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Limping off into the Darkness
Author: BobR
Date: 10/01/2008 12:34:21
The current economic meltdown and our government's seeming inability to agree on what to do about it has been dominating the news ever since the Paulson "plan" was released (along with the apparently incorrect dire warnings that we were just days away from slipping into the abyss). Close on its heels are the random bits demonstrating the McCain campaign's political hari-kari, and Palin's ignorant arrogance. Obama is hardly in the news anymore at all.
Also missing in action is pResident Bush.
Oh, he makes the occasional appearance, like the groundhog emerging from its burrow to let us all know we have 6 more weeks of winter. But the strutting cocky rancher is gone. In his place is a defeated deflated miserable man with a reverse Midas touch that has seen everything he's touched turn to shit. Even the pundits that once supported him have noticed:
At this point in his career, he's not just a lame duck - he's an impotent aging mandarin, no longer respected or even relevant. On numerous occasions recently it's been Obama that's stepped up to act presidential. Congress seems to have finally limped away from Bush's death grip on them (although they still have moments of Stockholm Syndrome). It seems that Bush has finally realized that his legacy is going to be a broken America, and there's nothing he can do about it.
Of course - it's not like he's actually tried to do anything. He swallowed the Friedman economic model hook line and sinker. He sat in the driver's seat while the economy plowed toward the cliff, and took his hands off the steering wheel saying "it will correct itself". Imagine his surprise as it went hurtling over the edge... we can only hope it lands on its wheels rather than exploding in a ball of fire.
Normally these sorts of retrospectives are done closer to the man leaving office, but it appears his spirit has already left, and only the hunched muttering shell is left behind to muddle through these next 16 weeks. So what will his legacy leave behind?
Only time will tell how history eulogizes this period of American history, but there's very little positive that can be culled from the heaping stinking pile. Besides Bush's blundering through his presidency like the drunken redneck he is, there was congress rubber-stamping every noxious request from Bush, the Democrats' seeming unwillingness to stand up to him, and the American citizens (and the press) too cowed in fear to raise much of a protest.
It's not just an ugly legacy for Bush - it's an ugly legacy for ALL of America. We can make amends on Nov 4th. It's no longer Bush's job to fix this; now it's ours.
Also missing in action is pResident Bush.
Oh, he makes the occasional appearance, like the groundhog emerging from its burrow to let us all know we have 6 more weeks of winter. But the strutting cocky rancher is gone. In his place is a defeated deflated miserable man with a reverse Midas touch that has seen everything he's touched turn to shit. Even the pundits that once supported him have noticed:
At this point in his career, he's not just a lame duck - he's an impotent aging mandarin, no longer respected or even relevant. On numerous occasions recently it's been Obama that's stepped up to act presidential. Congress seems to have finally limped away from Bush's death grip on them (although they still have moments of Stockholm Syndrome). It seems that Bush has finally realized that his legacy is going to be a broken America, and there's nothing he can do about it.
Of course - it's not like he's actually tried to do anything. He swallowed the Friedman economic model hook line and sinker. He sat in the driver's seat while the economy plowed toward the cliff, and took his hands off the steering wheel saying "it will correct itself". Imagine his surprise as it went hurtling over the edge... we can only hope it lands on its wheels rather than exploding in a ball of fire.
Normally these sorts of retrospectives are done closer to the man leaving office, but it appears his spirit has already left, and only the hunched muttering shell is left behind to muddle through these next 16 weeks. So what will his legacy leave behind?
- Iraq: He didn't just break America, he also broke Iraq, and in spectacular fashion. Our illustrious TriSec reports the latest stats every Tues, but the once thriving modern non-theocratic nation has literally been bombed back to the "stone age", with tribal fighting, few modern conveniences, and a long brutal road ahead of them. All this for only $500 billion dollars and over 4000 American lives.
- Torture: They opened this Pandora's Box, putting American soldiers at risk for retributional torture. Way to support the troops...
- Hurricane Katrina: The response to the hurricane was illustrative of the Bush Administration's approach to governing: do as little as possible and do it incompetently. The criminal negligence experienced by the citizens of NoLa was a microcosm of the entire Bush administration. Heckuva job there Brownie...
- Habeas Corpus: Bush didn't just shred the Constitution, he shredded hundreds of years of legal precedence. Was it necessary? Of course not - he just wanted to feel the power.
- Spying on Americans: Nixon could've learned a thing or two about paranoia from this administration. They wanted to know what everyone was doing all the time. The only thing more disgusting than this was all of the "Americans" that said "hey - no problem... I've got nothing to hide".
- Acting the Buffoon: The seemingly never-ending embarrassment coming from his antics are far too numerous to mention, but some of the more memorable include dancing, trying to open fake doors, giving Angela Merkel a quick back rub, mispronouncing words (including world leaders' names), being unable to define what a sovereign country is, and boasting that a 51% edge in the 2004 election was a "mandate".
Only time will tell how history eulogizes this period of American history, but there's very little positive that can be culled from the heaping stinking pile. Besides Bush's blundering through his presidency like the drunken redneck he is, there was congress rubber-stamping every noxious request from Bush, the Democrats' seeming unwillingness to stand up to him, and the American citizens (and the press) too cowed in fear to raise much of a protest.
It's not just an ugly legacy for Bush - it's an ugly legacy for ALL of America. We can make amends on Nov 4th. It's no longer Bush's job to fix this; now it's ours.
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Comment by 
Raine on 10/01/2008 12:45:40
Raine on 10/01/2008 12:45:40
Good Morning. I am off to the Dentist again today... Will be taking my happy little xanax in a bit.... I wanted to leacve you with this, excerpts from an interview John McCAin did this morning with the Des Moines REgister. He is ready to blow, folks.
This diary at Kos has it, plus all the examples of the man temper.
This diary at Kos has it, plus all the examples of the man temper.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:46:05
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:46:05
Fristy pants! 
:party:
Don't mind me, I am giddy with lack of sleep. I've not been to sleep yet, and not in a good way either!
:party:Don't mind me, I am giddy with lack of sleep. I've not been to sleep yet, and not in a good way either!
Comment by 
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 12:47:31
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 12:47:31
Morning :hug:
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:49:30
Okay, Raine beat me to it. Sorry! Boy, howdy is McCain a snarky condescending asshat or what!
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:49:30
Quote by Raine:
Good Morning. I am off to the Dentist again today... Will be taking my happy little xanax in a bit.... I wanted to leacve you with this, excerpts from an interview John McCAin did this morning with the Des Moines REgister. He is ready to blow, folks.
This diary at Kos has it, plus all the examples of the man temper.
Okay, Raine beat me to it. Sorry! Boy, howdy is McCain a snarky condescending asshat or what!
Comment by 
BobR on 10/01/2008 12:49:37
oooh.... not so fristy...
We're going to have to move you down to storage room "B".... :grabs stapler:
BobR on 10/01/2008 12:49:37
Quote by Mondobubba:
Fristy pants!
Don't mind me, I am giddy with lack of sleep. I've not been to sleep yet, and not in a good way either!
oooh.... not so fristy...
We're going to have to move you down to storage room "B".... :grabs stapler:
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:51:29
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:51:29
Bobber nice blog. I will reread it later after I have slept to make sure I wasn't hallucinating or anything. :wacko:
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:52:15
:muttersL I will burn the building down.
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:52:15
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Fristy pants!
Don't mind me, I am giddy with lack of sleep. I've not been to sleep yet, and not in a good way either!
oooh.... not so fristy...
We're going to have to move you down to storage room "B".... :grabs stapler:
:muttersL I will burn the building down.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:54:54
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 12:54:54
Some how I don't think the Des Moines Register is going to endorse McCain.
Comment by 
TriSec on 10/01/2008 12:57:22
TriSec on 10/01/2008 12:57:22
Morning, comrades!
Having learned my lesson yesterday...check out the precipitous drop.
FL, OH, and NC have now moved to the "exactly tied" column.
Having learned my lesson yesterday...check out the precipitous drop.
FL, OH, and NC have now moved to the "exactly tied" column.
Comment by 
Shane-O on 10/01/2008 12:59:11
Shane-O on 10/01/2008 12:59:11
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Fristy pants!
Don't mind me, I am giddy with lack of sleep. I've not been to sleep yet, and not in a good way either!
oooh.... not so fristy...
We're going to have to move you down to storage room "B".... :grabs stapler:
:muttersL I will burn the building down.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:05:14
Yeah I noticed that last night when KO was talking to the however many total electoral votes there are dot com dude. Florida was a lovely shade of very pale blue.
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:05:14
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades!
Having learned my lesson yesterday...check out the precipitous drop.
FL, OH, and NC have now moved to the "exactly tied" column.
Yeah I noticed that last night when KO was talking to the however many total electoral votes there are dot com dude. Florida was a lovely shade of very pale blue.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:06:39
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:06:39
I'm tired, but not as tired as Larry King. Mala, you should know this one 
It is a Don & Mike classic!
