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Author: TriSec    Date: 07/15/2008 10:48:10

Good Morning.

Today is our 1,945th day in Iraq.

We'll start as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from the warron terra, courtesy of antiwar.com:

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4119
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3980
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3658
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3260
Since Election (1/31/05): 2682

Other Coalition Troops: 314
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 555

We find this morning's cost of war passing through $ 536, 860, 250, 000.00



This morning, we'll take a look at the forgotten conflict in Afghanistan. Even here at Ask A vet, we often overlook this second front in the "warron terra" in favor of the epic boondoggle that is Iraq. However, there's been some news recently. We'll start with Candidate Obama, who would send 10,000 troops to Afghanistan, which may actually be a good idea.

The Democratic Party's presidential nominee, writing in The New York Times yesterday, said that while US troops had performed "heroically" in Iraq, Afghanistan was the real frontline in the battle against al-Qa'eda.

The comments came a day after nine US soldiers were killed in a gun battle when al-Qa'eda-Taliban forces attacked a base in eastern Afghanistan, the deadliest attack they have suffered in three years.

Mr Obama added that the conditions that led him to oppose the war in Iraq and last year's "surge" of US forces had not altered.

"The strain on our military has grown, the situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated and we've spent nearly $200 billion more in Iraq than we had budgeted," he wrote.

The article will be followed by a major foreign policy speech today in which the candidate will lay out his vision for his presidency.




It should come as no surprise that the Republicans were quick to latch on to this. This response comes from the RNC:

As Chairman Of The Subcommittee With NATO Oversight, Obama Has Failed To Hold Any Hearings On Afghanistan:

Obama Has Served As Chairman Of The Subcommittee On European Affairs From 2007 - 2008. (U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee Website, www.senate.gov, Accessed 7/10/08)

The Subcommittee On European Affairs Has Jurisdiction Over The Countries Of Europe As Well As NATO Activities. "Jurisdiction: The subcommittee deals with all matters concerning U.S. relations with the countries on the continent of Europe...and with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the European Union and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe." (U.S. Senate Committee On Foreign Relations Website, foreign.senate.gov, Accessed 2/27/07)

As Chairman Of The Subcommittee On European Affairs, Obama Could Have Held Hearings On The Role Of NATO In Afghanistan. "[A]mbassador John Ritch, who served for two decades as the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's senior staffer on European affairs and East-West relations...[P]oints out that as subcommittee chair, Obama could have examined a wide variety of urgent matters, from the role of NATO in Afghanistan and Iraq to European energy policy and European responses to climate change..." (Joe Conason, "Obama's European Problem," www.salon.com, 12/29/07)

Obama Has Never Been To Afghanistan; Skipped The Opportunity To Go In 2006...



Curiously, a google search for "McCain + Afghanistan" reveals that the last comments the Senator made about this conflict came way back in February of 2005...for Fox News.
KABUL, Afghanistan — The United States needs permanent military bases in Afghanistan to protect its "vital national security interests" in the region, Arizona Sen. John McCain (search) said Tuesday after talks with the Afghan president.

McCain's remarks were the latest indication of American and British aspirations to cement their influence in this former Al Qaeda (search) stronghold on the doorstep of Iran (search), China and nuclear-armed rivals Pakistan (search) and India.

McCain, part of a five-member Senate delegation that met President Hamid Karzai (search) at his palace in the Afghan capital, said he was committed to a "strategic partnership that we believe must endure for many, many years."

"Not only because of our appreciation of Afghanistan, but also we believe there will be vital national security interests in this region for a long time," McCain said.

Asked by reporters what such a partnership would entail, he identified "economic assistance, technical assistance, military partnership including — and this is a personal view — joint military permanent bases and also cultural exchanges."

McCain, the No. 2 Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, did not elaborate on what kind of American military presence he was advocating.

Karzai did not address the issue at a joint news conference, limiting himself to expressing thanks.

