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A Tale of Two Bills
Author: BobR
Date: 11/16/2017 14:13:03
There is no such thing as certainty when it comes to Congress. Both houses have their pet projects and their own constituencies. Members of the House answer to a specific district; Senators answer to their entire state. As such, getting both houses to agree on the specifics of a bill (that will pass despite opposition party votes) requires some compromise and negotiation.
Such is the situation with the dueling tax bills in the House and Senate. Both are claiming tax "reform" (translation: tax cuts for the rich, with the false implication that "regular" Americans are getting a break too), and both are ignoring the deficit - something they were so keen on when the Democrats were in charge.
Let's take a look at what is in the bills:
Additionally, the Senate version gets rid of the Individual Mandate (remember - that was a tax benefit for people who had insurance).
All of this will balloon the deficit by $1.5T over 10 years. That's trillion with a "T".
Back when the Dems were in control, the Republicans gnashed their teeth and wailed about special interest amendments. "Give us a clean bill" they demanded. Now that they're in charge? The "budget" bill has become an omnibus bill Trojan horse with hidden gems like providing rights for "unborn children" like making them eligible for a college fund. That's right - they take away the college loan interest deduction but add this as a backdoor way to overturn Roe v Wade.
The Republicans are also throwing the majority of Americans under the bus (by making their tax cuts temporary) so they can avoid the 60 vote requirement and use the budget reconciliation process instead.
So what's the status of these heinous bills? The House version seems likely to pass. However, as we've seen in the past, there is a very tight margin in the Senate. Once again, Susan Collins (R-ME) is one of the heroes, along with Ron Johnson (R-WI). McCain may be a holdout as well. This will get even more complicated as the two different bills have to be "merged" and passed by both houses.
The election in AL to fill Session's seat is going to become very important, as well as the 2018 election for the House and 1/3 of the Senate. It feels like we're all here with our fingers in the dyke, trying to hold back a flood. If you have a Republican congressman or senator, you need to let them know how you feel.
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Such is the situation with the dueling tax bills in the House and Senate. Both are claiming tax "reform" (translation: tax cuts for the rich, with the false implication that "regular" Americans are getting a break too), and both are ignoring the deficit - something they were so keen on when the Democrats were in charge.
Let's take a look at what is in the bills:
- Big Business gets big permanent tax breaks
- Small business gets tax breaks, although to a lesser extent
- Rich people get big tax breaks
- The estate tax (what RWers call the "Death Tax") goes away completely
- Average Americans get a small tax break (or none at all) that only lasts until 2023
- The following deductions disappear:
- Mortgage interest deduction (Senate version)
- State & local income tax deduction (House version)
- Electric vehicle deduction
- Medical expenses
- Tax preparation costs
- Moving expenses
- College loan interest
- Theft/loss
Additionally, the Senate version gets rid of the Individual Mandate (remember - that was a tax benefit for people who had insurance).
All of this will balloon the deficit by $1.5T over 10 years. That's trillion with a "T".
Back when the Dems were in control, the Republicans gnashed their teeth and wailed about special interest amendments. "Give us a clean bill" they demanded. Now that they're in charge? The "budget" bill has become an omnibus bill Trojan horse with hidden gems like providing rights for "unborn children" like making them eligible for a college fund. That's right - they take away the college loan interest deduction but add this as a backdoor way to overturn Roe v Wade.
The Republicans are also throwing the majority of Americans under the bus (by making their tax cuts temporary) so they can avoid the 60 vote requirement and use the budget reconciliation process instead.
So what's the status of these heinous bills? The House version seems likely to pass. However, as we've seen in the past, there is a very tight margin in the Senate. Once again, Susan Collins (R-ME) is one of the heroes, along with Ron Johnson (R-WI). McCain may be a holdout as well. This will get even more complicated as the two different bills have to be "merged" and passed by both houses.
The election in AL to fill Session's seat is going to become very important, as well as the 2018 election for the House and 1/3 of the Senate. It feels like we're all here with our fingers in the dyke, trying to hold back a flood. If you have a Republican congressman or senator, you need to let them know how you feel.
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 11/16/2017 14:58:16
wickedpam on 11/16/2017 14:58:16
Morning 
Thought I heard they were taking about the charity deduction too? I only get to use 3 deductions and it seems like they are taking them all away. Fully expect my taxes to go up, AND if they manage to repel the mandate on top of it, I expect my insurance to go up too.All this so corps can get a big tax cut and not reinvest in the US.
