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Limping off into the Darkness
Author: BobR
Date: 10/01/2008 12:34:21
The current economic meltdown and our government's seeming inability to agree on what to do about it has been dominating the news ever since the Paulson "plan" was released (along with the apparently incorrect dire warnings that we were just days away from slipping into the abyss). Close on its heels are the random bits demonstrating the McCain campaign's political hari-kari, and Palin's ignorant arrogance. Obama is hardly in the news anymore at all.
Also missing in action is pResident Bush.
Oh, he makes the occasional appearance, like the groundhog emerging from its burrow to let us all know we have 6 more weeks of winter. But the strutting cocky rancher is gone. In his place is a defeated deflated miserable man with a reverse Midas touch that has seen everything he's touched turn to shit. Even the pundits that once supported him have noticed:
At this point in his career, he's not just a lame duck - he's an impotent aging mandarin, no longer respected or even relevant. On numerous occasions recently it's been Obama that's stepped up to act presidential. Congress seems to have finally limped away from Bush's death grip on them (although they still have moments of Stockholm Syndrome). It seems that Bush has finally realized that his legacy is going to be a broken America, and there's nothing he can do about it.
Of course - it's not like he's actually tried to do anything. He swallowed the Friedman economic model hook line and sinker. He sat in the driver's seat while the economy plowed toward the cliff, and took his hands off the steering wheel saying "it will correct itself". Imagine his surprise as it went hurtling over the edge... we can only hope it lands on its wheels rather than exploding in a ball of fire.
Normally these sorts of retrospectives are done closer to the man leaving office, but it appears his spirit has already left, and only the hunched muttering shell is left behind to muddle through these next 16 weeks. So what will his legacy leave behind?
Only time will tell how history eulogizes this period of American history, but there's very little positive that can be culled from the heaping stinking pile. Besides Bush's blundering through his presidency like the drunken redneck he is, there was congress rubber-stamping every noxious request from Bush, the Democrats' seeming unwillingness to stand up to him, and the American citizens (and the press) too cowed in fear to raise much of a protest.
It's not just an ugly legacy for Bush - it's an ugly legacy for ALL of America. We can make amends on Nov 4th. It's no longer Bush's job to fix this; now it's ours.
Also missing in action is pResident Bush.
Oh, he makes the occasional appearance, like the groundhog emerging from its burrow to let us all know we have 6 more weeks of winter. But the strutting cocky rancher is gone. In his place is a defeated deflated miserable man with a reverse Midas touch that has seen everything he's touched turn to shit. Even the pundits that once supported him have noticed:
At this point in his career, he's not just a lame duck - he's an impotent aging mandarin, no longer respected or even relevant. On numerous occasions recently it's been Obama that's stepped up to act presidential. Congress seems to have finally limped away from Bush's death grip on them (although they still have moments of Stockholm Syndrome). It seems that Bush has finally realized that his legacy is going to be a broken America, and there's nothing he can do about it.
Of course - it's not like he's actually tried to do anything. He swallowed the Friedman economic model hook line and sinker. He sat in the driver's seat while the economy plowed toward the cliff, and took his hands off the steering wheel saying "it will correct itself". Imagine his surprise as it went hurtling over the edge... we can only hope it lands on its wheels rather than exploding in a ball of fire.
Normally these sorts of retrospectives are done closer to the man leaving office, but it appears his spirit has already left, and only the hunched muttering shell is left behind to muddle through these next 16 weeks. So what will his legacy leave behind?
- Iraq: He didn't just break America, he also broke Iraq, and in spectacular fashion. Our illustrious TriSec reports the latest stats every Tues, but the once thriving modern non-theocratic nation has literally been bombed back to the "stone age", with tribal fighting, few modern conveniences, and a long brutal road ahead of them. All this for only $500 billion dollars and over 4000 American lives.
- Torture: They opened this Pandora's Box, putting American soldiers at risk for retributional torture. Way to support the troops...
- Hurricane Katrina: The response to the hurricane was illustrative of the Bush Administration's approach to governing: do as little as possible and do it incompetently. The criminal negligence experienced by the citizens of NoLa was a microcosm of the entire Bush administration. Heckuva job there Brownie...
- Habeas Corpus: Bush didn't just shred the Constitution, he shredded hundreds of years of legal precedence. Was it necessary? Of course not - he just wanted to feel the power.
