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Ask a Vet
Author: TriSec
Date: 09/30/2008 10:37:39
Good Morning.
Today is our 2,022nd day in Iraq.
We'll start as we always do, with the latest casualty reports, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4175
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4036
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3714
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3309
Since Election (1/31/05): 2729
Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 314
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 605
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 377
Contractor Deaths - Iraq: 444
We find this morning's cost of war passing through $ 558, 431, 900, 000.00
As it's been reported in this space, the RNC is working hard to disenfranchise voters in many states via unscrupulous means. But when they cast their net, they also hauled in many veterans, some disabled and in VA hospitals. Is this what they were fighting for? IAVA has filed a brief in Ohio in an attempt to protect the voting rights of veterans.
Also this week, another member of IAVA appeared before the House Veterans Affairs Committee to present testimony concerning the increasing number of military suicides.
Meanwhile, I continue to try to vet Sarah Palin. One of my favorite sites, "On the Issues" continues to expand and list more things about the Governor. Some of this has been posted here before, but some of the information is new.
Sarah Palin on Foreign Policy
* Visiting injured soldiers in Germany was trip of a lifetime. (Sep 2008)
* Get Ukraine into NATO, and maybe Georgia. (Sep 2008)
* Peace Corps strengthens US ties abroad & enriches US at home. (Jan 2007)
Sarah Palin on War & Peace
* Nuclear Iran is dangerous to whole world. (Sep 2008)
* Russia's invading Georgia, unprovoked, is unacceptable. (Sep 2008)
* No new Cold War with Russia. (Sep 2008)
* Don't go to war over Georgia, but pressure Russia. (Sep 2008)
* Don't second-guess Israel if they act against nukes in Iran. (Sep 2008)
* Keep option to go into Pakistan to go after terrorists. (Sep 2008)
* McCain: She has right judgment on Iran and the surge. (Aug 2008)
* Visited Alaska National Guard troops in Kuwait. (Aug 2008)
* We don't know what the plan is to ever end the war. (Aug 2008)
* Wants exit plan; also assurances to keep our troops safe. (Mar 2007)
* We have not been attacked since 2001; so support our troops. (Oct 2006)
* I support the mission of our troops in Iraq. (Oct 2006)
* Our troops in Iraq keep us safe at home. (Oct 2006)
* I support President Bush's efforts to stop terrorism. (Oct 2006)
Sarah continues her debate prep; it's going to be an interesting Thursday evening.
Today is our 2,022nd day in Iraq.
We'll start as we always do, with the latest casualty reports, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4175
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4036
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3714
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3309
Since Election (1/31/05): 2729
Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 314
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 605
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 377
Contractor Deaths - Iraq: 444
We find this morning's cost of war passing through $ 558, 431, 900, 000.00
As it's been reported in this space, the RNC is working hard to disenfranchise voters in many states via unscrupulous means. But when they cast their net, they also hauled in many veterans, some disabled and in VA hospitals. Is this what they were fighting for? IAVA has filed a brief in Ohio in an attempt to protect the voting rights of veterans.
NEW YORK - In an amicus brief filed today, Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA), the nation's first and largest nonpartisan group for Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, asked the Ohio State Supreme Court to reject a last minute legal challenge that could disrupt the voting process and potentially nullify the votes of thousands of Ohio residents, including thousands of veterans in VA hospitals and deployed military personnel.
The fight centers on an Ohio law which requires a citizen to be registered to vote for 30 days in order to be an eligible voter on Election Day. The existing interpretation of this law finds that registering to vote and requesting and submitting an absentee ballot at the same time is legal as long as it takes place at least 30 days before Election Day. A lawsuit brought against the Secretary of State earlier this month by two individuals argues that 30 days must occur between registering to vote and receiving an absentee ballot, seeking to prevent the two actions from occurring simultaneously. If the court finds in the plaintiff's favor, thousands of veterans and active duty troops could be disenfranchised.
"Disenfranchising our brave men and women in uniform is unpatriotic and un-American," said Paul Rieckhoff, Executive Director of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA). "This lawsuit threatens to deny our servicemembers the very freedoms they are fighting so hard to defend. IAVA demands that the court reject this last minute, politically-motivated ploy that could block the votes of our troops and veterans."
In the brief filed today, IAVA highlighted this issue by stating, "the lawsuit at issue challenges registration and absentee voting procedures that both Republican and Democratic Secretaries of State have historically implemented without incident."
Siding with Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, IAVA holds that Ohio law permits voters to register to vote by October 6th and to cast an absentee ballot any time after September 30. As a result, during this week-long window from September 30th through October 6th, voters can register to vote and cast an absentee ballot on the same day. The brief points out that the consequences of this suit would not only impede absentee voters during the 7-day overlap period but "actually would threaten far more sweeping harms that would impact many first-time voters, both absentee and in-person, including significant numbers of military personnel and disabled veterans who depend on absentee voting."
"Ohioans have made tremendous sacrifices in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Since September 11th more than 46,000 of the state's sons and daughters have deployed," said Rieckhoff. "We owe these and all servicemembers an absentee voting process that is fair, predictable, and clear."
Also this week, another member of IAVA appeared before the House Veterans Affairs Committee to present testimony concerning the increasing number of military suicides.
Here is the Testimony I submitted to the House Veterans Affairs Sub-Committee on Health. It deals primarily with the VA’s accompanying outreach to their suicide prevention hot line.
Mr. Chairman, ranking member and distinguished members of the committee, on behalf of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, and our more than 100,000 members nationwide, I thank you for the opportunity to submit written testimony regarding veteran suicide, and the Department of Veterans Affairs’ outreach efforts.
Since the beginning of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, we have witnessed a dramatic upswing in suicide rates among troops on active-duty and veterans. In 2006, the suicide rate for active-duty soldiers reached its highest level in decades, with 97 Army suicides. In 2007, this disturbing trend escalated beyond all expectations to 115. And just last week, it was revealed that the suicides among active-duty soldiers in 2008 are likely to be even higher, as there have been 62 confirmed and 31 suspected suicides already this year. Tragically, for the first time since the Vietnam War, the Army suicide rate is on track to exceed that of the civilian population.
While the rate of military suicides is closely monitored, the VA only just recently began tracking the suicide rate for veterans. From 2002 - 2005, 141 veterans who left the service after September 11, 2001 took their own lives. In 2006 alone, there were 113 suicides among Iraq and Afghanistan-era veterans. The suicide rate for male veterans ages 18-29 in 2006 was about 46 suicides per 100,000, compared with about 20 suicides per 100,000 for their nonveteran peers. And these are just the cases that are being tracked by the VA. For veterans of all generations, data on suicide is equally troubling. While veterans make up only 13% of the U.S. population, they account for 20% of the suicides. As evidenced by these statistics, suicide is likely to be a long term problem for veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Multiple tours, inadequate dwell time between tours, strained relationships, and financial difficulties have all contributed to the rising rate of suicide among active-duty troops and veterans. Mental health injuries are also a major risk factor. According to a RAND study, 300,000 of the 1.7 million veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan will develop combat-related mental health issues. Many of these cases will go untreated, and if allowed, develop into severe Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
Suicide is the end result of multiple failures in our military and veterans’ mental health care systems. Inadequate mental health screening upon redeployment, professional and personal stigma attached to mental health care, and inadequate VA outreach have brought us to this crisis, with little to no end in sight.
The establishment of the VA suicide hotline last year was a critical first step in reversing this trend, and with over 55,000 calls received, it is clear that the VA moving in the right direction in getting the message out about this service. The success of the VA hotline is admirable and we applaud them for making this toll-free hotline available to veterans in need. But with the hotline averaging 250 calls per day from troubled veterans and concerned family members, it is clear that more needs to be done to reach out to vulnerable veterans and get them the help they desperately need.
The VA is currently testing outreach advertisements in the Washington, DC region. While these efforts are necessary, the execution leaves much to be desired. Appearing on buses and trains, these print ads do not adequately relate to veterans of this conflict and are not as effective as they could be. The silhouette employed in the ad is clearly not of a modern soldier, and the ad itself blends into the background of ads that litter our public transportation system. It is clear that while the VA had the right idea with their outreach efforts, they have not done sufficient advertising research to connect with veterans of the current conflicts.
