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The Myths of the Syrian Refugees
Author: BobR    Date: 2015-11-18 11:55:09

The horrific terrorist attacks in Paris on Friday have triggered a lot of reactions across the planet. In Paris, the reactions have been reminiscent of how New Yorkers reacted after 9/11: "screw them - we are going to get back to normal". And - like after 9/11 - the reactions elsewhere range from panic to insane revenge fantasies. Worst of all is the xenophobic anti-Muslim anti-refugee attitude of too many of my fellow Americans.

Before the smoke had even cleared, there were immediate declarations that the attackers must have come with the hundreds of thousands of refugees from Syria. That has proven to be not true thus far. All of the those involved who have been positively identified were French or Belgian nationals. There was a Syrian passport found at one site, but those investigating this believe it was stolen or fake.

Nonetheless, despite the fact that refugees have never enacted a terrorist attack in the United States, there have been outraged proclamations that we should not allow any Syrian refugees on American soil. Many states have declared that they won't accept them, despite the legal reality that they can't. The refugees also haven't been "flooding across our borders" they way some politicians and pundits have declared.

The reality is that we are looking at accepting 10,000 refugees. it will take time because the screening process is so onerous and time consuming. The notion that a Daesh member posing as a refugee will sneak in among them is absurd and ignorant. I certainly can't speak for the processes used by other countries, but I seriously doubt France, Germany, and other "1st World" countries are just opening the door and saying "c'mon in" without any screening processes.

The reactions are all a little too similar to our reaction to Jewish refugees pre-WWII. We all know how that one turned out for the Jews in Germany and other overrun countries who weren't able to make it out. Daesh is not out to kill Christians or westerners only - they will kill Muslims who do not pledge allegiance to them. They are a dictatorial blood cult that respects no religion, ethnicity, or citizenship. Their only loyalty is to themselves. They are more akin to a murderous biker gang than an Islamic organization.

To attack western targets, they don't NEED to sneak in soldiers from the Middle East. They use social media to draw in disenfranchised westerners, brainwash them, train them, then send them back home to create the kind of mayhem we saw in Paris last week. The danger isn't coming here in boats - it's coming here across the internet. THAT is where we have to stop it. How we do that is up to the cyber experts.

Those fleeing the abattoir in Syria deserve safe haven. That is who WE are. Otherwise, we may as well send the Statue of Liberty back to France. They don't seem to be turning their backs on those who need help.

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Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2015 13:29:46


Comment by trojanrabbit on 11/18/2015 13:42:28
Hear, hear.

Why bother having a Statue of Liberty if it means nothing.

Supposedly I was listening to Turn Up The Night last night and missed an earthquake.


Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2015 14:03:49
Morning

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2015 14:11:53
In the wonderful, uplifting news arena, THIS:




Comment by Raine on 11/18/2015 14:14:20


Amen, Bobber. Amen.

Comment by Raine on 11/18/2015 14:56:51
Quote by Mondobubba:
In the wonderful, uplifting news arena, THIS:



SQUEE!

Comment by Raine on 11/18/2015 15:04:04
this is a little disturbing:





Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2015 15:06:15
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
In the wonderful, uplifting news arena, THIS:



SQUEE!


Directed by Sofia Coppala. Staring Bill Murray, Amy Poehler, Michael Cera, Miley Cyrus, Jason Schwartzman, Maya Rudolph, Rashida Jones, Paul Schaffer, Rashida Jones, Chris Rock, Jenny Lewis, David Johanson, Phoenix, Thomas Mars, Julie White and maybe George Clooney. Star Studded!

Comment by BobR on 11/18/2015 15:16:40
Quote by Raine:
this is a little disturbing:




seriously - qualifying experience is inversely related to popularity in the polls. How does a political party survive when working as a member of it renders you unpopular within that party? It's like you become more and more persona non grata within the party with every election you win.

I am agog.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/18/2015 15:16:41
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
In the wonderful, uplifting news arena, THIS:



SQUEE!


Directed by Sofia Coppala. Staring Bill Murray, Amy Poehler, Michael Cera, Miley Cyrus, Jason Schwartzman, Maya Rudolph, Rashida Jones, Paul Schaffer, Rashida Jones, Chris Rock, Jenny Lewis, David Johanson, Phoenix, Thomas Mars, Julie White and maybe George Clooney. Star Studded!


Looks cute


Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2015 15:18:56
There's a meme circulating that the Tsarnaev boys were refugees. I believe they were legal immigrants not actually fleeing a war zone, but of course that is nuance and not the Republican's strong suit.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2015 15:34:29
Quote by Raine:
this is a little disturbing:





Aint that a kick in the head.

Comment by BobR on 11/18/2015 15:50:50
Quote by TriSec:
There's a meme circulating that the Tsarnaev boys were refugees. I believe they were legal immigrants not actually fleeing a war zone, but of course that is nuance and not the Republican's strong suit.

technically, the family DID receive "asylum" after the father came here on a tourist visa, because they feared persecution due to their being Chechen.

Like those French & Belgian nationals, however, they became radicalized, but it was years AFTER they came here.

Comment by Raine on 11/18/2015 15:53:53
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2015 16:22:02
Comment by Scoopster on 11/18/2015 16:25:15
Quote by Mondobubba:
Check out her hajib.

Republican Muslim Coalition?

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2015 16:33:00
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Check out her hajib.

Republican Muslim Coalition?



I know, right?

Comment by TriSec on 11/18/2015 16:50:59
Bill Gates can suck my dick. That is all.

