickedpam on 06/25/2008 14:36:23
Oh my God Liv!
:hug:
The police and Bob are right, it sounds like the people who were passing on the right were at fault.
There is no such thing as good or bad luck, darling, sometimes life just sucks it happens to everyone so you're no alone. You have to get through the down times and that makes the goods so much more special.
*picks Liv up from his spot on the dirt road of life and dusts the dirt off*
Your okay. You have no control of what those people did, you can miss them the best of health but do not beat yourself up over it. Get out of the house, garden, mow the lawn, read, go to the movies, keep yourself busy. It's going to be fine. :hug:
wickedpam on 06/25/2008 14:36:23
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning all.
I had a really rough night last night. On the way home from work, I am heading on the parkway and I see two lights barreling at such speed that I thought I was going to get rear-ended. I go to the right lane to avoid the oncoming vehicle and the next thing I hear is a thud on the passenger side of my car and I see a motorcycle flying off onto the grass. I pull over, call 911 and someone else must have called also because the police, fire and ambulances came pretty fast. They took the two people on the motorcycle to the hospital for injuries. While talking to the police and state troopers apparently the two lights I saw behind me were motorcycles and one of them was the one that sideswiped my car after I changed lanes to avoid the two motorcycles. And after all that I had to have the tow truck jump my car battery since I left my car lights on while I had been pulled over.
I finally got home at 2:30 and just felt really bummed out and I'm supposed to be in at noon today to do overtime. It just feels like my luck continues to suck. I just hope the two people are OK but the police say based on witness reports that the accident is their fault for going too fast.
Oh my God Liv!
:hug:The police and Bob are right, it sounds like the people who were passing on the right were at fault.
There is no such thing as good or bad luck, darling, sometimes life just sucks it happens to everyone so you're no alone. You have to get through the down times and that makes the goods so much more special.
*picks Liv up from his spot on the dirt road of life and dusts the dirt off*
Your okay. You have no control of what those people did, you can miss them the best of health but do not beat yourself up over it. Get out of the house, garden, mow the lawn, read, go to the movies, keep yourself busy. It's going to be fine. :hug:
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2008 14:38:51
Holy crap, Liv. What Bob said.
you must have been terrified.
Raine on 06/25/2008 14:38:51
Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli:
Good morning all.
I had a really rough night last night. On the way home from work, I am heading on the parkway and I see two lights barreling at such speed that I thought I was going to get rear-ended. I go to the right lane to avoid the oncoming vehicle and the next thing I hear is a thud on the passenger side of my car and I see a motorcycle flying off onto the grass. I pull over, call 911 and someone else must have called also because the police, fire and ambulances came pretty fast. They took the two people on the motorcycle to the hospital for injuries. While talking to the police and state troopers apparently the two lights I saw behind me were motorcycles and one of them was the one that sideswiped my car after I changed lanes to avoid the two motorcycles. And after all that I had to have the tow truck jump my car battery since I left my car lights on while I had been pulled over.
I finally got home at 2:30 and just felt really bummed out and I'm supposed to be in at noon today to do overtime. It just feels like my luck continues to suck. I just hope the two people are OK but the police say based on witness reports that the accident is their fault for going too fast.
oh man, that's tough. I agree with the cops that the motorcyclists were going too fast and shouldn't have passed you on the right without giving you a chance to move over. Don't beat yourself up over this. :hug:
Sorry about your car too. I hope there wasn't much damage. I'm guessing the motorcyclists don't carry collision insurance...
you must have been terrified.
Comment by BobR on 06/25/2008 14:42:03
huh?? :huh:
If I thought that's what actual damages were for. Punitive damages are supposed to be like fines - a monetary penalty in leiu of locking the entire company up in jail.
BobR on 06/25/2008 14:42:03
Quote by Raine:
From the AP:
Justice David Souter wrote for the court that punitive damages may not exceed what the company already paid to compensate victims for economic losses, about $500 million compensation.
huh?? :huh:
If I thought that's what actual damages were for. Punitive damages are supposed to be like fines - a monetary penalty in leiu of locking the entire company up in jail.
Comment by Raine on 06/25/2008 14:42:15
Raine on 06/25/2008 14:42:15
It looks like SCOTUS will be giving the ruling on the Gun case tomorrow.