Meanwhile, I continue to try to vet Sarah Palin. One of my favorite sites, "On the Issues" continues to expand and list more things about the Governor. Some of this has been posted here before, but some of the information is new.
Sarah Palin on Foreign Policy
* Visiting injured soldiers in Germany was trip of a lifetime. (Sep 2008)
* Get Ukraine into NATO, and maybe Georgia. (Sep 2008)
* Peace Corps strengthens US ties abroad & enriches US at home. (Jan 2007)
Sarah Palin on War & Peace
* Nuclear Iran is dangerous to whole world. (Sep 2008)
* Russia's invading Georgia, unprovoked, is unacceptable. (Sep 2008)
* No new Cold War with Russia. (Sep 2008)
* Don't go to war over Georgia, but pressure Russia. (Sep 2008)
* Don't second-guess Israel if they act against nukes in Iran. (Sep 2008)
* Keep option to go into Pakistan to go after terrorists. (Sep 2008)
* McCain: She has right judgment on Iran and the surge. (Aug 2008)
* Visited Alaska National Guard troops in Kuwait. (Aug 2008)
* We don't know what the plan is to ever end the war. (Aug 2008)
* Wants exit plan; also assurances to keep our troops safe. (Mar 2007)
* We have not been attacked since 2001; so support our troops. (Oct 2006)
* I support the mission of our troops in Iraq. (Oct 2006)
* Our troops in Iraq keep us safe at home. (Oct 2006)
* I support President Bush's efforts to stop terrorism. (Oct 2006)
Sarah continues her debate prep; it's going to be an interesting Thursday evening.
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Comment by 
Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 11:58:45
Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 11:58:45
Great post as always Tri.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 09/30/2008 12:19:47
wickedpam on 09/30/2008 12:19:47
MOrning :hug:
Trying to figure out who is on with Bill Press right now - he seems to believe that most families have more they 200k in the bank. I think he might want to double check those stats.
Trying to figure out who is on with Bill Press right now - he seems to believe that most families have more they 200k in the bank. I think he might want to double check those stats.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 09/30/2008 12:25:31
Scoopster on 09/30/2008 12:25:31
Morning all! I'm gonna be scarce today since it's the end of the month, but here's something my boss sent me that should help you shake your
Comment by 
m-hadley on 09/30/2008 12:26:42
m-hadley on 09/30/2008 12:26:42
Mala,
I am still listening to NPR, which has brought me the news that Sarah Palin can only come up with one Supreme Court case (Roe v. Wade), and that appalled me. Me, I've barely got 5 large in the bank, a little bit more - now less- in a 401(K). Who the hell has 200 grand in a savings account? Nobody I know... Hope you are doing well.
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
I am still listening to NPR, which has brought me the news that Sarah Palin can only come up with one Supreme Court case (Roe v. Wade), and that appalled me. Me, I've barely got 5 large in the bank, a little bit more - now less- in a 401(K). Who the hell has 200 grand in a savings account? Nobody I know... Hope you are doing well.
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by wickedpam on 09/30/2008 12:34:03
wickedpam on 09/30/2008 12:34:03
wow - she really is narrow of thought isn't she.
I mean I can name a few even is I don't recall all the details of the cases I know they are important
Dredd Scott
Brown vs the Board of Education
Marbury vs madison
Miranda
NYT vs US
I mean I can name a few even is I don't recall all the details of the cases I know they are important
Dredd Scott
Brown vs the Board of Education
Marbury vs madison
Miranda
NYT vs US
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 12:51:06
Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 12:51:06
WPA now WPA tomorrow WPA forever
Comment by 
TriSec on 09/30/2008 12:51:56
TriSec on 09/30/2008 12:51:56
Scoop, that doesn't help change the image that "jazz is the soundtrack of the liberal elite" now, does it?
<-- 4F Trio
<-- 4F Trio
Comment by 
Raine on 09/30/2008 12:59:50
Raine on 09/30/2008 12:59:50
Good Morning!
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 13:00:47
Can I play the drums?
Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 13:00:47
Quote by TriSec:
Scoop, that doesn't help change the image that "jazz is the soundtrack of the liberal elite" now, does it?
Can I play the drums?
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 13:01:38
Amen Grump!!!
Raine on 09/30/2008 13:01:38
Quote by Grumpymann:
WPA now WPA tomorrow WPA forever
Amen Grump!!!
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 13:09:24
Money dose not make money unless money moves.
The rich DO NOT SPEND MONEY.
People that have stable jobs do.
Give the citizens a job makeing money SPENDING MONEY and you will be SHOCKED how fast this thing crisis goes the way of the GOP.
The WPA did that once and it can do it AGAIN!
Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 13:09:24
Quote by Raine:Quote by Grumpymann:
WPA now WPA tomorrow WPA forever
Amen Grump!!!
Money dose not make money unless money moves.
The rich DO NOT SPEND MONEY.
People that have stable jobs do.
Give the citizens a job makeing money SPENDING MONEY and you will be SHOCKED how fast this thing crisis goes the way of the GOP.
The WPA did that once and it can do it AGAIN!
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 13:10:12
Money dose not make money unless money moves.
The rich DO NOT SPEND MONEY.
People that have stable jobs do.
Give the citizens a job makeing money SPENDING MONEY and you will be SHOCKED how fast this thing crisis goes the way of the GOP.
The WPA did that once and it can do it AGAIN!
Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 13:10:12
Quote by Raine:Quote by Grumpymann:
WPA now WPA tomorrow WPA forever
Amen Grump!!!
Money dose not make money unless money moves.
The rich DO NOT SPEND MONEY.
People that have stable jobs do.
Give the citizens a job makeing money SPENDING MONEY and you will be SHOCKED how fast this thing crisis goes the way of the GOP.
The WPA did that once and it can do it AGAIN!
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 13:12:16
Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 13:12:16
We ARE NOT suffering from the same crisis as Leamn Brothers!
They are having a problem BORROWING MONEY to make money!
We are have a problem getting money TO LIVE!
They are having a problem BORROWING MONEY to make money!
We are have a problem getting money TO LIVE!
Comment by TriSec on 09/30/2008 13:14:03
TriSec on 09/30/2008 13:14:03
Hmm...you might be onto something there, Grump.
If we resurrect the WPA and put them to work rebuilding our infrastructure, that would be good for everyone. Given the sorry state of most of our National and State parks, a revamped CCC might also be useful.
I bet it would cost less than that $700 billion they want to give to Wall Street.
If we resurrect the WPA and put them to work rebuilding our infrastructure, that would be good for everyone. Given the sorry state of most of our National and State parks, a revamped CCC might also be useful.
I bet it would cost less than that $700 billion they want to give to Wall Street.
Comment by 
Shane-O on 09/30/2008 13:18:28
Shane-O on 09/30/2008 13:18:28
Squeezy:
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 13:21:02
Raine on 09/30/2008 13:21:02
For those that missed it last night, this is part of the interview with Katie and Sarah. Evidently, John MCCain has to speak for her now too.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/30/2008 13:22:47
wickedpam on 09/30/2008 13:22:47
Allison Hanighan? Isn't that Willow from Buffy?
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 13:24:55
Thank you Tri.
Why is it that I can see it (Me not being the smartest person in the world).
You can see the good of it.
But Pols can't?
Welfare to work was and is a great idea.
If it was not a training program to make people WAGE SLAVES to some company!
Screw the idea of trying to put people to work in some underpaid wage slave job.
PUT THE COUNTRY BACK TO WORK FIXING THE INFRASTRUCTURE!
Stop trying to let Corporations drive down wages!
PUT THIS COUNTRY BACK TO WORK FIXING THIS FUCKING COUNTRY!
Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 13:24:55
Quote by TriSec:
Hmm...you might be onto something there, Grump.
If we resurrect the WPA and put them to work rebuilding our infrastructure, that would be good for everyone. Given the sorry state of most of our National and State parks, a revamped CCC might also be useful.