- Spying on Americans: Nixon could've learned a thing or two about paranoia from this administration. They wanted to know what everyone was doing all the time. The only thing more disgusting than this was all of the "Americans" that said "hey - no problem... I've got nothing to hide".
- Acting the Buffoon: The seemingly never-ending embarrassment coming from his antics are far too numerous to mention, but some of the more memorable include dancing, trying to open fake doors, giving Angela Merkel a quick back rub, mispronouncing words (including world leaders' names), being unable to define what a sovereign country is, and boasting that a 51% edge in the 2004 election was a "mandate".
Only time will tell how history eulogizes this period of American history, but there's very little positive that can be culled from the heaping stinking pile. Besides Bush's blundering through his presidency like the drunken redneck he is, there was congress rubber-stamping every noxious request from Bush, the Democrats' seeming unwillingness to stand up to him, and the American citizens (and the press) too cowed in fear to raise much of a protest.
It's not just an ugly legacy for Bush - it's an ugly legacy for ALL of America. We can make amends on Nov 4th. It's no longer Bush's job to fix this; now it's ours.
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Comment by 
Raine on 10/01/2008 12:45:40
Raine on 10/01/2008 12:45:40
Good Morning. I am off to the Dentist again today... Will be taking my happy little xanax in a bit.... I wanted to leacve you with this, excerpts from an interview John McCAin did this morning with the Des Moines REgister. He is ready to blow, folks.
This diary at Kos has it, plus all the examples of the man temper.
This diary at Kos has it, plus all the examples of the man temper.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:46:05
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:46:05
Fristy pants! 
:party:
Don't mind me, I am giddy with lack of sleep. I've not been to sleep yet, and not in a good way either!
:party:Don't mind me, I am giddy with lack of sleep. I've not been to sleep yet, and not in a good way either!
Comment by 
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 12:47:31
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 12:47:31
Morning :hug:
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:49:30
Okay, Raine beat me to it. Sorry! Boy, howdy is McCain a snarky condescending asshat or what!
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:49:30
Quote by Raine:
Good Morning. I am off to the Dentist again today... Will be taking my happy little xanax in a bit.... I wanted to leacve you with this, excerpts from an interview John McCAin did this morning with the Des Moines REgister. He is ready to blow, folks.
This diary at Kos has it, plus all the examples of the man temper.
Okay, Raine beat me to it. Sorry! Boy, howdy is McCain a snarky condescending asshat or what!
Comment by 
BobR on 10/01/2008 12:49:37
oooh.... not so fristy...
We're going to have to move you down to storage room "B".... :grabs stapler:
BobR on 10/01/2008 12:49:37
Quote by Mondobubba:
Fristy pants!
Don't mind me, I am giddy with lack of sleep. I've not been to sleep yet, and not in a good way either!
oooh.... not so fristy...
We're going to have to move you down to storage room "B".... :grabs stapler:
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:51:29
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:51:29
Bobber nice blog. I will reread it later after I have slept to make sure I wasn't hallucinating or anything. :wacko:
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:52:15
:muttersL I will burn the building down.
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:52:15
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Fristy pants!
Don't mind me, I am giddy with lack of sleep. I've not been to sleep yet, and not in a good way either!
oooh.... not so fristy...
We're going to have to move you down to storage room "B".... :grabs stapler:
:muttersL I will burn the building down.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:54:54
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:54:54
Some how I don't think the Des Moines Register is going to endorse McCain.
Comment by 
TriSec on 10/01/2008 12:57:22
TriSec on 10/01/2008 12:57:22
Morning, comrades!
Having learned my lesson yesterday...check out the precipitous drop.
FL, OH, and NC have now moved to the "exactly tied" column.
Having learned my lesson yesterday...check out the precipitous drop.
FL, OH, and NC have now moved to the "exactly tied" column.
Comment by 
Shane-O on 10/01/2008 12:59:11
Shane-O on 10/01/2008 12:59:11
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Fristy pants!
Don't mind me, I am giddy with lack of sleep. I've not been to sleep yet, and not in a good way either!
oooh.... not so fristy...
We're going to have to move you down to storage room "B".... :grabs stapler:
:muttersL I will burn the building down.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:05:14
Yeah I noticed that last night when KO was talking to the however many total electoral votes there are dot com dude. Florida was a lovely shade of very pale blue.
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:05:14
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades!
Having learned my lesson yesterday...check out the precipitous drop.
