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Author: TriSec    Date: 11/15/2016 11:22:03

Good Morning.

We here at Ask a Vet are looking in the rear-view mirror with dismay. Seems hard to believe it was just 7 days ago that this was still the United States of America.

We'll start this morning in our littlest state. Local veterans in Rhode Island have reacted to Trump's win with a mixture of hope and dismay.




Donald Trump said repeatedly during his campaign that he would treat military veterans better than they have been in the past.

On Veterans Day, former servicemen told NBC 10 News they are eager to see if he follows through on his campaign promises.

Malkus Mills served in the United States Navy more than 40 years ago. He had a few complaints about how the government has treated him, as well as some concerns about the president-elect.

“I’m not sure what's going to happen with us,” Millis said. “I hope that they're going to keep doing the right thing and keep taking care of veterans who go off to war.”
But Joe Northrop, an Army vet, has faith in Trump.

“I'm very happy with him,” Northrop said. “I voted for him. I think he’s going to follow through on pretty much everything he said.”

Dave Smith of Disabled Veterans of Rhode Island is also hopeful.
“He said a lot in his campaigning that he was going to do a lot for veterans,” Smith said. “Let’s wait and see. He hasn't taken office yet, but I really hope he follows through on his commitment.”

While some vets said they have no love for Trump, veterans always put their country first, regardless of how they voted.

“I don't have a good feeling about it and I hope that I'm wrong,” said veteran John Roberts. “But we will support our country.”


Further south at the Pentagon, the reaction was similar. I do find it curious though, as most military voters do tend to Conservative Republican, why there is such surprise.


The surprise felt by many Americans the day after the presidential election was noticeable at the Pentagon, where U.S. service members said they never expected Donald Trump would become their new commander-in-chief.

"I stayed up until about 1:30 in the morning, and I couldn't believe it," said Air Force Maj. Todd Watson, a 42-year-old programs manager at the Defense Department.

He said he voted for Trump, despite the candidate's "rough-around-the-edges" image.

"A lot of times what he said concerned me, and I thought he would have had a better time if he would have used a different tact," Watson said. "I was bothered by a lot of the same stuff most folks were put off by, but at the end of the day, I don't know if the lesser of two evils was the right terminology ... but it was a vote against Hillary Clinton."

With Clinton, "there was a trust thing," Watson said, who described Trump as "an outsider who will try to inject something different into the system."

He added, "There may be some pain with that, but I think it will be a positive thing in many ways too."

About a dozen service members said they didn't feel comfortable talking to a reporter about the election. Half of those were female service members.

A U.S. Navy officer, who asked not to be identified, said he was very surprised by the election's outcome.

"It was kind of shocking. It just seemed like by all the polls that were coming out; everybody seemed to be saying Clinton was a shoo-in," he said, adding, "I didn't vote for either one of them."

The personnel policy specialist with 19 years of service said he voted instead for Gary Johnson, the libertarian candidate.

"I wasn't impressed with some of the things I was hearing about Hillary Clinton," he said, referring to the FBI investigation into her emails as secretary of state.

As for Trump, "some of his personal actions were very concerning," such as the negative comments he made about women.

"A lot of it just didn't seem very presidential," he said.


Last Friday was Veteran's day in these United States, and by now I'm sure you've heard that President-Elect Trump had better things to do.


Veterans Day came and went with millions of Americans around the nation coming together to share a somber embrace of dignity, honor, and respect for those who have served, or are actively serving, in the United States Military. One face was notably absent from the thousands of celebrations dotted across America; President-elect Donald J. Trump, who apparently did not attend a single Veteran’s Day celebration despite his impending rise to Commander in Chief of the entire United States military in just a few short weeks. If Trump were looking for a way in which to endear himself to the troops, of which Trump is solely responsible for issuing orders for them to risk their lives, this was likely not the best route.

After spending months describing how much respect he has for the military, while simultaneously attacking veterans like Sen. John McCain for being captured during Vietnam and disrespecting the family of fallen service members like Humayun Khan for the calamitous offense of being a Muslim, Trump was nowhere to be found. There is not a single note, record, or press release of Trump making any public appearances on Veteran’s Day. In fact, unless one follows Trump’s Twitter feed one might believe he was completely unaware the national holiday was even happening. Trump wrote on Twitter:

Today we express our deepest gratitude to all those who have served in our armed forces. #ThankAVet

That was it. Nothing else. He didn’t visit a graveyard, he didn’t make any telephone calls to military families, he didn’t visit the thousands of Americans recovering from various wounds and afflictions in our nation’s veterans hospitals, he didn’t even bring a dish to pass at a local community center potluck for veterans. When a minor gesture can make the difference to so many who have put their lives on the line to defend America, Trump decided that no gestures were required.

One can imagine the outrage of conservatives if the roles were reversed and President Barack Obama failed to make an appearance at a public event honoring veterans. There would be calls for Obama’s lack of patriotism, and that he was a traitor to those who serve under him. They would say that Obama is a weak leader, and does not inspire the troops. The babble would be endless and full of empty righteous indignation. Those scenarios didn’t happen, however, because President Obama was at Arlington National Cemetery on Veterans Day where he gave a humble speech about the thousands who are laid to rest, and to offer his sincere gratitude for the bravery of the fallen. That’s what a president should do, that is the duty of a president, which is something Donald J. Trump clearly does not understand.


