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Holding Pattern
Author: Raine
Date: 11/24/2008 13:31:54
While we are all waiting for that day in January, it is sometimes easy to forget that we still have a president *ush. While some are practically pleading for him to do nothing until January, I find myself in the peculiar position of thinking that this is not really a good idea, especially when you take a look at who is actually running things right now.
Hey wait a minute... who IS in charge right now? CitiBank is in major rescue talks with the White House, and yet, yesterday spokeperson, Dana Perino said they were not aware of any talks. She said this aboard Air Force One, while traveling with the current pResident. Interesting considering some papers are reporting this plan has already been approved. Here is just a taste of it: The Financial Times is calling this a 'Bad Bank' Plan
Please Note the mention of the bank UBS. UBS was also a client of famous lobbyist... Phil Gramm-- I digress. I am left here seriously wondering who the hell is in charge and what the hell is going on. *ush was off at the Apac Summit in Peru, touting how wonderful his economic plan when the crap is coming down heavy and hard back here at home. Right now all I am asking for is until January, that he be actively engaged and accountable for what he and his Neo-conservative ideologues have wrought on our nation. Is that too much to ask? I think it is, considering some people don't seem to realize that *ush has all but checked out of the White House. This weekend Joe Lieberman espoused some of his magical knowledge and intellect. How can they work together when the current HEAD of the administration has no idea what is going on right in front of his eyes? HE shows no interest on working on anything at all.
I should not be shocked. George W. Bush has NEVER taken a position without totally destroying any of the successes it may have had in the past or the future. What makes me so angry is that THIS time, THIS time it is a COUNTRY. Not an oil company, not a baseball team... it the United States of America, and he has totally checked out.
It's going to be a long winter spent in a holding pattern until competent people take over to try to land this chaotic flight of fancy the *ush administration and the Neo-cons have taken us on. I don't envy them. The task is huge.
At least know they will have to go the distance, instead of skipping out totally right before the end of it all. That called maturity and responsibility... Maybe in the end, it was a good thing *ush went awol instead of becoming a pilot, huh?
:peace: and
Raine
Hey wait a minute... who IS in charge right now? CitiBank is in major rescue talks with the White House, and yet, yesterday spokeperson, Dana Perino said they were not aware of any talks. She said this aboard Air Force One, while traveling with the current pResident. Interesting considering some papers are reporting this plan has already been approved. Here is just a taste of it:
Under the agreement, Citigroup and regulators will back up to $306 billion of largely residential and commercial real estate loans and certain other assets, which will remain on the bank's balance sheet. Citigroup will shoulder losses on the first $29 billion of that portfolio.
Any remaining losses will be split between Citigroup and the government, with the bank absorbing 10 percent and the government absorbing 90 percent. The Treasury Department will use its bailout fund to assume up to $5 billion of losses. If necessary, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. will bear the next $10 billion of losses. Beyond that, the Federal Reserve will guarantee any additional losses.
In exchange, Citigroup will issue $7 billion of preferred stock to government regulators. In addition, the government is buying $20 billion of preferred stock in Citigroup. The preferred shares will pay an 8 percent dividend and will slightly erode the value of shares held by investors.
The “good bank-bad bank” structure being discussed by Citi and US regulators resembles the October plan under which UBS said it would shift up to $60bn of illiquid securities to a fund owned by the Swiss National Bank, said a major Citigroup shareholder who was briefed on the plan by someone with direct knowledge of it.
However, significant obstacles remain before the plan to revive Citi can be put into effect, people familiar with the matter said. “How do they justify doing it with Citi and not for the others?” asks one. “If they guarantee everything only at Citi, they would be putting Citi’s competitors at a huge competitive disadvantage.”
Another potential stumbling block could be the resources of the government’s Troubled Asset Relief Program (Tarp). Helping Citi would substantially reduce the money available to help other banks.
Offering no hint of remorse for the lack of regulation of Wall Street and the US sub-prime mortgage market that was a root cause of the worldwide turmoil, he said: "It is also essential that governments resist the temptation to overcorrect by imposing regulations that would stifle innovation and strangle growth.
"One of the enduring lessons of the Great Depression is that global protectionism is a path to global economic ruin." [...]
"Expanding trade and investment has been one of the highest priorities of my administration," he said. "When I took office, America had free trade agreements in force with only three nations. Today, we have agreements in force with 14."
But some members of Congress said Sunday that even that might not be soon enough — Senator Joseph Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, said that President George W. Bush and Obama should work together now to put a stimulus package in place by early next year. Otherwise, he said, the Obama approach would probably take until the second quarter of next year, "and that's too long."
I should not be shocked. George W. Bush has NEVER taken a position without totally destroying any of the successes it may have had in the past or the future. What makes me so angry is that THIS time, THIS time it is a COUNTRY. Not an oil company, not a baseball team... it the United States of America, and he has totally checked out.
It's going to be a long winter spent in a holding pattern until competent people take over to try to land this chaotic flight of fancy the *ush administration and the Neo-cons have taken us on. I don't envy them. The task is huge.
At least know they will have to go the distance, instead of skipping out totally right before the end of it all. That called maturity and responsibility... Maybe in the end, it was a good thing *ush went awol instead of becoming a pilot, huh?
:peace: and
Raine
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Comment by 
BobR on 11/24/2008 13:44:33
BobR on 11/24/2008 13:44:33
Morning folks... :coffee:
Comment by BobR on 11/24/2008 13:46:05
BobR on 11/24/2008 13:46:05
In an interesting bit of serendipity, Faye posted about Bush's 11th-hour environmental changes, and what may be done to counteract them...
Comment by 
TriSec on 11/24/2008 13:53:10
TriSec on 11/24/2008 13:53:10
Morning, folks!
Ow!
TriSec slashed his own face. (shaving accident, and a gusher at that.)
:kickcan:
Ow!
TriSec slashed his own face. (shaving accident, and a gusher at that.)
:kickcan:
Comment by 
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 13:56:30
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 13:56:30
:coffee: Ahh sweet nectar of life, wash away my weekend migraine!
Morning Raine!
So this Facecrack thing is starting to get to me.. I got an email out of the blue from this girl that lived across the street from me growin' up that I had a bit of a grade school crush on.. she moved away just about the time we started high school and haven't heard anything from 'em since. Crazy!!
And her first question after I contact her is "How's your brother." :rolleyes:
Morning Raine!
So this Facecrack thing is starting to get to me.. I got an email out of the blue from this girl that lived across the street from me growin' up that I had a bit of a grade school crush on.. she moved away just about the time we started high school and haven't heard anything from 'em since. Crazy!!And her first question after I contact her is "How's your brother." :rolleyes:
Comment by 
Raine on 11/24/2008 13:59:06
Raine on 11/24/2008 13:59:06
Health Insurance Providers say they will cover everyone...
It's seems a LOT vague on details, and I don't really trust this --- Are they trying to circumvent and Obama Health care proposal?
It seems that way.
It's seems a LOT vague on details, and I don't really trust this --- Are they trying to circumvent and Obama Health care proposal?
It seems that way.
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 14:00:23
Oh dear!
Yeah. the FC is quite addicting.
Raine on 11/24/2008 14:00:23
Quote by Scoopster:
:coffee: Ahh sweet nectar of life, wash away my weekend migraine!
Morning Raine!
And her first question after I contact her is "How's your brother." :rolleyes:
Oh dear!
Yeah. the FC is quite addicting.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 14:03:59
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 14:03:59
..how's your brother..
This is what happens since I get the brains and he got the looks.
This is what happens since I get the brains and he got the looks.
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 14:07:32
TriSec on 11/24/2008 14:07:32
*snort*
Facecrack....I have connected with several scattered cousins around the US..got my info entered on a family tree that someone is working on, and discovered that I have a relative buried in Arlington. (and will try to visit when we head down in January).
Go figure.
Facecrack....I have connected with several scattered cousins around the US..got my info entered on a family tree that someone is working on, and discovered that I have a relative buried in Arlington. (and will try to visit when we head down in January).
Go figure.
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 14:11:01
Seems iffy. Health Plans control who they cover through the notorious "pre-existing condition" loophole. It does have a byline of Boston, where everyone is forced to be covered through expensive, high-deductible, high-copay plans or they get a tax penalty. The plans might not lose money, but hospitals and other health-care providers are, primarily because the legislation did away with the free-care pool. In this state, you can't be turned away from an ER if you don't have insurance, but now instead of the state giving back Medicaid rates, the hospitals get nothing.
TriSec on 11/24/2008 14:11:01
Quote by Raine:
Health Insurance Providers say they will cover everyone...
It's seems a LOT vague on details, and I don't really trust this --- Are they trying to circumvent and Obama Health care proposal?
It seems that way.
Seems iffy. Health Plans control who they cover through the notorious "pre-existing condition" loophole. It does have a byline of Boston, where everyone is forced to be covered through expensive, high-deductible, high-copay plans or they get a tax penalty. The plans might not lose money, but hospitals and other health-care providers are, primarily because the legislation did away with the free-care pool. In this state, you can't be turned away from an ER if you don't have insurance, but now instead of the state giving back Medicaid rates, the hospitals get nothing.
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 14:17:19
I like brains...
(that didn't sound as good written as it did in my head.)
Raine on 11/24/2008 14:17:19
Quote by Scoopster:
..how's your brother..
This is what happens since I get the brains and he got the looks.
I like brains...
(that didn't sound as good written as it did in my head.)
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 14:21:30
Hope this embeds right.. Apparently Norm Coleman's contesting ANY AND EVERY ballot that has votes clearly marked McCain for president but Franken for senate.
What a bunch of scumbags.
Edit: guess it didn't work.. here's the link
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 14:21:30
Get the Flash Player to see this player.
Hope this embeds right.. Apparently Norm Coleman's contesting ANY AND EVERY ballot that has votes clearly marked McCain for president but Franken for senate.
What a bunch of scumbags.
Edit: guess it didn't work.. here's the link
Comment by 
m-hadley on 11/24/2008 14:23:25
Thanks for noticing my most recent post, BobR :D
Great minds and all that.... Love to you, Raine, Kizzie, and the kitties :hug:
Cheers,
mfaye
m-hadley on 11/24/2008 14:23:25
Quote by BobR:
In an interesting bit of serendipity, Faye posted about Bush's 11th-hour environmental changes, and what may be done to counteract them...
Thanks for noticing my most recent post, BobR :D
Great minds and all that.... Love to you, Raine, Kizzie, and the kitties :hug:
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 14:30:13
It was great, btw... Glad to read that at least congress is ready to TRY to do something about it.
Raine on 11/24/2008 14:30:13
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by BobR:
In an interesting bit of serendipity, Faye posted about Bush's 11th-hour environmental changes, and what may be done to counteract them...
Thanks for noticing my most recent post, BobR :D
Great minds and all that.... Love to you, Raine, Kizzie, and the kitties :hug:
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 14:51:21
TriSec on 11/24/2008 14:51:21
Ah yes, pie.
I'm going to buy some fixins tonight....gonna make a real Alabama spice pie and probably a custard this year. (Neither of which Javi will eat...maybe I'll make the French chocolate silk pie instead...)
My mother, bless her heart, is making sweet potato pie. Apparently we're expecting PE Obama to drop in...
I'm going to buy some fixins tonight....gonna make a real Alabama spice pie and probably a custard this year. (Neither of which Javi will eat...maybe I'll make the French chocolate silk pie instead...)
My mother, bless her heart, is making sweet potato pie. Apparently we're expecting PE Obama to drop in...
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 14:55:14
Raine on 11/24/2008 14:55:14
I like Pie.