Tomorrow, the Court will issue its remaining three decisions: Heller (DC Guns), Davis v. FEC (campaign finance), and American Electric Power (energy contracts).
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As Tom previously mentioned, it is quite likely that Justice Scalia is writing the majority opinion in the Guns case and that Justice Alito is writing the opinion in the election case, Davis v. FEC. The author of American Electric Power is harder to predict.
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Clarification: while it appears that Justice Scalia has the principle opinion in the Guns case, it is not necessarily a majority opinion. It could be a plurality opinion.
Tomorrow, the Court will issue its remaining three decisions: Heller (DC Guns), Davis v. FEC (campaign finance), and American Electric Power (energy contracts).
===================
As Tom previously mentioned, it is quite likely that Justice Scalia is writing the majority opinion in the Guns case and that Justice Alito is writing the opinion in the election case, Davis v. FEC. The author of American Electric Power is harder to predict.
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Clarification: while it appears that Justice Scalia has the principle opinion in the Guns case, it is not necessarily a majority opinion. It could be a plurality opinion.
Comment by Scoopster on 06/25/2008 14:42:48
Scoopster on 06/25/2008 14:42:48
Holy shit livin.. here's hoping those folks weren't seriously injured, and that they smarten up a bit speed-wise.
Back around 2000 I had a short stint as a taxi driver - and I had two incidents with people on bicycles running into my cab.....deliberately, for insurance money. Even knowing that fact I didn't feel very good after either incident.. bit of a shell shock. Hang in there man.
Back around 2000 I had a short stint as a taxi driver - and I had two incidents with people on bicycles running into my cab.....deliberately, for insurance money. Even knowing that fact I didn't feel very good after either incident.. bit of a shell shock. Hang in there man.
Comment by BobR on 06/25/2008 14:43:57
BobR on 06/25/2008 14:43:57
Comment by m-hadley on 06/25/2008 14:45:23
Gosh Livin,
I'm glad that you are okay - how's your car? Don't beat yourself up over this - IT WAS NOT YOUR FAULT - it seems that the motorcylclist were asking for an accident as they were clearly speeding. Take good care today - you are a hero in my book :D
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug: :heart:
m-hadley on 06/25/2008 14:45:23
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning all.
I had a really rough night last night. On the way home from work, I am heading on the parkway and I see two lights barreling at such speed that I thought I was going to get rear-ended. I go to the right lane to avoid the oncoming vehicle and the next thing I hear is a thud on the passenger side of my car and I see a motorcycle flying off onto the grass. I pull over, call 911 and someone else must have called also because the police, fire and ambulances came pretty fast. They took the two people on the motorcycle to the hospital for injuries. While talking to the police and state troopers apparently the two lights I saw behind me were motorcycles and one of them was the one that sideswiped my car after I changed lanes to avoid the two motorcycles. And after all that I had to have the tow truck jump my car battery since I left my car lights on while I had been pulled over.
I finally got home at 2:30 and just felt really bummed out and I'm supposed to be in at noon today to do overtime. It just feels like my luck continues to suck. I just hope the two people are OK but the police say based on witness reports that the accident is their fault for going too fast.
Gosh Livin,
I'm glad that you are okay - how's your car? Don't beat yourself up over this - IT WAS NOT YOUR FAULT - it seems that the motorcylclist were asking for an accident as they were clearly speeding. Take good care today - you are a hero in my book :D
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug: :heart:
Comment by wickedpam on 06/25/2008 14:47:12
Why do I get the sinking feeling that they are gonna let handguns back onto DC streets?
wickedpam on 06/25/2008 14:47:12
Quote by Raine:
It looks like SCOTUS will be giving the ruling on the Gun case tomorrow.
Tomorrow, the Court will issue its remaining three decisions: Heller (DC Guns), Davis v. FEC (campaign finance), and American Electric Power (energy contracts).
===================
As Tom previously mentioned, it is quite likely that Justice Scalia is writing the majority opinion in the Guns case and that Justice Alito is writing the opinion in the election case, Davis v. FEC. The author of American Electric Power is harder to predict.
==========-========
Clarification: while it appears that Justice Scalia has the principle opinion in the Guns case, it is not necessarily a majority opinion. It could be a plurality opinion.
Why do I get the sinking feeling that they are gonna let handguns back onto DC streets?