"It is because of help from the United States that Afghanistan has what it has today, be it in reconstruction, be it in economy, in elections, in the very fact that this is a country that is now owning itself."

Asked about McCain's comments regarding permanent U.S. bases in Afghanistan, Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said, "It's premature to even consider something like that." He said there are no such discussions under way with the Afghan government.


Of course, the situation in Afghanistan has changed dramatically since 2005...we're losing. And unless you've really been paying attention, you probably didn't see this story at all this week.
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — U.S. troops on Monday reinforced a remote military outpost after well-armed militants got inside and killed nine American soldiers in the deadliest assault on U.S. forces in Afghanistan in three years.

Sunday's assault has deepened doubts about the U.S. military's ability to contain Islamic militants. Attacks in Afghanistan are becoming more complex, intense and better coordinated than a year ago, U.S. officials say.

Militants with machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars attacked the remote base in the village of Wanat in the mountainous northeastern province of Kunar at about 4:30 a.m. Sunday, with insurgents firing from homes and a mosque.

It was a "concerted attempt" to overrun the small base near the Pakistan border that was built only about three days ago, said an official with NATO's International Security Assistance Force.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to release the information, estimated the attacking force was several hundred.

An unknown number of militants got inside the outpost, the reason the fighters were able to inflict such high casualties, said a second military official who also spoke on condition of anonymity.

After the breach, U.S. troops pushed back against the invading militants, and attack helicopters swooped in. The second official said more than 40 insurgents were killed in the fighting. Fifteen U.S. soldiers also were wounded.

"Instead of looking at it necessarily from the perspective of the Taliban or terrorists being more aggressive in coming after NATO or U.S. forces or Afghan forces, in this particular case it was an example of NATO, U.S. and Afghan forces being aggressive in combatting cross-border infiltration," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.

The latest assault came at a time of rising violence in Afghanistan.

Monthly death tolls of U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan surpassed U.S. military deaths in Iraq in May and June. And last Monday, a suicide bomber attacked the Indian Embassy in Kabul, killing 58 people in the deadliest attack in the Afghan capital since 2001.



Sorry for the length of the post today....but I think my point is rather clear. And I hope it's obvious which candidate is at least paying attention. Neither one may have the answers...but do you want some concrete action, or more of McSame?


 

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Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 12:30:25
Good Morning! Going to vote today...



The biggest thing up on out primary day is selected a challenger for

Saxby Chamblisssssssssssss <----------------slithering like a snake....

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 12:43:34
Good Morning! McCain is here in NM and the local news is smitten. The M$M love them some old gramps stuff.



God I hate the media.



They want to portray the "surge" as a fix for an illegal invasion. It was all wrong but look we are only havng a handfull of our brave and best killed so - it is really a wild success!









Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 12:51:46
McCain lies to a kids face.



Can we please start getting the media to pay attention to this stuff?


Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 12:56:03
Is Momma's mic open and hot yet? :P

Comment by clintster on 07/15/2008 13:02:12
Jim's in today! And we're gonna get an MSTing of the Bush press conference.

Comment by clintster on 07/15/2008 13:02:55
And Chris had to take a "Stephstream".

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 13:07:48
Morning :hug:

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 13:10:18
:rolleyes: Well I guess Momma isn't enamoured with Neil??? I knew it!



OK, be back in a few minutes, going to vote!

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 13:10:57
Quote by clintster:

And Chris had to take a "Stephstream".


:rofl:

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 13:11:43
Shane-O! You scamp! :rofl:

Comment by clintster on 07/15/2008 13:12:37
Quote by Raine:

Quote by clintster:

And Chris had to take a "Stephstream".


:rofl:


The best part of that is, he actually referred to it as a "Stephstream".

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 13:13:58
Quote by Raine:

Is Momma's mic open and hot yet? :P






Momma's mike is always open and hot!