FL, OH, and NC have now moved to the "exactly tied" column.
Yeah I noticed that last night when KO was talking to the however many total electoral votes there are dot com dude. Florida was a lovely shade of very pale blue.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:06:39
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:06:39
I'm tired, but not as tired as Larry King. Mala, you should know this one 
It is a Don & Mike classic!
It is a Don & Mike classic!
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 13:06:50
Raine on 10/01/2008 13:06:50
I have never been an astronaut, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn. --
Can someone please tell me what the hell Gramps was talking about in that video? A simple question about his OWN healthcare, and he either can't or won't answer it.
John McCain is really an asshat. I can only imagine what the entire video looks like.
Can someone please tell me what the hell Gramps was talking about in that video? A simple question about his OWN healthcare, and he either can't or won't answer it.
John McCain is really an asshat. I can only imagine what the entire video looks like.
Comment by 
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:09:36
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:09:36
Hello....
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:10:08
Screw not with the Des Moines Register, Mr McCain.
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:10:08
Quote by Raine:
I have never been an astronaut, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn. --
Can someone please tell me what the hell Gramps was talking about in that video? A simple question about his OWN healthcare, and he either can't or won't answer it.
John McCain is really an asshat. I can only imagine what the entire video looks like.
Screw not with the Des Moines Register, Mr McCain.
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:10:22
He is a silly old man....
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:10:22
Quote by Raine:
I have never been an astronaut, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn. --
Can someone please tell me what the hell Gramps was talking about in that video? A simple question about his OWN healthcare, and he either can't or won't answer it.
John McCain is really an asshat. I can only imagine what the entire video looks like.
He is a silly old man....
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 13:10:37
Raine on 10/01/2008 13:10:37
Hello Grump!
I have just taken my mellow pill... I suspect a slow decline in basic motor function from here on in.
I have just taken my mellow pill... I suspect a slow decline in basic motor function from here on in.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:11:13
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:11:13
Beaver teeth! Yikes!
Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2008 13:11:31
TriSec on 10/01/2008 13:11:31
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:12:54
Right out of the gate too. It is a sad, sad thing when the show goes into a ditch so soon.
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:12:54
Quote by TriSec:
Right out of the gate too. It is a sad, sad thing when the show goes into a ditch so soon.
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:13:11
I think I need one of those.....
If one more person says we need to bail out wall street and not mention the WPA or something like it I think I will go rethug!
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:13:11
Quote by Raine:
Hello Grump!
I have just taken my mellow pill... I suspect a slow decline in basic motor function from here on in.
I think I need one of those.....
If one more person says we need to bail out wall street and not mention the WPA or something like it I think I will go rethug!
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 13:15:48
Raine on 10/01/2008 13:15:48
Wow. Jim does a great Taz!
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:16:05
"Things I have confidence in the young MD." :spit:
Still holds up to the test of time.
I"m worried about the club
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:16:05
Quote by Mondobubba:
I'm tired, but not as tired as Larry King. Mala, you should know this one
"Things I have confidence in the young MD." :spit:
Still holds up to the test of time.
I"m worried about the club
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:20:15
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:20:15
Thinks Quayle looks smart compared to her.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 13:21:14
Raine on 10/01/2008 13:21:14
OMG. This woman is just so arrogant and intellectually incurious it's stunning.
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:21:22
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:21:22
ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2008 13:21:36
TriSec on 10/01/2008 13:21:36
Lessee....so far this morning, I have read:
Waltham News Tribune
Boston Globe
Blue Mass Group
Rational News Review
Lew Rockwell
Jim Hightower
MSNBC
and before the day is out, I'll check the Globe several more times, Google News, the BBC, and Newsvine.
Waltham News Tribune
Boston Globe
Blue Mass Group
Rational News Review
Lew Rockwell
Jim Hightower
MSNBC
and before the day is out, I'll check the Globe several more times, Google News, the BBC, and Newsvine.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:23:21
Tri - you bring the highbrow, I'll bring the low - I've read Perez and TMZ ;)
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:23:21
Quote by TriSec:
Lessee....so far this morning, I have read:
Waltham News Tribune
Boston Globe
Blue Mass Group
Rational News Review
Lew Rockwell
Jim Hightower
MSNBC
and before the day is out, I'll check the Globe several more times, Google News, the BBC, and Newsvine.
