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Ask a Vet
Author: TriSec
Date: 01/17/2017 10:55:53
Good Morning.
Yesterday was a remarkable anniversary.
On January 16, 1991, coalition forces went over the berm and invaded Kuwait in the first Gulf War.
We've been there ever since.
Think about it - it's been 26 years. That's not an insignificant amount of time. Just for me - in 1991 I was 25 years old. I hadn't even met my future wife yet. Never mind imagining the things I'm doing now. Of course, there are some constants - I was still a Scouter, but with my youth troop at 61 Saugus - I was still living in nearby Revere in those days.
So it seems appropriate to see what those 26 years of "We are always at war with Eurasia" hath wrought.
As always, this comes to us courtesy of our friends at Antiwar.com, although this is only the total from our second go-round beginning in 2003:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4497
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4351
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3631
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 260
Since Operation New Dawn: 66
But add to that the 145 killed and 294 wounded the first time.
We recently looked at the Cost of War for another reason, so instead we'll review one of the most vexing and long-term consequences of Operation Desert Storm, which would be the mysterious Gulf War Syndrome.
Despite it fading from the headlines long ago, every now and again it bubbles back up for a retrospective, or sometimes a human-interest story. And it's not just US veterans affected, as this story from the Daily Mail illustrates:
Looking to the future, there's less hope for optimism now than at any time since January 17, 2001. (you can do the history check.) Two years after HIS inauguration, we were whole-hog back in Iraq, and we even added Afghanistan.
I can hope that the next guy is going to be so focused on undoing domestic policy that he won't have time for overseas affairs, but the world has already significantly destabilized since election day - who knows what Friday will bring?
Yesterday was a remarkable anniversary.
On January 16, 1991, coalition forces went over the berm and invaded Kuwait in the first Gulf War.
We've been there ever since.
Think about it - it's been 26 years. That's not an insignificant amount of time. Just for me - in 1991 I was 25 years old. I hadn't even met my future wife yet. Never mind imagining the things I'm doing now. Of course, there are some constants - I was still a Scouter, but with my youth troop at 61 Saugus - I was still living in nearby Revere in those days.
So it seems appropriate to see what those 26 years of "We are always at war with Eurasia" hath wrought.
As always, this comes to us courtesy of our friends at Antiwar.com, although this is only the total from our second go-round beginning in 2003:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4497
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4351
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3631
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 260
Since Operation New Dawn: 66
But add to that the 145 killed and 294 wounded the first time.
We recently looked at the Cost of War for another reason, so instead we'll review one of the most vexing and long-term consequences of Operation Desert Storm, which would be the mysterious Gulf War Syndrome.
A prominent condition affecting Gulf War Veterans is a cluster of medically unexplained chronic symptoms that can include fatigue, headaches, joint pain, indigestion, insomnia, dizziness, respiratory disorders, and memory problems.
VA refers to these illnesses as "chronic multisymptom illness" and "undiagnosed illnesses." We prefer not to use the term “Gulf War Syndrome†when referring to medically unexplained symptoms reported by Gulf War Veterans. Why? Because symptoms vary widely.
Military service connection
Gulf War Veterans who meet the criteria below do not need to prove a connection between their military service and illnesses in order to receive VA disability compensation.
VA presumes certain chronic, unexplained symptoms existing for 6 months or more are related to Gulf War service without regard to cause. These "presumptive" illnesses must have appeared during active duty in the Southwest Asia theater of military operations or by December 31, 2021, and be at least 10 percent disabling.
These illnesses include:
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, a condition of long-term and severe fatigue that is not relieved by rest and is not directly caused by other conditions.
Fibromyalgia, a condition characterized by widespread muscle pain. Other symptoms may include insomnia, morning stiffness, headache, and memory problems.
Functional gastrointestinal disorders, a group of conditions marked by chronic or recurrent symptoms related to any part of the gastrointestinal tract. Functional condition refers to an abnormal function of an organ, without a structural alteration in the tissues. Examples include irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), functional dyspepsia, and functional abdominal pain syndrome.