Comment by BobR on 11/24/2008 15:09:52
*checks road atlas*
yup - we can be there by Thursday!
BobR on 11/24/2008 15:09:52
Quote by TriSec:
Ah yes, pie.
I'm going to buy some fixins tonight....gonna make a real Alabama spice pie and probably a custard this year. (Neither of which Javi will eat...maybe I'll make the French chocolate silk pie instead...)
My mother, bless her heart, is making sweet potato pie. Apparently we're expecting PE Obama to drop in...
*checks road atlas*
yup - we can be there by Thursday!
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 11/24/2008 15:10:15
Will in Chicago on 11/24/2008 15:10:15
Good morning, bloggers!! Excellent post, Raine!! I hope that everyone is doing well.
No subbing today, but I do have my third interview for a teaching job tomorrow (different schools.).
Paul Krugman linked to a good compilation of views on the Citigroup Bailout. By the way Boehner, the leaky Congressman, wants the elimination of the capital gains tax. I will give the Leaky One credit for being consistent. It may be his sole virtue.
Here are the UNN Daily Headlines.
No subbing today, but I do have my third interview for a teaching job tomorrow (different schools.).
Paul Krugman linked to a good compilation of views on the Citigroup Bailout. By the way Boehner, the leaky Congressman, wants the elimination of the capital gains tax. I will give the Leaky One credit for being consistent. It may be his sole virtue.
Here are the UNN Daily Headlines.
Comment by 
Random on 11/24/2008 15:10:40
Random on 11/24/2008 15:10:40
Has anyone visited Jim Ward's site?
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 15:10:52
Raine on 11/24/2008 15:10:52
I have been thinking about this brehaha over the possible picks by Obama regarding the economy.
There are many things to be stated about this, but it keeps coming back to me that especially in the beginning of his administration, would PE Obama want to put people in who understand the reasons why we got here? In other words, that would mean people who have SEEN it happen. That does not mean they are going to continue those policies, I think it means they have the knowhow how to slowly change the policies back to things with more regulation and oversite. I don't think you can just walk in and turn around 180 degrees economically in a crisis as huge as this. if we thought the markets were chaotic now, imagine stopping EVERYTHING and turning it in the other direction.
Many of these people were in the clinton administration, I understand, but who else is left? All the people from Raygun and Bushies... Those that were in the Carter admin are probably too old at this point.
The point is, Barack wants to change the economic direction of this country, and with the mess that we have know, it seems as tho you want people who understand it right now. I don't think for one minute these people are going to stay the course, and I also believe these people have had enough distance to see what was good and what could have been better from the Clinton administration. The Clinton Doctrine is NOT the Obama doctrine.
Just a thought.
There are many things to be stated about this, but it keeps coming back to me that especially in the beginning of his administration, would PE Obama want to put people in who understand the reasons why we got here? In other words, that would mean people who have SEEN it happen. That does not mean they are going to continue those policies, I think it means they have the knowhow how to slowly change the policies back to things with more regulation and oversite. I don't think you can just walk in and turn around 180 degrees economically in a crisis as huge as this. if we thought the markets were chaotic now, imagine stopping EVERYTHING and turning it in the other direction.
Many of these people were in the clinton administration, I understand, but who else is left? All the people from Raygun and Bushies... Those that were in the Carter admin are probably too old at this point.
The point is, Barack wants to change the economic direction of this country, and with the mess that we have know, it seems as tho you want people who understand it right now. I don't think for one minute these people are going to stay the course, and I also believe these people have had enough distance to see what was good and what could have been better from the Clinton administration. The Clinton Doctrine is NOT the Obama doctrine.
Just a thought.
Comment by BobR on 11/24/2008 15:12:26
BobR on 11/24/2008 15:12:26
oh fer shitssake...
not the retarded barkpark-sheboygen-guyLeFleur drop....
:rolleyes2:
not the retarded barkpark-sheboygen-guyLeFleur drop....
:rolleyes2:
Comment by BobR on 11/24/2008 15:13:27
no.
BobR on 11/24/2008 15:13:27
Quote by Random:
Has anyone visited Jim Ward's site?
no.
Comment by BobR on 11/24/2008 15:14:27
btw - what is Alabama spice pie? I did a search for that one, and came up empty...
BobR on 11/24/2008 15:14:27
Quote by TriSec:
Ah yes, pie.
I'm going to buy some fixins tonight....gonna make a real Alabama spice pie and probably a custard this year. (Neither of which Javi will eat...maybe I'll make the French chocolate silk pie instead...)
My mother, bless her heart, is making sweet potato pie. Apparently we're expecting PE Obama to drop in...
btw - what is Alabama spice pie? I did a search for that one, and came up empty...
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 15:16:22
...You should. the intro is funny.
Brokaw...choking on his tongue.
Random on 11/24/2008 15:16:22
Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
Has anyone visited Jim Ward's site?
no.
...You should. the intro is funny.
Brokaw...choking on his tongue.
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 15:16:43
TriSec on 11/24/2008 15:16:43
: lifts steaming mug of Lady Grey, nods southwesterly :
Top o' the mornin' to ye, Ms. Raine!
:bow:
Top o' the mornin' to ye, Ms. Raine!
:bow:
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 15:22:05
heehee. Good, you'll have something in common with my lovely bride...
Javi, OTOH, can't get enough of it! (He's now 7, entering Momma's target age.)
TriSec on 11/24/2008 15:22:05
Quote by BobR:
oh fer shitssake...
not the retarded barkpark-sheboygen-guyLeFleur drop....
:rolleyes2:
heehee. Good, you'll have something in common with my lovely bride...
Javi, OTOH, can't get enough of it! (He's now 7, entering Momma's target age.)
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 11/24/2008 15:23:41
velveeta jones on 11/24/2008 15:23:41
Good post Raine, and good morning everyone!
Regarding Citicorp.... one of the things the "news" is saying is that this bailout is needed because the banking industry is so big. Well, they got so fucking big from all this deregulation. And frankly, do we really need a handful of big banks instead of lots of smaller ones? Seems like we did fine with the many small ones..... just sayin'
Regarding Citicorp.... one of the things the "news" is saying is that this bailout is needed because the banking industry is so big. Well, they got so fucking big from all this deregulation. And frankly, do we really need a handful of big banks instead of lots of smaller ones? Seems like we did fine with the many small ones..... just sayin'
Comment by 
livingonli on 11/24/2008 15:24:26
livingonli on 11/24/2008 15:24:26
Bon Matin mes amis.
I have to get my landlady to kick up some heat. It's in the mid-40's right now but my bedroom is still nippy. I don't like having to wear gloves while I sleep.
I have to get my landlady to kick up some heat. It's in the mid-40's right now but my bedroom is still nippy. I don't like having to wear gloves while I sleep.
Comment by BobR on 11/24/2008 15:29:58
while that may be true, it's not so easy putting the toothpaste back in the tube...
BobR on 11/24/2008 15:29:58
Quote by velveeta jones:
Good post Raine, and good morning everyone!
Regarding Citicorp.... one of the things the "news" is saying is that this bailout is needed because the banking industry is so big. Well, they got so fucking big from all this deregulation. And frankly, do we really need a handful of big banks instead of lots of smaller ones? Seems like we did fine with the many small ones..... just sayin'
while that may be true, it's not so easy putting the toothpaste back in the tube...
Comment by 
wickedpam on 11/24/2008 15:30:39
wickedpam on 11/24/2008 15:30:39
Morning!
Sorry for the late arrival - had a dentist appointment to take care of first then on to the fun :D
Sorry for the late arrival - had a dentist appointment to take care of first then on to the fun :D
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 15:31:31
Raine on 11/24/2008 15:31:31
IT seemed to me that when we had smaller, community based banks, people were actually better off.
I mean seriously, I can actually remember the days when it was a good thing to know your neighbors... it could help if you needed a loan for say a car or things like that.
I mean seriously, I can actually remember the days when it was a good thing to know your neighbors... it could help if you needed a loan for say a car or things like that.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/24/2008 15:36:53
wickedpam on 11/24/2008 15:36:53
Al sounds all giggly :p
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 15:37:35
TriSec on 11/24/2008 15:37:35
TriSec still uses a local bank...
And go figure, the manager of my local branch had a son in the Pack a few seasons ago...
And go figure, the manager of my local branch had a son in the Pack a few seasons ago...
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 15:38:38
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 15:38:38
Comment by livingonli on 11/24/2008 15:42:25
livingonli on 11/24/2008 15:42:25
Good morning Mala. How was your weekend?
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 15:42:38
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 15:42:38
Morning all.
Scoop! Trueblood! Finale! Discuss!
Scoop! Trueblood! Finale! Discuss!
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 15:46:08
Like S&Ls? :whistful: I remember when there were nothing but local banks because interstate banking was a thing of the past done in by the Great Depression.
Credit Unions, people credit unions. Non-profit, local.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 15:46:08
Quote by Raine:
IT seemed to me that when we had smaller, community based banks, people were actually better off.
I mean seriously, I can actually remember the days when it was a good thing to know your neighbors... it could help if you needed a loan for say a car or things like that.
Like S&Ls? :whistful: I remember when there were nothing but local banks because interstate banking was a thing of the past done in by the Great Depression.
Credit Unions, people credit unions. Non-profit, local.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/24/2008 15:47:36
Not too bad - got the outside of the house decorated and gonna work on the inside this week. Want it all decorated by the end of this coming weekend. Other then that it was fine
wickedpam on 11/24/2008 15:47:36
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning Mala. How was your weekend?
Not too bad - got the outside of the house decorated and gonna work on the inside this week. Want it all decorated by the end of this coming weekend. Other then that it was fine
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 15:53:55
The story from the Sydney Herald is rather enlightening....
Penis Sauce (no photo, story is work safe!
)
TriSec on 11/24/2008 15:53:55
The story from the Sydney Herald is rather enlightening....
Penis Sauce (no photo, story is work safe!
)
Comment by BobR on 11/24/2008 15:55:04
I'm still several episodes behind, so please use the "Spoiler Alert!" emoticon!
BobR on 11/24/2008 15:55:04
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all.
Scoop! Trueblood! Finale! Discuss!
I'm still several episodes behind, so please use the "Spoiler Alert!" emoticon!
Comment by wickedpam on 11/24/2008 15:56:11
wickedpam on 11/24/2008 15:56:11
mah = feh
Comment by livingonli on 11/24/2008 15:56:19
livingonli on 11/24/2008 15:56:19
Meh. 
Comment by BobR on 11/24/2008 15:57:24
TiSec.... a reminder.... :whistling:
BobR on 11/24/2008 15:57:24
Quote by BobR:
btw - what is Alabama spice pie? I did a search for that one, and came up empty...
TiSec.... a reminder.... :whistling:
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 15:57:27
Raine on 11/24/2008 15:57:27
I think HRC has a money problem...
Something seems very fishy with this, and I am wondering if this is going to hurt her chances of being SoS. Why would she transfer millions to her Senate campaign when she still owed the vendors and the campaign itself all that money?
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's team has told the Federal Election Commission that she continued her campaign even after endorsing Democratic presidential rival Barack Obama on June 7, a claim that lets her transfer millions of dollars from her presidential bid to her Senate campaign.
The former first lady made the $6.4 million transfer from her White House campaign, which remains more than $7 million in debt, to Friends of Hillary on Aug. 28. That date would fall outside the legal deadline for making such a move if her campaign were to have ended June 7.
Her campaign treasurer told federal regulators that Mrs. Clinton spent more than a quarter-million dollars engaging in "vigorous political activity" throughout June, according to newly released FEC filings.