I bet it would cost less than that $700 billion they want to give to Wall Street.
Why is it that I can see it (Me not being the smartest person in the world).
You can see the good of it.
But Pols can't?
Welfare to work was and is a great idea.
If it was not a training program to make people WAGE SLAVES to some company!
Screw the idea of trying to put people to work in some underpaid wage slave job.
PUT THE COUNTRY BACK TO WORK FIXING THE INFRASTRUCTURE!
Stop trying to let Corporations drive down wages!
PUT THIS COUNTRY BACK TO WORK FIXING THIS FUCKING COUNTRY!
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 09/30/2008 13:28:21
velveeta jones on 09/30/2008 13:28:21
Morning all!
First and foremost, a public THANK YOU to my teenage boss.
I now have Thursday off! :clap:
And I didn't even have to threaten her! WOOT.
Second: Great post TriSec. Love the palin quotes. Unbelievable!
And Lastly, This bailout/rescue. Here's an idea. Bail us out! Each American would receive close to $600,000 after taxes! We'd each be able to bail ourselves out. Pay our mortgages, pay off our CC debt..... Married couple would have close to $1 Million.
First and foremost, a public THANK YOU to my teenage boss.
I now have Thursday off! :clap:And I didn't even have to threaten her! WOOT.
Second: Great post TriSec. Love the palin quotes. Unbelievable!
And Lastly, This bailout/rescue. Here's an idea. Bail us out! Each American would receive close to $600,000 after taxes! We'd each be able to bail ourselves out. Pay our mortgages, pay off our CC debt..... Married couple would have close to $1 Million.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/30/2008 13:32:26
Yes it is.. also the band camp girl.
And she's quite the dish too :wub2:
Scoopster on 09/30/2008 13:32:26
Quote by wickedpam:
Allison Hanighan? Isn't that Willow from Buffy?
Yes it is.. also the band camp girl.
And she's quite the dish too :wub2:
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 13:33:58
Raine on 09/30/2008 13:33:58
:party: For VJ's Teenage Boss! 
Comment by wickedpam on 09/30/2008 13:34:10
Steph called her a pundit, must be 2 of them :scratchhead:
wickedpam on 09/30/2008 13:34:10
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:
Allison Hanighan? Isn't that Willow from Buffy?
Yes it is.. also the band camp girl.
And she's quite the dish too :wub2:
Steph called her a pundit, must be 2 of them :scratchhead:
Comment by Shane-O on 09/30/2008 13:37:24
Too bad the guest will probably be Ellis Henican... :(
Shane-O on 09/30/2008 13:37:24
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:
Allison Hanighan? Isn't that Willow from Buffy?
Yes it is.. also the band camp girl.
And she's quite the dish too :wub2:
Steph called her a pundit, must be 2 of them :scratchhead:
Too bad the guest will probably be Ellis Henican... :(
Comment by wickedpam on 09/30/2008 13:38:15
:doh:
wickedpam on 09/30/2008 13:38:15
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:
Allison Hanighan? Isn't that Willow from Buffy?
Yes it is.. also the band camp girl.
And she's quite the dish too :wub2:
Steph called her a pundit, must be 2 of them :scratchhead:
Too bad the guest will probably be Ellis Henican... :(
:doh:
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/30/2008 13:40:55
velveeta jones on 09/30/2008 13:40:55
So......... W. You're telling us that with this bailout we'll all get reimbursed? Is this similar to how Iraq was going to pay for the war? Hmmmm?
<_<
<_<
Comment by Shane-O on 09/30/2008 13:41:47
I'd prefer Allison -- probably be more fun (but Ellis is pretty cool -- he regularly smacks down Fox "News" shmucks)
Shane-O on 09/30/2008 13:41:47
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Shane-O:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:
Allison Hanighan? Isn't that Willow from Buffy?
Yes it is.. also the band camp girl.
And she's quite the dish too :wub2:
Steph called her a pundit, must be 2 of them :scratchhead:
Too bad the guest will probably be Ellis Henican... :(
:doh:
I'd prefer Allison -- probably be more fun (but Ellis is pretty cool -- he regularly smacks down Fox "News" shmucks)
Comment by Scoopster on 09/30/2008 13:48:31
Why not team them up - one's easy on the mind, the other on the eyes. ;)
Scoopster on 09/30/2008 13:48:31
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Shane-O:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:
Allison Hanighan? Isn't that Willow from Buffy?
Yes it is.. also the band camp girl.
And she's quite the dish too :wub2:
Steph called her a pundit, must be 2 of them :scratchhead:
Too bad the guest will probably be Ellis Henican... :(
:doh:
I'd prefer Allison -- probably be more fun (but Ellis is pretty cool -- he regularly smacks down Fox "News" shmucks)
Why not team them up - one's easy on the mind, the other on the eyes. ;)
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 13:53:41
Wow. *ush looked terrible this morning. And boy oh boy was he panned.
********* Warning -- Images not suitable for children, work, home, and small puppies *********
Raine on 09/30/2008 13:53:41
********* Warning -- Images not suitable for children, work, home, and small puppies *********
Comment by Shane-O on 09/30/2008 13:56:23
Audicon NOT SAFE FOR WORK---
Shane-O on 09/30/2008 13:56:23
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Shane-O:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Shane-O:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:
Allison Hanighan? Isn't that Willow from Buffy?
Yes it is.. also the band camp girl.
And she's quite the dish too :wub2:
Steph called her a pundit, must be 2 of them :scratchhead:
Too bad the guest will probably be Ellis Henican... :(
:doh:
I'd prefer Allison -- probably be more fun (but Ellis is pretty cool -- he regularly smacks down Fox "News" shmucks)
Why not team them up - one's easy on the mind, the other on the eyes. ;)
Audicon NOT SAFE FOR WORK---
Comment by 
BobR on 09/30/2008 13:57:13
I don't know...
... can you?
BobR on 09/30/2008 13:57:13
Quote by Grumpymann:
Can I play the drums?
I don't know...
... can you?
Comment by BobR on 09/30/2008 14:00:13
:rofl:
Where is THAT from??
BobR on 09/30/2008 14:00:13
Quote by Shane-O:
Audicon NOT SAFE FOR WORK---
:rofl:
Where is THAT from??
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 14:03:20
Raine on 09/30/2008 14:03:20
Quote by BobR:Quote by Grumpymann:
Can I play the drums?
I don't know...
... can you?
Comment by Shane-O on 09/30/2008 14:08:59
It's Alyson Hennigan (as Michelle Flaherty (the Band Camp girl)) in Amercian Pie
Shane-O on 09/30/2008 14:08:59
Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
Audicon NOT SAFE FOR WORK---
:rofl:
Where is THAT from??
It's Alyson Hennigan (as Michelle Flaherty (the Band Camp girl)) in Amercian Pie
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/30/2008 14:14:16
velveeta jones on 09/30/2008 14:14:16
American Pie is a classic! The sequels sucked ass..........
Comment by Shane-O on 09/30/2008 14:16:43
I could not agree more :clap:
Shane-O on 09/30/2008 14:16:43
Quote by velveeta jones:
American Pie is a classic! The sequels sucked ass..........
I could not agree more :clap:
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 14:22:20
Raine on 09/30/2008 14:22:20
<-------- New Poll!
Comment by Shane-O on 09/30/2008 14:28:13
May I vote "It will happen and Palin will do "better" than expected"?
And when I say "better" -- I mean that she will go back to what the GOP base thought worked in her convention speech -- snarky one-liners.
They will prep her with a bunch of those, and she CAN deliver them. LIV and the MSM will eat them up - play them in perpituity. She will lose on the substance and the issues - but in terms of entertainment -- she'll do better than expected.
Shane-O on 09/30/2008 14:28:13
Quote by Raine:
<-------- New Poll!
May I vote "It will happen and Palin will do "better" than expected"?
And when I say "better" -- I mean that she will go back to what the GOP base thought worked in her convention speech -- snarky one-liners.