Undiagnosed illnesses with symptoms that may include but are not limited to: abnormal weight loss, fatigue, cardiovascular disease, muscle and joint pain, headache, menstrual disorders, neurological and psychological problems, skin conditions, respiratory disorders, and sleep disturbances.
Despite it fading from the headlines long ago, every now and again it bubbles back up for a retrospective, or sometimes a human-interest story. And it's not just US veterans affected, as this story from the Daily Mail illustrates:
A man found dead at the bottom of the White Cliffs of Dover was a Gulf War veteran who had tried to sue the Army for racism, it has been revealed today.
Scott Enion, who had demanded £100,000 from the Army after claiming he had been bullied relentlessly for seven years, had travelled 300 miles from his home in Manchester that day.
The former soldier, 45, was one of three bodies found at the bottom of the cliff that day after police discovered two twins, 59, understood to have been from the Elton area of Cheshire.
Friend feared that Mr Enion was suffering from Gulf War Syndrome and claimed that the Army had bullied him to the brink of suicide but his case was thrown out by a judge.
An ex-colleague told The Sun: 'Scott was a great soldier, a great man and a great friend.
'He suffered a lot as a result of his time in the Army but his abuse claims were never dealt with successfully. We are gutted to lose someone like him.'
Looking to the future, there's less hope for optimism now than at any time since January 17, 2001. (you can do the history check.) Two years after HIS inauguration, we were whole-hog back in Iraq, and we even added Afghanistan.
I can hope that the next guy is going to be so focused on undoing domestic policy that he won't have time for overseas affairs, but the world has already significantly destabilized since election day - who knows what Friday will bring?
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Comment by 
Mondobubba on 01/17/2017 13:37:41
Mondobubba on 01/17/2017 13:37:41
Hey, Tri, you might want to find other sources besides the Daily Fail. They are a horrible right-wing rag of a tabloid.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/17/2017 13:46:57
Mondobubba on 01/17/2017 13:46:57
Also, I am in love with the fact that Cheetolini counts among his friends a fellow who is known as "Joey No Socks."
I am going to assume that Cheetolini knows Mr. No Socks from when he was paying off Big Paulie Castellano and other Mafia dons to avoid labor trouble when he was building Trump Tower. Or, possibly through his good pal, Roy Coen, who was among other things, a Mob lawyer.
I am going to assume that Cheetolini knows Mr. No Socks from when he was paying off Big Paulie Castellano and other Mafia dons to avoid labor trouble when he was building Trump Tower. Or, possibly through his good pal, Roy Coen, who was among other things, a Mob lawyer.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 01/17/2017 14:05:57
wickedpam on 01/17/2017 14:05:57
Morning 
Comment by 
BobR on 01/17/2017 14:19:36
BobR on 01/17/2017 14:19:36
I remember reading that one of the theorized causes of Gulf War Syndrome was the use of depleted uranium for warheads. That stuff becomes a dust that the soldiers breathe in.
I don't know whether that has ever been proved or disproved as a possible cause.
I don't know whether that has ever been proved or disproved as a possible cause.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/17/2017 14:31:46
I believe that has been disproven.
Mondobubba on 01/17/2017 14:31:46
Quote by BobR:
I remember reading that one of the theorized causes of Gulf War Syndrome was the use of depleted uranium for warheads. That stuff becomes a dust that the soldiers breathe in.
I don't know whether that has ever been proved or disproved as a possible cause.
I believe that has been disproven.
Comment by 
Raine on 01/17/2017 14:52:13
Good morning! Found this over on DU.
3:30 mark.
The singers Father appears to be this guy.
Raine on 01/17/2017 14:52:13
Good morning! Found this over on DU.3:30 mark.
The singers Father appears to be this guy.
@AgalarovAras I had a great weekend with you and your family. You have done a FANTASTIC job. TRUMP TOWER-MOSCOW is next. EMIN was WOW!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 11, 2013
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 01/17/2017 15:03:38
velveeta jones on 01/17/2017 15:03:38
I am heartbroken to inform ya'll that.........