It is a Don & Mike classic!
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 13:06:50
Raine on 10/01/2008 13:06:50
I have never been an astronaut, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn. --
Can someone please tell me what the hell Gramps was talking about in that video? A simple question about his OWN healthcare, and he either can't or won't answer it.
John McCain is really an asshat. I can only imagine what the entire video looks like.
Can someone please tell me what the hell Gramps was talking about in that video? A simple question about his OWN healthcare, and he either can't or won't answer it.
John McCain is really an asshat. I can only imagine what the entire video looks like.
Comment by 
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:09:36
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:09:36
Hello....
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:10:08
Screw not with the Des Moines Register, Mr McCain.
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:10:08
Quote by Raine:
I have never been an astronaut, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn. --
Can someone please tell me what the hell Gramps was talking about in that video? A simple question about his OWN healthcare, and he either can't or won't answer it.
John McCain is really an asshat. I can only imagine what the entire video looks like.
Screw not with the Des Moines Register, Mr McCain.
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:10:22
He is a silly old man....
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:10:22
Quote by Raine:
I have never been an astronaut, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn. --
Can someone please tell me what the hell Gramps was talking about in that video? A simple question about his OWN healthcare, and he either can't or won't answer it.
John McCain is really an asshat. I can only imagine what the entire video looks like.
He is a silly old man....
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 13:10:37
Raine on 10/01/2008 13:10:37
Hello Grump!
I have just taken my mellow pill... I suspect a slow decline in basic motor function from here on in.
I have just taken my mellow pill... I suspect a slow decline in basic motor function from here on in.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:11:13
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:11:13
Beaver teeth! Yikes!
Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2008 13:11:31
TriSec on 10/01/2008 13:11:31
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:12:54
Right out of the gate too. It is a sad, sad thing when the show goes into a ditch so soon.
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:12:54
Quote by TriSec:
Right out of the gate too. It is a sad, sad thing when the show goes into a ditch so soon.
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:13:11
I think I need one of those.....
If one more person says we need to bail out wall street and not mention the WPA or something like it I think I will go rethug!
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:13:11
Quote by Raine:
Hello Grump!
I have just taken my mellow pill... I suspect a slow decline in basic motor function from here on in.
I think I need one of those.....
If one more person says we need to bail out wall street and not mention the WPA or something like it I think I will go rethug!
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 13:15:48
Raine on 10/01/2008 13:15:48
Wow. Jim does a great Taz!
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:16:05
"Things I have confidence in the young MD." :spit:
Still holds up to the test of time.
I"m worried about the club
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:16:05
Quote by Mondobubba:
I'm tired, but not as tired as Larry King. Mala, you should know this one
"Things I have confidence in the young MD." :spit:
Still holds up to the test of time.
I"m worried about the club
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:20:15
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:20:15
Thinks Quayle looks smart compared to her.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 13:21:14
Raine on 10/01/2008 13:21:14
OMG. This woman is just so arrogant and intellectually incurious it's stunning.
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:21:22
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:21:22
ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2008 13:21:36
TriSec on 10/01/2008 13:21:36
Lessee....so far this morning, I have read:
Waltham News Tribune
Boston Globe
Blue Mass Group
Rational News Review
Lew Rockwell
Jim Hightower
MSNBC
and before the day is out, I'll check the Globe several more times, Google News, the BBC, and Newsvine.
Waltham News Tribune
Boston Globe
Blue Mass Group
Rational News Review
Lew Rockwell
Jim Hightower
MSNBC
and before the day is out, I'll check the Globe several more times, Google News, the BBC, and Newsvine.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:23:21
Tri - you bring the highbrow, I'll bring the low - I've read Perez and TMZ ;)
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:23:21
Quote by TriSec:
Lessee....so far this morning, I have read:
Waltham News Tribune
Boston Globe
Blue Mass Group
Rational News Review
Lew Rockwell
Jim Hightower
MSNBC
and before the day is out, I'll check the Globe several more times, Google News, the BBC, and Newsvine.
Tri - you bring the highbrow, I'll bring the low - I've read Perez and TMZ ;)
Comment by BobR on 10/01/2008 13:24:34
A WPA-type program is absolutely necessary for a long-term solution... but it won't ensure that your average business that employs average Americans will have access to the credit they need to operate in the short term.
The two approaches are not mutually exclusive. Whether or not the greedy pigs in the investment banks get their comuppance, the availability of credit is essential to the well-being of most Americans, so a short term solution for that problem is required.
Obama has already discussed WPA-type programs that he plans on implementing when he becomes president. I would rather have him directing that effort than have congress try to handle that now.
BobR on 10/01/2008 13:24:34
Quote by Grumpymann:
I think I need one of those.....
If one more person says we need to bail out wall street and not mention the WPA or something like it I think I will go rethug!
A WPA-type program is absolutely necessary for a long-term solution... but it won't ensure that your average business that employs average Americans will have access to the credit they need to operate in the short term.
The two approaches are not mutually exclusive. Whether or not the greedy pigs in the investment banks get their comuppance, the availability of credit is essential to the well-being of most Americans, so a short term solution for that problem is required.
Obama has already discussed WPA-type programs that he plans on implementing when he becomes president. I would rather have him directing that effort than have congress try to handle that now.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:25:30
Just like W! No, wait she is even more so. She is as dumb as a bag of door nobs.
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:25:30
Quote by Raine:
OMG. This woman is just so arrogant and intellectually incurious it's stunning.
Just like W! No, wait she is even more so. She is as dumb as a bag of door nobs.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:27:24
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:27:24
Mondo!
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:27:46
GOD my life sucks! When this dilHole can get a job and I can't!
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:27:46
Accused of permitting unwarranted spying on citizens, torture, helping to blow a CIA agent's cover and firing non-political appointees for political reasons, former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales left the White House shrouded in ignominy. Facebook just hired his former right-hand man, Ted Ullyot, as its general counsel.
GOD my life sucks! When this dilHole can get a job and I can't!
Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2008 13:28:43
TriSec on 10/01/2008 13:28:43
Mondo representing the smithing industry!
Ah, we have an actual blacksmith school around the corner from me here in Waltham (in the city!)
Apparently, with all the colonial houses around here, there's still a market for hand-wrought, accurate period hardware. (and they've always taken care of the horses around Metrowest...)
Ah, we have an actual blacksmith school around the corner from me here in Waltham (in the city!)
Apparently, with all the colonial houses around here, there's still a market for hand-wrought, accurate period hardware. (and they've always taken care of the horses around Metrowest...)
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:31:27
Doing the same thing that got us in this mess to get us out, all the while trusting the same untrustworthy people to do the right thing will not work.
The banks have the money.
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:31:27
Quote by BobR:Quote by Grumpymann:
I think I need one of those.....
If one more person says we need to bail out wall street and not mention the WPA or something like it I think I will go rethug!
A WPA-type program is absolutely necessary for a long-term solution... but it won't ensure that your average business that employs average Americans will have access to the credit they need to operate in the short term.
The two approaches are not mutually exclusive. Whether or not the greedy pigs in the investment banks get their comuppance, the availability of credit is essential to the well-being of most Americans, so a short term solution for that problem is required.
Obama has already discussed WPA-type programs that he plans on implementing when he becomes president. I would rather have him directing that effort than have congress try to handle that now.
The banks have the money.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 13:32:57
I read the warning labels on my Xanax bottle....
Raine on 10/01/2008 13:32:57
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by TriSec:
Lessee....so far this morning, I have read:
Waltham News Tribune
Boston Globe
Blue Mass Group
Rational News Review
Lew Rockwell
Jim Hightower
MSNBC
and before the day is out, I'll check the Globe several more times, Google News, the BBC, and Newsvine.
Tri - you bring the highbrow, I'll bring the low - I've read Perez and TMZ ;)
Comment by BobR on 10/01/2008 13:34:32
Where have I ever said to trust them? I've said over on the board that they need to be kept on a very short leash.
BobR on 10/01/2008 13:34:32
Quote by Grumpymann:
Doing the same thing that got us in this mess to get us out, all the while trusting the same untrustworthy people to do the right thing will not work.
The banks have the money.
Where have I ever said to trust them? I've said over on the board that they need to be kept on a very short leash.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:34:52
That is the very thing my blacksmithing friend does. He is very good at it. If I had need for wrought iron & lived say in Maryland, I would engage his services.
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:34:52
Quote by TriSec:
Mondo representing the smithing industry!
Ah, we have an actual blacksmith school around the corner from me here in Waltham (in the city!)
Apparently, with all the colonial houses around here, there's still a market for hand-wrought, accurate period hardware. (and they've always taken care of the horses around Metrowest...)
That is the very thing my blacksmithing friend does. He is very good at it. If I had need for wrought iron & lived say in Maryland, I would engage his services.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:35:49
Don't drink, etc? That is riveting!