They will prep her with a bunch of those, and she CAN deliver them. LIV and the MSM will eat them up - play them in perpituity. She will lose on the substance and the issues - but in terms of entertainment -- she'll do better than expected.
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 14:29:08
Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 14:29:08
Some one call MAMA and tell her about the WPA!
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 14:30:00
Raine on 09/30/2008 14:30:00
I know what you mean Shane. The one comfort I take is That I think Gwen Ifil will sorta make her answer the questions.
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 14:31:13
My personal fall back position is "I don't know".
Rethug fallback position "Jingoism" "insults".
Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 14:31:13
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
<-------- New Poll!
May I vote "It will happen and Palin will do "better" than expected"?
And when I say "better" -- I mean that she will go back to what the GOP base thought worked in her convention speech -- snarky one-liners.
They will prep her with a bunch of those, and she CAN deliver them. LIV and the MSM will eat them up - play them in perpituity. She will lose on the substance and the issues - but in terms of entertainment -- she'll do better than expected.
Rethug fallback position "Jingoism" "insults".
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 14:34:02
Ifil is moderating this debate?
Palin is screwed.
This debate will NOT happen.
Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 14:34:02
Quote by Raine:
I know what you mean Shane. The one comfort I take is That I think Gwen Ifil will sorta make her answer the questions.
Ifil is moderating this debate?
Palin is screwed.
This debate will NOT happen.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/30/2008 14:34:16
Ms. Ifil MUST be better than Jim Leher (and I like him - I'm a faithful News Hour watcher). I really hope you are right, Raine.
Shane-O on 09/30/2008 14:34:16
Quote by Raine:
I know what you mean Shane. The one comfort I take is That I think Gwen Ifil will sorta make her answer the questions.
Ms. Ifil MUST be better than Jim Leher (and I like him - I'm a faithful News Hour watcher). I really hope you are right, Raine.
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 14:44:11
Raine on 09/30/2008 14:44:11
I think that Gwen Ifil will be bringing her *A* game. Jim was a bit dissapointing, I will admit. I really hated it when he kept telling the candidates to look at and talk to each other.
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 14:45:47
Raine on 09/30/2008 14:45:47
I still think a family Emergency will ensue. IF it were anyother political season I would not think so, but after grampy pulled his suspending the campaign Stunt, anything seems possible with the dynamic duo.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/30/2008 14:48:19
If that does happen, do you think that Palin will then pullout of the race?
Shane-O on 09/30/2008 14:48:19
Quote by Raine:
I still think a family Emergency will ensue. IF it were anyother political season I would not think so, but after grampy pulled his suspending the campaign Stunt, anything seems possible with the dynamic duo.
If that does happen, do you think that Palin will then pullout of the race?
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 14:50:55
Raine on 09/30/2008 14:50:55
teehee, Jim called Boner a weenie. :spit:
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 14:53:01
A retreaded deer in the head lights, with downs syndrome, drunk on tiqiula hangover after a live donkey show. may show up and rescue Palin. baring that if McCain implodes, or his campaign explodes it's all the same.
Grumpymann on 09/30/2008 14:53:01
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
I still think a family Emergency will ensue. IF it were anyother political season I would not think so, but after grampy pulled his suspending the campaign Stunt, anything seems possible with the dynamic duo.
If that does happen, do you think that Palin will then pullout of the race?
A retreaded deer in the head lights, with downs syndrome, drunk on tiqiula hangover after a live donkey show. may show up and rescue Palin. baring that if McCain implodes, or his campaign explodes it's all the same.
Comment by 
livingonli on 09/30/2008 14:55:04
livingonli on 09/30/2008 14:55:04
A belated good morning everyone.
I just could not get myself out of bed. I was just listening to Momma while lying down. I was beat last night since I stayed up to watch Keith and Rachel after being in the city.
The show with Naomi Wolf and listening to her I was both frightened about what could happen and inspired that we have to take the country back and stop the Republican shenanigans. With the right running Canada as well, moving north is not an option. I wanted to pick up her new book and get her to sign it, but someone screwed up and there weren't any out after the show.
Too bad I'm working next Monday, the show with Sarah Silverman would be a hoot.
I just could not get myself out of bed. I was just listening to Momma while lying down. I was beat last night since I stayed up to watch Keith and Rachel after being in the city.
The show with Naomi Wolf and listening to her I was both frightened about what could happen and inspired that we have to take the country back and stop the Republican shenanigans. With the right running Canada as well, moving north is not an option. I wanted to pick up her new book and get her to sign it, but someone screwed up and there weren't any out after the show.
Too bad I'm working next Monday, the show with Sarah Silverman would be a hoot.
Comment by livingonli on 09/30/2008 14:56:13
I heard something that said that if she doesn't drop out soon, it would be too late because it might be a ballot issue if the VP nominee were to change.
livingonli on 09/30/2008 14:56:13
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
I still think a family Emergency will ensue. IF it were anyother political season I would not think so, but after grampy pulled his suspending the campaign Stunt, anything seems possible with the dynamic duo.
If that does happen, do you think that Palin will then pullout of the race?
I heard something that said that if she doesn't drop out soon, it would be too late because it might be a ballot issue if the VP nominee were to change.
Comment by livingonli on 09/30/2008 14:57:27
livingonli on 09/30/2008 14:57:27
Where's Random been? I haven't seen him around the last few days.
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 15:01:34
She would have to, I believe. The Ultimate Hail mary save for McCain.
It would be the perfect out for her. The conservative Family values people would cheer her on for putting family first. McCain will spin at being able to work under extreme cirumstances... blah blah...
I can see how the right would spin it. They are really freaking out about Sarah right now.
Raine on 09/30/2008 15:01:34
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
I still think a family Emergency will ensue. IF it were anyother political season I would not think so, but after grampy pulled his suspending the campaign Stunt, anything seems possible with the dynamic duo.
If that does happen, do you think that Palin will then pullout of the race?
She would have to, I believe. The Ultimate Hail mary save for McCain.
It would be the perfect out for her. The conservative Family values people would cheer her on for putting family first. McCain will spin at being able to work under extreme cirumstances... blah blah...
I can see how the right would spin it. They are really freaking out about Sarah right now.
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 15:03:06
I have been missing him myself. Random™!!!
WHERE ARE YOU!!!
Raine on 09/30/2008 15:03:06
Quote by livingonli:
Where's Random been? I haven't seen him around the last few days.
I have been missing him myself. Random™!!!
WHERE ARE YOU!!!
Comment by TriSec on 09/30/2008 15:03:39
TriSec on 09/30/2008 15:03:39
MassHealth must die!
Insurance company tactic # 51:
Put somebody on the phone team that doesn't understand how to bill a claim correctly. Then the callers will get tired of talking in circles and either a ) explode or b ) get frustrated and hang up, thus leaving the claim rejected or c ) 25 year veterans than know how to beat the system go around it and get their questions answered.
Insurance company tactic # 51:
Put somebody on the phone team that doesn't understand how to bill a claim correctly. Then the callers will get tired of talking in circles and either a ) explode or b ) get frustrated and hang up, thus leaving the claim rejected or c ) 25 year veterans than know how to beat the system go around it and get their questions answered.
Comment by TriSec on 09/30/2008 15:20:30
TriSec on 09/30/2008 15:20:30
Sure wish I understood the market.
Dow up 233 for the day....but down 20% on the year. (isn't that a recession, according to the general consensus?)
Dow up 233 for the day....but down 20% on the year. (isn't that a recession, according to the general consensus?)
Comment by livingonli on 09/30/2008 15:26:06
livingonli on 09/30/2008 15:26:06
I think the movement of the market is not reflective of the financial situation of the average American. Everything seems to just follow whether the top 1% will be able to make money.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/30/2008 15:27:04
wickedpam on 09/30/2008 15:27:04
It's all Taco Bell
Comment by livingonli on 09/30/2008 15:29:37
livingonli on 09/30/2008 15:29:37
I wonder if Sarah Palin could even name all the Supreme Court judges.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/30/2008 15:31:43
Scoopster on 09/30/2008 15:31:43
Gwen Ifill: Governor Palin, what do you see is the greatest obstacle in our relations with Pakistan at the current time?