*sigh* the B Street Band - Bruce Springsteen cover band - has canceled playing the Inaugural Gala.
*sigh* the B Street Band - Bruce Springsteen cover band - has canceled playing the Inaugural Gala.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 01/17/2017 15:13:11
Scoopster on 01/17/2017 15:13:11
Mornin' all.. struggling with a migraine today 
Comment by Raine on 01/17/2017 16:03:07
Raine on 01/17/2017 16:03:07
The monster is attacking John Lewis again.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/17/2017 16:14:01
jeez
wickedpam on 01/17/2017 16:14:01
Quote by Raine:
The monster is attacking John Lewis again.
jeez
Comment by 
TriSec on 01/17/2017 16:25:31
I am aware of this, but the only other place I could find that story was The Sun, so...
TriSec on 01/17/2017 16:25:31
Quote by Mondobubba:
Hey, Tri, you might want to find other sources besides the Daily Fail. They are a horrible right-wing rag of a tabloid.
I am aware of this, but the only other place I could find that story was The Sun, so...
Comment by Scoopster on 01/17/2017 16:40:32
Scoopster on 01/17/2017 16:40:32
Say Tri/Rabbit, any plans to attend the march in Boston on Saturday? Was thinking I might head there instead of New York.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/17/2017 16:51:12
wickedpam on 01/17/2017 16:51:12
Hey Bob & Raine - look what they are building by me, looks cool -
2 Silos Brewing
Also Bad Wolf and CJ Finz is teaming up to have a brew pub.
And Sinistral Brewing is also opening in Manassas this year.
2 Silos Brewing
Also Bad Wolf and CJ Finz is teaming up to have a brew pub.
And Sinistral Brewing is also opening in Manassas this year.
Comment by Scoopster on 01/17/2017 17:05:27
Scoopster on 01/17/2017 17:05:27
What's a proper dictator to do once he takes the reins of power?
Why, put them down 'cuz it's the weekend baby!
Why, put them down 'cuz it's the weekend baby!
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 01/17/2017 17:08:00
My weekends are pretty much confined to recovering from the work-week and other chore-type things and getting Mrs. Rabbit out of the apartment. The Mrs. would not understand me going for a protest no matter what the cause.
trojanrabbit on 01/17/2017 17:08:00
Quote by Scoopster:
Say Tri/Rabbit, any plans to attend the march in Boston on Saturday? Was thinking I might head there instead of New York.
My weekends are pretty much confined to recovering from the work-week and other chore-type things and getting Mrs. Rabbit out of the apartment. The Mrs. would not understand me going for a protest no matter what the cause.
Comment by Scoopster on 01/17/2017 17:21:36
jfc.. the Flynns may be even more compromised than Trump himself.
Scoopster on 01/17/2017 17:21:36
Quote by Raine:
Well... this is terrifying.
jfc.. the Flynns may be even more compromised than Trump himself.
Comment by Raine on 01/17/2017 17:23:37
Looks liek we may have to take a day trip once the weather is nicer!
Raine on 01/17/2017 17:23:37
Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Bob & Raine - look what they are building by me, looks cool -
2 Silos Brewing
Also Bad Wolf and CJ Finz is teaming up to have a brew pub.
And Sinistral Brewing is also opening in Manassas this year.
Comment by Raine on 01/17/2017 17:24:23
JFC back atcha.
Raine on 01/17/2017 17:24:23
Quote by Scoopster:
What's a proper dictator to do once he takes the reins of power?
Why, put them down 'cuz it's the weekend baby!
JFC back atcha.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/17/2017 17:43:41
Watching them doing the construction and the rehab on the old barn every time we head to target. Its right off 66 too. Its in a good location. Want it to be open for the summer but alas they are going for Fall
wickedpam on 01/17/2017 17:43:41
Quote by Raine:Looks liek we may have to take a day trip once the weather is nicer!Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Bob & Raine - look what they are building by me, looks cool -
2 Silos Brewing
Also Bad Wolf and CJ Finz is teaming up to have a brew pub.
