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Author: TriSec    Date: 03/01/2016 10:11:46

Good Morning.

Just a quickie at this hour. I'm working the polls this year for the first time, and I'll need to be on-site pretty soon.


So, we'll dive right in. Since it is Super Tuesday, how about a story about Donald Trumpler to ponder today? A little while back, Mr. Trump came out in support of torture. It made a brief national stir, and then it disappeared as we quickly moved on. But of course, those in the know had a thing or two to say about it.


Joint Chiefs Chairman Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford indirectly but strongly rejected Thursday the campaign statements of Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump that "torture works."

Put on the spot about Trump's remarks by Rep. Betty McCollum, a Democrat from Minnesota, Dunford didn't respond directly but made clear that torture was out of bounds for a military that embodies American values.

"One of the things that makes me proud to represent this uniform is that we represent the values of the American people," the general said in testimony before the House Appropriations Defense Subcommittee. While he never mentioned Trump's name, he said, "When our young men and women go to war, they go with our values."

Dunford added, "When we find exceptions," and U.S. troops abuse prisoners, "you can see how aggressively we address those exceptions. We should never apologize for going to war with the values of the American people. That's what we have done historically, that's what we expect to do in the future. And again that's what makes me proud to wear this uniform."

McCollum appeared to stun the committee and Defense Secretary Ashton Carter in forcefully calling for comment from Carter and Dunford on Trump's statements that as president he would authorize methods for the interrogation of prisoners and terrorist suspects that went well beyond waterboarding, which has been banned by President Barack Obama.

In a campaign appearance in South Carolina last week, Trump said that he supported waterboarding and similar interrogation techniques because "torture works" in the questioning of terrorists.

"Don't tell me it doesn't work -- torture works," he said. "OK, folks? Torture -- you know, half these guys [say]: 'Torture doesn't work.' Believe me, it works. OK?"

In posing her questions, McCollum said the panel was deliberating on funding for the military that would be available for the next president, and "a leading candidate for president is telling the American people and the world that torture works. He says he will use torture to help defeat" the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, she said.

"I find these rants frightening and dangerous to our nation," McCollum said. She asked Carter and Trump, "Do you support allowing U.S. troops or the intelligence community to use torture?"

Carter sought to avoid the question. It was a "fair question," he said, but "I feel very strongly that our department needs to stand apart from the electoral season so I respectfully decline to answer any questions that arise from the political debate going on."

Carter said that Dunford as a uniformed officer was under even more constraints, but the general seemed eager to answer. Carter relented and said that if Dunford commented on the "general question of how we try to conduct ourselves as a military -- that's fine."

When Dunford concluded his remarks, McCollum said "Mr. Chairman, I'm assuming the values of the American people do not include torture."

Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen, a New Jersey Republican and chairman of the committee, said "I agree," and then quickly sent the questioning to another lawmaker.

Should Trump become president and he authorize the use of torture in interrogations, it may require U.S. troops to put themselves in jeopardy by violating Uniform Code of Military Justice prohibitions on the use of torture and prisoner abuse in general.


So, there is that.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but if you're in a Super Tuesday state, make sure everyone you know is voting today!

13 comments (Latest Comment: 03/02/2016 02:10:04 by TriSec)
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Comment by Mondobubba on 03/01/2016 13:57:08
It made me far too happy to read "Trump" as "Drumpf." Throughout Tri's blog post today. Thanks, John Oliver for the snazzy Drumpfinator extension for Chrome. #makedonalddrumpfagain

Since I am a helper if nothing else, here's a link to the site where you can add it to Chrome yourself. Since I don't think it is for any browser other that Chrome, now's a good time switch.

Comment by wickedpam on 03/01/2016 13:58:41
Morning

Comment by trojanrabbit on 03/01/2016 14:11:46
Morning....

The Mrs. has done her civic duty and voted, I will do so on the way home tonight.

Comment by Mondobubba on 03/01/2016 15:10:07
I can vote early starting on Saturday. Still don't know who I will vote for. Then in August, because Florida is stupid, we have another primary for local, state and federal candidates.

Comment by BobR on 03/01/2016 17:08:28
The patriotic duty is done!

Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/01/2016 17:51:37
It will be an interesting day in politics.

I think that Donald Trump is increasingly showing why he is unfit to be President of the United States.

Torture only works in getting a person to say something, with the hope of making the torture stop. During the witch trials, people confessed to flying in the air and consorting with Satan. During the Vietnam War, Senator John McCain admitted that he lied under torture about who was on his ship.

I have my preferences in the presidential race, but I will vote for the Democratic nominee this November. A Democratic president can be persuaded and pressured to listen to the concerns of the public. I fear that the only voice that Donald Trump hears is his own ego and it is HUGE.

Comment by TriSec on 03/01/2016 18:23:33
Hi all.

Your intrepid Ward 1, precinct 2 Inspector checking in! (Waltham, MA)

We had a line out the door at 6:50 am this morning. Most of the early rush was done by 7:30, but it's remained steady all day.

In my precinct, we're easily running 5-1 D vs R ballots. It should be an interesting result.

And I've just voted myself; it literally took 30 seconds. And people complain they don't 'have the time to vote'??

Anyway...jamming lunch in my face, then back to the polls!



Comment by Raine on 03/01/2016 18:29:52
Good Afternoon!


I have voted, and I voted my conscience.

Comment by Raine on 03/01/2016 18:30:20
Quote by TriSec:
Hi all.

Your intrepid Ward 1, precinct 2 Inspector checking in! (Waltham, MA)

We had a line out the door at 6:50 am this morning. Most of the early rush was done by 7:30, but it's remained steady all day.

In my precinct, we're easily running 5-1 D vs R ballots. It should be an interesting result.

And I've just voted myself; it literally took 30 seconds. And people complain they don't 'have the time to vote'??

Anyway...jamming lunch in my face, then back to the polls!

Thank you for your service, Sir!


Comment by livingonli on 03/01/2016 18:40:45
Oh, my head. That swelling in my neck turned into a full-blown infection. Now, I just have to be able until I can get to my doctor tomorrow.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 03/01/2016 19:34:59
That's it, Krafty Bob, keep giving me more and more reasons to tell the the Pats and the NFL to GFY.

Comment by Mondobubba on 03/01/2016 20:57:43
Quote by Raine:
Good Afternoon!


I have voted, and I voted my conscience.


Well done!



Comment by TriSec on 03/02/2016 02:10:04
So, a report from Ward 2, Precinct 1 (Waltham, MA)

Already done, results tallied, and ballots transported to City Hall.

I touched many Republican ballots, and talked to actual Republicans in a civil and professional manner, and was happy to do so.

Voting was smooth and painless. For those of you in rigid, closed, voter ID states, picture this....

Voter walks in, gets in line.

Hi, what street please?

Number?

Name?

OK, I see you're unenrolled today. What ballot would you like?

Thanks, you're all set - this way to vote. (points)

or, Oh, I see you're Inactive today. Please step over to the helpdesk, and update your paperwork and show us an ID, and you can go right back and vote.

And your mileage may vary, but here in Liberal Massachusetts, in my Ward only....the number of ballots for Second Place Bernie Sanders exceeded ALL the Republican ballots cast by a factor of 2 to 1.

IF this is a normal election, and the Democrats lineup behind the candidate, we should trounce Mr. Trump by better than 5 to 1.

We'll see.