Sarah Palin: Well you know Pakistan is right next to Russia, and just like up in my home state of Alaska they can see Putin rearing his ugly head just over the horizon.
Sarah Palin: Well you know Pakistan is right next to Russia, and just like up in my home state of Alaska they can see Putin rearing his ugly head just over the horizon.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/30/2008 15:36:43
wickedpam on 09/30/2008 15:36:43
Never saw a problem with the pagent - that was her choice. I have a problem that she make Quayle look like a Rhode's Scholar
Comment by 
starling310 on 09/30/2008 15:38:50
starling310 on 09/30/2008 15:38:50
My company's stock is sinking like a stone and they are now asking everyone for updated contact information. Jesus Christ.
Comment by livingonli on 09/30/2008 15:39:32
livingonli on 09/30/2008 15:39:32
Last night, Lizz Winstead did tell a story of how she has scars on her legs from back when she was doing clinic defense in the 80's. Apparently, when you try to unchain the Operation Rescue people who chain themselves to the door, someone will come and key your leg to get through you and she was wearing shorts so they cut her legs leaving those scars.
Comment by TriSec on 09/30/2008 15:41:07
TriSec on 09/30/2008 15:41:07
Eep!
Just checked ATHN, we seem to be OK today. What's your ticker symbol?
Just checked ATHN, we seem to be OK today. What's your ticker symbol?
Comment by wickedpam on 09/30/2008 15:43:00
wickedpam on 09/30/2008 15:43:00
She is so Heathers! :o
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 15:43:00
Raine on 09/30/2008 15:43:00
:rofl: What's your damage!!! 
:star: why are tehy asking for updated contact information?
:star: why are tehy asking for updated contact information?
Comment by TriSec on 09/30/2008 15:50:31
TriSec on 09/30/2008 15:50:31
Keerist. I checked my portfolio this morning, now I'm sorry I did.
Brother, can you spare a dime?
(TriSec working until he dies)
Brother, can you spare a dime?
(TriSec working until he dies)
Comment by starling310 on 09/30/2008 15:50:59
We are HIG.
It isn't just our stock; we've also got AIG exposure!
:martini: Raine, the chatter around here which is making me physically ill, is that the contact information is needed in case of us not opening.
I just want to throw up.
If I lose my job, I don't know what I'll do. Sell my condo? In this market?
starling310 on 09/30/2008 15:50:59
Quote by TriSec:
Eep!
Just checked ATHN, we seem to be OK today. What's your ticker symbol?
We are HIG.
It isn't just our stock; we've also got AIG exposure!
:martini: Raine, the chatter around here which is making me physically ill, is that the contact information is needed in case of us not opening.
I just want to throw up.
If I lose my job, I don't know what I'll do. Sell my condo? In this market?
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 15:52:10
Raine on 09/30/2008 15:52:10
Comment by livingonli on 09/30/2008 15:53:22
livingonli on 09/30/2008 15:53:22
Tri, you want to check out Cablevision (CVC) Stock?
Comment by wickedpam on 09/30/2008 15:54:33
well, look at it this way, it'll give you time to go to Chicago to try out for Second City
:hug:
wickedpam on 09/30/2008 15:54:33
Quote by starling310:Quote by TriSec:
Eep!
Just checked ATHN, we seem to be OK today. What's your ticker symbol?
We are HIG.
It isn't just our stock; we've also got AIG exposure!
:martini: Raine, the chatter around here which is making me physically ill, is that the contact information is needed in case of us not opening.
I just want to throw up.
If I lose my job, I don't know what I'll do. Sell my condo? In this market?
well, look at it this way, it'll give you time to go to Chicago to try out for Second City
:hug:
Comment by 
Random on 09/30/2008 15:54:42
Random's been bored, so he hasn't been doing much. Please leave a message after the beep.
Beeeeeeeeeeeep.
Random on 09/30/2008 15:54:42
Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:
Where's Random been? I haven't seen him around the last few days.
I have been missing him myself. Random™!!!
WHERE ARE YOU!!!
Random's been bored, so he hasn't been doing much. Please leave a message after the beep.
Beeeeeeeeeeeep.
Comment by BobR on 09/30/2008 15:57:19
Oh crap - I didn't need to know that. Your company manages my 401k. I know my investments aren't in HIG stock, but still...
FWIW - I used to work for a company that was bought by HBOC, which then merged with McKesson. Shortly after that, there was a big story about how HBOC used fraudulent accounting practices to pump up their numbers. The stock tanked big time.
The company is still in business and doing fine...
BobR on 09/30/2008 15:57:19
Quote by starling310:
We are HIG.
It isn't just our stock; we've also got AIG exposure!
:martini: Raine, the chatter around here which is making me physically ill, is that the contact information is needed in case of us not opening.
I just want to throw up.
If I lose my job, I don't know what I'll do. Sell my condo? In this market?
Oh crap - I didn't need to know that. Your company manages my 401k. I know my investments aren't in HIG stock, but still...
FWIW - I used to work for a company that was bought by HBOC, which then merged with McKesson. Shortly after that, there was a big story about how HBOC used fraudulent accounting practices to pump up their numbers. The stock tanked big time.
The company is still in business and doing fine...
Comment by Random on 09/30/2008 15:57:59
Random on 09/30/2008 15:57:59
Comment by wickedpam on 09/30/2008 15:58:10
wickedpam on 09/30/2008 15:58:10
I missed this thing about a pizza place - what are they talking about?
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 16:02:17
Since recession is defined as negative GNP growth for 1 or more quarters, no.
Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 16:02:17
Quote by TriSec:
Sure wish I understood the market.
Dow up 233 for the day....but down 20% on the year. (isn't that a recession, according to the general consensus?)
Since recession is defined as negative GNP growth for 1 or more quarters, no.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/30/2008 16:04:28
:rofl:
wickedpam on 09/30/2008 16:04:28
Quote by Random:
:rofl:
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 16:04:38
:rofl:
Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 16:04:38
Quote by Random:
:rofl:
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 16:09:02
Raine on 09/30/2008 16:09:02
:puke: Ralph Reed?
Abrahmoff buddy Ralph?
Abrahmoff buddy Ralph?
Comment by livingonli on 09/30/2008 16:09:07
Watch out for the killer cat.
livingonli on 09/30/2008 16:09:07
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:
:rofl:
Watch out for the killer cat.
Comment by livingonli on 09/30/2008 16:10:53
If anyone knows about criminal activity and breaking the law. All these Law and Order GOP types are so big on braking the law.
livingonli on 09/30/2008 16:10:53
Quote by Raine:
:puke: Ralph Reed?
Abrahmoff buddy Ralph?
If anyone knows about criminal activity and breaking the law. All these Law and Order GOP types are so big on braking the law.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 16:11:04
Shane-O for the life me I don't know why they call that program the "New Hour." More like the News Ten Minutes Followed By Forty Five Minutes of Polite Discussion. I can't fail to mention that they give the smug, annoying David Brooks a third venue to flap his pie-hole.
Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 16:11:04
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
I know what you mean Shane. The one comfort I take is That I think Gwen Ifil will sorta make her answer the questions.
Ms. Ifil MUST be better than Jim Leher (and I like him - I'm a faithful News Hour watcher). I really hope you are right, Raine.
Shane-O for the life me I don't know why they call that program the "New Hour." More like the News Ten Minutes Followed By Forty Five Minutes of Polite Discussion. I can't fail to mention that they give the smug, annoying David Brooks a third venue to flap his pie-hole.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/30/2008 16:11:41
Scoopster on 09/30/2008 16:11:41
Quote by Random:
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 16:12:45
Raine on 09/30/2008 16:12:45
Oh Starling.
:hug: I know that is all I can give, and it isn't much... but I am off to light a candle.
:hug: I know that is all I can give, and it isn't much... but I am off to light a candle.
Comment by TriSec on 09/30/2008 16:13:11
TriSec on 09/30/2008 16:13:11
Dow's ten biggest drops
Note who was president for 6 of these events.
(Plus an honorable mention, as the GOP was in power for a 7th catastrophic stock market event)
Note who was president for 6 of these events.