Comment by BobR on 11/18/2015 17:22:42
Quote by TriSec:
Bill Gates can suck my dick. That is all.

oral sex should not be treated as a punishment.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/18/2015 18:02:55
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2015 18:10:10
Quote by Scoopster:
SO UH.. BUHBYE NOW.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/Qdk7jQBfBK6je/200_s.gif


Comment by Raine on 11/18/2015 18:12:40
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Check out her hajib.

Republican Muslim Coalition?



I know, right?
is that a flag on her?


Comment by Raine on 11/18/2015 18:14:06
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Check out her hajib.

Republican Muslim Coalition?



I know, right?
is that a flag on her?

SABA AHMED
(…)A former Democrat who ran for the U.S. Congress in her home state of Oregon in 2011, Ms. Ahmed became a Republican in 2012. She currently lives in Washington DC and is dedicated to educating and enlightening the American public, especially those in conservative Republican legal, political and business circles about Islam.


Comment by Raine on 11/18/2015 18:17:08
Saba was also, curiously enough part of the post GOP focus group with Frank Luntz.

(see the second clip on this page)



Comment by Raine on 11/18/2015 18:19:17
Saba is the only member of the coalition. THE ONLY MEMBER and the only person willing to say she is a republican muslim woman to constantly appear of Fox news.

I have to wonder if someone is getting punked.

Comment by BobR on 11/18/2015 18:24:49
Comment by Raine on 11/18/2015 18:27:33

I have a feeling we will be eating Freedumb fries again….

Comment by Scoopster on 11/18/2015 18:31:24
Quote by Raine:
Saba is the only member of the coalition. THE ONLY MEMBER and the only person willing to say she is a republican muslim woman to constantly appear of Fox news.

I have to wonder if someone is getting punked.

It seems to me like she's doing this on her own just to try to break through to Republicans, without any other real political motive. It's admirable.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2015 18:38:30
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Check out her hajib.

Republican Muslim Coalition?



I know, right?
is that a flag on her?


Talk about wrapping yourself in the flag...

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2015 18:39:51
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Scoopster:
SO UH.. BUHBYE NOW.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/Qdk7jQBfBK6je/200_s.gif



Geez Mike, project that fanatacsim much?

Comment by Raine on 11/18/2015 18:46:55
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Raine:
Saba is the only member of the coalition. THE ONLY MEMBER and the only person willing to say she is a republican muslim woman to constantly appear of Fox news.

I have to wonder if someone is getting punked.

It seems to me like she's doing this on her own just to try to break through to Republicans, without any other real political motive. It's admirable.
I actually hope that is the case, to be honest.


Comment by Raine on 11/18/2015 18:48:00
Comment by Scoopster on 11/18/2015 18:52:06
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2015 18:55:25
Quote by Raine:
This is the shit that pisses me off.

The NRA blocked this simplest common sense loophole fix to the no fly list.


Speaking of the NRA, they pretty much wrote this. Thankfully it died in committee.

Comment by Raine on 11/18/2015 19:10:42
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
This is the shit that pisses me off.

The NRA blocked this simplest common sense loophole fix to the no fly list.


Speaking of the NRA, they pretty much wrote this. Thankfully it died in committee.
Thank you fro some more good news!


Comment by Raine on 11/18/2015 19:18:36
Aww COME ON!!!!


http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/w_652/yhjotf07bjc7i6zfk7cn.jpg


Comment by Raine on 11/18/2015 19:19:19


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2015 19:52:56
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
This is the shit that pisses me off.

The NRA blocked this simplest common sense loophole fix to the no fly list.


Speaking of the NRA, they pretty much wrote this. Thankfully it died in committee.
Thank you fro some more good news!



Marrion Hammer, the NRA's woman in Tallahassee, was being interviewed yesterday in a local newsbreak on the NPR mosheen. She was saying that putting the burden of proof on the prosecution restores a defendant's rights. I want to punch her in her smug well paid face.


Comment by Scoopster on 11/18/2015 20:13:50
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
This is the shit that pisses me off.

The NRA blocked this simplest common sense loophole fix to the no fly list.


Speaking of the NRA, they pretty much wrote this. Thankfully it died in committee.
Thank you for some more good news!

Thanks to the NRA, I've coined a new term today.

Logic Cramp - when the logic of an argument or statement is so twisted from reality or a well-known position that it causes physical pain in those who recognize it.

ex.: The NRA bitching about Syrian refugees getting easy access to guns here in America gave my brain a big fat logic cramp.

Comment by Raine on 11/18/2015 20:18:11
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
This is the shit that pisses me off.

The NRA blocked this simplest common sense loophole fix to the no fly list.


Speaking of the NRA, they pretty much wrote this. Thankfully it died in committee.
Thank you for some more good news!

Thanks to the NRA, I've coined a new term today.

Logic Cramp - when the logic of an argument or statement is so twisted from reality or a well-known position that it causes physical pain in those who recognize it.

ex.: The NRA bitching about Syrian refugees getting easy access to guns here in America gave my brain a big fat logic cramp.
I like it. I like it a lot!


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/18/2015 20:36:11
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
This is the shit that pisses me off.

The NRA blocked this simplest common sense loophole fix to the no fly list.


Speaking of the NRA, they pretty much wrote this. Thankfully it died in committee.
Thank you for some more good news!

Thanks to the NRA, I've coined a new term today.

Logic Cramp - when the logic of an argument or statement is so twisted from reality or a well-known position that it causes physical pain in those who recognize it.

ex.: The NRA bitching about Syrian refugees getting easy access to guns here in America gave my brain a big fat logic cramp.



Me likee. Me likee a lot! Thanks Scoop.