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:35:49
Quote by Raine:I read the warning labels on my Xanax bottle....Quote by wickedpam:Quote by TriSec:
Lessee....so far this morning, I have read:
Waltham News Tribune
Boston Globe
Blue Mass Group
Rational News Review
Lew Rockwell
Jim Hightower
MSNBC
and before the day is out, I'll check the Globe several more times, Google News, the BBC, and Newsvine.
Tri - you bring the highbrow, I'll bring the low - I've read Perez and TMZ ;)
Don't drink, etc? That is riveting!
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:37:34
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:37:34
That's one of the best scenes in Miss Congenality. Sandra Bullock goes off on this tangent about fire arms and the crowd is stunned silent - then she lands on world peace and the crowd goes nuts.
Maybe we're all just living in an epic Sandra Bullock movie.
Maybe we're all just living in an epic Sandra Bullock movie.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 13:38:32
Raine on 10/01/2008 13:38:32
:poke: 
<----- The Des Register interview, emoticon Theatre style.
<----- The Des Register interview, emoticon Theatre style.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:38:39
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:38:39
JESUS GOD THERE IS HANNITY BLAMING BLACK PEOPLE! What a frickin' pant load. I really despise that meme.
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:39:27
Um.....
You know your right.
Let me ask you this.
In the bill that failed was there limits on CEO pay?
Were there warrants given to the tax payers for perfered stock?
What did we get out of it?
This one I will answer not a damn thing.
Not even a VERY BAD dog and pony show.
Not one real thing for the people that were suffering now or in the future.
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:39:27
Quote by BobR:Quote by Grumpymann:
Doing the same thing that got us in this mess to get us out, all the while trusting the same untrustworthy people to do the right thing will not work.
The banks have the money.
Where have I ever said to trust them? I've said over on the board that they need to be kept on a very short leash.
Um.....
You know your right.
Let me ask you this.
In the bill that failed was there limits on CEO pay?
Were there warrants given to the tax payers for perfered stock?
What did we get out of it?
This one I will answer not a damn thing.
Not even a VERY BAD dog and pony show.
Not one real thing for the people that were suffering now or in the future.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:40:26
:spit:
: drags self to fainting couch:
Hey Raine, I haven't gone to sleep yet, you are medicated. Who's motor function will fail first? : drama :
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:40:26
Quote by Raine:
:poke:
:spit:
: drags self to fainting couch: Hey Raine, I haven't gone to sleep yet, you are medicated. Who's motor function will fail first? : drama :
Comment by 
Scoopster on 10/01/2008 13:40:45
Scoopster on 10/01/2008 13:40:45
Morning all! 
:hug:
My my.. you guys have been busy early on this :airhump:day..
:hug:My my.. you guys have been busy early on this :airhump:day..
Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2008 13:43:23
TriSec on 10/01/2008 13:43:23
"If Idiots could fly, Wasilla would be the airport"
"A few wires short of a radio"
"Dumber than a box of hair"
"She's as sharp as a bowling ball" (credit to Foghorn Leghorn for that one.)
"Not the brightest Star" (Boy scout saying)
"Not enough flap for takeoff"
More?
"A few wires short of a radio"
"Dumber than a box of hair"
"She's as sharp as a bowling ball" (credit to Foghorn Leghorn for that one.)
"Not the brightest Star" (Boy scout saying)
"Not enough flap for takeoff"
More?
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:47:17
The mortgage industry is a small part of the financial system. The "Sub-Prime" sector is even smaller. And the amount of Minority browers is 16%.
So what they are saying is that 16% of a small sector of a piece of the financial system had the power to grind the great US economy to a halt?
He is not only a pant load he's a republican.
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:47:17
Quote by Mondobubba:
JESUS GOD THERE IS HANNITY BLAMING BLACK PEOPLE! What a frickin' pant load. I really despise that meme.
The mortgage industry is a small part of the financial system. The "Sub-Prime" sector is even smaller. And the amount of Minority browers is 16%.
So what they are saying is that 16% of a small sector of a piece of the financial system had the power to grind the great US economy to a halt?
He is not only a pant load he's a republican.
Comment by BobR on 10/01/2008 13:48:08
My responses are not based on the crap bill that thankfully failed.
The two extremes here are "do nothing" or "give them a butt-load of cash, with few strings attached". I think the best approach is about 25% away from "do nothing" and 75% away from "free ride".
The immediate problem that needs to be addressed is ensuring that credit is available. That can be done without committing to any long term crap that we don't want.
After that, we can look at restitution, criminal charges, CEO compensation limitation, regulations, and everything else that is necessary to reform the banking industry.
After that (or in parallel) there's efforts that need to be done to put money back at the bottom of the enconomic rung (such as a WPA program).
Only the first item can be realistically done prior to 1/20/2009, and I have my doubts that they can do it right.
BobR on 10/01/2008 13:48:08
Quote by Grumpymann:
Um.....
You know your right.
Let me ask you this.
In the bill that failed was there limits on CEO pay?
Were there warrants given to the tax payers for perfered stock?
What did we get out of it?
This one I will answer not a damn thing.
Not even a VERY BAD dog and pony show.
Not one real thing for the people that were suffering now or in the future.
My responses are not based on the crap bill that thankfully failed.
The two extremes here are "do nothing" or "give them a butt-load of cash, with few strings attached". I think the best approach is about 25% away from "do nothing" and 75% away from "free ride".
The immediate problem that needs to be addressed is ensuring that credit is available. That can be done without committing to any long term crap that we don't want.
After that, we can look at restitution, criminal charges, CEO compensation limitation, regulations, and everything else that is necessary to reform the banking industry.
After that (or in parallel) there's efforts that need to be done to put money back at the bottom of the enconomic rung (such as a WPA program).
Only the first item can be realistically done prior to 1/20/2009, and I have my doubts that they can do it right.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/01/2008 13:51:18
Scoopster on 10/01/2008 13:51:18
So.. yesterday I was walking along on the way home from the grocery store when I heard a really friggin loud THUD! from one of the passing cars. At first I thought it was an accident.
...until I saw a mass of orange feathers fall at my feet on the sidewalk. A robin had flown into someone's windshield. I freaked out for a couple seconds watching it flop around in pain, then pulled out my cell phone to call the Audubon Society (it's down the street from my house). Unfortunately before I could finish dialing the poor thing had stopped moving. :cry:
I had some pretty messed up dreams about this incident last night.
...until I saw a mass of orange feathers fall at my feet on the sidewalk. A robin had flown into someone's windshield. I freaked out for a couple seconds watching it flop around in pain, then pulled out my cell phone to call the Audubon Society (it's down the street from my house). Unfortunately before I could finish dialing the poor thing had stopped moving. :cry:
I had some pretty messed up dreams about this incident last night.
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:54:33
I yield to your superior understanding.
My anger is overloading my capacity to be reasonable. And thus my ability to understand.
I want something out of this. And if I don't get it I will not forget or forgive.
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 13:54:33
Quote by BobR:Quote by Grumpymann:
Um.....
You know your right.
Let me ask you this.
In the bill that failed was there limits on CEO pay?
Were there warrants given to the tax payers for perfered stock?
What did we get out of it?
This one I will answer not a damn thing.
Not even a VERY BAD dog and pony show.
Not one real thing for the people that were suffering now or in the future.
My responses are not based on the crap bill that thankfully failed.
The two extremes here are "do nothing" or "give them a butt-load of cash, with few strings attached". I think the best approach is about 25% away from "do nothing" and 75% away from "free ride".
The immediate problem that needs to be addressed is ensuring that credit is available. That can be done without committing to any long term crap that we don't want.
After that, we can look at restitution, criminal charges, CEO compensation limitation, regulations, and everything else that is necessary to reform the banking industry.
After that (or in parallel) there's efforts that need to be done to put money back at the bottom of the enconomic rung (such as a WPA program).
Only the first item can be realistically done prior to 1/20/2009, and I have my doubts that they can do it right.
I yield to your superior understanding.
My anger is overloading my capacity to be reasonable. And thus my ability to understand.
I want something out of this. And if I don't get it I will not forget or forgive.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:56:37
More, baby, MORE! :rofl:
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:56:37
Quote by TriSec:
"If Idiots could fly, Wasilla would be the airport"
"A few wires short of a radio"
"Dumber than a box of hair"
"She's as sharp as a bowling ball" (credit to Foghorn Leghorn for that one.)
"Not the brightest Star" (Boy scout saying)
"Not enough flap for takeoff"
More?
More, baby, MORE! :rofl:
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:58:08
Oh Grump thanks! I will add that to the arsenal when I go toe to toe with a Republitard.
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 13:58:08
Quote by Grumpymann:Quote by Mondobubba:
JESUS GOD THERE IS HANNITY BLAMING BLACK PEOPLE! What a frickin' pant load. I really despise that meme.