Unfortunately, Veterans aren't immune to the Trumpification of America; the link below being the first example I found.

Black veteran says he was refused free Veteran's Day meal at Chili's after man in Trump shirt questioned his service


Of course, we've all had our nightmare and disaster scenarios swirling through our heads all week - we here at Ask A Vet aren't immune. Think about this one; every elected official anywhere in the United States takes an oath that includes the phrase "Preserve, Protect, and Defend the Constitution of the United States". Every active-duty personnel takes that oath as well, many with the qualifier "from all enemies, both foreign and domestic".

If an enemy of the Constitution is sitting in the oval office - could the Pentagon be compelled to remove him to protect that document, even by force of arms if necessary?

43 comments (Latest Comment: 11/15/2016 20:14:10 by Mondobubba)
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Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/15/2016 13:43:26
Good morning, bloggers!!!

TriSec, I am loathe with the thought of the military removing any active President. I would hope that the people would rise up and demand Trump's peaceful removal from office by legal means if he acted in ways contrary to the Constitution. As things stand, I fear that Donald J. Trump does not understand nor respect the U.S. Constitution and will combine the worst aspects of the Ulysses S. Grant, Herbert Hoover, Richard M. Nixon and George W. Bush administrations in his tenure in the Oval Office.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/15/2016 13:57:31
Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2016 14:07:42
Morning

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2016 14:34:05
Good morning.

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2016 14:36:55
Like the article said, she was expected to step down, but this happened sooner than I thought.

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2016 14:39:14
Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2016 15:27:04
With each fresh addition to hell each day is bringing at this point, my brain has turned to something not really important, sorry swimming int he shallow end of the pool right now, anyway - what is inauguration day going to look like?

The last ones I remember, even from Bush, was big party days with concerts and of course the parade. Who is going to show up for this one? What school is going to want their marching band associated with this? What artist is going to want to preform? Who is really going to want to go to the parties?

I know the Newsum is holding a party which seems relevant, but doesn't like MTV and other kind of hip parties go on too?

Comment by BobR on 11/15/2016 15:32:13
Quote by wickedpam:
With each fresh addition to hell each day is bringing at this point, my brain has turned to something not really important, sorry swimming int he shallow end of the pool right now, anyway - what is inauguration day going to look like?

The last ones I remember, even from Bush, was big party days with concerts and of course the parade. Who is going to show up for this one? What school is going to want their marching band associated with this? What artist is going to want to preform? Who is really going to want to go to the parties?

I know the Newsum is holding a party which seems relevant, but doesn't like MTV and other kind of hip parties go on too?

I'm sure Ted Nugent would be happy to play

Comment by Scoopster on 11/15/2016 15:32:37
Quote by wickedpam:
With each fresh addition to hell each day is bringing at this point, my brain has turned to something not really important, sorry swimming int he shallow end of the pool right now, anyway - what is inauguration day going to look like?

The last ones I remember, even from Bush, was big party days with concerts and of course the parade. Who is going to show up for this one? What school is going to want their marching band associated with this? What artist is going to want to preform? Who is really going to want to go to the parties?

I know the Newsum is holding a party which seems relevant, but doesn't like MTV and other kind of hip parties go on too?

The hotel industry is pretty bummed about it because they're looking at cancelled reservations by the thousands now.

That said, I hear there's a major womens' protest and/or general strike scheduled for that day in DC.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2016 15:39:30
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:
With each fresh addition to hell each day is bringing at this point, my brain has turned to something not really important, sorry swimming int he shallow end of the pool right now, anyway - what is inauguration day going to look like?

The last ones I remember, even from Bush, was big party days with concerts and of course the parade. Who is going to show up for this one? What school is going to want their marching band associated with this? What artist is going to want to preform? Who is really going to want to go to the parties?

I know the Newsum is holding a party which seems relevant, but doesn't like MTV and other kind of hip parties go on too?

I'm sure Ted Nugent would be happy to play


And Meatloaf and is Charlie Daniels dead or alive? Maybe Pat Boone?

Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2016 15:40:46
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by wickedpam:
With each fresh addition to hell each day is bringing at this point, my brain has turned to something not really important, sorry swimming int he shallow end of the pool right now, anyway - what is inauguration day going to look like?

The last ones I remember, even from Bush, was big party days with concerts and of course the parade. Who is going to show up for this one? What school is going to want their marching band associated with this? What artist is going to want to preform? Who is really going to want to go to the parties?

I know the Newsum is holding a party which seems relevant, but doesn't like MTV and other kind of hip parties go on too?

The hotel industry is pretty bummed about it because they're looking at cancelled reservations by the thousands now.

That said, I hear there's a major womens' protest and/or general strike scheduled for that day in DC.



Yep Million Woman March - why couldn't it wait until spring, its too cold here in January! And Metro sucks right now! Also if you're going use VRE, 10/10 Highly recommend

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2016 15:46:32



Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2016 15:49:11
Comment by Raine on 11/15/2016 16:05:11
IT's been less than a week and I am totlly exhausted.