"The committee continued to actively contest for delegates at the state and local delegate-selection events during the month of June," campaign treasurer Shelly Moskwa wrote in a letter to the FEC dated Nov. 20. "Nothing in Senator Clinton's remarks indicated that she was withdrawing from the race.
"While she indicated that she was suspending her campaign, the term 'suspension' has no legal meaning," Ms. Moskwa wrote.
Precisely when Mrs. Clinton, who is expected to be Mr. Obama's secretary of state nominee, dropped out of the Democratic presidential primaries is emerging as an important legal question for FEC regulators examining the transfer of funds. Such transfers are legal if donors give their permission, and the Clinton campaign has said donors indeed authorized the move.
Still, such transfers also must take place within 60 days of when a candidate withdraws from the race, according to FEC rules. The Aug. 28 transfer date fell more than 80 days after...
Something seems very fishy with this, and I am wondering if this is going to hurt her chances of being SoS. Why would she transfer millions to her Senate campaign when she still owed the vendors and the campaign itself all that money?
Comment by m-hadley on 11/24/2008 15:58:10
BTB, Raine,
Did you ever get the PM I sent you via the Gmail? Please let me know. I really want to do my part - so just want to know what "my part" may involve...
Cheers,
mfaye :dance:
m-hadley on 11/24/2008 15:58:10
Quote by Raine:It was great, btw... Glad to read that at least congress is ready to TRY to do something about it.Quote by m-hadley:Quote by BobR:
In an interesting bit of serendipity, Faye posted about Bush's 11th-hour environmental changes, and what may be done to counteract them...
Thanks for noticing my most recent post, BobR :D
Great minds and all that.... Love to you, Raine, Kizzie, and the kitties :hug:
Cheers,
mfaye
BTB, Raine,
Did you ever get the PM I sent you via the Gmail? Please let me know. I really want to do my part - so just want to know what "my part" may involve...
Cheers,
mfaye
:dance:
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 15:59:05
Bobber when Scoop gets around to responding I will suggest a move to PM.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 15:59:05
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Morning all.
Scoop! Trueblood! Finale! Discuss!
I'm still several episodes behind, so please use the "Spoiler Alert!" emoticon!
Bobber when Scoop gets around to responding I will suggest a move to PM.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 15:59:07
:spoiler:
So yeah.. what's with the tweakin' lady and what's her deal with Sam?
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 15:59:07
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all.
Scoop! Trueblood! Finale! Discuss!
:spoiler:
So yeah.. what's with the tweakin' lady and what's her deal with Sam?
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 16:01:31
TriSec on 11/24/2008 16:01:31
Oh, right.
"Spice Pie" is a family recipe from my stepmother's family (originally from Clanton, Alabama).
"The squash just holds the spices together" as Veera used to say. (aged matriach, now deceased.)
I haven't made it in a long time; Mrs. TriSec won't eat it. It's actually not a sweet pie.
There's not a lot of recipes out there, but here's an idea...
"Spice Pie" is a family recipe from my stepmother's family (originally from Clanton, Alabama).
"The squash just holds the spices together" as Veera used to say. (aged matriach, now deceased.)
I haven't made it in a long time; Mrs. TriSec won't eat it. It's actually not a sweet pie.
There's not a lot of recipes out there, but here's an idea...
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 16:02:19
Best sentence in the article: "A search of his car uncovered pornography, a home-made sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier." :rofl:
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 16:02:19
Quote by TriSec:
The story from the Sydney Herald is rather enlightening....
Penis Sauce (no photo, story is work safe!
Best sentence in the article: "A search of his car uncovered pornography, a home-made sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier." :rofl:
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 16:06:30
:spoiler:
Ya mean the lovely Michelle Forbes? She seems to be shifter too. How did Sam get all that money in his safe. Poor Bill has a problem child now!
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 16:06:30
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all.
Scoop! Trueblood! Finale! Discuss!
:spoiler:
So yeah.. what's with the tweakin' lady and what's her deal with Sam?
:spoiler:
Ya mean the lovely Michelle Forbes? She seems to be shifter too. How did Sam get all that money in his safe. Poor Bill has a problem child now!
Comment by livingonli on 11/24/2008 16:07:27
Now that's a winning combination.
livingonli on 11/24/2008 16:07:27
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
The story from the Sydney Herald is rather enlightening....
Penis Sauce (no photo, story is work safe!
Best sentence in the article: "A search of his car uncovered pornography, a home-made sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier." :rofl:
Now that's a winning combination.
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 16:08:10
....With that, I am leaving.
Random on 11/24/2008 16:08:10
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all.
Scoop! Trueblood! Finale! Discuss!
....With that, I am leaving.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 16:08:41
Ain't is Liv!
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 16:08:41
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
The story from the Sydney Herald is rather enlightening....
Penis Sauce (no photo, story is work safe!
Best sentence in the article: "A search of his car uncovered pornography, a home-made sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier." :rofl:
Now that's a winning combination.
Ain't is Liv!
Comment by livingonli on 11/24/2008 16:19:24
livingonli on 11/24/2008 16:19:24
Poor Laura Ingrahm. She's a-scared of the gay people dating.
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 16:21:16
And leave me here alone... 
Raine on 11/24/2008 16:21:16
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Morning all.
Scoop! Trueblood! Finale! Discuss!
....With that, I am leaving.
Comment by BobR on 11/24/2008 16:22:53
ok, so it's in the same general genre as sweet potato or pumpkin pie...
BobR on 11/24/2008 16:22:53
Quote by TriSec:
Oh, right.
"Spice Pie" is a family recipe from my stepmother's family (originally from Clanton, Alabama).
"The squash just holds the spices together" as Veera used to say. (aged matriach, now deceased.)
I haven't made it in a long time; Mrs. TriSec won't eat it. It's actually not a sweet pie.
There's not a lot of recipes out there, but here's an idea...
ok, so it's in the same general genre as sweet potato or pumpkin pie...
Comment by livingonli on 11/24/2008 16:24:54
I'm still here.
livingonli on 11/24/2008 16:24:54
Quote by Raine:And leave me here alone...Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all.
Scoop! Trueblood! Finale! Discuss!
....With that, I am leaving.
I'm still here.
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 16:26:04
TriSec on 11/24/2008 16:26:04
Ya know, I'd still like to con Mrs. TriSec into taking a few of those 'online compatability tests'...just to see how many red flags we'd get.
Ah yes, look up "opposites attract" and there's our picture.
Ah yes, look up "opposites attract" and there's our picture.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 16:28:49
Awww poor little Random and his impossibly high standards for TV entertainment. Ironic don't you think since his main use the TV mosheen is playing mind numbingly retarded, blood soaked video games.
:sarcasm: 
:poke:
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 16:28:49
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all.
Scoop! Trueblood! Finale! Discuss!
....With that, I am leaving.
Awww poor little Random and his impossibly high standards for TV entertainment. Ironic don't you think since his main use the TV mosheen is playing mind numbingly retarded, blood soaked video games.
:sarcasm: :poke:
Comment by livingonli on 11/24/2008 16:33:22
livingonli on 11/24/2008 16:33:22
I think someone is going to be pressing his smote button.
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 16:35:35
TriSec on 11/24/2008 16:35:35
Why isn't there an "E-Hate" website? Seems like there should be...
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 16:43:33
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 16:43:33
Wait! that's Michelle Forbes? As in Kalifornia and Ensign Ro Laren?
I was trying to think who the hell that was.. something in my mind said Sela Ward but the face just didn't match up right.
I was trying to think who the hell that was.. something in my mind said Sela Ward but the face just didn't match up right.
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 16:46:00
See, it's stereotypes like that, that create jackasses like Jack Thompson.
So you know, not every game is a blood-soaked violent rampage through the streets of a New York-esque city. Some of them are detailed, well thought out stories that are better then most of the bullshit seen on T.V.
Random on 11/24/2008 16:46:00
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all.
Scoop! Trueblood! Finale! Discuss!
....With that, I am leaving.
Awww poor little Random and his impossibly high standards for TV entertainment. Ironic don't you think since his main use the TV mosheen is playing mind numbingly retarded, blood soaked video games.
See, it's stereotypes like that, that create jackasses like Jack Thompson.
So you know, not every game is a blood-soaked violent rampage through the streets of a New York-esque city. Some of them are detailed, well thought out stories that are better then most of the bullshit seen on T.V.
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 16:46:41
uh what?
Random on 11/24/2008 16:46:41
Quote by Raine:And leave me here alone...Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all.
Scoop! Trueblood! Finale! Discuss!
....With that, I am leaving.
uh what?
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 16:47:34
Raine on 11/24/2008 16:47:34
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 16:48:13
Actually from what I've seen about reactions to this show, you either really love it or you absolutely hate it. I'm not really that surprised.
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 16:48:13
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all.
Scoop! Trueblood! Finale! Discuss!
....With that, I am leaving.
Awww poor little Random and his impossibly high standards for TV entertainment. Ironic don't you think since his main use the TV mosheen is playing mind numbingly retarded, blood soaked video games.
Actually from what I've seen about reactions to this show, you either really love it or you absolutely hate it. I'm not really that surprised.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 16:49:48
Yes Dr Julianna Cox, Admiral Helena Cain, Dawn Lockard herself. RrrrrrRRRRRRR. I'd know that mole anywhere. rrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrrr.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 16:49:48
Quote by Scoopster:
Wait! that's Michelle Forbes? As in Kalifornia and Ensign Ro Laren?
I was trying to think who the hell that was.. something in my mind said Sela Ward but the face just didn't match up right.
Yes Dr Julianna Cox, Admiral Helena Cain, Dawn Lockard herself. RrrrrrRRRRRRR. I'd know that mole anywhere. rrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrrr.
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 16:50:26
TriSec on 11/24/2008 16:50:26
That's interesting...
So, the stock market is heading back down to where it was when Clinton left office, now gas prices are doing the same...
It's almost as if the Universe is rejecting the Bush "presidency" and having a "do-over" isn't it?
Now, if we could only bring back the 4200 dead GIs...
So, the stock market is heading back down to where it was when Clinton left office, now gas prices are doing the same...
It's almost as if the Universe is rejecting the Bush "presidency" and having a "do-over" isn't it?
Now, if we could only bring back the 4200 dead GIs...
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 16:51:40
ACtually, never saw the show, but with this huge rush of Vampire related T.V. and movie shit, it can't be good.
Random on 11/24/2008 16:51:40
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all.
Scoop! Trueblood! Finale! Discuss!
....With that, I am leaving.
Awww poor little Random and his impossibly high standards for TV entertainment. Ironic don't you think since his main use the TV mosheen is playing mind numbingly retarded, blood soaked video games.
Actually from what I've seen about reactions to this show, you either really love it or you absolutely hate it. I'm not really that surprised.
ACtually, never saw the show, but with this huge rush of Vampire related T.V. and movie shit, it can't be good.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 16:51:51
I'll agree with you there man.. TV for the most part has become a wasteland. It kinda sucks 'cause I have all my regular stuff on auto-timers so the channel just auto-flips and stuff, and sometimes watching the same stuff almost every night can be a bit monotonous.
Damnit I wish my internet at home didn't suck so hard. I'd be able to catch up on all my anime series viewing online..
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 16:51:51
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Awww poor little Random and his impossibly high standards for TV entertainment. Ironic don't you think since his main use the TV mosheen is playing mind numbingly retarded, blood soaked video games.
See, it's stereotypes like that, that create jackasses like Jack Thompson.