The mortgage industry is a small part of the financial system. The "Sub-Prime" sector is even smaller. And the amount of Minority browers is 16%.
So what they are saying is that 16% of a small sector of a piece of the financial system had the power to grind the great US economy to a halt?
He is not only a pant load he's a republican.
Oh Grump thanks! I will add that to the arsenal when I go toe to toe with a Republitard.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:58:57
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 13:58:57
Over the weekend I was at a local craft festival where they had Prince William County Dems and Repub's.
The Dems were talking the issues, handing out info, registering for people to vote, talking about the debate and so on.
The Repubs were selling "I
Sarah" t-shirts and standing around drinking coffee.
The Dems were talking the issues, handing out info, registering for people to vote, talking about the debate and so on.
The Repubs were selling "I
Sarah" t-shirts and standing around drinking coffee.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 14:00:20
If I may quote Dana Carvey doing Ross Perot: That's just sad!
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 14:00:20
Quote by wickedpam:
Over the weekend I was at a local craft festival where they had Prince William County Dems and Repub's.
The Dems were talking the issues, handing out info, registering for people to vote, talking about the debate and so on.
The Repubs were selling "I
If I may quote Dana Carvey doing Ross Perot: That's just sad!
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 14:02:32
Add to that that the MAJORITY of "Real People" that are defaulting in "Sub-Prime" loans are upper Middle Class White People.
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 14:02:32
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Grumpymann:Quote by Mondobubba:
JESUS GOD THERE IS HANNITY BLAMING BLACK PEOPLE! What a frickin' pant load. I really despise that meme.
The mortgage industry is a small part of the financial system. The "Sub-Prime" sector is even smaller. And the amount of Minority browers is 16%.
So what they are saying is that 16% of a small sector of a piece of the financial system had the power to grind the great US economy to a halt?
He is not only a pant load he's a republican.
Oh Grump thanks! I will add that to the arsenal when I go toe to toe with a Republitard.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 14:03:20
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 14:03:20
Oh BTW the new federal fiscal year starts today. Bailout bill vote tomorrow. Coincident or not? 
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 10/01/2008 14:03:42
velveeta jones on 10/01/2008 14:03:42
Morning all!
Great post BobR. Did anyone see Steven Colbert last night? I loved his explanation of the new bush legacy (the bailout fiasco)...... "all the other stuff like Iraq, Wiretapping, Gitmo, Katrina, torture and the Federal Prosecuter firings were all like little paint drippings on the floor. And this financial crisis is like the entire floor has been painted. Like a nice clean "Legacy Slate".
:lol:
Great post BobR. Did anyone see Steven Colbert last night? I loved his explanation of the new bush legacy (the bailout fiasco)...... "all the other stuff like Iraq, Wiretapping, Gitmo, Katrina, torture and the Federal Prosecuter firings were all like little paint drippings on the floor. And this financial crisis is like the entire floor has been painted. Like a nice clean "Legacy Slate".
:lol:
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 14:07:55
It was kinda sad. It was just a bunch of old white men and a few ladies standing around with thier coffee talking. While the Dem booth was staffed with younger (20-40) people happily talking to everyone who passed by.
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 14:07:55
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
Over the weekend I was at a local craft festival where they had Prince William County Dems and Repub's.
The Dems were talking the issues, handing out info, registering for people to vote, talking about the debate and so on.
The Repubs were selling "I
If I may quote Dana Carvey doing Ross Perot: That's just sad!
It was kinda sad. It was just a bunch of old white men and a few ladies standing around with thier coffee talking. While the Dem booth was staffed with younger (20-40) people happily talking to everyone who passed by.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 14:12:44
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 14:12:44
I am past second wind and into eye crossing sleep deprivation. I am signing off for a while folks. Nighters or what ever.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 14:17:03
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 14:17:03
no one can play the Sheriff like Alan Rickman
Comment by velveeta jones on 10/01/2008 14:20:57
That sucks!
velveeta jones on 10/01/2008 14:20:57
Quote by Scoopster:
So.. yesterday I was walking along on the way home from the grocery store when I heard a really friggin loud THUD! from one of the passing cars. At first I thought it was an accident.
...until I saw a mass of orange feathers fall at my feet on the sidewalk. A robin had flown into someone's windshield. I freaked out for a couple seconds watching it flop around in pain, then pulled out my cell phone to call the Audubon Society (it's down the street from my house). Unfortunately before I could finish dialing the poor thing had stopped moving. :cry:
I had some pretty messed up dreams about this incident last night.
That sucks!
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 14:41:08
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 14:41:08
Hello?
Comment by BobR on 10/01/2008 14:43:34
BobR on 10/01/2008 14:43:34
Back from dropping "wobbles" off at the dentist. The xanax was definitely kicking her ass - she looked like the leaning tower of Pisa standing in the elevator... :lol:
Comment by 
livingonli on 10/01/2008 14:46:08
livingonli on 10/01/2008 14:46:08
A belated good morning to everyone. Damn, I missed Mondo's call.
It's bad enough that I didn't get to bed until after 4 AM. That's what I get for trying to watch Keith and Rachel and catch up on my e-mail and facecrack when I got home.
It's bad enough that I didn't get to bed until after 4 AM. That's what I get for trying to watch Keith and Rachel and catch up on my e-mail and facecrack when I got home.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 14:52:21
:spit: <-coffee
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 14:52:21
Quote by BobR:
Back from dropping "wobbles" off at the dentist. The xanax was definitely kicking her ass - she looked like the leaning tower of Pisa standing in the elevator... :lol:
:spit: <-coffee
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 14:54:42
As long as she doesn't collapse in the street again like in that drawing.
livingonli on 10/01/2008 14:54:42
Quote by BobR:
Back from dropping "wobbles" off at the dentist. The xanax was definitely kicking her ass - she looked like the leaning tower of Pisa standing in the elevator... :lol:
As long as she doesn't collapse in the street again like in that drawing.
Comment by 
m-hadley on 10/01/2008 14:55:00
m-hadley on 10/01/2008 14:55:00
Mornin' Everybody :(
I am so bummed out - my folks are 12+ years into their retirement and they lost over $100,000.00 this week - I know that the market will come back (or that's what they tell me anyway :shrug:), but I don't know if it will come back in time to save my parents - who I love very very much - I guess if they have to move in with me it's okay with me, but I fear it would hurt them beyond words them (they are awfully proud people). I know how hard my Dad worked all his life to scrimp and save and it breaks my heart to see them have to worry their way through their last years on this earth :rage:
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
I am so bummed out - my folks are 12+ years into their retirement and they lost over $100,000.00 this week - I know that the market will come back (or that's what they tell me anyway :shrug:), but I don't know if it will come back in time to save my parents - who I love very very much - I guess if they have to move in with me it's okay with me, but I fear it would hurt them beyond words them (they are awfully proud people). I know how hard my Dad worked all his life to scrimp and save and it breaks my heart to see them have to worry their way through their last years on this earth :rage:
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 14:56:28
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 14:56:28
right a knocked up teen is all about family values
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 14:56:47
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 14:56:47
HOW!?
Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2008 14:57:35
TriSec on 10/01/2008 14:57:35
Right Wing caller showing off the usual intelligence.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 14:57:56
wow - the car is vearing wildly.
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 14:57:56
wow - the car is vearing wildly.
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 14:58:15
livingonli on 10/01/2008 14:58:15
I think that was the shallowest call I ever heard on this program.
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 14:59:22
Oh, mfaye. I think we are all getting screwed these days.
livingonli on 10/01/2008 14:59:22
Quote by m-hadley:
Mornin' Everybody :(
I am so bummed out - my folks are 12+ years into their retirement and they lost over $100,000.00 this week - I know that the market will come back (or that's what they tell me anyway :shrug:), but I don't know if it will come back in time to save my parents - who I love very very much - I guess if they have to move in with me it's okay with me, but I fear it would hurt them beyond words them (they are awfully proud people). I know how hard my Dad worked all his life to scrimp and save and it breaks my heart to see them have to worry their way through their last years on this earth :rage:
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Oh, mfaye.
I think we are all getting screwed these days.
Comment by velveeta jones on 10/01/2008 14:59:57
velveeta jones on 10/01/2008 14:59:57
Good grief! That was one loopy caller!! Maybe he had a bit of Raine's Xanex? :lol:
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 15:03:27
That guy was as sharp as a wet noodle.
livingonli on 10/01/2008 15:03:27
Quote by velveeta jones:
Good grief! That was one loopy caller!! Maybe he had a bit of Raine's Xanex? :lol:
That guy was as sharp as a wet noodle.
Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2008 15:07:41
TriSec on 10/01/2008 15:07:41
So, if RW caller can't let his kids walk to school because of the liberals, then I can't *drive* mine to school because of the conservatives. (gas costs too much.)