Tri - you bring the highbrow, I'll bring the low - I've read Perez and TMZ ;)
Comment by BobR on 10/01/2008 13:24:34
A WPA-type program is absolutely necessary for a long-term solution... but it won't ensure that your average business that employs average Americans will have access to the credit they need to operate in the short term.
The two approaches are not mutually exclusive. Whether or not the greedy pigs in the investment banks get their comuppance, the availability of credit is essential to the well-being of most Americans, so a short term solution for that problem is required.
Obama has already discussed WPA-type programs that he plans on implementing when he becomes president. I would rather have him directing that effort than have congress try to handle that now.
BobR on 10/01/2008 13:24:34
Quote by Grumpymann:
I think I need one of those.....
If one more person says we need to bail out wall street and not mention the WPA or something like it I think I will go rethug!
A WPA-type program is absolutely necessary for a long-term solution... but it won't ensure that your average business that employs average Americans will have access to the credit they need to operate in the short term.
The two approaches are not mutually exclusive. Whether or not the greedy pigs in the investment banks get their comuppance, the availability of credit is essential to the well-being of most Americans, so a short term solution for that problem is required.
Obama has already discussed WPA-type programs that he plans on implementing when he becomes president. I would rather have him directing that effort than have congress try to handle that now.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:25:30
Just like W! No, wait she is even more so. She is as dumb as a bag of door nobs.
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:25:30
Quote by Raine:
OMG. This woman is just so arrogant and intellectually incurious it's stunning.
Just like W! No, wait she is even more so. She is as dumb as a bag of door nobs.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:27:24
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:27:24
Mondo!
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:27:46
GOD my life sucks! When this dilHole can get a job and I can't!
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:27:46
Accused of permitting unwarranted spying on citizens, torture, helping to blow a CIA agent's cover and firing non-political appointees for political reasons, former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales left the White House shrouded in ignominy. Facebook just hired his former right-hand man, Ted Ullyot, as its general counsel.
GOD my life sucks! When this dilHole can get a job and I can't!
Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2008 13:28:43
TriSec on 10/01/2008 13:28:43
Mondo representing the smithing industry!
Ah, we have an actual blacksmith school around the corner from me here in Waltham (in the city!)
Apparently, with all the colonial houses around here, there's still a market for hand-wrought, accurate period hardware. (and they've always taken care of the horses around Metrowest...)
Ah, we have an actual blacksmith school around the corner from me here in Waltham (in the city!)
Apparently, with all the colonial houses around here, there's still a market for hand-wrought, accurate period hardware. (and they've always taken care of the horses around Metrowest...)
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:31:27
Doing the same thing that got us in this mess to get us out, all the while trusting the same untrustworthy people to do the right thing will not work.
The banks have the money.
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:31:27
Quote by BobR:Quote by Grumpymann:
I think I need one of those.....
If one more person says we need to bail out wall street and not mention the WPA or something like it I think I will go rethug!
A WPA-type program is absolutely necessary for a long-term solution... but it won't ensure that your average business that employs average Americans will have access to the credit they need to operate in the short term.
The two approaches are not mutually exclusive. Whether or not the greedy pigs in the investment banks get their comuppance, the availability of credit is essential to the well-being of most Americans, so a short term solution for that problem is required.
Obama has already discussed WPA-type programs that he plans on implementing when he becomes president. I would rather have him directing that effort than have congress try to handle that now.
The banks have the money.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 13:32:57
I read the warning labels on my Xanax bottle....
Raine on 10/01/2008 13:32:57
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by TriSec:
Lessee....so far this morning, I have read:
Waltham News Tribune
Boston Globe
Blue Mass Group
Rational News Review
Lew Rockwell
Jim Hightower
MSNBC
and before the day is out, I'll check the Globe several more times, Google News, the BBC, and Newsvine.
Tri - you bring the highbrow, I'll bring the low - I've read Perez and TMZ ;)
Comment by BobR on 10/01/2008 13:34:32
Where have I ever said to trust them? I've said over on the board that they need to be kept on a very short leash.
BobR on 10/01/2008 13:34:32
Quote by Grumpymann:
Doing the same thing that got us in this mess to get us out, all the while trusting the same untrustworthy people to do the right thing will not work.
The banks have the money.
Where have I ever said to trust them? I've said over on the board that they need to be kept on a very short leash.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:34:52
That is the very thing my blacksmithing friend does. He is very good at it. If I had need for wrought iron & lived say in Maryland, I would engage his services.