And Sinistral Brewing is also opening in Manassas this year.
Watching them doing the construction and the rehab on the old barn every time we head to target. Its right off 66 too. Its in a good location. Want it to be open for the summer but alas they are going for Fall
Comment by Raine on 01/17/2017 17:54:17
Boo.
Raine on 01/17/2017 17:54:17
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Looks liek we may have to take a day trip once the weather is nicer!Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Bob & Raine - look what they are building by me, looks cool -
2 Silos Brewing
Also Bad Wolf and CJ Finz is teaming up to have a brew pub.
And Sinistral Brewing is also opening in Manassas this year.
Watching them doing the construction and the rehab on the old barn every time we head to target. Its right off 66 too. Its in a good location. Want it to be open for the summer but alas they are going for Fall
Comment by Raine on 01/17/2017 18:14:54
Raine on 01/17/2017 18:14:54
Charles Johnson, who says he is friendly with members of the new administration, hopes their policies will give him leeway for even more of the internet trolling he has become known for. | Peter Duke
Comment by wickedpam on 01/17/2017 18:15:23
IKR *pouts*
wickedpam on 01/17/2017 18:15:23
Quote by Raine:Boo.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Looks liek we may have to take a day trip once the weather is nicer!Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Bob & Raine - look what they are building by me, looks cool -
2 Silos Brewing
Also Bad Wolf and CJ Finz is teaming up to have a brew pub.
And Sinistral Brewing is also opening in Manassas this year.
Watching them doing the construction and the rehab on the old barn every time we head to target. Its right off 66 too. Its in a good location. Want it to be open for the summer but alas they are going for Fall
IKR *pouts*
Comment by Raine on 01/17/2017 18:18:57
and this:
Raine on 01/17/2017 18:18:57
Quote by Raine:
Bit on where the alt-right may be going from here: https://t.co/irD8MdPtLd pic.twitter.com/njaib61OMq
— Casey Michel (@cjcmichel) January 17, 2017
Comment by Scoopster on 01/17/2017 19:02:34
Scoopster on 01/17/2017 19:02:34
Comment by Will in Chicago on 01/17/2017 19:04:37
Will in Chicago on 01/17/2017 19:04:37
Hello, bloggers!!!
I fear that we will see more war. Meanwhile, Trump is alienating many of our allies as he has said that NATO is obsolete and looks forward to a breakup of the European Union.
I fear that we will see more war. Meanwhile, Trump is alienating many of our allies as he has said that NATO is obsolete and looks forward to a breakup of the European Union.
Comment by Scoopster on 01/17/2017 19:12:27
That's fucking sickening, both as an American and as a Scottish descendant.
That entire work of poetry speaks against everything he stands for. I'm not surprised he chose it, considering we live in Bizzaro World now.
Scoopster on 01/17/2017 19:12:27
Quote by Raine:
Someone tell me this is joke.
Please?
That's fucking sickening, both as an American and as a Scottish descendant.
That entire work of poetry speaks against everything he stands for. I'm not surprised he chose it, considering we live in Bizzaro World now.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 01/17/2017 19:16:09
As someone with a mostly Scottish father (his Mom was half Irish), I am offended. If the Obamas are there when the poem is read, I would suggest that they walk out. Heck, I hope the Clintons find a way to stay away from the inauguration.
Will in Chicago on 01/17/2017 19:16:09
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
Someone tell me this is joke.
Please?
That's fucking sickening, both as an American and as a Scottish descendant.
That entire work of poetry speaks against everything he stands for. I'm not surprised he chose it, considering we live in Bizzaro World now.
As someone with a mostly Scottish father (his Mom was half Irish), I am offended. If the Obamas are there when the poem is read, I would suggest that they walk out. Heck, I hope the Clintons find a way to stay away from the inauguration.