We live out of the neighborhood where the school is, it's a mile and change, but across two main streets and an active rail line, walking is not an option.
(Ok, ok...the city has a school bus.)
We live out of the neighborhood where the school is, it's a mile and change, but across two main streets and an active rail line, walking is not an option.
(Ok, ok...the city has a school bus.)
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 15:09:31
Has them for now....
Tax base is going to tank.
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 15:09:31
Quote by TriSec:
So, if RW caller can't let his kids walk to school because of the liberals, then I can't *drive* mine to school because of the conservatives. (gas costs too much.)
We live out of the neighborhood where the school is, it's a mile and change, but across two main streets and an active rail line, walking is not an option.
(Ok, ok...the city has a school bus.)
Has them for now....
Tax base is going to tank.
Comment by m-hadley on 10/01/2008 15:10:22
I know it Livin I know that my family and I are not hurting as much as some folks are, so I'll shut up now :(
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
m-hadley on 10/01/2008 15:10:22
Quote by livingonli:
Oh, mfaye.
I know it Livin
I know that my family and I are not hurting as much as some folks are, so I'll shut up now :(Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 15:10:38
Until the school bus is a casualty of budget cuts.
Soon, every kid can be like their grandparents and walk to school 20 miles to school uphill both ways in the snow.
livingonli on 10/01/2008 15:10:38
Quote by TriSec:
So, if RW caller can't let his kids walk to school because of the liberals, then I can't *drive* mine to school because of the conservatives. (gas costs too much.)
We live out of the neighborhood where the school is, it's a mile and change, but across two main streets and an active rail line, walking is not an option.
(Ok, ok...the city has a school bus.)
Until the school bus is a casualty of budget cuts.
Soon, every kid can be like their grandparents and walk to school 20 miles to school uphill both ways in the snow.
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 15:11:30
Don't shut up. Say it loud and don't let the bastards get you down.
livingonli on 10/01/2008 15:11:30
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by livingonli:
Oh, mfaye.
I know it Livin
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Don't shut up. Say it loud and don't let the bastards get you down.
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 15:15:52
livingonli on 10/01/2008 15:15:52
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 15:17:54
OH MY FUCKING GOD!
Is that real?
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 15:17:54
Quote by livingonli:
OH MY FUCKING GOD!
Is that real?
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 15:18:59
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 15:18:59
NO it is NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY!
My I have to FEED MY FAMILY!
My I have to FEED MY FAMILY!
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 15:19:33
livingonli on 10/01/2008 15:19:33
BTW, Maron v. Seder becomes a daily show starting today at 3 PM on the internets.
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 15:20:56
I don't know. But it's funny as hell.
livingonli on 10/01/2008 15:20:56
Quote by Grumpymann:Quote by livingonli:
OH MY FUCKING GOD!
Is that real?
I don't know. But it's funny as hell.
Comment by Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 15:26:21
Grumpymann on 10/01/2008 15:26:21
Go Granny!
Go!
Go!
Comment by m-hadley on 10/01/2008 15:31:10
Sorry, the English major in me forced me to go back and correct my inexcusable error :(
mfaye
:gobama:
m-hadley on 10/01/2008 15:31:10
Quote by livingonli:Quote by m-hadley:Quote by livingonli:
Oh, mfaye.
I know it Livin
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Don't shut up. Say it loud and don't let the bastards get you down.
Sorry, the English major in me forced me to go back and correct my inexcusable error :(
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 15:35:31
livingonli on 10/01/2008 15:35:31
Oh, BTW, tonight and tomorrow are also the leaders debates for the Canadian election. Tonight is the French debate and tomorrow is the English debate which will be at the same time as the VP debate.
It's pretty much the same players as two years ago;
Stephen Harper (Tories)
Stephane Dion (Liberal)
Jack Layton (NDP) <--- my choice.
Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Quebecois)
And these debates will also include the Green Party leader who had to fight her way in.
It's pretty much the same players as two years ago;
Stephen Harper (Tories)
Stephane Dion (Liberal)
Jack Layton (NDP) <--- my choice.
Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Quebecois)
And these debates will also include the Green Party leader who had to fight her way in.
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 15:37:02
livingonli on 10/01/2008 15:37:02
Just remember mfaye, you always have friends here. And you know Raine will say the same thing once the cleaning and xanax wears off.
Comment by velveeta jones on 10/01/2008 15:41:35
velveeta jones on 10/01/2008 15:41:35
Awesome clipping from Ann and Nancy!! :rofl:
I posted it around the interwebs!
I posted it around the interwebs!
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 15:52:44
Raine on 10/01/2008 15:52:44
Back! that was must less traumatic than last time. My whole face is numb.
Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2008 15:56:08
TriSec on 10/01/2008 15:56:08
our dear Raine....post-dental trauma.
Comment by velveeta jones on 10/01/2008 15:57:20
Raine! You're back? Is evrythg okay? Ar you havng any issues? Drug inducded hallucinatzionans? Tires? Peel backs? Do your teeth make fuzzy pumkins hand meals and dust random? Get off the couch yes. Good to have your back to blog for John novel rebel character. Do yr bidding!!
:)
velveeta jones on 10/01/2008 15:57:20
Quote by Raine:
Back! that was must less traumatic than last time. My whole face is numb.
Raine! You're back? Is evrythg okay? Ar you havng any issues? Drug inducded hallucinatzionans? Tires? Peel backs? Do your teeth make fuzzy pumkins hand meals and dust random? Get off the couch yes. Good to have your back to blog for John novel rebel character. Do yr bidding!!
:)
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 15:59:02
Raine on 10/01/2008 15:59:02
Best part about the dentist was that I had three people come in... While I was getting shot up with drugs asking me what the hell was up with that alaska crazy Bitch!
A few of them may actually join our debate blog Friday night, becuase then they won't feel so bad as they sit home getting drunk!
A few of them may actually join our debate blog Friday night, becuase then they won't feel so bad as they sit home getting drunk!
Comment by velveeta jones on 10/01/2008 16:01:49
velveeta jones on 10/01/2008 16:01:49
I hope NoDakMom comes back as well. I'll drop by and invite her.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 16:02:43
Raine on 10/01/2008 16:02:43
This is just a great group of people in this office, I must say. The xanax is wearing off, I think.. (who knows... I feel just about as mellow as ... uhm... what is mellow? )
I tried to kiss BobR and my tongue accidentally went on his cheek.
Warning... do not kiss when medicated!
I tried to kiss BobR and my tongue accidentally went on his cheek.
Warning... do not kiss when medicated!
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 16:11:37
livingonli on 10/01/2008 16:11:37
Naomi Klein will be on hour three of Thom Hartmann.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 16:18:25
:spit: <- once again my coffee!
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 16:18:25
Quote by Raine:
This is just a great group of people in this office, I must say. The xanax is wearing off, I think.. (who knows... I feel just about as mellow as ... uhm... what is mellow? )
I tried to kiss BobR and my tongue accidentally went on his cheek.
Warning... do not kiss when medicated!
:spit: <- once again my coffee!
Comment by BobR on 10/01/2008 16:22:39
BobR on 10/01/2008 16:22:39
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 16:22:56
Raine on 10/01/2008 16:22:56
Sorry Mala.
coffee is terrible thing to be wasted.
coffee is terrible thing to be wasted.
Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2008 16:29:48
TriSec on 10/01/2008 16:29:48
TriSec exits his comfort zone this week...
I'm a career Webelos Den Leader (better than 15 years experience).
But I'm running the bears this year!
I did it once, ten years ago. Didn't like it. Was all too glad to graduate back to Webelos with my boys.
But it looks like I'll be doing bears for 2 years; Javi is up next season. (He's a Wolf this year.)
I'm a career Webelos Den Leader (better than 15 years experience).
But I'm running the bears this year!
I did it once, ten years ago. Didn't like it. Was all too glad to graduate back to Webelos with my boys.
But it looks like I'll be doing bears for 2 years; Javi is up next season. (He's a Wolf this year.)
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 16:43:52
Raine on 10/01/2008 16:43:52
OK... I heard it mentioned on Momma today that Elizabeth Hassleback was leaving the Show. Today at the dentist we actually watche dthe view, Especially when Barbara Walters gave aher a major dressing down... While looking for a youtube of it, I stumbled across this.
In 2001, she was cast in Survivor: The Australian Outback, and was originally a member of the Kucha tribe. She was the last remaining member of that tribe in the game before being voted off on Day 39 and finishing fourth overall.
In 2001, she was cast in Survivor: The Australian Outback, and was originally a member of the Kucha tribe. She was the last remaining member of that tribe in the game before being voted off on Day 39 and finishing fourth overall.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 16:54:01
yep, that was right before she married the football player. she certainly is the golden child isn't she
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 16:54:01
Quote by Raine:
OK... I heard it mentioned on Momma today that Elizabeth Hassleback was leaving the Show. Today at the dentist we actually watche dthe view, Especially when Barbara Walters gave aher a major dressing down... While looking for a youtube of it, I stumbled across this.