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:34:52
Quote by TriSec:
Mondo representing the smithing industry!
Ah, we have an actual blacksmith school around the corner from me here in Waltham (in the city!)
Apparently, with all the colonial houses around here, there's still a market for hand-wrought, accurate period hardware. (and they've always taken care of the horses around Metrowest...)
That is the very thing my blacksmithing friend does. He is very good at it. If I had need for wrought iron & lived say in Maryland, I would engage his services.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:35:49
Don't drink, etc? That is riveting!
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:35:49
Quote by Raine:I read the warning labels on my Xanax bottle....Quote by wickedpam:Quote by TriSec:
Lessee....so far this morning, I have read:
Waltham News Tribune
Boston Globe
Blue Mass Group
Rational News Review
Lew Rockwell
Jim Hightower
MSNBC
and before the day is out, I'll check the Globe several more times, Google News, the BBC, and Newsvine.
Tri - you bring the highbrow, I'll bring the low - I've read Perez and TMZ ;)
Don't drink, etc? That is riveting!
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:37:34
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:37:34
That's one of the best scenes in Miss Congenality. Sandra Bullock goes off on this tangent about fire arms and the crowd is stunned silent - then she lands on world peace and the crowd goes nuts.
Maybe we're all just living in an epic Sandra Bullock movie.
Maybe we're all just living in an epic Sandra Bullock movie.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 13:38:32
Raine on 10/01/2008 13:38:32
:poke: 
<----- The Des Register interview, emoticon Theatre style.
<----- The Des Register interview, emoticon Theatre style.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:38:39
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:38:39
JESUS GOD THERE IS HANNITY BLAMING BLACK PEOPLE! What a frickin' pant load. I really despise that meme.
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:39:27
Um.....
You know your right.
Let me ask you this.
In the bill that failed was there limits on CEO pay?
Were there warrants given to the tax payers for perfered stock?
What did we get out of it?
This one I will answer not a damn thing.
Not even a VERY BAD dog and pony show.
Not one real thing for the people that were suffering now or in the future.
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:39:27
Quote by BobR:Quote by Grumpymann:
Doing the same thing that got us in this mess to get us out, all the while trusting the same untrustworthy people to do the right thing will not work.
The banks have the money.
Where have I ever said to trust them? I've said over on the board that they need to be kept on a very short leash.
Um.....
You know your right.
Let me ask you this.
In the bill that failed was there limits on CEO pay?
Were there warrants given to the tax payers for perfered stock?
What did we get out of it?
This one I will answer not a damn thing.
Not even a VERY BAD dog and pony show.
Not one real thing for the people that were suffering now or in the future.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:40:26
:spit:
: drags self to fainting couch:
Hey Raine, I haven't gone to sleep yet, you are medicated. Who's motor function will fail first? : drama :
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:40:26
Quote by Raine:
:poke:
:spit:
: drags self to fainting couch: Hey Raine, I haven't gone to sleep yet, you are medicated. Who's motor function will fail first? : drama :
Comment by 
Scoopster on 10/01/2008 13:40:45
Scoopster on 10/01/2008 13:40:45
Morning all! 
:hug:
My my.. you guys have been busy early on this :airhump:day..
:hug:My my.. you guys have been busy early on this :airhump:day..
Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2008 13:43:23
TriSec on 10/01/2008 13:43:23
"If Idiots could fly, Wasilla would be the airport"
"A few wires short of a radio"
"Dumber than a box of hair"
"She's as sharp as a bowling ball" (credit to Foghorn Leghorn for that one.)
"Not the brightest Star" (Boy scout saying)
"Not enough flap for takeoff"
More?
"A few wires short of a radio"
"Dumber than a box of hair"
"She's as sharp as a bowling ball" (credit to Foghorn Leghorn for that one.)
"Not the brightest Star" (Boy scout saying)
"Not enough flap for takeoff"
More?
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:47:17
The mortgage industry is a small part of the financial system. The "Sub-Prime" sector is even smaller. And the amount of Minority browers is 16%.
So what they are saying is that 16% of a small sector of a piece of the financial system had the power to grind the great US economy to a halt?
He is not only a pant load he's a republican.
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:47:17
Quote by Mondobubba:
JESUS GOD THERE IS HANNITY BLAMING BLACK PEOPLE! What a frickin' pant load. I really despise that meme.