Comment by 
livingonli on 01/17/2017 19:21:17
But his father's side is German, and he has probably picked up most of his behavior (if you read the books on his family) form that side of his parentage. Another thing for Germans to not be proud of.
livingonli on 01/17/2017 19:21:17
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
Someone tell me this is joke.
Please?
That's fucking sickening, both as an American and as a Scottish descendant.
That entire work of poetry speaks against everything he stands for. I'm not surprised he chose it, considering we live in Bizzaro World now.
As someone with a mostly Scottish father (his Mom was half Irish), I am offended. If the Obamas are there when the poem is read, I would suggest that they walk out. Heck, I hope the Clintons find a way to stay away from the inauguration.
But his father's side is German, and he has probably picked up most of his behavior (if you read the books on his family) form that side of his parentage. Another thing for Germans to not be proud of.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 01/17/2017 19:25:57
trojanrabbit on 01/17/2017 19:25:57
Tee hee. Waze is telling me I should have left a couple of minutes ago to go to a 2:30 meeting with my supervisor a couple of offices down. Since "traffic is light" you know.
Comment by Raine on 01/17/2017 19:30:42
I am just praying that this will not be presented at the inaugeral.
Raine on 01/17/2017 19:30:42
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
Someone tell me this is joke.
Please?
That's fucking sickening, both as an American and as a Scottish descendant.
That entire work of poetry speaks against everything he stands for. I'm not surprised he chose it, considering we live in Bizzaro World now.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 01/17/2017 19:32:45
If it is, then any Democrats present should just walk out.
Will in Chicago on 01/17/2017 19:32:45
Quote by Raine:I am just praying that this will not be presented at the inaugeral.Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
Someone tell me this is joke.
Please?
That's fucking sickening, both as an American and as a Scottish descendant.
That entire work of poetry speaks against everything he stands for. I'm not surprised he chose it, considering we live in Bizzaro World now.
If it is, then any Democrats present should just walk out.
Comment by Raine on 01/17/2017 19:55:45
Raine on 01/17/2017 19:55:45
Comment by Raine on 01/17/2017 19:59:38
Actually This is Summer Zervos who already came forward. She was on the apprentice.
This might force those tapes top come out.
She is now officially Suing T Rump it appears.
Raine on 01/17/2017 19:59:38
Quote by Raine:
breaking RIGHT NOW.
Another Lawsuit against Trump for sexual abuse.
Actually This is Summer Zervos who already came forward. She was on the apprentice.
This might force those tapes top come out.
She is now officially Suing T Rump it appears.
Comment by Raine on 01/17/2017 20:06:36
Raine on 01/17/2017 20:06:36
She just used Clinton V Jones Scotus ruling as precident for the lawsuit..
Comment by Raine on 01/17/2017 20:10:06
Raine on 01/17/2017 20:10:06
Summer just said that she would immediately retract the lawsuit if Trump retracted the things he said about her and took responsibility.
She will not ask for any money if she does that.
She will not ask for any money if she does that.
Comment by Raine on 01/17/2017 20:13:44
Raine on 01/17/2017 20:13:44
She passed a polygraph test.
They were just asked about getting access to the the Apprentice Tapes.
They may subpoena for the access.
They were just asked about getting access to the the Apprentice Tapes.
They may subpoena for the access.
Comment by Raine on 01/17/2017 20:16:16
Raine on 01/17/2017 20:16:16
The monster is gonna have a shit fit of epic proportions.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 01/17/2017 20:21:19
Yes, and I see this is going to end badly. I don't see Trump settling and admitting wrong doing.
Will in Chicago on 01/17/2017 20:21:19
Quote by Raine:
The monster is gonna have a shit fit of epic proportions.
Yes, and I see this is going to end badly. I don't see Trump settling and admitting wrong doing.
Comment by Raine on 01/17/2017 20:29:41
THIS IS GONNA BE INTERESTING.
She's talking about the Clinton impeachment -- she wants a deposition of Trump under oath.
Raine on 01/17/2017 20:29:41
Quote by Raine:
She just used Clinton V Jones Scotus ruling as precident for the lawsuit..