So you know, not every game is a blood-soaked violent rampage through the streets of a New York-esque city. Some of them are detailed, well thought out stories that are better then most of the bullshit seen on T.V.
I'll agree with you there man.. TV for the most part has become a wasteland. It kinda sucks 'cause I have all my regular stuff on auto-timers so the channel just auto-flips and stuff, and sometimes watching the same stuff almost every night can be a bit monotonous.
Damnit I wish my internet at home didn't suck so hard. I'd be able to catch up on all my anime series viewing online..
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 16:52:19
Duh! Why do you think it was dripping with sarcasm? Sheesh! Kids today with no knowledge of real irony! :poke:
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 16:52:19
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all.
Scoop! Trueblood! Finale! Discuss!
....With that, I am leaving.
Awww poor little Random and his impossibly high standards for TV entertainment. Ironic don't you think since his main use the TV mosheen is playing mind numbingly retarded, blood soaked video games.
See, it's stereotypes like that, that create jackasses like Jack Thompson.
So you know, not every game is a blood-soaked violent rampage through the streets of a New York-esque city. Some of them are detailed, well thought out stories that are better then most of the bullshit seen on T.V.
Duh! Why do you think it was dripping with sarcasm? Sheesh! Kids today with no knowledge of real irony!
:poke:
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 16:57:30
I'm sorry Scoop. You are one of those who has been hoodwinked into thinking Japanamation is some superior art form, vastly superior than anything produced in the US. I'm not a fan. I think I was traumatized by some at a SF convention in the 80s.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 16:57:30
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Awww poor little Random and his impossibly high standards for TV entertainment. Ironic don't you think since his main use the TV mosheen is playing mind numbingly retarded, blood soaked video games.
See, it's stereotypes like that, that create jackasses like Jack Thompson.
So you know, not every game is a blood-soaked violent rampage through the streets of a New York-esque city. Some of them are detailed, well thought out stories that are better then most of the bullshit seen on T.V.
I'll agree with you there man.. TV for the most part has become a wasteland. It kinda sucks 'cause I have all my regular stuff on auto-timers so the channel just auto-flips and stuff, and sometimes watching the same stuff almost every night can be a bit monotonous.
Damnit I wish my internet at home didn't suck so hard. I'd be able to catch up on all my anime series viewing online..
I'm sorry Scoop. You are one of those who has been hoodwinked into thinking Japanamation is some superior art form, vastly superior than anything produced in the US. I'm not a fan. I think I was traumatized by some at a SF convention in the 80s.
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 16:58:26
I just think your use of Sarcasm is poor, it's almost impossible to decipher your meaning.
And that's coming from someone who mostly speaks in sarcastic tones.
Random on 11/24/2008 16:58:26
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all.
Scoop! Trueblood! Finale! Discuss!
....With that, I am leaving.
Awww poor little Random and his impossibly high standards for TV entertainment. Ironic don't you think since his main use the TV mosheen is playing mind numbingly retarded, blood soaked video games.
See, it's stereotypes like that, that create jackasses like Jack Thompson.
So you know, not every game is a blood-soaked violent rampage through the streets of a New York-esque city. Some of them are detailed, well thought out stories that are better then most of the bullshit seen on T.V.
Duh! Why do you think it was dripping with sarcasm? Sheesh! Kids today with no knowledge of real irony!
I just think your use of Sarcasm is poor, it's almost impossible to decipher your meaning.
And that's coming from someone who mostly speaks in sarcastic tones.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 16:59:35
Oh there you go stereotyping. Haven't seen it yet passing judgment.
Don't wiggle out with a Random being random comment!
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 16:59:35
Quote by Random:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all.
Scoop! Trueblood! Finale! Discuss!
....With that, I am leaving.
Awww poor little Random and his impossibly high standards for TV entertainment. Ironic don't you think since his main use the TV mosheen is playing mind numbingly retarded, blood soaked video games.
Actually from what I've seen about reactions to this show, you either really love it or you absolutely hate it. I'm not really that surprised.
ACtually, never saw the show, but with this huge rush of Vampire related T.V. and movie shit, it can't be good.
Oh there you go stereotyping. Haven't seen it yet passing judgment.
Don't wiggle out with a Random being random comment!
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 17:00:06
Damnit I wish my internet at home didn't suck so hard. I'd be able to catch up on all my anime series viewing online..
Random on 11/24/2008 17:00:06
Damnit I wish my internet at home didn't suck so hard. I'd be able to catch up on all my anime series viewing online..
And that's why i read manga. Easier to get a hole of, certainly pictures are much easier to access with shitty connections then video. And most Good Anime was a manga made before or after it's airing. So, can't go too wrong.
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 17:02:30
TriSec on 11/24/2008 17:02:30
:modbat:
Don't be messing with my anime, Mondo.
However, if you look at "Space Cruiser Yamato" (known as Star Blazers in the US), you'll see all the basic characters that appear in any anime since. (It's true, all the male leads look like Wildstar, and all the female leads look like Nova).
However, their storylines and concepts are light-years ahead of anything produced in the US.
Seems to me that cartoons in the US are created for maximum gross factor, while Japan still tries to tell a compelling story.
Don't be messing with my anime, Mondo.
However, if you look at "Space Cruiser Yamato" (known as Star Blazers in the US), you'll see all the basic characters that appear in any anime since. (It's true, all the male leads look like Wildstar, and all the female leads look like Nova).
However, their storylines and concepts are light-years ahead of anything produced in the US.
Seems to me that cartoons in the US are created for maximum gross factor, while Japan still tries to tell a compelling story.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 17:03:33
That is where the high level of irony comes in. It is cuttingly sarcastic, yet doesn't seem like it. It is called "dry."
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 17:03:33
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Morning all.
Scoop! Trueblood! Finale! Discuss!
....With that, I am leaving.
Awww poor little Random and his impossibly high standards for TV entertainment. Ironic don't you think since his main use the TV mosheen is playing mind numbingly retarded, blood soaked video games.
See, it's stereotypes like that, that create jackasses like Jack Thompson.
So you know, not every game is a blood-soaked violent rampage through the streets of a New York-esque city. Some of them are detailed, well thought out stories that are better then most of the bullshit seen on T.V.
Duh! Why do you think it was dripping with sarcasm? Sheesh! Kids today with no knowledge of real irony!
I just think your use of Sarcasm is poor, it's almost impossible to decipher your meaning.
And that's coming from someone who mostly speaks in sarcastic tones.
That is where the high level of irony comes in. It is cuttingly sarcastic, yet doesn't seem like it. It is called "dry."
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 17:05:52
That i would agree with.
Also, Anime seems to treat animation as a serious medium for story telling. Instead of a comedic one.
Random on 11/24/2008 17:05:52
Quote by TriSec:
:modbat:
Don't be messing with my anime, Mondo.
However, if you look at "Space Cruiser Yamato" (known as Star Blazers in the US), you'll see all the basic characters that appear in any anime since. (It's true, all the male leads look like Wildstar, and all the female leads look like Nova).
However, their storylines and concepts are light-years ahead of anything produced in the US.
Seems to me that cartoons in the US are created for maximum gross factor, while Japan still tries to tell a compelling story.
That i would agree with.
Also, Anime seems to treat animation as a serious medium for story telling. Instead of a comedic one.
Comment by BobR on 11/24/2008 17:06:38
BobR on 11/24/2008 17:06:38
I've never been able to grasp the appeal of anime, nor manga. Of course, I grew up on Looney Toons and Disney, where animation was raised to an art form. It took me a while to get into computer animation, and in some ways it still seems to lack something.
Just watch "Bambi" or "Snow White" (or any classic Bugs Bunny) if you want to see real artists at work.
Just watch "Bambi" or "Snow White" (or any classic Bugs Bunny) if you want to see real artists at work.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 17:07:04
When did I say it was a superior art form? I'm actually a fan of animation in general. It's one of those things that happened to us GenXers..
The thing that pulls me in is the stories anyways. You don't need animation for quality dramatic storylines.
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 17:07:04
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I'll agree with you there man.. TV for the most part has become a wasteland. It kinda sucks 'cause I have all my regular stuff on auto-timers so the channel just auto-flips and stuff, and sometimes watching the same stuff almost every night can be a bit monotonous.
Damnit I wish my internet at home didn't suck so hard. I'd be able to catch up on all my anime series viewing online..
I'm sorry Scoop. You are one of those who has been hoodwinked into thinking Japanamation is some superior art form, vastly superior than anything produced in the US. I'm not a fan. I think I was traumatized by some at a SF convention in the 80s.
When did I say it was a superior art form? I'm actually a fan of animation in general. It's one of those things that happened to us GenXers..
The thing that pulls me in is the stories anyways. You don't need animation for quality dramatic storylines.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 17:08:14
Yeah,right whatever Mulder. Whats with the creepy big round eyes? Why do we class it up with the French world for animation? I'm just sayin...
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 17:08:14
Quote by TriSec:
:modbat:
Don't be messing with my anime, Mondo.
However, if you look at "Space Cruiser Yamato" (known as Star Blazers in the US), you'll see all the basic characters that appear in any anime since. (It's true, all the male leads look like Wildstar, and all the female leads look like Nova).
However, their storylines and concepts are light-years ahead of anything produced in the US.
Seems to me that cartoons in the US are created for maximum gross factor, while Japan still tries to tell a compelling story.
Yeah,right whatever Mulder. Whats with the creepy big round eyes? Why do we class it up with the French world for animation? I'm just sayin...
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 17:08:22
I full heartidly admit to stereotyping. But doesn't change the fact that vampire fiction is big now, or to be more precise that urban fantasy (mordern world fantasy) is very big, hence people buying up book properties to make T.V. shows of it. Dresden last year (or year before, can't remember, just pissed it was canceled) True Blood, Twillight, That vampire show last year that was canceled.
I personally blame the resurgance of Doctor Who for it.
Random on 11/24/2008 17:08:22
Quote by Mondobubba:
Oh there you go stereotyping. Haven't seen it yet passing judgment.
Don't wiggle out with a Random being random comment!
I full heartidly admit to stereotyping. But doesn't change the fact that vampire fiction is big now, or to be more precise that urban fantasy (mordern world fantasy) is very big, hence people buying up book properties to make T.V. shows of it. Dresden last year (or year before, can't remember, just pissed it was canceled) True Blood, Twillight, That vampire show last year that was canceled.
I personally blame the resurgance of Doctor Who for it.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 17:09:28
:fbump: Tri can be my wingman anytime! Tho there are some US animation studios that try to make the stories good as well.. Pixar comes to mind right away.
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 17:09:28
Quote by TriSec:
:modbat:
Don't be messing with my anime, Mondo.
However, if you look at "Space Cruiser Yamato" (known as Star Blazers in the US), you'll see all the basic characters that appear in any anime since. (It's true, all the male leads look like Wildstar, and all the female leads look like Nova).
However, their storylines and concepts are light-years ahead of anything produced in the US.
Seems to me that cartoons in the US are created for maximum gross factor, while Japan still tries to tell a compelling story.
:fbump: Tri can be my wingman anytime! Tho there are some US animation studios that try to make the stories good as well.. Pixar comes to mind right away.
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 17:11:24
Art hasn't gotten bad, you just can't change what you like. (nothing wrong with that) I would say the only thing holding back Looney Toons, and Disney is their need to treat animation as a Child-Only, medium. Even then those that aren't Child-Only, in the states, are pure comedic. Little is lacking in serious adult story telling.
Random on 11/24/2008 17:11:24
Quote by BobR:
I've never been able to grasp the appeal of anime, nor manga. Of course, I grew up on Looney Toons and Disney, where animation was raised to an art form. It took me a while to get into computer animation, and in some ways it still seems to lack something.