Thought I heard they were taking about the charity deduction too? I only get to use 3 deductions and it seems like they are taking them all away. Fully expect my taxes to go up, AND if they manage to repel the mandate on top of it, I expect my insurance to go up too.All this so corps can get a big tax cut and not reinvest in the US.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 11/16/2017 15:16:56
Mondobubba on 11/16/2017 15:16:56
In other news, Mala and I have figured out who Tim Minuchin and Louise Linton remind us of. Minerva & Darwin Mayflower the villains from "Hudson Hawk."
Comment by 
Raine on 11/16/2017 15:40:42
Good morning.
Raine on 11/16/2017 15:40:42
Good morning.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 11/16/2017 15:52:04
Scoopster on 11/16/2017 15:52:04
Mornin' all! 
When I saw that picture, it made me realize that these guys are probably stealing pallets of uncut mint bills with unrecorded serial numbers that will NEVER be detected as counterfeit.
Oh by the way, since the inauguration the value of the US Dollar on foreign exchange markets has dropped 9%. That's a MASSIVE deflationary swing.
When I saw that picture, it made me realize that these guys are probably stealing pallets of uncut mint bills with unrecorded serial numbers that will NEVER be detected as counterfeit.
Oh by the way, since the inauguration the value of the US Dollar on foreign exchange markets has dropped 9%. That's a MASSIVE deflationary swing.
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2017 16:04:53
Raine on 11/16/2017 16:04:53
This is a decent start...
Jason Kessler — the organizer of the August Unite the Right rally that drew various factions of the far right before devolving into violence that left one counterprotester dead in Charlottesville — was among those who said that the blue check mark was taken away from his account Wednesday.
Others who said they lost their verified status included the white nationalist Richard Spencer, far-right activists Laura Loomer and James Allsup, and Tommy Robinson, the host of a show on the fringe conservative site Rebel TV. Tim Gionet, an alt-right figurehead who went by the name Baked Alaska, was suspended from the service.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/16/2017 16:45:27
Oh Al...
Scoopster on 11/16/2017 16:45:27
Oh Al...
Comment by 
TriSec on 11/16/2017 16:53:58
TriSec on 11/16/2017 16:53:58
Morning, comrades.
TriSec is hosting Thanksgiving this year, so I have been busily wrangling recipes.
Since I etah Turkey on Thanksgiving, for the sole reason that everyone else is making one, I am going to hunt for a Capon instead.
This is the first one without Mum....but this was never a big holiday in our house(we always traveled or visited), so the loss is not especially keen.
TriSec is hosting Thanksgiving this year, so I have been busily wrangling recipes.
Since I etah Turkey on Thanksgiving, for the sole reason that everyone else is making one, I am going to hunt for a Capon instead.
This is the first one without Mum....but this was never a big holiday in our house(we always traveled or visited), so the loss is not especially keen.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/16/2017 17:04:53
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Mondobubba on 11/16/2017 17:04:53
Quote by Scoopster:
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Comment by 
BobR on 11/16/2017 17:07:14
BobR on 11/16/2017 17:07:14
Comment by wickedpam on 11/16/2017 17:15:27
Was there talk?
Heck I think this well timed release of this pic is the least of the things he's probably done. The man was part of SNL at the start, just sayin.
wickedpam on 11/16/2017 17:15:27
Quote by BobR:
So much for the "Al Franken for President" talk
Was there talk?
Heck I think this well timed release of this pic is the least of the things he's probably done. The man was part of SNL at the start, just sayin.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/16/2017 17:17:48
wickedpam on 11/16/2017 17:17:48
Comment by Scoopster on 11/16/2017 17:17:54
This thing today with Al Franken. I'm at a loss for words.
Scoopster on 11/16/2017 17:17:54
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
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This thing today with Al Franken. I'm at a loss for words.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/16/2017 17:27:03
Heh.. that's probably a fair point.
Scoopster on 11/16/2017 17:27:03
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by BobR:
So much for the "Al Franken for President" talk
Was there talk?
Heck I think this well timed release of this pic is the least of the things he's probably done. The man was part of SNL at the start, just sayin.
Heh.. that's probably a fair point.
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2017 17:54:48
Raine on 11/16/2017 17:54:48
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2017 18:10:22
Raine on 11/16/2017 18:10:22
Judge declares mistrial in bribery trial of Sen. Robert Menendez https://t.co/8h9DVhrtlw
— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) November 16, 2017
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/16/2017 18:11:07
Ya beat me to it.