THIS IS GONNA BE INTERESTING.
She's talking about the Clinton impeachment -- she wants a deposition of Trump under oath.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 01/17/2017 20:33:25
trojanrabbit on 01/17/2017 20:33:25
All I have to say is there BETTER be good evidence here. What we don't need is Cheetolini beating the rap because the case isn't there.
Comment by BobR on 01/17/2017 20:42:28
"Mr. President - when did you stop beating your wife?"
BobR on 01/17/2017 20:42:28
Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:
She just used Clinton V Jones Scotus ruling as precident for the lawsuit..
THIS IS GONNA BE INTERESTING.
She's talking about the Clinton impeachment -- she wants a deposition of Trump under oath.
"Mr. President - when did you stop beating your wife?"
Comment by Raine on 01/17/2017 20:55:56
Raine on 01/17/2017 20:55:56
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:
She just used Clinton V Jones Scotus ruling as precident for the lawsuit..
THIS IS GONNA BE INTERESTING.
She's talking about the Clinton impeachment -- she wants a deposition of Trump under oath.
"Mr. President - when did you stop beating your wife?"
Comment by Raine on 01/17/2017 21:00:26
The suit isn't accusing him of Sexual Assault. The suit is claiming defamation due to comments he made about Summer. They are alleging damage and defamation. It's pretty brilliant, IMO
How this goes: He admits it-- Lawsuit Dropped. Not asking for money. HE's toast if he does (and I am pretty sure he won;t)
He doesn't and it will proceed with subpoenas (for the Apprentice Tapes and possibly more) and a deposition from Trump. (Just like Clinton with Paula Jones)
If he lies At the deposition, -- then he's toast.
If he doesn't he is toast.
Like Bob said:
"Mr. President - when did you stop beating your wife?"
Raine on 01/17/2017 21:00:26
Quote by trojanrabbit:
All I have to say is there BETTER be good evidence here. What we don't need is Cheetolini beating the rap because the case isn't there.
The suit isn't accusing him of Sexual Assault. The suit is claiming defamation due to comments he made about Summer. They are alleging damage and defamation. It's pretty brilliant, IMO
How this goes: He admits it-- Lawsuit Dropped. Not asking for money. HE's toast if he does (and I am pretty sure he won;t)
He doesn't and it will proceed with subpoenas (for the Apprentice Tapes and possibly more) and a deposition from Trump. (Just like Clinton with Paula Jones)
If he lies At the deposition, -- then he's toast.
If he doesn't he is toast.
Like Bob said:
"Mr. President - when did you stop beating your wife?"
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/17/2017 21:05:53
It's Alright if you are a Republican.
Mondobubba on 01/17/2017 21:05:53
Quote by Raine:Quote by trojanrabbit:
All I have to say is there BETTER be good evidence here. What we don't need is Cheetolini beating the rap because the case isn't there.
If he lies At the deposition, -- then he's toast.
If he doesn't he is toast.
Like Bob said:
"Mr. President - when did you stop beating your wife?"
It's Alright if you are a Republican.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/17/2017 21:15:28
Ms. Allred has a bigger brain then I do, would have never thought of any of that.
wickedpam on 01/17/2017 21:15:28
Quote by Raine:Quote by trojanrabbit:
All I have to say is there BETTER be good evidence here. What we don't need is Cheetolini beating the rap because the case isn't there.
The suit isn't accusing him of Sexual Assault. The suit is claiming defamation due to comments he made about Summer. They are alleging damage and defamation. It's pretty brilliant, IMO
How this goes: He admits it-- Lawsuit Dropped. Not asking for money. HE's toast if he does (and I am pretty sure he won;t)
He doesn't and it will proceed with subpoenas (for the Apprentice Tapes and possibly more) and a deposition from Trump. (Just like Clinton with Paula Jones)
If he lies At the deposition, -- then he's toast.
If he doesn't he is toast.
Like Bob said:
"Mr. President - when did you stop beating your wife?"
Ms. Allred has a bigger brain then I do, would have never thought of any of that.