Just watch "Bambi" or "Snow White" (or any classic Bugs Bunny) if you want to see real artists at work.
Art hasn't gotten bad, you just can't change what you like. (nothing wrong with that) I would say the only thing holding back Looney Toons, and Disney is their need to treat animation as a Child-Only, medium. Even then those that aren't Child-Only, in the states, are pure comedic. Little is lacking in serious adult story telling.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 17:12:00
Yepper, Bobber. Have you read Maltin's book on this history of animation. Hell, even the neo-disney Disney stuff is pretty good. But then getting the guys who did "Little Shop of Horrors" to write your music was stroke of genius. Give it up for Roy Disney he brought great animation back to Disney.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 17:12:00
Quote by BobR:
I've never been able to grasp the appeal of anime, nor manga. Of course, I grew up on Looney Toons and Disney, where animation was raised to an art form. It took me a while to get into computer animation, and in some ways it still seems to lack something.
Just watch "Bambi" or "Snow White" (or any classic Bugs Bunny) if you want to see real artists at work.
Yepper, Bobber. Have you read Maltin's book on this history of animation. Hell, even the neo-disney Disney stuff is pretty good. But then getting the guys who did "Little Shop of Horrors" to write your music was stroke of genius. Give it up for Roy Disney he brought great animation back to Disney.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 17:13:47
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 17:13:47
How about mixing anime AND vampire fiction? :lol:
Yeah yeah.. I should've gone with the classic - Vampire Hunter D...
Yeah yeah.. I should've gone with the classic - Vampire Hunter D...
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 17:15:05
Well, shit, can't remember the one i watched...Once. It was freaky Trinity...something...
Random on 11/24/2008 17:15:05
Quote by Scoopster:
How about mixing anime AND vampire fiction? :lol:
Yeah yeah.. I should've gone with the classic - Vampire Hunter D...
Well, shit, can't remember the one i watched...Once. It was freaky Trinity...something...
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 17:16:29
Raine on 11/24/2008 17:16:29
We have our first official PE Obama nomination: Timothy Geithner to be Treasury secretary.
It should be noted that ALL of the other nominees have come from unnamed sources. Not to say they are not valid, but Geithner's nomination is indeed right in line with an Obama promise that he would name the SoT first.
It should be noted that ALL of the other nominees have come from unnamed sources. Not to say they are not valid, but Geithner's nomination is indeed right in line with an Obama promise that he would name the SoT first.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 17:17:21
Then say that! Don't tease. I agree with you a lot of the current crop of vampire stuff is really icky. What I like about Trueblood is it basically Southern Gothic with supernatural twist. Plus all the vampires besides Bill Compton are amoral blood sucking freaks. As far a Twilight goes, anything that has a fan base of 13-year old girls, well enough said.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 17:17:21
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Oh there you go stereotyping. Haven't seen it yet passing judgment.
Don't wiggle out with a Random being random comment!
I full heartidly admit to stereotyping. But doesn't change the fact that vampire fiction is big now, or to be more precise that urban fantasy (mordern world fantasy) is very big, hence people buying up book properties to make T.V. shows of it. Dresden last year (or year before, can't remember, just pissed it was canceled) True Blood, Twillight, That vampire show last year that was canceled.
I personally blame the resurgance of Doctor Who for it.
Then say that! Don't tease. I agree with you a lot of the current crop of vampire stuff is really icky. What I like about Trueblood is it basically Southern Gothic with supernatural twist. Plus all the vampires besides Bill Compton are amoral blood sucking freaks. As far a Twilight goes, anything that has a fan base of 13-year old girls, well enough said.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 17:19:31
Trinity Blood? It's not a vampire series tho (unless you consider the Vatican a den of bloodsucking bastards heh)..
I don't think they ever made an animated version of Blade Trinity either.. hmm
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 17:19:31
Quote by Random:Quote by Scoopster:
How about mixing anime AND vampire fiction? :lol:
Yeah yeah.. I should've gone with the classic - Vampire Hunter D...
Well, shit, can't remember the one i watched...Once. It was freaky Trinity...something...
Trinity Blood? It's not a vampire series tho (unless you consider the Vatican a den of bloodsucking bastards heh)..
I don't think they ever made an animated version of Blade Trinity either.. hmm
Comment by livingonli on 11/24/2008 17:22:49
livingonli on 11/24/2008 17:22:49
Remember in the 80's when most TV animation was just program length toy commercials?
Comment by livingonli on 11/24/2008 17:24:58
livingonli on 11/24/2008 17:24:58
But anyone noticed how Adult Swim has quietly dumped Anime and are mostly just runing the in-house shows plus Family Guy and the recently added Clerks (I guess they will air the episodes ABC didn't air).
Comment by wickedpam on 11/24/2008 17:26:37
Vamp fiction been popular for a long while now - think it appeals to teens in particular, I got into it with Anne Rice and Interview (which I think is better then Lestat) way back in HS.
what Vamp show are you talking about that got cancelled? I dont' remember one from last year. I mean personally I'm a total Buffy/Angel fan - one of my fave Angel epi is still the one where Angel gets turned into a puppet.
Anyway - what does this have to do with the Doctor?
wickedpam on 11/24/2008 17:26:37
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Oh there you go stereotyping. Haven't seen it yet passing judgment.
Don't wiggle out with a Random being random comment!
I full heartidly admit to stereotyping. But doesn't change the fact that vampire fiction is big now, or to be more precise that urban fantasy (mordern world fantasy) is very big, hence people buying up book properties to make T.V. shows of it. Dresden last year (or year before, can't remember, just pissed it was canceled) True Blood, Twillight, That vampire show last year that was canceled.
I personally blame the resurgance of Doctor Who for it.
Vamp fiction been popular for a long while now - think it appeals to teens in particular, I got into it with Anne Rice and Interview (which I think is better then Lestat) way back in HS.
what Vamp show are you talking about that got cancelled? I dont' remember one from last year. I mean personally I'm a total Buffy/Angel fan - one of my fave Angel epi is still the one where Angel gets turned into a puppet.
Anyway - what does this have to do with the Doctor?
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 17:26:54
no...Real bloody, maybe it wasn't trinity...>< jesus...I only saw the first episode, or some of it. Vampire working for an organization, goes to a church to kill some demon hell spawn, a girl cop is held at gun point, vampire shoots through her, leaving a gapping hole, but saves her by turning her into a vampire...Something like that.
Random on 11/24/2008 17:26:54
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Random:Quote by Scoopster:
How about mixing anime AND vampire fiction? :lol:
Yeah yeah.. I should've gone with the classic - Vampire Hunter D...
Well, shit, can't remember the one i watched...Once. It was freaky Trinity...something...
Trinity Blood? It's not a vampire series tho (unless you consider the Vatican a den of bloodsucking bastards heh)..
I don't think they ever made an animated version of Blade Trinity either.. hmm
no...Real bloody, maybe it wasn't trinity...>< jesus...I only saw the first episode, or some of it. Vampire working for an organization, goes to a church to kill some demon hell spawn, a girl cop is held at gun point, vampire shoots through her, leaving a gapping hole, but saves her by turning her into a vampire...Something like that.
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 17:28:21
Just as a thought, for a show that had six episodes, how can they get people coming back to watching it. And i'd hope they'd air the ones ABC didn't, cause ABC only aired Two episodes.
Random on 11/24/2008 17:28:21
Quote by livingonli:
But anyone noticed how Adult Swim has quietly dumped Anime and are mostly just runing the in-house shows plus Family Guy and the recently added Clerks (I guess they will air the episodes ABC didn't air).
Just as a thought, for a show that had six episodes, how can they get people coming back to watching it. And i'd hope they'd air the ones ABC didn't, cause ABC only aired Two episodes.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/24/2008 17:28:26
Don't they still run the Anime late night Fridays and Sat? Could have sworn I saw a Cowboy Bebop(or hop - can't remember)
wickedpam on 11/24/2008 17:28:26
Quote by livingonli:
But anyone noticed how Adult Swim has quietly dumped Anime and are mostly just runing the in-house shows plus Family Guy and the recently added Clerks (I guess they will air the episodes ABC didn't air).
Don't they still run the Anime late night Fridays and Sat? Could have sworn I saw a Cowboy Bebop(or hop - can't remember)
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 17:29:38
Nothing quiet about it - they dumped it almost completely from their weekday lineup. We AS fanboys complained a lot tho so they reinstated the Sat-Sun all-night block. I'm happy as can be 'cause it means I get to watch Death Note from the beginning!
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 17:29:38
Quote by livingonli:
But anyone noticed how Adult Swim has quietly dumped Anime and are mostly just runing the in-house shows plus Family Guy and the recently added Clerks (I guess they will air the episodes ABC didn't air).
Nothing quiet about it - they dumped it almost completely from their weekday lineup. We AS fanboys complained a lot tho so they reinstated the Sat-Sun all-night block. I'm happy as can be 'cause it means I get to watch Death Note from the beginning!
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 17:34:08
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 17:34:08
Sat/Sun anime lineup (1AM-6AM):
Bleach
Moribito: Guardian of the Spirit
Code Geass
Shin Chan
FLCL (aka Fooly Cooly)
Death Note
Ghost in the Shell
Cowboy Bebop
Big O
Inuyasha (runs every day of the week.. but who cares cuz it SUCKS)
Bleach
Moribito: Guardian of the Spirit
Code Geass
Shin Chan
FLCL (aka Fooly Cooly)
Death Note
Ghost in the Shell
Cowboy Bebop
Big O
Inuyasha (runs every day of the week.. but who cares cuz it SUCKS)
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 17:35:06
My point was Vamp Fic/Modern Fantasy TV is currently really popular, i know books have had it for years. It was Moon something or other, it wsa dumped quick, it was on ABC, or CBS, or NBC.
To conclude this disturbing confused rant, I don't blame Buffy or Angel cause they came and went, and were basically the only fantasy-esque shows on T.V. Now, basically since Doctor Who came back Fantasy is big. (I know Who is a bit more Sci-Fi-ie, but it's still very modern day((you know what i mean)), so it counts). With Dresden, and this year true Blood, Twillight. That new Sci-Fi show, with the woman from SG-1.
It's what's big now.
Random on 11/24/2008 17:35:06
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Oh there you go stereotyping. Haven't seen it yet passing judgment.
Don't wiggle out with a Random being random comment!
I full heartidly admit to stereotyping. But doesn't change the fact that vampire fiction is big now, or to be more precise that urban fantasy (mordern world fantasy) is very big, hence people buying up book properties to make T.V. shows of it. Dresden last year (or year before, can't remember, just pissed it was canceled) True Blood, Twillight, That vampire show last year that was canceled.
I personally blame the resurgance of Doctor Who for it.
Vamp fiction been popular for a long while now - think it appeals to teens in particular, I got into it with Anne Rice and Interview (which I think is better then Lestat) way back in HS.
what Vamp show are you talking about that got cancelled? I dont' remember one from last year. I mean personally I'm a total Buffy/Angel fan - one of my fave Angel epi is still the one where Angel gets turned into a puppet.
Anyway - what does this have to do with the Doctor?
My point was Vamp Fic/Modern Fantasy TV is currently really popular, i know books have had it for years. It was Moon something or other, it wsa dumped quick, it was on ABC, or CBS, or NBC.