Mondobubba on 11/16/2017 18:11:07
Quote by Raine:
Ya beat me to it.
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2017 18:13:57
I believe her and him.
Raine on 11/16/2017 18:13:57
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Ya beat me to it.
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2017 18:16:54
GDM it Conway. You work for a sexual predator!
Raine on 11/16/2017 18:16:54
Quote by Raine:
Oh dear god, this KAC makes me ill.
"I would talk to some of the members of Congress out there," she said. "When I was younger and prettier, them rubbing up against girls, sticking their tongues down women's throats uninvited who didn't like it."
Comment by Scoopster on 11/16/2017 18:43:59
Scoopster on 11/16/2017 18:43:59
"People make mistakes," Leeann Tweeden says of Sen. Al Franken. "I'm not calling for him to step down." https://t.co/trFWvB71oN pic.twitter.com/x0UJeoG7Kh
— CBS News (@CBSNews) November 16, 2017
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2017 18:49:39
Is it wrong that I want to hear from the person who took that photo of Franken and the hear from the other people on the plane?
What he did on the plane was seen by other people.
Raine on 11/16/2017 18:49:39
Quote by Scoopster:"People make mistakes," Leeann Tweeden says of Sen. Al Franken. "I'm not calling for him to step down." https://t.co/trFWvB71oN pic.twitter.com/x0UJeoG7Kh
— CBS News (@CBSNews) November 16, 2017
Is it wrong that I want to hear from the person who took that photo of Franken and the hear from the other people on the plane?
What he did on the plane was seen by other people.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/16/2017 18:55:24
Nope, I would too.
I will say this tho - both Franken and Tweeden have taken the high road today in their statements to the press. You can't say the same for that bovine geezer from Alabama.
Scoopster on 11/16/2017 18:55:24
Quote by Raine:
Is it wrong that I want to hear from the person who took that photo of Franken and then hear from the other people on the plane?
What he did on the plane was seen by other people.
Nope, I would too.
I will say this tho - both Franken and Tweeden have taken the high road today in their statements to the press. You can't say the same for that bovine geezer from Alabama.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/16/2017 18:59:09
I think its fair to want to hear from the others in the room. I believe them both and I like that they Franken realizes he needs to be better then this and do better.
wickedpam on 11/16/2017 18:59:09
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
Is it wrong that I want to hear from the person who took that photo of Franken and then hear from the other people on the plane?
What he did on the plane was seen by other people.
Nope, I would too.
I will say this tho - both Franken and Tweeden have taken the high road today in their statements to the press. You can't say the same for that bovine geezer from Alabama.
I think its fair to want to hear from the others in the room. I believe them both and I like that they Franken realizes he needs to be better then this and do better.
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2017 19:03:43
That is why I said I am with her and him. Accepting responsibility and accepting that behavior needs to change is something I and many others) want from more men.
We are asking for people who behave this way to take a look at themselves, and I hope that doesn't make me a hypocrite. This is the logical next step now that women and victims are speaking out.
I want to allow for the change in thinking that this behavior is wrong.
I wish Louis CK didn't use the work 'D*ck* in his apology, I deeply wish he didn't because it diminished what he was saying. That said, he accepted responsibility.
Accept and change the things they have the ability to change. I will never accept what they did as acceptable.
I Will accept change in the lens of perception.
Raine on 11/16/2017 19:03:43
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
Is it wrong that I want to hear from the person who took that photo of Franken and then hear from the other people on the plane?
What he did on the plane was seen by other people.
Nope, I would too.
I will say this tho - both Franken and Tweeden have taken the high road today in their statements to the press. You can't say the same for that bovine geezer from Alabama.
We are asking for people who behave this way to take a look at themselves, and I hope that doesn't make me a hypocrite. This is the logical next step now that women and victims are speaking out.
I want to allow for the change in thinking that this behavior is wrong.
I wish Louis CK didn't use the work 'D*ck* in his apology, I deeply wish he didn't because it diminished what he was saying. That said, he accepted responsibility.
Accept and change the things they have the ability to change. I will never accept what they did as acceptable.
I Will accept change in the lens of perception.
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2017 19:29:14
Raine on 11/16/2017 19:29:14
I missed this on Tuesday!
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2017 20:27:46
Raine on 11/16/2017 20:27:46
I am going to share something -- and I will preface this with the fact that I know we will never agree, and I do find my friend to have grown up to be a racist even well-meaning. I was happy enough for him to acknowledge something. Read this to the end.