(Plus an honorable mention, as the GOP was in power for a 7th catastrophic stock market event)
Comment by BobR on 09/30/2008 16:13:27
Yup. Christian Coalition Operation Rescue failed GA Governor candidate Ralph...
BobR on 09/30/2008 16:13:27
Quote by Raine:
:puke: Ralph Reed?
Abrahmoff buddy Ralph?
Yup. Christian Coalition Operation Rescue failed GA Governor candidate Ralph...
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 16:16:54
Raine on 09/30/2008 16:16:54
Saxby Chambliss Dropps 15 points in the polls. He is only up by 2 points!!
But wait... there is more...
in the past 2 weeks, John McCAin dropped 8 points.
But wait... there is more...
in the past 2 weeks, John McCAin dropped 8 points.
Comment by TriSec on 09/30/2008 16:19:55
TriSec on 09/30/2008 16:19:55
Comment by Random on 09/30/2008 16:23:09
Random on 09/30/2008 16:23:09
Anyone remember Random posting a short story. Well, i've posted another for people to read if they like...
Payment
Payment
Comment by Random on 09/30/2008 16:25:57
Random on 09/30/2008 16:25:57
Quote by TriSec:
on edit: map removed, please see below.
Jesus...look at that McCain drop.
Hey, does anyone here go to MSNBC and listen to Chuck Todds predictions and stuff?
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 16:26:04
Hehehehehe! We hates Chamblissess!
Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 16:26:04
Quote by Raine:
Saxby Chambliss Dropps 15 points in the polls. He is only up by 2 points!!
But wait... there is more...
in the past 2 weeks, John McCAin dropped 8 points.
Hehehehehe! We hates Chamblissess!
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 16:26:45
I should have mentioned that this is in Georgia... Good news indeed.
Raine on 09/30/2008 16:26:45
Quote by Raine:
Saxby Chambliss Dropps 15 points in the polls. He is only up by 2 points!!
But wait... there is more...
in the past 2 weeks, John McCAin dropped 8 points.
I should have mentioned that this is in Georgia... Good news indeed.
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 16:28:57
Raine on 09/30/2008 16:28:57
Quote by Random:I thought that was the stock ticker... :DQuote by TriSec:
on edit: map removed, please see below.
Jesus...look at that McCain drop.
Hey, does anyone here go to MSNBC and listen to Chuck Todds predictions and stuff?
I appreciate Chuck Todd math skills, but I must say that as of late, he tends to interject a little too much political punditry.
This morning he alluded that Obama was to blame for the failed bailBill.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/30/2008 16:32:40
Dow down 20% is a bear market.
2 or more quarters of negative GDP growth is the classical definition of a recession - but recession and depression really don't have stark definitions beyond that. Mostly because they have become politcal terms.
Most agree that the beginning of 2001 was a recession - however, there were not two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth - 4th quarter 2000 and 2nd quarter 2001, were up, 1st and 3rd quarters of 2001 were down...
Also, as a larger and larger portion of the GDP is government spending (magnified by the money multiplier) - perhaps government spending is increased (see the stiumulus package this year) to avoid the polical ramifications of recession being declared in the technical sense during an election season...??
Shane-O on 09/30/2008 16:32:40
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
Sure wish I understood the market.
Dow up 233 for the day....but down 20% on the year. (isn't that a recession, according to the general consensus?)
Since recession is defined as negative GNP growth for 1 or more quarters, no.
Dow down 20% is a bear market.
2 or more quarters of negative GDP growth is the classical definition of a recession - but recession and depression really don't have stark definitions beyond that. Mostly because they have become politcal terms.
Most agree that the beginning of 2001 was a recession - however, there were not two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth - 4th quarter 2000 and 2nd quarter 2001, were up, 1st and 3rd quarters of 2001 were down...
Also, as a larger and larger portion of the GDP is government spending (magnified by the money multiplier) - perhaps government spending is increased (see the stiumulus package this year) to avoid the polical ramifications of recession being declared in the technical sense during an election season...??
Comment by Random on 09/30/2008 16:33:13
Random on 09/30/2008 16:33:13
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:I thought that was the stock ticker... :DQuote by TriSec:
on edit: map removed, please see below.
Jesus...look at that McCain drop.
Hey, does anyone here go to MSNBC and listen to Chuck Todds predictions and stuff?
I appreciate Chuck Todd math skills, but I must say that as of late, he tends to interject a little too much political punditry.
This morning he alluded that Obama was to blame for the failed bailBill.
That's why I only listen to him if a map is on the screen or near him at the time. He's a nice guy, good with the numbers, but he isn't a pundit yet, he needs to be trained, molded into a Russert Succesor.
Comment by livingonli on 09/30/2008 16:35:19
livingonli on 09/30/2008 16:35:19
Calling Ralph Reed a weasel is an insult to the weasels.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/30/2008 16:36:10
Scoopster on 09/30/2008 16:36:10
I think I'm gonna take a vacation from DailyKos for a while.. Seems that if you were hoping for a better economic deal to come along, and/or wanted this one to fail like it did yesterday, then you hate America..
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 17:07:17
you know, scoop, I would be more than happy to set you up with the ability to post blogs here.
Hell, For you, I would even call it a diary!
Raine on 09/30/2008 17:07:17
Quote by Scoopster:
I think I'm gonna take a vacation from DailyKos for a while.. Seems that if you were hoping for a better economic deal to come along, and/or wanted this one to fail like it did yesterday, then you hate America..
you know, scoop, I would be more than happy to set you up with the ability to post blogs here.
Hell, For you, I would even call it a diary!
Comment by TriSec on 09/30/2008 17:11:42
TriSec on 09/30/2008 17:11:42
Well scoop, you're always welcome here at 4F. We hate America too, you know.
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 17:16:22
Raine on 09/30/2008 17:16:22
Thom -- Smack down!
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 17:22:31
That was awesome, Random. It gave me chills.
Raine on 09/30/2008 17:22:31
Quote by Random:
Anyone remember Random posting a short story. Well, i've posted another for people to read if they like...
Payment
That was awesome, Random. It gave me chills.
Comment by Random on 09/30/2008 17:25:18
Thanks, either later today or tomorrow I may post the story i had to sumbit to my creative writing class.
Random on 09/30/2008 17:25:18
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
Anyone remember Random posting a short story. Well, i've posted another for people to read if they like...
Payment
That was awesome, Random. It gave me chills.
Thanks, either later today or tomorrow I may post the story i had to sumbit to my creative writing class.
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 17:52:26
Raine on 09/30/2008 17:52:26
I am feeling a little overwhelmed with this economy talk.
Comment by starling310 on 09/30/2008 17:59:08
Oh Mala. You are so sweet!
:hug:
starling310 on 09/30/2008 17:59:08
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:Quote by TriSec:
Eep!
Just checked ATHN, we seem to be OK today. What's your ticker symbol?
We are HIG.
It isn't just our stock; we've also got AIG exposure!
:martini: Raine, the chatter around here which is making me physically ill, is that the contact information is needed in case of us not opening.
I just want to throw up.
If I lose my job, I don't know what I'll do. Sell my condo? In this market?
well, look at it this way, it'll give you time to go to Chicago to try out for Second City
:hug:
Oh Mala. You are so sweet!
:hug:
Comment by TriSec on 09/30/2008 18:02:08
TriSec on 09/30/2008 18:02:08
And an update to one of our lead stories this morning...
Yesterday, the Ohio Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Secretary of State and IAVA by rejecting a last minute legal challenge to the current absentee ballot voting law. The ruling defended the voting rights of Ohio veterans and deployed troops who could have been disenfranchised by the proposed change.
Comment by starling310 on 09/30/2008 18:04:06
That's very thoughtful. Thank you.
Yes, my big pillar candle, at home, has a paper pinned to it that says "Raine's Oma."
starling310 on 09/30/2008 18:04:06
Quote by Raine:
Oh Starling.
:hug: I know that is all I can give, and it isn't much... but I am off to light a candle.
That's very thoughtful. Thank you.