To conclude this disturbing confused rant, I don't blame Buffy or Angel cause they came and went, and were basically the only fantasy-esque shows on T.V. Now, basically since Doctor Who came back Fantasy is big. (I know Who is a bit more Sci-Fi-ie, but it's still very modern day((you know what i mean)), so it counts). With Dresden, and this year true Blood, Twillight. That new Sci-Fi show, with the woman from SG-1.
It's what's big now.
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 17:35:58
I hate Death Note.
(and unlike many other things, i've read a few of the Manga, and i got damn hate it)
Random on 11/24/2008 17:35:58
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by livingonli:
But anyone noticed how Adult Swim has quietly dumped Anime and are mostly just runing the in-house shows plus Family Guy and the recently added Clerks (I guess they will air the episodes ABC didn't air).
Nothing quiet about it - they dumped it almost completely from their weekday lineup. We AS fanboys complained a lot tho so they reinstated the Sat-Sun all-night block. I'm happy as can be 'cause it means I get to watch Death Note from the beginning!
I hate Death Note.
(and unlike many other things, i've read a few of the Manga, and i got damn hate it)
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 17:38:18
Random, Disney and Warner Bros never treated animation as a child only medium. This is a very common misunderstanding. The Warner Brothers cartoons from the 30s, 40s and early 50s were never meant for a kid only audience. This is why you have Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd singing opera. Disney has from the git go trying to make stuff that appeals to all ages. There is some very serious stuff in the classic cannon o Disney. They have villains that are supremely creepy and scary. Snow White comes to mind. The thing with Disney is Walt went totally family friendly in the 50s, hence the Mickey Mouse Club. This where cartoons became linked with kids only. Disney to their detriment until Eisner took over the company, churned out a massive pile of cheaply animated crap that wasn't aimed at a mass audience, it was stuff parents saw as obligation to suffer threw with their kids. When Eisner, Katzenburg and Roy Disney decided to start making full length animated movies again, they hired quality like Menkin and Ashman to write the stories and music. The stuff works on the kid level and the adult level as well.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 17:38:18
Quote by Random:Quote by BobR:
I've never been able to grasp the appeal of anime, nor manga. Of course, I grew up on Looney Toons and Disney, where animation was raised to an art form. It took me a while to get into computer animation, and in some ways it still seems to lack something.
Just watch "Bambi" or "Snow White" (or any classic Bugs Bunny) if you want to see real artists at work.
Art hasn't gotten bad, you just can't change what you like. (nothing wrong with that) I would say the only thing holding back Looney Toons, and Disney is their need to treat animation as a Child-Only, medium. Even then those that aren't Child-Only, in the states, are pure comedic. Little is lacking in serious adult story telling.
Random, Disney and Warner Bros never treated animation as a child only medium. This is a very common misunderstanding. The Warner Brothers cartoons from the 30s, 40s and early 50s were never meant for a kid only audience. This is why you have Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd singing opera. Disney has from the git go trying to make stuff that appeals to all ages. There is some very serious stuff in the classic cannon o Disney. They have villains that are supremely creepy and scary. Snow White comes to mind. The thing with Disney is Walt went totally family friendly in the 50s, hence the Mickey Mouse Club. This where cartoons became linked with kids only. Disney to their detriment until Eisner took over the company, churned out a massive pile of cheaply animated crap that wasn't aimed at a mass audience, it was stuff parents saw as obligation to suffer threw with their kids. When Eisner, Katzenburg and Roy Disney decided to start making full length animated movies again, they hired quality like Menkin and Ashman to write the stories and music. The stuff works on the kid level and the adult level as well.
Comment by livingonli on 11/24/2008 17:44:43
livingonli on 11/24/2008 17:44:43
Besides, how many Warner Bros. cartoons have you seen with references to rationing and other side events of the homefront during WWII that were topical at the time those cartoons were made?
What annoys me is that there are few outlets that show the classic cartoons anymore. Tom and Jerry and the other aspects of the MGM library run on Cartoon Network and Boomerang along with the occasional Popeye cartoon but what about Looney Tunes or even Woody Woodpecker for that matter? And Disney only occasionally shows the classic cartoon on either Disney Channel or Toon Disney anymore.
What annoys me is that there are few outlets that show the classic cartoons anymore. Tom and Jerry and the other aspects of the MGM library run on Cartoon Network and Boomerang along with the occasional Popeye cartoon but what about Looney Tunes or even Woody Woodpecker for that matter? And Disney only occasionally shows the classic cartoon on either Disney Channel or Toon Disney anymore.
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 17:46:30
The problem, with making things for all ages, means it has to well be kid friendly, and ultimately and kid movie. Nothing wrong with that, but All those movies are Kid movies. Great stories, wonderful animation, beautifully acted. But i can tell you the end of each of those stories before i sit and watch them. Big Bad guy is defeated, guy gets girl. When an animated movie or show comes out where the ending can't be read from the moment you sit down, then I'll treat it as an actual medium for story telling in this country.
Random on 11/24/2008 17:46:30
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by BobR:
I've never been able to grasp the appeal of anime, nor manga. Of course, I grew up on Looney Toons and Disney, where animation was raised to an art form. It took me a while to get into computer animation, and in some ways it still seems to lack something.
Just watch "Bambi" or "Snow White" (or any classic Bugs Bunny) if you want to see real artists at work.
Art hasn't gotten bad, you just can't change what you like. (nothing wrong with that) I would say the only thing holding back Looney Toons, and Disney is their need to treat animation as a Child-Only, medium. Even then those that aren't Child-Only, in the states, are pure comedic. Little is lacking in serious adult story telling.
Random, Disney and Warner Bros never treated animation as a child only medium. This is a very common misunderstanding. The Warner Brothers cartoons from the 30s, 40s and early 50s were never meant for a kid only audience. This is why you have Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd singing opera. Disney has from the git go trying to make stuff that appeals to all ages. There is some very serious stuff in the classic cannon o Disney. They have villains that are supremely creepy and scary. Snow White comes to mind. The thing with Disney is Walt went totally family friendly in the 50s, hence the Mickey Mouse Club. This where cartoons became linked with kids only. Disney to their detriment until Eisner took over the company, churned out a massive pile of cheaply animated crap that wasn't aimed at a mass audience, it was stuff parents saw as obligation to suffer threw with their kids. When Eisner, Katzenburg and Roy Disney decided to start making full length animated movies again, they hired quality like Menkin and Ashman to write the stories and music. The stuff works on the kid level and the adult level as well.
The problem, with making things for all ages, means it has to well be kid friendly, and ultimately and kid movie. Nothing wrong with that, but All those movies are Kid movies. Great stories, wonderful animation, beautifully acted. But i can tell you the end of each of those stories before i sit and watch them. Big Bad guy is defeated, guy gets girl. When an animated movie or show comes out where the ending can't be read from the moment you sit down, then I'll treat it as an actual medium for story telling in this country.
Comment by 
IzzyBitz on 11/24/2008 17:46:45
IzzyBitz on 11/24/2008 17:46:45
Eeep. Who passed out the contrary pills this morning?
I saw several episodes of True Blood and enjoyed it. The plot twists kept my interest and I always enjoy seeing Larry of Larry, Daryl and Daryl fame - it's the little things that entertain me so! However, I hope Mr. Bell can keep it up story wise. In my humble opinion, Six Feet Under jumped, slaughtered and ate the shark after the first season. I just stopped giving a rip about the characters and their pathetic lives. Oh, well.
I saw several episodes of True Blood and enjoyed it. The plot twists kept my interest and I always enjoy seeing Larry of Larry, Daryl and Daryl fame - it's the little things that entertain me so! However, I hope Mr. Bell can keep it up story wise. In my humble opinion, Six Feet Under jumped, slaughtered and ate the shark after the first season. I just stopped giving a rip about the characters and their pathetic lives. Oh, well.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 17:47:09
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 17:47:09
I'll agree on Mondo about Disney. Their stuff is designed for a wide audience at first, that's for certain. But after the initial story has been out, they have this tendency to dumb everything down and market it to death almost exclusively to kids, and that's what turns me off because that's how the quality and meaning of the art is killed.
Comment by BobR on 11/24/2008 17:47:10
I don't know if I could've said it better.
I would add that I grew tired of mass market animation (like the 30 minute toy commercials that Livin mentioned) and anime because the quality of the artwork sucked. I mean really sucked hard. You have a static poorly drawn character, and the mouth moves in some general relation to the dialog. It's awful.
I don't care how good the stories are - if the visuals are awful, then you've lost me.
BobR on 11/24/2008 17:47:10
Quote by Mondobubba:
Random, Disney and Warner Bros never treated animation as a child only medium. This is a very common misunderstanding. The Warner Brothers cartoons from the 30s, 40s and early 50s were never meant for a kid only audience. This is why you have Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd singing opera. Disney has from the git go trying to make stuff that appeals to all ages. There is some very serious stuff in the classic cannon o Disney. They have villains that are supremely creepy and scary. Snow White comes to mind. The thing with Disney is Walt went totally family friendly in the 50s, hence the Mickey Mouse Club. This where cartoons became linked with kids only. Disney to their detriment until Eisner took over the company, churned out a massive pile of cheaply animated crap that wasn't aimed at a mass audience, it was stuff parents saw as obligation to suffer threw with their kids. When Eisner, Katzenburg and Roy Disney decided to start making full length animated movies again, they hired quality like Menkin and Ashman to write the stories and music. The stuff works on the kid level and the adult level as well.
I don't know if I could've said it better.
I would add that I grew tired of mass market animation (like the 30 minute toy commercials that Livin mentioned) and anime because the quality of the artwork sucked. I mean really sucked hard. You have a static poorly drawn character, and the mouth moves in some general relation to the dialog. It's awful.
I don't care how good the stories are - if the visuals are awful, then you've lost me.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/24/2008 17:48:01
now I remeber - Moonlight. It was a complete rip off of Angel. Look for the Dollhouse if you like Joss Weldon, it should be on Fox soon I think.
I love the new Doctor - never got to see it before so it was all very new to me. Infact I have to do back and really catch up on the whole series.
Santuary, feh, not really sure about it yet. Just cant' get past Amada Tappings bad British accent. Never got into Dresdan, I tried, just didn't catch my attention. Personally, I'm way into Heroes right now.
For a while it was all wizards and witches, now it's vamps and monsters, next it'll be space and stuff like that - SciFi/Fantasy is just as cyclical as mainstream storytelling.
wickedpam on 11/24/2008 17:48:01
Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Oh there you go stereotyping. Haven't seen it yet passing judgment.
Don't wiggle out with a Random being random comment!
I full heartidly admit to stereotyping. But doesn't change the fact that vampire fiction is big now, or to be more precise that urban fantasy (mordern world fantasy) is very big, hence people buying up book properties to make T.V. shows of it. Dresden last year (or year before, can't remember, just pissed it was canceled) True Blood, Twillight, That vampire show last year that was canceled.
I personally blame the resurgance of Doctor Who for it.
Vamp fiction been popular for a long while now - think it appeals to teens in particular, I got into it with Anne Rice and Interview (which I think is better then Lestat) way back in HS.
what Vamp show are you talking about that got cancelled? I dont' remember one from last year. I mean personally I'm a total Buffy/Angel fan - one of my fave Angel epi is still the one where Angel gets turned into a puppet.
Anyway - what does this have to do with the Doctor?
My point was Vamp Fic/Modern Fantasy TV is currently really popular, i know books have had it for years. It was Moon something or other, it wsa dumped quick, it was on ABC, or CBS, or NBC.
To conclude this disturbing confused rant, I don't blame Buffy or Angel cause they came and went, and were basically the only fantasy-esque shows on T.V. Now, basically since Doctor Who came back Fantasy is big. (I know Who is a bit more Sci-Fi-ie, but it's still very modern day((you know what i mean)), so it counts). With Dresden, and this year true Blood, Twillight. That new Sci-Fi show, with the woman from SG-1.