The mortgage industry is a small part of the financial system. The "Sub-Prime" sector is even smaller. And the amount of Minority browers is 16%.
So what they are saying is that 16% of a small sector of a piece of the financial system had the power to grind the great US economy to a halt?
He is not only a pant load he's a republican.
Comment by BobR on 10/01/2008 13:48:08
My responses are not based on the crap bill that thankfully failed.
The two extremes here are "do nothing" or "give them a butt-load of cash, with few strings attached". I think the best approach is about 25% away from "do nothing" and 75% away from "free ride".
The immediate problem that needs to be addressed is ensuring that credit is available. That can be done without committing to any long term crap that we don't want.
After that, we can look at restitution, criminal charges, CEO compensation limitation, regulations, and everything else that is necessary to reform the banking industry.
After that (or in parallel) there's efforts that need to be done to put money back at the bottom of the enconomic rung (such as a WPA program).
Only the first item can be realistically done prior to 1/20/2009, and I have my doubts that they can do it right.
BobR on 10/01/2008 13:48:08
Quote by Grumpymann:
Um.....
You know your right.
Let me ask you this.
In the bill that failed was there limits on CEO pay?
Were there warrants given to the tax payers for perfered stock?
What did we get out of it?
This one I will answer not a damn thing.
Not even a VERY BAD dog and pony show.
Not one real thing for the people that were suffering now or in the future.
My responses are not based on the crap bill that thankfully failed.
The two extremes here are "do nothing" or "give them a butt-load of cash, with few strings attached". I think the best approach is about 25% away from "do nothing" and 75% away from "free ride".
The immediate problem that needs to be addressed is ensuring that credit is available. That can be done without committing to any long term crap that we don't want.
After that, we can look at restitution, criminal charges, CEO compensation limitation, regulations, and everything else that is necessary to reform the banking industry.
After that (or in parallel) there's efforts that need to be done to put money back at the bottom of the enconomic rung (such as a WPA program).
Only the first item can be realistically done prior to 1/20/2009, and I have my doubts that they can do it right.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/01/2008 13:51:18
Scoopster on 10/01/2008 13:51:18
So.. yesterday I was walking along on the way home from the grocery store when I heard a really friggin loud THUD! from one of the passing cars. At first I thought it was an accident.
...until I saw a mass of orange feathers fall at my feet on the sidewalk. A robin had flown into someone's windshield. I freaked out for a couple seconds watching it flop around in pain, then pulled out my cell phone to call the Audubon Society (it's down the street from my house). Unfortunately before I could finish dialing the poor thing had stopped moving. :cry:
I had some pretty messed up dreams about this incident last night.
...until I saw a mass of orange feathers fall at my feet on the sidewalk. A robin had flown into someone's windshield. I freaked out for a couple seconds watching it flop around in pain, then pulled out my cell phone to call the Audubon Society (it's down the street from my house). Unfortunately before I could finish dialing the poor thing had stopped moving. :cry:
I had some pretty messed up dreams about this incident last night.
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:54:33
I yield to your superior understanding.
My anger is overloading my capacity to be reasonable. And thus my ability to understand.
I want something out of this. And if I don't get it I will not forget or forgive.
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:54:33
Quote by BobR:Quote by Grumpymann:
Um.....
You know your right.
Let me ask you this.
In the bill that failed was there limits on CEO pay?
Were there warrants given to the tax payers for perfered stock?
What did we get out of it?
This one I will answer not a damn thing.
Not even a VERY BAD dog and pony show.
Not one real thing for the people that were suffering now or in the future.
My responses are not based on the crap bill that thankfully failed.
The two extremes here are "do nothing" or "give them a butt-load of cash, with few strings attached". I think the best approach is about 25% away from "do nothing" and 75% away from "free ride".
The immediate problem that needs to be addressed is ensuring that credit is available. That can be done without committing to any long term crap that we don't want.
After that, we can look at restitution, criminal charges, CEO compensation limitation, regulations, and everything else that is necessary to reform the banking industry.
After that (or in parallel) there's efforts that need to be done to put money back at the bottom of the enconomic rung (such as a WPA program).
Only the first item can be realistically done prior to 1/20/2009, and I have my doubts that they can do it right.
I yield to your superior understanding.
My anger is overloading my capacity to be reasonable. And thus my ability to understand.
I want something out of this. And if I don't get it I will not forget or forgive.