Comment by Raine on 11/15/2016 16:06:18
Quote by wickedpam:
Check out the names being floated for the daily briefings If they actually have them that is.

Dear god.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2016 16:09:59
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Check out the names being floated for the daily briefings If they actually have them that is.

Dear god.


the worst of the lot is that Milo guy

Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2016 16:10:21
Quote by Raine:
IT's been less than a week and I am totlly exhausted.


same

Comment by Scoopster on 11/15/2016 16:41:34
Just got the news from the boss - Office Dog has cancer in his spleen.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/15/2016 16:47:12
Quote by Scoopster:
Just got the news from the boss - Office Dog has cancer in his spleen.



That sucks. Office dogs are the best! A friend of mine has one at her office. He is the Director of Moral. He is flatulent French Bulldog named Sampson. I've met him, he's awesome.


Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2016 16:48:28
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Scoopster:
Just got the news from the boss - Office Dog has cancer in his spleen.



That sucks. Office dogs are the best! A friend of mine has one at her office. He is the Director of Moral. He is flatulent French Bulldog named Sampson. I've met him, he's awesome.





Comment by Raine on 11/15/2016 16:55:00
Quote by Scoopster:
Just got the news from the boss - Office Dog has cancer in his spleen.






damnitall 2016, please please just stop.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2016 16:59:20
DC Public school kids now marching

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/15/2016 17:06:21
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Scoopster:
Just got the news from the boss - Office Dog has cancer in his spleen.



That sucks. Office dogs are the best! A friend of mine has one at her office. He is the Director of Moral. He is flatulent French Bulldog named Sampson. I've met him, he's awesome.





He has amazing humping technique! I was sitting with my knees parted. He put front paws on my knees, pulled him up off the ground and started humping the empty space between my legs while looking soulfully into my eyes. The only thing that was missing was some Barry White.


Comment by Raine on 11/15/2016 17:27:44
Quote by wickedpam:
DC Public school kids now marching

At least two! I just heard it on WTOP. Sidwell Freinds is one of the High Schools!

#MAkingGoodTrouble!

Comment by Scoopster on 11/15/2016 17:29:14
Well, Gentle Ben is apparently gonna sit this one out. However his reasoning is a bit "....Oh you have gotta be fuckin' kidding me...!"

"Dr. Carson feels he has no government experience," an ally said. “The last thing he would want to do was take a position that could cripple the presidency."


Comment by Raine on 11/15/2016 17:30:31



Comment by Mondobubba on 11/15/2016 17:31:01
Quote by Scoopster:
Well, Gentle Ben is apparently gonna sit this one out. However his reasoning is a bit "....Oh you have gotta be fuckin' kidding me...!"

"Dr. Carson feels he has no government experience," an ally said. “The last thing he would want to do was take a position that could cripple the presidency."





Comment by Raine on 11/15/2016 17:32:00
Quote by Scoopster:
Well, Gentle Ben is apparently gonna sit this one out. However his reasoning is a bit "....Oh you have gotta be fuckin' kidding me...!"

"Dr. Carson feels he has no government experience," an ally said. “The last thing he would want to do was take a position that could cripple the presidency."



Comment by Raine on 11/15/2016 18:23:01
Whelp.




Comment by Mondobubba on 11/15/2016 19:01:08
Quote by Raine:
Whelp.





The better thing would be to see how many are left after the caucus meeting.

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2016 19:14:00
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Whelp.





The better thing would be to see how many are left after the caucus meeting.
Excellent question, Mondo.

I just read that Ryan was relelected to Speaker again -- unanimously.


Comment by Raine on 11/15/2016 19:20:30
This is really bothersome.

They won't even listen to a former Bush official.

IT gives background to this tweet.


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/15/2016 19:30:32
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Whelp.





The better thing would be to see how many are left after the caucus meeting.
Excellent question, Mondo.

I just read that Ryan was relelected to Speaker again -- unanimously.


Not surprising that he was.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/15/2016 19:52:23
Mose Allison has died.

2016, please go fuck right off. Thanks, everyboby.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/15/2016 19:57:05
Welp, I just saw Office Dog for the last time. The cancer was too large and likely metastasized, so operating would've only given him a few months at great expense.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2016 20:00:48
I see 2016 continues to be the Year of Suck

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2016 20:03:07
I alwasy think of MAla when I hear this song.






Comment by Raine on 11/15/2016 20:04:38
Quote by Scoopster:
Welp, I just saw Office Dog for the last time. The cancer was too large and likely metastasized, so operating would've only given him a few months at great expense.

Oh man, Scoop. I am really sorry.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2016 20:05:17
Quote by Raine:
I alwasy think of MAla when I hear this song.








one of my faves that I crank and sing in the car

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2016 20:11:27
Waiting and hoping.

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Comment by Mondobubba on 11/15/2016 20:14:10
Quote by Scoopster:
Welp, I just saw Office Dog for the last time. The cancer was too large and likely metastasized, so operating would've only given him a few months at great expense.