The Said friend posted this story with the following tagline: (for some reason it popped up in my top stories TL on FB, strange)
Oklahoma woman who married mother after two 'hit it off' pleads guilty to incest
This is the new culture the leftist kooks want for America.
(the follwing is our exchange.)
The Said friend posted this story with the following tagline: (for some reason it popped up in my top stories TL on FB, strange)
Oklahoma woman who married mother after two 'hit it off' pleads guilty to incest
This is the new culture the leftist kooks want for America.
(the follwing is our exchange.)
Me: No, we don't.
we should all be allowed to call this hot mess of dysfunction as abhorrent.
I think both left and right can agree that this is immoral, abusive adn something that is rejected.
Why would you assume that people on the left would support such a story, Ron?
Why would you think I would?
Friend: I believe we had a conversation similar to this when the definition of marriage was changed. Then I said it was a slippery slope. Shouldn’t everyone be allowed to marry who they want at this point? It’s only fair. Where is your compassion and humanity after all. “Hot mess of dysfunction?†And who created that I wonder? Not a conservative that’s for sure. Who stands with men who look down, see their penis and think their a woman? Who stands for the white woman identifying as an African American woman?What about the white guy who now identifies as a Philippine woman? What about men peeing with little girls? Who stands for drag queens reading stories to kindergarten kids? And we can’t forget the transabled too, identifying as someone with a disability such as a missing arm and has it AMPUTATED by a doctor? (Paid for by the taxpayer no doubt) Who stands for murdering 3,000 babies each day and selling their body parts for profit? I don’t stand for any of this. Conservatives conserve those things which history has proven time and again to be best for the human condition. The above mentioned nonsense is quite the opposite.
Me: This story is not about same-sex marriage. This story is incest and illegalities thereof. It's about a lot of serious issues that have nothing to do with what I surmise you might think it is.
You brought up a lot of issues that I did not.
My question was why would you think people like myself (a liberal) would want incestuous marriage for America? We're the ones out there railing against an alleged pedophile running for Senate in Alabama.
The point I was trying to make is that you might want to dial back on what you think are 'leftist kooks' and try understanding that we are not about repressing children. We don't advocate incest. I'd like to believe this story is universally agreed upon that it is disgusting, it's not left or right. It's not liberal or conservative -- it's disgusting and people will (as they should) go to jail for it.
One more thing, please don't question my humanity. My Humanity was tested the night my father attacked my mother and the police took them away in cop cars. You restored my humanity when you cam to pick me up that night. IT was the summer of 1985. you and your parents took me in that night and you didn't judge me for the sins of my family life.
Why would you judge me now for daring to disagree with you?
Friend: Why would I think liberals would want incestuous marriage in America? Because they are for all the other immoral issues I brought up. One feeds off the other. The wheel has been set in motion for even more degrading of society. Some professors are pushing to make pedophilia just another sexual orientation. Open up the door and everything will be legitimized as normal.
As far as Roy Moore goes, i have read your posts and am so sorry to hear of your own experience as it relates to this however this particular situation is nothing more than a political hit job from McConnell and the boys. Why do you think there is only a dozen real conservatives in all of DC? Just because someone says something does not make it true. If they said it of bill Clinton we could agree because it fits his character but not in this case. I will wait and see. The legitimacy of the yearbook tells the story for me.
You are right in one respect and I will take your advice to heart. I should dial it back. I am playing into the divisiveness of the times and it does no one any good. A quick hit of dopamine and off to the next solves nothing. We have raised 3 beautiful girls that are going to be handed off this mess. If it wasn’t for that I would probably sit back with a coots light and bowl of popcorn and not give a shit.
As far as that phrase about compassion and humanity, I was throwing that back as it is used against us when we take issue with immigration and refugees. It was meant sarcastically and nothing else.
You and I had a very special bond and I would do anything I could for you back then as I would now. Our childhood and upbringing played a big part in shaping our worldview I am sure. and here we are.
We can at least agree on the fact that we dislike trump. That’s at least something anyway.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/16/2017 20:37:44
There was this link in the middle of the story from Oklahoma in your post, Raine.
What the fuck is wrong with you people?
Mondobubba on 11/16/2017 20:37:44
There was this link in the middle of the story from Oklahoma in your post, Raine.