In 2001, she was cast in Survivor: The Australian Outback, and was originally a member of the Kucha tribe. She was the last remaining member of that tribe in the game before being voted off on Day 39 and finishing fourth overall.
yep, that was right before she married the football player. she certainly is the golden child isn't she
Comment by BobR on 10/01/2008 17:36:38
Good for you.... I guess. I don't really know what "the bears" are; I haven't been involved in Boy Scouts for 35 years. My basic memories of it go something like this:
Cub Scouts
Boy Scouts
Webelos
Explorers
I guess there are subgroups or maybe other layers, but I don't really know how that works anymore.
BobR on 10/01/2008 17:36:38
Quote by TriSec:
TriSec exits his comfort zone this week...
I'm a career Webelos Den Leader (better than 15 years experience).
But I'm running the bears this year!
I did it once, ten years ago. Didn't like it. Was all too glad to graduate back to Webelos with my boys.
But it looks like I'll be doing bears for 2 years; Javi is up next season. (He's a Wolf this year.)
Good for you.... I guess. I don't really know what "the bears" are; I haven't been involved in Boy Scouts for 35 years. My basic memories of it go something like this:
Cub Scouts
Boy Scouts
Webelos
Explorers
I guess there are subgroups or maybe other layers, but I don't really know how that works anymore.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 17:57:02
"Rather Rim Meatloaf?"
:rofl: :rofl: OMG! I don't care if it is fake or not, HILARIOUS!
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 17:57:02
Quote by livingonli:
"Rather Rim Meatloaf?"
:rofl: :rofl: OMG! I don't care if it is fake or not, HILARIOUS!
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 17:58:00
livingonli on 10/01/2008 17:58:00
Did everyone else go to lunch?
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 18:08:57
Bob, I think it is Cubs then Weblos. Which if you ask me is the most unfortunate name ever for a bunch of boys, but that is just me.
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 18:08:57
Quote by BobR:Quote by TriSec:
TriSec exits his comfort zone this week...
I'm a career Webelos Den Leader (better than 15 years experience).
But I'm running the bears this year!
I did it once, ten years ago. Didn't like it. Was all too glad to graduate back to Webelos with my boys.
But it looks like I'll be doing bears for 2 years; Javi is up next season. (He's a Wolf this year.)
Good for you.... I guess. I don't really know what "the bears" are; I haven't been involved in Boy Scouts for 35 years. My basic memories of it go something like this:
Cub Scouts
Boy Scouts
Webelos
Explorers
I guess there are subgroups or maybe other layers, but I don't really know how that works anymore.
Bob, I think it is Cubs then Weblos. Which if you ask me is the most unfortunate name ever for a bunch of boys, but that is just me.
Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2008 18:12:14
TriSec on 10/01/2008 18:12:14
Ah, Cub Scouts is segregated by age...
1st Grade - Tigers
2nd - Wolf
3rd - Bear
4th & 5th - Webelos (Actually an 18-month program, the boys graduate to the troop halfway through the year.
The regular Boy Scouts is not age-separated, it's entirely possible for an 11 year old new scout to be in a patrol led by a 17 year old Eagle candidate.
I have long been involved with the Webelos; they're the most fun group to work with (that strange netherworld between worshipful children and angst-laden teens) and because those are the transitional years, they're among the most important years of anyone's scouting tenure. (We lose most boys in two places, Webelos to Scout transiton and when they turn 16).
Anyway...
1st Grade - Tigers
2nd - Wolf
3rd - Bear
4th & 5th - Webelos (Actually an 18-month program, the boys graduate to the troop halfway through the year.
The regular Boy Scouts is not age-separated, it's entirely possible for an 11 year old new scout to be in a patrol led by a 17 year old Eagle candidate.
I have long been involved with the Webelos; they're the most fun group to work with (that strange netherworld between worshipful children and angst-laden teens) and because those are the transitional years, they're among the most important years of anyone's scouting tenure. (We lose most boys in two places, Webelos to Scout transiton and when they turn 16).
Anyway...
Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2008 18:13:19
TriSec on 10/01/2008 18:13:19
Webelos....it's not quite an acronym, but I don't know what the term is.
WE'll BE LOyal Scouts
WE'll BE LOyal Scouts
Comment by BobR on 10/01/2008 18:17:01
It could be "urban" slang:
We Be Los....
:rofl:
BobR on 10/01/2008 18:17:01
Quote by TriSec:
Webelos....it's not quite an acronym, but I don't know what the term is.
WE'll BE LOyal Scouts
It could be "urban" slang:
We Be Los....
:rofl:
Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2008 18:23:36
TriSec on 10/01/2008 18:23:36
Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2008 18:34:55
the townhouse next door was abandoned I would love to be able to by it and rent it out.
wickedpam on 10/01/2008 18:34:55
Quote by BobR:
Woman buys abandoned home on eBay for $1.75
the townhouse next door was abandoned I would love to be able to by it and rent it out.
Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2008 18:37:08
TriSec on 10/01/2008 18:37:08
Abandoned? Move in; take over!
There's a house I drive by on my way home from here...it's on a side street in a quiet neighborhood. There hasn't been a car parked in front of it for months, and the grass and bushes have taken over.
I'd sure love to find out who owns the place, but then what would I do if it was on the market?
I couldn't put my hands on a down payment to save our lives right now.
There's a house I drive by on my way home from here...it's on a side street in a quiet neighborhood. There hasn't been a car parked in front of it for months, and the grass and bushes have taken over.
I'd sure love to find out who owns the place, but then what would I do if it was on the market?
I couldn't put my hands on a down payment to save our lives right now.
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 18:50:15
livingonli on 10/01/2008 18:50:15
It looks like the only way I will get my own place is if I squatted in an empty building.
Get your minds out of the gutter.
Get your minds out of the gutter.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 19:19:40
Raine on 10/01/2008 19:19:40
I just want to get this debate over with.
I am so very sleepy... And yet, I cannot sleep. I hate that.
I am so very sleepy... And yet, I cannot sleep. I hate that.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 19:36:14
Raine on 10/01/2008 19:36:14
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 19:52:03
Planned parenthood ad about Sarah's Rape Kits.
:clap:
Raine on 10/01/2008 19:52:03
Planned parenthood ad about Sarah's Rape Kits.
:clap:
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 19:59:33
livingonli on 10/01/2008 19:59:33
Time to go head off to the salt mine.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/01/2008 20:01:09
That reminds me of a very strange evening in Boston with a friend a few years ago.. :lol:
Scoopster on 10/01/2008 20:01:09
Quote by livingonli:
It looks like the only way I will get my own place is if I squatted in an empty building.
Get your minds out of the gutter.
That reminds me of a very strange evening in Boston with a friend a few years ago.. :lol:
Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2008 20:16:00
TriSec on 10/01/2008 20:16:00
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 20:35:46
Raine on 10/01/2008 20:35:46
BEen watching the news, and it seems as tho the senators are acting cool calm and colected in putting this thing together.
I wonder if McCain has shown up yet and decide to cause chaos like he did earlier in the week. Should be interesting the next few hours.
I wonder if McCain has shown up yet and decide to cause chaos like he did earlier in the week. Should be interesting the next few hours.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 21:05:01
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 21:05:01
I have a provenance for the Heart thing. It is from a Seattle based paper called "The Stranger"
Comment by 
IzzyBitz on 10/01/2008 21:32:52
IzzyBitz on 10/01/2008 21:32:52
Comment by IzzyBitz on 10/01/2008 21:39:13
IzzyBitz on 10/01/2008 21:39:13
I have never been an astronaut, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn. --
In the early days of the space program, the astronauts were put up in Holiday Inns. They only received their regular military salary and travel expenses were deducted from their paychecks. It was the 60s man.
In the early days of the space program, the astronauts were put up in Holiday Inns. They only received their regular military salary and travel expenses were deducted from their paychecks. It was the 60s man.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 10/01/2008 21:43:58
IzzyBitz on 10/01/2008 21:43:58
A slice of cute...
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 21:52:41
Raine on 10/01/2008 21:52:41
:rofl: heya Izzy!
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 21:53:39
OMG... I want one of those for Kizzie.
Raine on 10/01/2008 21:53:39
Quote by IzzyBitz:
A slice of cute...
OMG... I want one of those for Kizzie.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 21:56:03
Raine on 10/01/2008 21:56:03
So I should tell you that Barack Obama gave a speach on the senate floor this evening.
When asked for more time, he was told 'Take all the time you want'
In the mean time, I have seen John McCain NO where in the senate chamber. No place.
When asked for more time, he was told 'Take all the time you want'
In the mean time, I have seen John McCain NO where in the senate chamber. No place.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 21:57:23
Sorry 'bout that.