It's what's big now.
now I remeber - Moonlight. It was a complete rip off of Angel. Look for the Dollhouse if you like Joss Weldon, it should be on Fox soon I think.
I love the new Doctor - never got to see it before so it was all very new to me. Infact I have to do back and really catch up on the whole series.
Santuary, feh, not really sure about it yet. Just cant' get past Amada Tappings bad British accent. Never got into Dresdan, I tried, just didn't catch my attention. Personally, I'm way into Heroes right now.
For a while it was all wizards and witches, now it's vamps and monsters, next it'll be space and stuff like that - SciFi/Fantasy is just as cyclical as mainstream storytelling.
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 17:54:15
I'm sorry, you're talking about what...Speed Racer? That was just ported over and had someone read the lines without any treatment to the animation to make it even look like it was done properly? Or do you treat anything that was dubbed as poor because the words don't match the lips?
Maybe you should look at current Anime, where it looks good, and when it's brought to the states they actually edit the mouths so it kind of looks like what they're saying.
Random on 11/24/2008 17:54:15
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Random, Disney and Warner Bros never treated animation as a child only medium. This is a very common misunderstanding. The Warner Brothers cartoons from the 30s, 40s and early 50s were never meant for a kid only audience. This is why you have Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd singing opera. Disney has from the git go trying to make stuff that appeals to all ages. There is some very serious stuff in the classic cannon o Disney. They have villains that are supremely creepy and scary. Snow White comes to mind. The thing with Disney is Walt went totally family friendly in the 50s, hence the Mickey Mouse Club. This where cartoons became linked with kids only. Disney to their detriment until Eisner took over the company, churned out a massive pile of cheaply animated crap that wasn't aimed at a mass audience, it was stuff parents saw as obligation to suffer threw with their kids. When Eisner, Katzenburg and Roy Disney decided to start making full length animated movies again, they hired quality like Menkin and Ashman to write the stories and music. The stuff works on the kid level and the adult level as well.
I don't know if I could've said it better.
I would add that I grew tired of mass market animation (like the 30 minute toy commercials that Livin mentioned) and anime because the quality of the artwork sucked. I mean really sucked hard. You have a static poorly drawn character, and the mouth moves in some general relation to the dialog. It's awful.
I don't care how good the stories are - if the visuals are awful, then you've lost me.
I'm sorry, you're talking about what...Speed Racer? That was just ported over and had someone read the lines without any treatment to the animation to make it even look like it was done properly? Or do you treat anything that was dubbed as poor because the words don't match the lips?
Maybe you should look at current Anime, where it looks good, and when it's brought to the states they actually edit the mouths so it kind of looks like what they're saying.
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 17:54:56
TriSec on 11/24/2008 17:54:56
Vampires, OTOH, are a genre I never got into.
Mrs. TriSec dragged me to that Anne Rice POS a few years back (she's a big fan), but I never saw the appeal.
Mrs. TriSec dragged me to that Anne Rice POS a few years back (she's a big fan), but I never saw the appeal.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 11/24/2008 17:55:26
IzzyBitz on 11/24/2008 17:55:26
Dr. Bombay, Dr. Bombay, come right away. The bus has driven into the cartoon ditch. Oh, nooooooooooooo...
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 17:56:35
Nate Fisher, most annoying asshole on TV, ever. Even after he died, he was annoying. Ironically Izzy that to me made the show so compelling, the cast o' characters were very day to day people who fucked up a lot. Just like regular folks. Granted some of it was hyper real.
Daryl aka BD Farman manager of the only hotel in Deadwood is one of the great unsung character actors in America. He (Larry Sanderson) was great in Blade Runner as well.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 17:56:35
Quote by IzzyBitz:
Eeep. Who passed out the contrary pills this morning?
I saw several episodes of True Blood and enjoyed it. The plot twists kept my interest and I always enjoy seeing Larry of Larry, Daryl and Daryl fame - it's the little things that entertain me so! However, I hope Mr. Bell can keep it up story wise. In my humble opinion, Six Feet Under jumped, slaughtered and ate the shark after the first season. I just stopped giving a rip about the characters and their pathetic lives. Oh, well.
Nate Fisher, most annoying asshole on TV, ever. Even after he died, he was annoying. Ironically Izzy that to me made the show so compelling, the cast o' characters were very day to day people who fucked up a lot. Just like regular folks. Granted some of it was hyper real.
Daryl aka BD Farman manager of the only hotel in Deadwood is one of the great unsung character actors in America. He (Larry Sanderson) was great in Blade Runner as well.
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 17:57:17
I'm currently pissed as Joss Whedon over Serenity.
I read the books Dresden was based off of, which was cool, and i liked the guy playing Dresden, that aside, it was a so-so show. But of course Sci-Fi cancelled it, because for some reason they prefer to make dime a dozen shitty sci-fi movies every weekend instead of making decent shows.
Oh, but i do love Eureka.
That aside, I love Heroes. even though season 2 sucked real bad.
>< Can't wait for tonight.
Random on 11/24/2008 17:57:17
Quote by wickedpam:
now I remeber - Moonlight. It was a complete rip off of Angel. Look for the Dollhouse if you like Joss Weldon, it should be on Fox soon I think.
I love the new Doctor - never got to see it before so it was all very new to me. Infact I have to do back and really catch up on the whole series.
Santuary, feh, not really sure about it yet. Just cant' get past Amada Tappings bad British accent. Never got into Dresdan, I tried, just didn't catch my attention. Personally, I'm way into Heroes right now.
For a while it was all wizards and witches, now it's vamps and monsters, next it'll be space and stuff like that - SciFi/Fantasy is just as cyclical as mainstream storytelling.
I'm currently pissed as Joss Whedon over Serenity.
I read the books Dresden was based off of, which was cool, and i liked the guy playing Dresden, that aside, it was a so-so show. But of course Sci-Fi cancelled it, because for some reason they prefer to make dime a dozen shitty sci-fi movies every weekend instead of making decent shows.
Oh, but i do love Eureka.
That aside, I love Heroes. even though season 2 sucked real bad.
>< Can't wait for tonight.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/24/2008 17:58:09
If you talking about the movie - then yes it, for lack of a better word, sucked. The movie was sunk by they lead weight is Tom Cruise, he is NOT Lestat.
wickedpam on 11/24/2008 17:58:09
Quote by TriSec:
Vampires, OTOH, are a genre I never got into.
Mrs. TriSec dragged me to that Anne Rice POS a few years back (she's a big fan), but I never saw the appeal.
If you talking about the movie - then yes it, for lack of a better word, sucked. The movie was sunk by they lead weight is Tom Cruise, he is NOT Lestat.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 17:59:38
Don't get me started on Anne Rice. She has much to answer for. I thought Interview blew many goats one right after the other. I'm not sure what was worse the turgid prose that never advanced the narrative or Louis whining. You're a vampire, deal with it. Jesus.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 17:59:38
Quote by TriSec:
Vampires, OTOH, are a genre I never got into.
Mrs. TriSec dragged me to that Anne Rice POS a few years back (she's a big fan), but I never saw the appeal.
Don't get me started on Anne Rice. She has much to answer for. I thought Interview blew many goats one right after the other. I'm not sure what was worse the turgid prose that never advanced the narrative or Louis whining. You're a vampire, deal with it. Jesus.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/24/2008 18:02:45
Love Eureka too! Can't wait for it to come back.
Heroes S2 - yeah it was bad. THey didn't get to do what they planned thanks to the writer's strike to it ended really aburptly. Tonight it gonna rock! I've seen some of the spoilers - Pete and Nathan rumble in jungle . Arthur is evil, Angela rocks!
It was Fox that cancelled Firefly, I liked that show. I like Serenity too. Wish he would do a sequel to get past the story that's been told twice now.
wickedpam on 11/24/2008 18:02:45
Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
now I remeber - Moonlight. It was a complete rip off of Angel. Look for the Dollhouse if you like Joss Weldon, it should be on Fox soon I think.
I love the new Doctor - never got to see it before so it was all very new to me. Infact I have to do back and really catch up on the whole series.
Santuary, feh, not really sure about it yet. Just cant' get past Amada Tappings bad British accent. Never got into Dresdan, I tried, just didn't catch my attention. Personally, I'm way into Heroes right now.
For a while it was all wizards and witches, now it's vamps and monsters, next it'll be space and stuff like that - SciFi/Fantasy is just as cyclical as mainstream storytelling.
I'm currently pissed as Joss Whedon over Serenity.
I read the books Dresden was based off of, which was cool, and i liked the guy playing Dresden, that aside, it was a so-so show. But of course Sci-Fi cancelled it, because for some reason they prefer to make dime a dozen shitty sci-fi movies every weekend instead of making decent shows.
Oh, but i do love Eureka.
That aside, I love Heroes. even though season 2 sucked real bad.
>< Can't wait for tonight.
Love Eureka too! Can't wait for it to come back.
Heroes S2 - yeah it was bad. THey didn't get to do what they planned thanks to the writer's strike to it ended really aburptly. Tonight it gonna rock! I've seen some of the spoilers - Pete and Nathan rumble in jungle
. Arthur is evil, Angela rocks!It was Fox that cancelled Firefly, I liked that show. I like Serenity too. Wish he would do a sequel to get past the story that's been told twice now.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/24/2008 18:04:28
Don't mess with my Louis.
He wasn't whining, he's moody, dammit, moody. You got that.
;)
wickedpam on 11/24/2008 18:04:28
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
Vampires, OTOH, are a genre I never got into.
Mrs. TriSec dragged me to that Anne Rice POS a few years back (she's a big fan), but I never saw the appeal.
Don't get me started on Anne Rice. She has much to answer for. I thought Interview blew many goats one right after the other. I'm not sure what was worse the turgid prose that never advanced the narrative or Louis whining. You're a vampire, deal with it. Jesus.
Don't mess with my Louis.
He wasn't whining, he's moody, dammit, moody. You got that.
;)
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 18:05:48
TriSec on 11/24/2008 18:05:48
There's a lot of Looney Tunes out on the intertubes....some of it uncensored, with period and even racial references left in.
There's one out on Fancast right now called "Old Glory"...Porky Pig is trying to memorize the Pledge and falls asleep and has a visit from Uncle Sam.
Clearly WWII propaganda....but it was a joy to behold. (even featured the pre-"under god" pledge...)
There's one out on Fancast right now called "Old Glory"...Porky Pig is trying to memorize the Pledge and falls asleep and has a visit from Uncle Sam.
Clearly WWII propaganda....but it was a joy to behold. (even featured the pre-"under god" pledge...)
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 18:06:52
TriSec on 11/24/2008 18:06:52
So, uh, how about them Mythbusters?
yeah, umm....
Meh. <-- New word!
:kickcan:
yeah, umm....
Meh. <-- New word!
:kickcan:
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 18:07:23
Ah the Scfi Channel Problem. Their execs seem hell bent on killing every decent show on the network, yet have no problem green lighting those shitty movies.
I remember having a debate back in the early nineties about science fiction on TV. My position was I'd rather have no SF on TV than bad SF on TV. This was sparked by the awful (sorry Tri, I know you liked it) Alien Nation being on network TV, well Fox. The counter argument was it is good to have even bad science fiction on TV cause it will give it a wider audience. Worst.Argument.Ever! Bad SF gives the whole genre a worse name than it already has.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 18:07:23
Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
now I remeber - Moonlight. It was a complete rip off of Angel. Look for the Dollhouse if you like Joss Weldon, it should be on Fox soon I think.