Yes, my big pillar candle, at home, has a paper pinned to it that says "Raine's Oma."
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 18:04:38
What a douchebag. I apologize to douchebags everywhere for the comparison.
Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 18:04:38
Quote by Raine:
He may suspend his campaign again.
No, it's not the Onion.
What a douchebag. I apologize to douchebags everywhere for the comparison.
Comment by TriSec on 09/30/2008 18:13:35
TriSec on 09/30/2008 18:13:35
Stopping the process
Is it hope, or theater?
McCain is losing.
(TriSec can manufacture Haiku on demand for a variety of subjects. Rates available upon request.
)
Is it hope, or theater?
McCain is losing.
(TriSec can manufacture Haiku on demand for a variety of subjects. Rates available upon request.
)
Comment by starling310 on 09/30/2008 18:14:27
Shite Bobber. On behalf of HIG, please accept my apologies.
We have always been a solid company. But, the chatter around here today is not good.
starling310 on 09/30/2008 18:14:27
Quote by BobR:Quote by starling310:
We are HIG.
It isn't just our stock; we've also got AIG exposure!
:martini: Raine, the chatter around here which is making me physically ill, is that the contact information is needed in case of us not opening.
I just want to throw up.
If I lose my job, I don't know what I'll do. Sell my condo? In this market?
Oh crap - I didn't need to know that. Your company manages my 401k. I know my investments aren't in HIG stock, but still...
FWIW - I used to work for a company that was bought by HBOC, which then merged with McKesson. Shortly after that, there was a big story about how HBOC used fraudulent accounting practices to pump up their numbers. The stock tanked big time.
The company is still in business and doing fine...
Shite Bobber. On behalf of HIG, please accept my apologies.
We have always been a solid company. But, the chatter around here today is not good.
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 18:20:21
Thanks. She needs it. I am waiting to hear back from my family, but this may be more serious than first thought. Today has really sucked.
Raine on 09/30/2008 18:20:21
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
Oh Starling.
:hug: I know that is all I can give, and it isn't much... but I am off to light a candle.
That's very thoughtful. Thank you.
Yes, my big pillar candle, at home, has a paper pinned to it that says "Raine's Oma."
Thanks. She needs it. I am waiting to hear back from my family, but this may be more serious than first thought. Today has really sucked.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 18:21:05
Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 18:21:05
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 18:22:39
I swear I think you have a secret online Haiku generator...
:gobama:
McCain is losing! expect a new *suspension* just in time for Sarah to bail on the debate. ;)
Raine on 09/30/2008 18:22:39
Quote by TriSec:
Stopping the process
Is it hope, or theater?
McCain is losing.
(TriSec can manufacture Haiku on demand for a variety of subjects. Rates available upon request.
:gobama:
McCain is losing! expect a new *suspension* just in time for Sarah to bail on the debate. ;)
Comment by Random on 09/30/2008 18:40:37
That's McCain's Bail out plan.
Random on 09/30/2008 18:40:37
Quote by Raine:I swear I think you have a secret online Haiku generator...Quote by TriSec:
Stopping the process
Is it hope, or theater?
McCain is losing.
(TriSec can manufacture Haiku on demand for a variety of subjects. Rates available upon request.
:gobama:
McCain is losing! expect a new *suspension* just in time for Sarah to bail on the debate. ;)
That's McCain's Bail out plan.
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 18:43:19
McCain seems to think Venezuala is in the Middle East.
(this happened TODAY)
Raine on 09/30/2008 18:43:19
McCain seems to think Venezuala is in the Middle East.
(this happened TODAY)
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 18:52:13
Raine on 09/30/2008 18:52:13
From MediaBistro:
First On TVNewser: PBS' Gwen Ifill has broken her ankle after tripping and falling down stairs at her home last night, a NewsHour insider tells TVNewser. We're told Ifill had been walking up a staircase, carrying research related to her moderating duties at Thursday's Vice Presidential debate in St. Louis, when she took a wrong step.
We are also told the show will go on: Ifill is planning to travel to Missouri for the big event.
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:foil:
First On TVNewser: PBS' Gwen Ifill has broken her ankle after tripping and falling down stairs at her home last night, a NewsHour insider tells TVNewser. We're told Ifill had been walking up a staircase, carrying research related to her moderating duties at Thursday's Vice Presidential debate in St. Louis, when she took a wrong step.
We are also told the show will go on: Ifill is planning to travel to Missouri for the big event.
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:foil:
Comment by TriSec on 09/30/2008 18:52:54
TriSec on 09/30/2008 18:52:54
There's talk of Mrs. TriSec actively trying to prevent her father from voting this year because of his advancing Alzheimer's and "he doesn't know what he's doing anymore."
Can someone please prevent McCain from speaking anymore, for the same reasons?
Can someone please prevent McCain from speaking anymore, for the same reasons?
Comment by TriSec on 09/30/2008 18:56:40
TriSec on 09/30/2008 18:56:40
Oof.
I edited some of the posts below (it's noted with an "on edit" comment). The blog was getting mighty wide there.
For future reference, multiple embedded quotes of an electoral college map is not a good idea.
:peace:
I edited some of the posts below (it's noted with an "on edit" comment). The blog was getting mighty wide there.
For future reference, multiple embedded quotes of an electoral college map is not a good idea.
:peace:
Comment by TriSec on 09/30/2008 19:07:18
TriSec on 09/30/2008 19:07:18
Ah yes, we heard about that yesterday. There's a shortage in revenue collections, so the state won't be able to make its scheduled local aid payments. We've had to borrow before, but never this early in the fiscal year.
And increasingly crazy Carla Howell wants to pass this ballot question.
And increasingly crazy Carla Howell wants to pass this ballot question.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 19:11:19
Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 19:11:19
I, Mondo, am watching a soccer match. Go Alborg! They are playing Man U. AKA the Yankees of soccer.
Comment by livingonli on 09/30/2008 19:13:27
Instead, just raise the regressive taxes that only the little people pay so the rich pay little or no taxes.
Isn't it interesting how the cons tax proposals all involve cutting taxes on income or anything that the rich would pay more and shifting them onto more regressive elements like the sales tax in which people who live paycheck to paycheck pay a higher percentage out of their pocket for?
livingonli on 09/30/2008 19:13:27
Quote by TriSec:
Ah yes, we heard about that yesterday. There's a shortage in revenue collections, so the state won't be able to make its scheduled local aid payments. We've had to borrow before, but never this early in the fiscal year.
And increasingly crazy Carla Howell wants to pass this ballot question.
Instead, just raise the regressive taxes that only the little people pay so the rich pay little or no taxes.
Isn't it interesting how the cons tax proposals all involve cutting taxes on income or anything that the rich would pay more and shifting them onto more regressive elements like the sales tax in which people who live paycheck to paycheck pay a higher percentage out of their pocket for?
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 19:18:27
: does quick Google search: But, but Tri, she's a Libertarian! :poke:
Wiki didn't go into her increasing craziness, what are some other examples?
Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 19:18:27
Quote by TriSec:
Ah yes, we heard about that yesterday. There's a shortage in revenue collections, so the state won't be able to make its scheduled local aid payments. We've had to borrow before, but never this early in the fiscal year.
And increasingly crazy Carla Howell wants to pass this ballot question.
: does quick Google search: But, but Tri, she's a Libertarian! :poke:
Wiki didn't go into her increasing craziness, what are some other examples?
Comment by TriSec on 09/30/2008 19:27:41
TriSec on 09/30/2008 19:27:41
I *know* she's a Libertarian...I was a volunteer on her 2002 campaign (against Mitt Romney) so I believe my credentials to be beyond reproach.
She's lost much credibility in the state...she's been a single-trick pony for the last 5 years or so. This is the second time that question has been on the ballot. (about 40% voted "yes" back in 2004.) I think it would be lucky to pull that much this time around.
More about Carla
She's lost much credibility in the state...she's been a single-trick pony for the last 5 years or so. This is the second time that question has been on the ballot. (about 40% voted "yes" back in 2004.) I think it would be lucky to pull that much this time around.