Raine on 10/01/2008 21:57:23
Quote by IzzyBitz:Quote by Raine:
Really, Click. Craigslist is a joy.
Another job down the tubes. No anal...
:P
Sorry 'bout that.
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 22:00:54
Like why should that be different than any other time these last 6 months when he hasn't shown up for the Senate.
livingonli on 10/01/2008 22:00:54
Quote by Raine:
So I should tell you that Barack Obama gave a speach on the senate floor this evening.
When asked for more time, he was told 'Take all the time you want'
In the mean time, I have seen John McCain NO where in the senate chamber. No place.
Like why should that be different than any other time these last 6 months when he hasn't shown up for the Senate.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 10/01/2008 22:05:13
I don't think the kitty will be too thrilled!
IzzyBitz on 10/01/2008 22:05:13
Quote by Raine:Quote by IzzyBitz:
A slice of cute...
OMG... I want one of those for Kizzie.
I don't think the kitty will be too thrilled!
Comment by IzzyBitz on 10/01/2008 22:07:19
I guess he has suspended himself from his senate duties.
IzzyBitz on 10/01/2008 22:07:19
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:
So I should tell you that Barack Obama gave a speach on the senate floor this evening.
When asked for more time, he was told 'Take all the time you want'
In the mean time, I have seen John McCain NO where in the senate chamber. No place.
Like why should that be different than any other time these last 6 months when he hasn't shown up for the Senate.
I guess he has suspended himself from his senate duties.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 22:10:32
Mos def not. Although we have ahd a loverly kitten coming sround as of late, Camille has taken to lying down in the sun with her. She also sneaks inside the apartment. I call her Toots. IF camille will have her, we will too, and that means getting her fixed. She looks a little like a cross between camille and Mondo's Rio.
It's up to her. She wants a home she has it.
But yeah, camille is finally cool with Kizzy. And that, is a good thing. Have I told you all that Kizzy now does the beagle howl when we get ready to take her for a walk? it is the best sound in the world.
Raine on 10/01/2008 22:10:32
Quote by IzzyBitz:Quote by Raine:Quote by IzzyBitz:
A slice of cute...
OMG... I want one of those for Kizzie.
I don't think the kitty will be too thrilled!
It's up to her. She wants a home she has it.
But yeah, camille is finally cool with Kizzy. And that, is a good thing. Have I told you all that Kizzy now does the beagle howl when we get ready to take her for a walk? it is the best sound in the world.
Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2008 22:11:48
It's hard work.
livingonli on 10/01/2008 22:11:48
Quote by IzzyBitz:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:
So I should tell you that Barack Obama gave a speach on the senate floor this evening.
When asked for more time, he was told 'Take all the time you want'
In the mean time, I have seen John McCain NO where in the senate chamber. No place.
Like why should that be different than any other time these last 6 months when he hasn't shown up for the Senate.
I guess he has suspended himself from his senate duties.
It's hard work.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 22:12:49
Izzy. you are right! John McCain suspended hissanatorial senatorial duties!
Raine on 10/01/2008 22:12:49
Izzy. you are right! John McCain suspended his
Comment by IzzyBitz on 10/01/2008 22:15:49
IzzyBitz on 10/01/2008 22:15:49
A Hallmark moment - A New Kitty for Kizzie. Most of our kitties were castaways and they were the best. 
Comment by IzzyBitz on 10/01/2008 22:29:35
I am out of gas concerning McCain/Palin, Obama and the flaven. I would mention Biden, but he seems to have disappeared since convention.
I just want it to be November 5 already. The political stations on my radio and TV machines are collecting moss.
IzzyBitz on 10/01/2008 22:29:35
Quote by Raine:
Izzy. you are right! John McCain suspended hissanatorialsenatorial duties!
I am out of gas concerning McCain/Palin, Obama and the flaven. I would mention Biden, but he seems to have disappeared since convention.
I just want it to be November 5 already. The political stations on my radio and TV machines are collecting moss.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 22:30:33
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 22:30:33
The new kitty's got a name now? Cool. How you doin' there Wobbles? Still feeling like weeble?
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 22:30:48
Raine on 10/01/2008 22:30:48
Holy crap! ® Shelby just brought tup the *Savings and Loans* scandal as a reason to be very wary of the *bailout*
:thud:
:thud:
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 22:35:08
I am. I just wanna go to sleep. But I can't.
IT will be an early night for Raine tonite.
Raine on 10/01/2008 22:35:08
Quote by Mondobubba:
The new kitty's got a name now? Cool. How you doin' there Wobbles? Still feeling like weeble?
I am. I just wanna go to sleep. But I can't.
IT will be an early night for Raine tonite.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 22:37:53
Like I said, it is up to her. Don't know where she came from. she has no collar, and she is still looking kitten like.
She is a sweety tho.
Raine on 10/01/2008 22:37:53
Quote by IzzyBitz:
A Hallmark moment - A New Kitty for Kizzie. Most of our kitties were castaways and they were the best.
She is a sweety tho.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 22:41:36
I know.
Biden has been banished from teh MSM it seems. HE has been out htere everyday tho.
I liked what CNN said tonite, tho. (even tho they didn't like saying it) It went something like this: This is not a national campaign, this is a state by state campaign.'
Joe is out there, we just do not get to see him.
Raine on 10/01/2008 22:41:36
Quote by IzzyBitz:Quote by Raine:
Izzy. you are right! John McCain suspended hissanatorialsenatorial duties!
I am out of gas concerning McCain/Palin, Obama and the flaven. I would mention Biden, but he seems to have disappeared since convention.
I just want it to be November 5 already. The political stations on my radio and TV machines are collecting moss.
Biden has been banished from teh MSM it seems. HE has been out htere everyday tho.
I liked what CNN said tonite, tho. (even tho they didn't like saying it) It went something like this: This is not a national campaign, this is a state by state campaign.'
Joe is out there, we just do not get to see him.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 22:42:21
Raine on 10/01/2008 22:42:21
Sarah Palin interview coming up on CBS...
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 22:43:41
Raine on 10/01/2008 22:43:41
Ahhh.. speaking of Joe Biden... this is awesome. He is talking to Katie.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 22:46:00
Raine on 10/01/2008 22:46:00
AND.... there it is... she can't name ONE single supreme court issue she disagrees with.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 22:47:08
Raine on 10/01/2008 22:47:08
Church and state question to Sarah... OMG... I can't even transcribe what she is saying. I will get the youtube when I can. 
Comment by m-hadley on 10/01/2008 22:48:10
m-hadley on 10/01/2008 22:48:10
Heya 4Fers,
I am home today watching the "C-SPAN2" and I just heard the first sane statement about this "admittedly-flawed bill" made by Senator Bernie Sanders - if you'd like to read his proposed amendment (a succinct three pages) I have a link over at my blog. Feel free to check it out.
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
I am home today watching the "C-SPAN2" and I just heard the first sane statement about this "admittedly-flawed bill" made by Senator Bernie Sanders - if you'd like to read his proposed amendment (a succinct three pages) I have a link over at my blog. Feel free to check it out.
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 22:56:58
I totally dig that! I slept for about three hours from 10-1 I am still tired as all get out. I will be trying to get to bed early too.
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 22:56:58
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
The new kitty's got a name now? Cool. How you doin' there Wobbles? Still feeling like weeble?
I am. I just wanna go to sleep. But I can't.
IT will be an early night for Raine tonite.
I totally dig that! I slept for about three hours from 10-1 I am still tired as all get out. I will be trying to get to bed early too.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 23:04:04
Raine on 10/01/2008 23:04:04
F*CK YEAH! B-Box just called out the people behind the Savings and Loan Scandal, The dergulation bill (not passed) in 1995, AND she mentioned Phill Gramm and the Enron Loophole!
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 10/01/2008 23:05:33
Will in Chicago on 10/01/2008 23:05:33
Hi, everyone! Busy day.
Raine, I remembered your Oma during prayers at Rosh Hashanah. Any good news?
Raine, I remembered your Oma during prayers at Rosh Hashanah. Any good news?
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 23:06:52
Raine on 10/01/2008 23:06:52
HI faye!! I am watching the spansquared, (cSpan2)
Barbara Boxer just kicked ass, as did John Kerry.
I am thinking that this bill is much improved over the house bill.
Barbara Boxer just kicked ass, as did John Kerry.
I am thinking that this bill is much improved over the house bill.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 23:13:13
Oh, Will. yes. :hug:
For a while there yesterday we were really worried.
I didn't tell many people, but they had found a mass in her lung, Cancer was a concern. late last night we found out that it was more fluid, and not cancer. They are going to keep treating her with this medication I think it is called lasik. (MNRN could correct me, I am sure! )
She has a leaky valve in her lung, but if the medication keeps on working she should be with us for a while longer. They are not going to do anything with her heart, she is 89., and heart surgery is out of the question.
Thanks for your prayers. Oma is getting out of the Hospital tomorrow.