OKLAHOMA CITY TO RENAME SCHOOLS NAMED AFTER CONFEDERATE GENERALS
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2017 20:41:58
I think people are just becoming spiteful just to be spiteful at this point. We are fast becoming a nation of assholes.
Raine on 11/16/2017 20:41:58
Quote by Mondobubba:
There was this link in the middle of the story from Oklahoma in your post, Raine.What the fuck is wrong with you people?OKLAHOMA CITY TO RENAME SCHOOLS NAMED AFTER CONFEDERATE GENERALS
Comment by Scoopster on 11/16/2017 20:52:52
Scoopster on 11/16/2017 20:52:52
So hmm... one of Roger Stone's sockpuppet accounts on Twitter was posting about this Al Franken story last night. It didn't hit the news until 12 hours later.
I smell a rat.
I smell a rat.
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2017 20:53:54
WHAT? What account? Do tell....
Raine on 11/16/2017 20:53:54
Quote by Scoopster:
So hmm... one of Roger Stone's suckpuppet accounts on Twitter was posting about this Al Franken story last night. It didn't hit the news until 12 hours later.
I smell a rat.
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2017 20:54:59
Raine on 11/16/2017 20:54:59
I found it!
CHECK IT OUT: Roger Stone knew about the Franken scandal LAST NIGHT before midnight. Somethin' smells mighty fishy, don't it? pic.twitter.com/k5N7YuVvLi
— Tea Pain (@TeaPainUSA) November 16, 2017
Comment by Scoopster on 11/16/2017 21:06:25
Scoopster on 11/16/2017 21:06:25
Yep that's the one..
This doesn't dumb down the fact that this stuff did happen. Al's pretty much admitted that it did & held himself accountable in the most strenuous way I've EVER seen ANY politician do.
What it does is raise lots of questions - how'd he know, who told him, what's the real goal behind getting it out in the news..
We're less than a month from the AL special election. The GOP has lots of time to recover from this Roy Moore mess. This seems like a pretty strong first step in that direction.
This doesn't dumb down the fact that this stuff did happen. Al's pretty much admitted that it did & held himself accountable in the most strenuous way I've EVER seen ANY politician do.
What it does is raise lots of questions - how'd he know, who told him, what's the real goal behind getting it out in the news..
We're less than a month from the AL special election. The GOP has lots of time to recover from this Roy Moore mess. This seems like a pretty strong first step in that direction.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/16/2017 21:07:24
Yeah, spite is always an option. Oklahoma has long been a hotbed of assholes. Also as an asshole, I really object to that kind of assholery.
Mondobubba on 11/16/2017 21:07:24
Quote by Raine:I think people are just becoming spiteful just to be spiteful at this point. We are fast becoming a nation of assholes.Quote by Mondobubba:
There was this link in the middle of the story from Oklahoma in your post, Raine.What the fuck is wrong with you people?OKLAHOMA CITY TO RENAME SCHOOLS NAMED AFTER CONFEDERATE GENERALS
Yeah, spite is always an option. Oklahoma has long been a hotbed of assholes. Also as an asshole, I really object to that kind of assholery.
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2017 21:14:13
I REALLY hate saying this, but I agree.
Stone is a Ratf *cker of the first degree.
Raine on 11/16/2017 21:14:13
Quote by Scoopster:
Yep that's the one..
This doesn't dumb down the fact that this stuff did happen. Al's pretty much admitted that it did & held himself accountable in the most strenuous way I've EVER seen ANY politician do.
What it does is raise lots of questions - how'd he know, who told him, what's the real goal behind getting it out in the news..
We're less than a month from the AL special election. The GOP has lots of time to recover from this Roy Moore mess. This seems like a pretty strong first step in that direction.
Stone is a Ratf *cker of the first degree.
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2017 21:17:18
HE's a self proclaimed ratf*cker.
Am I the only one who has seen the netflix Doc about him?
Raine on 11/16/2017 21:17:18
Quote by Raine:I REALLY hate saying this, but I agree.Quote by Scoopster:
Yep that's the one..
This doesn't dumb down the fact that this stuff did happen. Al's pretty much admitted that it did & held himself accountable in the most strenuous way I've EVER seen ANY politician do.
What it does is raise lots of questions - how'd he know, who told him, what's the real goal behind getting it out in the news..
We're less than a month from the AL special election. The GOP has lots of time to recover from this Roy Moore mess. This seems like a pretty strong first step in that direction.
Stone is a Ratf *cker of the first degree.
Am I the only one who has seen the netflix Doc about him?