More about Carla
Comment by livingonli on 09/30/2008 19:30:04
I smell a one trick pony. How does she feel about the other issues?
livingonli on 09/30/2008 19:30:04
Quote by TriSec:
I *know* she's a Libertarian...I was a volunteer on her 2002 campaign (against Mitt Romney) so I believe my credentials to be beyond reproach.
She's lost much credibility in the state...she's been a single-trick pony for the last 5 years or so. This is the second time that question has been on the ballot. (about 40% voted "yes" back in 2004.) I think it would be lucky to pull that much this time around.
More about Carla
I smell a one trick pony. How does she feel about the other issues?
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 19:35:36
Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 19:35:36
Damn! Man U scored. 1-Nil
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 19:38:01
Tri, lighten up I was kidding! Sheesh! You know I keed because I love. She is the wacky kind of Libertarian that gives the rest of you a bad name.
Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 19:38:01
Quote by TriSec:
I *know* she's a Libertarian...I was a volunteer on her 2002 campaign (against Mitt Romney) so I believe my credentials to be beyond reproach.
She's lost much credibility in the state...she's been a single-trick pony for the last 5 years or so. This is the second time that question has been on the ballot. (about 40% voted "yes" back in 2004.) I think it would be lucky to pull that much this time around.
More about Carla
Tri, lighten up I was kidding! Sheesh! You know I keed because I love. She is the wacky kind of Libertarian that gives the rest of you a bad name.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/30/2008 20:00:45
WAY TO GO, TEAM WE OWN!
Scoopster on 09/30/2008 20:00:45
Quote by Mondobubba:
Damn! Man U scored. 1-Nil
WAY TO GO, TEAM WE OWN!
Comment by livingonli on 09/30/2008 20:01:45
livingonli on 09/30/2008 20:01:45
Time to go head off to the salt mine.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/30/2008 20:01:48
Scoopster on 09/30/2008 20:01:48
Comment by TriSec on 09/30/2008 20:07:37
TriSec on 09/30/2008 20:07:37
Listen, half the time I feel like an outcast around here already, I'm very sensitive about my political past. I'm not that kind of Libertarian. All I know is if Grover tried to drown the government in a tub and I was anywhere around, I'd fish out the poor thing and try to give it CPR.
Check out the left end of the tent, I'm here under the "Live and let live, do no harm" sign.
Check out the left end of the tent, I'm here under the "Live and let live, do no harm" sign.
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 20:38:42
LOL! You just can't quit the Kos...
In the meantime, the offer still stands Scoop.
Raine on 09/30/2008 20:38:42
Quote by Scoopster:
Never mind the bollocks.. here comes the PROGRESSIVE DEM CAUCUS PLAN!
LOL! You just can't quit the Kos...
In the meantime, the offer still stands Scoop.
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 21:10:05
Raine on 09/30/2008 21:10:05
Tonite, I will watch for the first time, in a long time --- CBS news.
Comment by BobR on 09/30/2008 21:52:00
outcast?? :huh:
everyone here loves you, man!
BobR on 09/30/2008 21:52:00
Quote by TriSec:
Listen, half the time I feel like an outcast around here already, I'm very sensitive about my political past. I'm not that kind of Libertarian. All I know is if Grover tried to drown the government in a tub and I was anywhere around, I'd fish out the poor thing and try to give it CPR.
Check out the left end of the tent, I'm here under the "Live and let live, do no harm" sign.
outcast?? :huh:
everyone here loves you, man!
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 22:03:31
Raine on 09/30/2008 22:03:31
Wow. Did anyone hear that news?
Bloomberg is going to Push for a change in the term limits law so he can run for a third term??
Oh hell no!!!
Bloomberg is going to Push for a change in the term limits law so he can run for a third term??
Oh hell no!!!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 22:31:03
Damn, Tri I only pick on you because I like you. It is the highest completment I can offer. If I didn't like you I wouldn't bother with you.
Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 22:31:03
Quote by BobR:Quote by TriSec:
Listen, half the time I feel like an outcast around here already, I'm very sensitive about my political past. I'm not that kind of Libertarian. All I know is if Grover tried to drown the government in a tub and I was anywhere around, I'd fish out the poor thing and try to give it CPR.
Check out the left end of the tent, I'm here under the "Live and let live, do no harm" sign.
outcast?? :huh:
everyone here loves you, man!
Damn, Tri I only pick on you because I like you. It is the highest completment I can offer. If I didn't like you I wouldn't bother with you.
Comment by Random on 09/30/2008 22:39:22
Random on 09/30/2008 22:39:22
Comment by Random on 09/30/2008 22:43:59
Random on 09/30/2008 22:43:59
Just as a Random Comment...
I really REALLY hate Ralph Nader.
I really REALLY hate Ralph Nader.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 22:45:58
Americans are not stupid.
Yeah right!
Mondobubba on 09/30/2008 22:45:58
Americans are not stupid.
Yeah right!
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 23:14:48
Ohmahgawd. She could not remember any magazine or newspaper she reads!
Raine on 09/30/2008 23:14:48
Ohmahgawd. She could not remember any magazine or newspaper she reads!
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 23:17:33
Raine on 09/30/2008 23:17:33
And when I can get the youtube, I will post the question Couric asked her about if a 15 year old girl was raped by her own father... how would she handle it?
She said it was less than ideal and that she still supports life.
:thud:
She said it was less than ideal and that she still supports life.
:thud:
Comment by Raine on 09/30/2008 23:17:35
Raine on 09/30/2008 23:17:35
And when I can get the youtube, I will post the question Couric asked her about if a 15 year old girl was raped by her own father... how would she handle it?
She said it was less than ideal and that she still supports life.
:thud:
She said it was less than ideal and that she still supports life.
:thud:
Comment by TriSec on 09/30/2008 23:28:41
TriSec on 09/30/2008 23:28:41
Chugging through before class...
Mondo, that's a horrifying video.
But, that's what this "administration" wants, isn't it?
Mondo, that's a horrifying video.
But, that's what this "administration" wants, isn't it?
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 00:15:11
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 00:15:11
God damnit! John McCain is not a war hero. Dropping bombs from a plane is not heroic. Being shot down is not heroic. Being a POW is not heroic.
Comment by Random on 10/01/2008 00:19:33
...Taking a beating for 5 and a half years is more than i could do...Whether that makes him a hero is beside the point. He did suffer for as long as he did because he was the kid of some big shot.
Random on 10/01/2008 00:19:33
Quote by Mondobubba:
God damnit! John McCain is not a war hero. Dropping bombs from a plane is not heroic. Being shot down is not heroic. Being a POW is not heroic.
...Taking a beating for 5 and a half years is more than i could do...Whether that makes him a hero is beside the point. He did suffer for as long as he did because he was the kid of some big shot.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 01:23:32
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 01:23:32
Pundits and their pimps this is a warning. One more bad sports metaphor about the credit contraction and I will round you all up and bitch slap each one of you. Got it? Good!
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 01:29:19
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 01:29:19
Dennis Kucinich seems to be hitting the Just For Men.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 03:00:21
She really DOES think girls who are pregnant from thier dads should have the baby.
And yes, she does think the morning after pill is abortion... you wonder why she charged raped victims for the rape kit?
Now you know.
Raine on 10/01/2008 03:00:21
She really DOES think girls who are pregnant from thier dads should have the baby.
And yes, she does think the morning after pill is abortion... you wonder why she charged raped victims for the rape kit?
Now you know.
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 06:21:02
After all, Incest is a family value.
livingonli on 10/01/2008 06:21:02
Quote by Raine:
She really DOES think girls who are pregnant from thier dads should have the baby.
And yes, she does think the morning after pill is abortion... you wonder why she charged raped victims for the rape kit?
Now you know.
After all, Incest is a family value.
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 06:45:39
livingonli on 10/01/2008 06:45:39
If you want to see more in the Stupid American series. Here's some clips from Rick Mercer's Talking to Americans which aired on the CBC.
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 07:42:37
livingonli on 10/01/2008 07:42:37
Catching Rachel talk about the fuel situation down in the ATL.