Once again, thank you so much.
Raine on 10/01/2008 23:13:13
Quote by Will in Phoenix:
Hi, everyone! Busy day.
Raine, I remembered your Oma during prayers at Rosh Hashanah. Any good news?
For a while there yesterday we were really worried.
I didn't tell many people, but they had found a mass in her lung, Cancer was a concern. late last night we found out that it was more fluid, and not cancer. They are going to keep treating her with this medication I think it is called lasik. (MNRN could correct me, I am sure! )
She has a leaky valve in her lung, but if the medication keeps on working she should be with us for a while longer. They are not going to do anything with her heart, she is 89., and heart surgery is out of the question.
Thanks for your prayers. Oma is getting out of the Hospital tomorrow.
Once again, thank you so much.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 23:21:57
I was gonna ask about Oma. Sounds like she is sorta, kinda out of the woods. Excellent! Yeah that is called Lasik. Mondo knows all about it. They also give it to dogs, I have friends who's aging chihuahua, Sabre has congestive heart failure. I haven't talked to them in a while I don't know if Sabre is still with us or not.
Mondobubba on 10/01/2008 23:21:57
Quote by Raine:Oh, Will. yes. :hug:Quote by Will in Phoenix:
Hi, everyone! Busy day.
Raine, I remembered your Oma during prayers at Rosh Hashanah. Any good news?
For a while there yesterday we were really worried.
I didn't tell many people, but they had found a mass in her lung, Cancer was a concern. late last night we found out that it was more fluid, and not cancer. They are going to keep treating her with this medication I think it is called lasik. (MNRN could correct me, I am sure! )
She has a leaky valve in her lung, but if the medication keeps on working she should be with us for a while longer. They are not going to do anything with her heart, she is 89., and heart surgery is out of the question.
Thanks for your prayers. Oma is getting out of the Hospital tomorrow.
Once again, thank you so much.
I was gonna ask about Oma. Sounds like she is sorta, kinda out of the woods. Excellent! Yeah that is called Lasik. Mondo knows all about it. They also give it to dogs, I have friends who's aging chihuahua, Sabre has congestive heart failure. I haven't talked to them in a while I don't know if Sabre is still with us or not.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 23:27:58
Raine on 10/01/2008 23:27:58
:)
Good. I got the medication name right!
Just got off the phone with Oma, and she sounds really good.
Good. I got the medication name right!
Just got off the phone with Oma, and she sounds really good.
Comment by Raine on 10/01/2008 23:35:09
Raine on 10/01/2008 23:35:09
I know that oma is not out of the woods altogether, but I know that she is on a good maintenance program. Bottom line, she will be with us for a while longer. she has these amazing moments of clarity when I talk to her. I say certain things, and I say you might not get it... and she says to me "Leipshen" I know.
She told me tonite that she can't wait to meet bob again. I love that lady. She is awesome.
She told me tonite that she can't wait to meet bob again. I love that lady. She is awesome.
Comment by livingonli on 10/02/2008 00:20:53
OH! MY! GOD! She is realy extra crispy bucket of crazy.
livingonli on 10/02/2008 00:20:53
Quote by Mondobubba:
Sarah Palin, poet. :puke:
OH! MY! GOD!
She is realy extra crispy bucket of crazy.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/02/2008 00:33:49
Mondobubba on 10/02/2008 00:33:49
Nice rant Keith. :clap:
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/02/2008 00:36:02
You hadn't noticed, Liv? Dumb as a bag of hair and crazy too boot.
Mondobubba on 10/02/2008 00:36:02
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Mondobubba:
Sarah Palin, poet. :puke:
OH! MY! GOD!
You hadn't noticed, Liv? Dumb as a bag of hair and crazy too boot.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/02/2008 00:38:51
Mondobubba on 10/02/2008 00:38:51
Richard Dryfus is playing Dick Cheney in "W!" The brilliant Rob Corrdy will be playing Ari Fliesher.
Comment by TriSec on 10/02/2008 00:53:15
TriSec on 10/02/2008 00:53:15
: drags self to blog :
Looking like a down night...add TriSec to the list.
The first of many diseases has reared it's head in the TriSec household. Mrs. TriSec has it full-bore, and your loyal TriSec has a touch of the scratchy throat and sinus flaven.
I'm having some medicinal fermented grape juice, and will see how far into Mythbusters I get.
<--- Mrs. TriSec coughing up spleen
<-- TriSec sitting up all night in bed.
Looking like a down night...add TriSec to the list.
The first of many diseases has reared it's head in the TriSec household. Mrs. TriSec has it full-bore, and your loyal TriSec has a touch of the scratchy throat and sinus flaven.
I'm having some medicinal fermented grape juice, and will see how far into Mythbusters I get.
<--- Mrs. TriSec coughing up spleen <-- TriSec sitting up all night in bed.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/02/2008 00:57:37
Mythbusters is not on at Nine, again! The eight o'clock one is a repeat. James Bond.
Tri tell the Missus that coughing up the spleen is contra-indicated.
Mondobubba on 10/02/2008 00:57:37
Quote by TriSec:
: drags self to blog :
Looking like a down night...add TriSec to the list.
The first of many diseases has reared it's head in the TriSec household. Mrs. TriSec has it full-bore, and your loyal TriSec has a touch of the scratchy throat and sinus flaven.
I'm having some medicinal fermented grape juice, and will see how far into Mythbusters I get.
Mythbusters is not on at Nine, again! The eight o'clock one is a repeat. James Bond.
Tri tell the Missus that coughing up the spleen is contra-indicated.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/02/2008 00:59:18
Mondobubba on 10/02/2008 00:59:18
Keith is doing a montage o' stupid from the governor of Alaska. She is as dumb as...
wait for it...
waaaaaaaaait....
TOE JAM!
She is as dumb as...wait for it...
waaaaaaaaait....
TOE JAM!
Comment by 
MMB on 10/02/2008 01:06:35
MMB on 10/02/2008 01:06:35
Raine my mom had a leaking Aoritic valve and she was on Lasix and still is 2 years later she had her valve replaced but still has to take the Lasix. I'll say a prayer for your loved one.
Comment by TriSec on 10/02/2008 01:23:04
TriSec on 10/02/2008 01:23:04
Watching Rachel, but not feeling very smart tonight.
Comment by Raine on 10/02/2008 01:26:24
Raine on 10/02/2008 01:26:24
Raine has been writing a letter for most of the night...
And a special to you know who.... ;)
Not to say that I don't everyone, but sometimes, special
*sigh*
Oma is coming home tommorrow.
She sounds great tonite.
And a special
to you know who.... ;)Not to say that I don't
everyone, but sometimes, special *sigh*
Oma is coming home tommorrow.
She sounds great tonite.
Comment by livingonli on 10/02/2008 01:31:26
livingonli on 10/02/2008 01:31:26
Just hang in there, Oma.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/02/2008 01:43:49
Mondobubba on 10/02/2008 01:43:49
Mitch McConnell has no upper lip and very smooth forehead. Creepy. And he doesn't blink. Super creepy.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/02/2008 01:47:58
Good on ya Oma. I didn't know was 89! She is 5 years older than my dad.
Mondobubba on 10/02/2008 01:47:58
Quote by Raine:
Raine has been writing a letter for most of the night...
And a special
Not to say that I don't
*sigh*
Oma is coming home tommorrow.
She sounds great tonite.
Good on ya Oma. I didn't know was 89!
She is 5 years older than my dad.
Comment by Raine on 10/02/2008 02:10:38
Raine on 10/02/2008 02:10:38
OK, as I am drifting off to sleeply land... McCain NEVER showed up on the senate floor?
Serously. People. HE voted for the bill, and he NEVER gave on damn word on the floor???
Tool.
Serously. People. HE voted for the bill, and he NEVER gave on damn word on the floor???
Tool.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/02/2008 02:24:19
Raine, I wish you have more time with Oma. Remember, love is perhaps the best part of our humanity so cherish the days. Hang in there.
Will in Chicago on 10/02/2008 02:24:19
Quote by Raine:Oh, Will. yes. :hug:Quote by Will in Phoenix:
Hi, everyone! Busy day.
Raine, I remembered your Oma during prayers at Rosh Hashanah. Any good news?
For a while there yesterday we were really worried.
I didn't tell many people, but they had found a mass in her lung, Cancer was a concern. late last night we found out that it was more fluid, and not cancer. They are going to keep treating her with this medication I think it is called lasik. (MNRN could correct me, I am sure! )
She has a leaky valve in her lung, but if the medication keeps on working she should be with us for a while longer. They are not going to do anything with her heart, she is 89., and heart surgery is out of the question.
Thanks for your prayers. Oma is getting out of the Hospital tomorrow.
Once again, thank you so much.
Raine, I wish you have more time with Oma. Remember, love is perhaps the best part of our humanity so cherish the days. Hang in there.