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 13:15:33
Morning all. I now know what happens when you take twice the prescribed dose of Lexapro. :panicky: It will pass, it WILL pass. Hiya all.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 13:19:06
Good morning!

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 13:28:38
Good morning everyone.



I actually was able to wake up and catch the show this morning.

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 13:28:55
Oreo?





Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 13:35:23
Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 13:40:02
Quote by capt:

oreo







"BLOCKED SITE"



Damn you Big Brother!! :: impotent fists of rage ::

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 13:40:58
:usa: I voted :usa:


Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 13:42:46
Quote by capt:

oreo



HEre ya go,

Term for African Americans that the black community is generally offended with for betraying their roots usually for dating caucasion girls, dressing too white, talking too white, etc. The term is branded OREO since they are "Black on the outside, White on the inside"

"Damn Marcus, have you seen Deon lately? The brother is a total Oreo, he's all drivin' a BMW with his white biatch. The brotha forgot where he came from!"

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 13:44:00
Quote by Raine:

:usa: I voted :usa:






Yeah I need to do that in the local primary. That's right. We have two primaries in Florida. The presidential and then the local. Can you say stupid? I thought you can.

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 13:44:09
HA! producerchris. . . I heard the voice crack too. :rofl:

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 13:44:46
http://bp0.blogger.com/_MS7_pHb7lpQ/SHyptCMi5fI/AAAAAAAABv0/AZABMkBdfSo/s400/nymccainoj9.jpg


Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 13:44:56
Quote by Raine:

:usa: I voted :usa:


Good for you. Isn't it crazy that there has to be two primaries?

Comment by TriSec on 07/15/2008 13:46:04
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

:usa: I voted :usa:






Yeah I need to do that in the local primary. That's right. We have two primaries in Florida. The presidential and then the local. Can you say stupid? I thought you can.




Hmm, all of mine are on the same day, but our primaries aren't until September. (John Kerry has a democratic challenger this year.) I don't think anything else is happening.







Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 13:46:12
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

:usa: I voted :usa:






Yeah I need to do that in the local primary. That's right. We have two primaries in Florida. The presidential and then the local. Can you say stupid? I thought you can.
It's kinda strange, that is fer sure.



But HEY! Everyone wanted to be part of Super tuesday.... (not)



Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 13:46:32
Quote by Raine:

Quote by capt:

oreo



HEre ya go,

Term for African Americans that the black community is generally offended with for betraying their roots usually for dating caucasion girls, dressing too white, talking too white, etc. The term is branded OREO since they are "Black on the outside, White on the inside"

"Damn Marcus, have you seen Deon lately? The brother is a total Oreo, he's all drivin' a BMW with his white biatch. The brotha forgot where he came from!"




Oh...lovely.





Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 13:47:53
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

:usa: I voted :usa:






Yeah I need to do that in the local primary. That's right. We have two primaries in Florida. The presidential and then the local. Can you say stupid? I thought you can.
It's kinda strange, that is fer sure.



But HEY! Everyone wanted to be part of Super tuesday.... (not)





We too have a presidential primary then another primary for congress senate and local.



All done voting here until Nov.







Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 13:48:01
Quote by starling310:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by capt:

oreo



HEre ya go,

Term for African Americans that the black community is generally offended with for betraying their roots usually for dating caucasion girls, dressing too white, talking too white, etc. The term is branded OREO since they are "Black on the outside, White on the inside"

"Damn Marcus, have you seen Deon lately? The brother is a total Oreo, he's all drivin' a BMW with his white biatch. The brotha forgot where he came from!"




Oh...lovely.









You have never heard the term before? Wow!

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 13:49:29
We also have our local primaries in September. Haven't heard much here

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 13:51:23
A mooooslum....





Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 13:53:16
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by starling310:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by capt:

oreo



HEre ya go,

Term for African Americans that the black community is generally offended with for betraying their roots usually for dating caucasion girls, dressing too white, talking too white, etc. The term is branded OREO since they are "Black on the outside, White on the inside"

"Damn Marcus, have you seen Deon lately? The brother is a total Oreo, he's all drivin' a BMW with his white biatch. The brotha forgot where he came from!"




Oh...lovely.









You have never heard the term before? Wow!




I have...when they supposedly threw oreoes at that politician.

But, it was odd to hear Maclaughlin saying it in that way.



Capt and Raine were trying to be helpful Mondo!! Sheesh.



Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 13:54:42
Quote by TriSec:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

:usa: I voted :usa:






Yeah I need to do that in the local primary. That's right. We have two primaries in Florida. The presidential and then the local. Can you say stupid? I thought you can.




Hmm, all of mine are on the same day, but our primaries aren't until September. (John Kerry has a democratic challenger this year.) I don't think anything else is happening.









The logical, thrifty way of doing it. You practical Yankees you! With your simple inexpensive solutions to problems!

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 13:55:09
:usa: :usa:


Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 13:55:54
Quote by starling310:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by starling310:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by capt:

oreo



HEre ya go,

Term for African Americans that the black community is generally offended with for betraying their roots usually for dating caucasion girls, dressing too white, talking too white, etc. The term is branded OREO since they are "Black on the outside, White on the inside"

"Damn Marcus, have you seen Deon lately? The brother is a total Oreo, he's all drivin' a BMW with his white biatch. The brotha forgot where he came from!"




Oh...lovely.









You have never heard the term before? Wow!




I have...when they supposedly threw oreoes at that politician.

But, it was odd to hear Maclaughlin saying it in that way.



Capt and Raine were trying to be helpful Mondo!! Sheesh.





:Emily Litella: Never mind. :Changes subjects: So, Star how was the ball game??

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 13:56:26
:flop sweat: : Dangerfield collar tug:

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 13:57:27
Quote by capt:

http://bp0.blogger.com/_MS7_pHb7lpQ/SHyptCMi5fI/AAAAAAAABv0/AZABMkBdfSo/s400/nymccainoj9.jpg
That is BEAUTIFUL!



Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 13:58:24
Quote by capt:

http://bp0.blogger.com/_MS7_pHb7lpQ/SHyptCMi5fI/AAAAAAAABv0/AZABMkBdfSo/s400/nymccainoj9.jpg






:rofl:

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 13:59:52
BTW, one of our candidates for Sheriff ...



Chuck Rambo.







:rofl: I shit you not...

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 14:01:28
I want to hear Momma curse on the Stephstream.

Comment by TriSec on 07/15/2008 14:02:31
We're below 11,000 folks...



Dow Jones Industrial Average

10,910.75 -144.44 / -1.31%

Jul 15 10:00am ET †

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:05:30
Sexy Sexy David Sirota is coming to the Atl!





http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/IMG_1002.jpg


If I go to see him again, would that make me a stalker? :P

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 14:07:43
Quote by TriSec:

We're below 11,000 folks...



Dow Jones Industrial Average

10,910.75 -144.44 / -1.31%

Jul 15 10:00am ET †




This has been coming for a while - let's hope it is not gaining momentum in a downward spiral.



Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 14:08:46
Quote by starling310:

A mooooslum....







Is that a place for the bovine monetarily challenged?



Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:09:29
Quote by capt:

Quote by TriSec:

We're below 11,000 folks...



Dow Jones Industrial Average

10,910.75 -144.44 / -1.31%

Jul 15 10:00am ET †




This has been coming for a while - let's hope it is not gaining momentum in a downward spiral.





Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 14:09:29
FineD Graham Norton fast Steph!

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 14:09:47
Quote by Raine:

BTW, one of our candidates for Sheriff ...



Chuck Rambo.







:rofl: I shit you not...






I'm slightly disturbed by that. Dunno why?

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 14:13:28


Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 14:13:49
Yeah Cookie!