Comment by BobR on 11/16/2017 21:39:14
I don't understand your comment... the schools are doing the right thing.
BobR on 11/16/2017 21:39:14
Quote by Mondobubba:
There was this link in the middle of the story from Oklahoma in your post, Raine.What the fuck is wrong with you people?OKLAHOMA CITY TO RENAME SCHOOLS NAMED AFTER CONFEDERATE GENERALS
I don't understand your comment... the schools are doing the right thing.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/16/2017 21:43:32
My bad. Misread it. Mistakes were made, things happened. Nothing to see here.
Thanks, Bobber.
Mondobubba on 11/16/2017 21:43:32
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
There was this link in the middle of the story from Oklahoma in your post, Raine.What the fuck is wrong with you people?OKLAHOMA CITY TO RENAME SCHOOLS NAMED AFTER CONFEDERATE GENERALS
I don't understand your comment... the schools are doing the right thing.
My bad. Misread it. Mistakes were made, things happened. Nothing to see here.
Thanks, Bobber.
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2017 22:28:38
Raine on 11/16/2017 22:28:38
Something seems off.
This woman is not accusing him of sexual harrassment. This woman is a serious RW conservative and this comes after we find out that Stone likely knew this was going to come out today -- last night.
This woman is not accusing him of sexual harrassment. This woman is a serious RW conservative and this comes after we find out that Stone likely knew this was going to come out today -- last night.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/16/2017 22:41:54
I didn't even know it existed. Guess I know what I'll be hunting down tonite.
Mitch has been VERY quick to call out Moore. It's totally out of character for him. He ALWAYS is the first and foremost to stand in the way of anything that could harm someone in his party.
That combined with the Roger Stone thing has me thinking that the GOP is about to dump its entire opp research file in regards to anything involving inappropriate sexual behavior.
Scoopster on 11/16/2017 22:41:54
Quote by Raine:HE's a self proclaimed ratf*cker.Quote by Raine:I REALLY hate saying this, but I agree.Quote by Scoopster:
Yep that's the one..
This doesn't dumb down the fact that this stuff did happen. Al's pretty much admitted that it did & held himself accountable in the most strenuous way I've EVER seen ANY politician do.
What it does is raise lots of questions - how'd he know, who told him, what's the real goal behind getting it out in the news..
We're less than a month from the AL special election. The GOP has lots of time to recover from this Roy Moore mess. This seems like a pretty strong first step in that direction.
Stone is a Ratf *cker of the first degree.
Am I the only one who has seen the netflix Doc about him?
I didn't even know it existed. Guess I know what I'll be hunting down tonite.
Mitch has been VERY quick to call out Moore. It's totally out of character for him. He ALWAYS is the first and foremost to stand in the way of anything that could harm someone in his party.
That combined with the Roger Stone thing has me thinking that the GOP is about to dump its entire opp research file in regards to anything involving inappropriate sexual behavior.
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2017 23:49:03
IT's called 'Get Me Roger Stone'
here's the trailer. the film was really very good and informative.
Raine on 11/16/2017 23:49:03
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:HE's a self proclaimed ratf*cker.Quote by Raine:I REALLY hate saying this, but I agree.Quote by Scoopster:
Yep that's the one..
This doesn't dumb down the fact that this stuff did happen. Al's pretty much admitted that it did & held himself accountable in the most strenuous way I've EVER seen ANY politician do.
What it does is raise lots of questions - how'd he know, who told him, what's the real goal behind getting it out in the news..
We're less than a month from the AL special election. The GOP has lots of time to recover from this Roy Moore mess. This seems like a pretty strong first step in that direction.
Stone is a Ratf *cker of the first degree.
Am I the only one who has seen the netflix Doc about him?
I didn't even know it existed. Guess I know what I'll be hunting down tonite.
Mitch has been VERY quick to call out Moore. It's totally out of character for him. He ALWAYS is the first and foremost to stand in the way of anything that could harm someone in his party.
That combined with the Roger Stone thing has me thinking that the GOP is about to dump its entire opp research file in regards to anything involving inappropriate sexual behavior.
here's the trailer. the film was really very good and informative.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2017 03:16:16
Raine on 11/17/2017 03:16:16
So the immortalizer in chief had something to say about Al Franken and NOTHING about Roy more.
The Al Frankenstien picture is really bad, speaks a thousand words. Where do his hands go in pictures 2, 3, 4, 5 & 6 while she sleeps? .....
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 17, 2017