I love the new Doctor - never got to see it before so it was all very new to me. Infact I have to do back and really catch up on the whole series.
Santuary, feh, not really sure about it yet. Just cant' get past Amada Tappings bad British accent. Never got into Dresdan, I tried, just didn't catch my attention. Personally, I'm way into Heroes right now.
For a while it was all wizards and witches, now it's vamps and monsters, next it'll be space and stuff like that - SciFi/Fantasy is just as cyclical as mainstream storytelling.
I'm currently pissed as Joss Whedon over Serenity.
I read the books Dresden was based off of, which was cool, and i liked the guy playing Dresden, that aside, it was a so-so show. But of course Sci-Fi cancelled it, because for some reason they prefer to make dime a dozen shitty sci-fi movies every weekend instead of making decent shows.
Oh, but i do love Eureka.
That aside, I love Heroes. even though season 2 sucked real bad.
>< Can't wait for tonight.
Ah the Scfi Channel Problem. Their execs seem hell bent on killing every decent show on the network, yet have no problem green lighting those shitty movies.
I remember having a debate back in the early nineties about science fiction on TV. My position was I'd rather have no SF on TV than bad SF on TV. This was sparked by the awful (sorry Tri, I know you liked it) Alien Nation being on network TV, well Fox. The counter argument was it is good to have even bad science fiction on TV cause it will give it a wider audience. Worst.Argument.Ever! Bad SF gives the whole genre a worse name than it already has.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 18:08:51
What he was PMSing for hundreds of pages? :rofl:
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 18:08:51
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
Vampires, OTOH, are a genre I never got into.
Mrs. TriSec dragged me to that Anne Rice POS a few years back (she's a big fan), but I never saw the appeal.
Don't get me started on Anne Rice. She has much to answer for. I thought Interview blew many goats one right after the other. I'm not sure what was worse the turgid prose that never advanced the narrative or Louis whining. You're a vampire, deal with it. Jesus.
Don't mess with my Louis.
He wasn't whining, he's moody, dammit, moody. You got that.
;)
What he was PMSing for hundreds of pages? :rofl:
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 18:09:32
I don't blame Joss of Firefly being cancelled, i blame him for killing Book and Wash.
I was pissed when they killed Nathan...I only hope they find some technobable way to bring him back. Random Loves Ed Quinn.
Heroes S2 sucked on many levels. (Mohinder, Claire, Peter, Hiro, Maya, Adam) But Season three has been fun, i hope they expose more about the Eclipse. And don't fuck with me marketing people, anyone paying attention knows they got their powers before the eclipse, so don't be saying it started it all. Claire's still pissing me off a little, but Sylar is bad ass, and Hiro is back to being funny again. (I love 10 year old Hiro)
Random on 11/24/2008 18:09:32
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
now I remeber - Moonlight. It was a complete rip off of Angel. Look for the Dollhouse if you like Joss Weldon, it should be on Fox soon I think.
I love the new Doctor - never got to see it before so it was all very new to me. Infact I have to do back and really catch up on the whole series.
Santuary, feh, not really sure about it yet. Just cant' get past Amada Tappings bad British accent. Never got into Dresdan, I tried, just didn't catch my attention. Personally, I'm way into Heroes right now.
For a while it was all wizards and witches, now it's vamps and monsters, next it'll be space and stuff like that - SciFi/Fantasy is just as cyclical as mainstream storytelling.
I'm currently pissed as Joss Whedon over Serenity.
I read the books Dresden was based off of, which was cool, and i liked the guy playing Dresden, that aside, it was a so-so show. But of course Sci-Fi cancelled it, because for some reason they prefer to make dime a dozen shitty sci-fi movies every weekend instead of making decent shows.
Oh, but i do love Eureka.
That aside, I love Heroes. even though season 2 sucked real bad.
>< Can't wait for tonight.
Love Eureka too! Can't wait for it to come back.
Heroes S2 - yeah it was bad. THey didn't get to do what they planned thanks to the writer's strike to it ended really aburptly. Tonight it gonna rock! I've seen some of the spoilers - Pete and Nathan rumble in jungle
It was Fox that cancelled Firefly, I liked that show. I like Serenity too. Wish he would do a sequel to get past the story that's been told twice now.
I don't blame Joss of Firefly being cancelled, i blame him for killing Book and Wash.
I was pissed when they killed Nathan...I only hope they find some technobable way to bring him back. Random Loves Ed Quinn.
Heroes S2 sucked on many levels. (Mohinder, Claire, Peter, Hiro, Maya, Adam) But Season three has been fun, i hope they expose more about the Eclipse. And don't fuck with me marketing people, anyone paying attention knows they got their powers before the eclipse, so don't be saying it started it all. Claire's still pissing me off a little, but Sylar is bad ass, and Hiro is back to being funny again. (I love 10 year old Hiro)
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 18:10:45
Missed em last week because of class. You all know about my pervy crush on Kari! :sigh: : porn music: :Squeezy:
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 18:10:45
Quote by TriSec:
So, uh, how about them Mythbusters?
yeah, umm....
Meh. <-- New word!
:kickcan:
Missed em last week because of class.
You all know about my pervy crush on Kari! :sigh: : porn music: :Squeezy:
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 18:13:52
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 18:13:52
BTW Raine, Under the Banner of Heaven is creeping me out.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 18:15:31
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 18:15:31
Changing topics briefly. Hey Netflix! Heads out of your asses! There are significant number of people in the world what don't use IE, yet would like to take advantage of the movies online thing. :modbat:
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 18:15:36
Seriously. The networked dropped MST3K even though the bloody thing was still a hit. (I always did prefer Mike to Joel, i dunno why). And just about every other show that didn't become an instant success they dropped. Notice their big show/shows are Psuedo Reality (Ghost Hunters, that Stan-lee B.S.) Shows stolen off other networks. (Stargate, Wrestling). Mini-series debut (Battlestar Gallatica). Or spin offs. I think Eureka is the only original programming they got.
On a side note, Battlestar Gallatica is about the only Remake that is leaps and bounds better than the original...creepy ain't it.
Random on 11/24/2008 18:15:36
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
now I remeber - Moonlight. It was a complete rip off of Angel. Look for the Dollhouse if you like Joss Weldon, it should be on Fox soon I think.
I love the new Doctor - never got to see it before so it was all very new to me. Infact I have to do back and really catch up on the whole series.
Santuary, feh, not really sure about it yet. Just cant' get past Amada Tappings bad British accent. Never got into Dresdan, I tried, just didn't catch my attention. Personally, I'm way into Heroes right now.
For a while it was all wizards and witches, now it's vamps and monsters, next it'll be space and stuff like that - SciFi/Fantasy is just as cyclical as mainstream storytelling.
I'm currently pissed as Joss Whedon over Serenity.
I read the books Dresden was based off of, which was cool, and i liked the guy playing Dresden, that aside, it was a so-so show. But of course Sci-Fi cancelled it, because for some reason they prefer to make dime a dozen shitty sci-fi movies every weekend instead of making decent shows.
Oh, but i do love Eureka.
That aside, I love Heroes. even though season 2 sucked real bad.
>< Can't wait for tonight.
Ah the Scfi Channel Problem. Their execs seem hell bent on killing every decent show on the network, yet have no problem green lighting those shitty movies.
I remember having a debate back in the early nineties about science fiction on TV. My position was I'd rather have no SF on TV than bad SF on TV. This was sparked by the awful (sorry Tri, I know you liked it) Alien Nation being on network TV, well Fox. The counter argument was it is good to have even bad science fiction on TV cause it will give it a wider audience. Worst.Argument.Ever! Bad SF gives the whole genre a worse name than it already has.
Seriously. The networked dropped MST3K even though the bloody thing was still a hit. (I always did prefer Mike to Joel, i dunno why). And just about every other show that didn't become an instant success they dropped. Notice their big show/shows are Psuedo Reality (Ghost Hunters, that Stan-lee B.S.) Shows stolen off other networks. (Stargate, Wrestling). Mini-series debut (Battlestar Gallatica). Or spin offs. I think Eureka is the only original programming they got.
On a side note, Battlestar Gallatica is about the only Remake that is leaps and bounds better than the original...creepy ain't it.
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 18:16:43
Random on 11/24/2008 18:16:43
On the topic of Firefly...
Any want to basically vote out Steven Baldwin and replace him with Adam as an Official Baldwin?
Any want to basically vote out Steven Baldwin and replace him with Adam as an Official Baldwin?
Comment by BobR on 11/24/2008 18:17:24
Speed Racer? pffft. I've never seen ANY anime that I thought came anywhere close to being watchable. If you want to point me to some online, I would be more than happy to give it a look, but from all that I've seen so far, I have not been impressed.
BobR on 11/24/2008 18:17:24
Quote by Random:
I'm sorry, you're talking about what...Speed Racer? That was just ported over and had someone read the lines without any treatment to the animation to make it even look like it was done properly? Or do you treat anything that was dubbed as poor because the words don't match the lips?
Maybe you should look at current Anime, where it looks good, and when it's brought to the states they actually edit the mouths so it kind of looks like what they're saying.
Speed Racer? pffft. I've never seen ANY anime that I thought came anywhere close to being watchable. If you want to point me to some online, I would be more than happy to give it a look, but from all that I've seen so far, I have not been impressed.
Comment by BobR on 11/24/2008 18:19:47
It's pretty scary because it's true.
BobR on 11/24/2008 18:19:47
Quote by Mondobubba:
BTW Raine, Under the Banner of Heaven is creeping me out.
It's pretty scary because it's true.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 18:22:13
I for one am eagerly awaiting the return of BSG. Did you know there is a under current of Mormon theology in both the original and the re imaging? Don't believe me, check it out.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 18:22:13
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
now I remeber - Moonlight. It was a complete rip off of Angel. Look for the Dollhouse if you like Joss Weldon, it should be on Fox soon I think.
I love the new Doctor - never got to see it before so it was all very new to me. Infact I have to do back and really catch up on the whole series.
Santuary, feh, not really sure about it yet. Just cant' get past Amada Tappings bad British accent. Never got into Dresdan, I tried, just didn't catch my attention. Personally, I'm way into Heroes right now.
For a while it was all wizards and witches, now it's vamps and monsters, next it'll be space and stuff like that - SciFi/Fantasy is just as cyclical as mainstream storytelling.
I'm currently pissed as Joss Whedon over Serenity.
I read the books Dresden was based off of, which was cool, and i liked the guy playing Dresden, that aside, it was a so-so show. But of course Sci-Fi cancelled it, because for some reason they prefer to make dime a dozen shitty sci-fi movies every weekend instead of making decent shows.
Oh, but i do love Eureka.
That aside, I love Heroes. even though season 2 sucked real bad.
>< Can't wait for tonight.
Ah the Scfi Channel Problem. Their execs seem hell bent on killing every decent show on the network, yet have no problem green lighting those shitty movies.
I remember having a debate back in the early nineties about science fiction on TV. My position was I'd rather have no SF on TV than bad SF on TV. This was sparked by the awful (sorry Tri, I know you liked it) Alien Nation being on network TV, well Fox. The counter argument was it is good to have even bad science fiction on TV cause it will give it a wider audience. Worst.Argument.Ever! Bad SF gives the whole genre a worse name than it already has.
Seriously. The networked dropped MST3K even though the bloody thing was still a hit. (I always did prefer Mike to Joel, i dunno why). And just about every other show that didn't become an instant success they dropped. Notice their big show/shows are Psuedo Reality (Ghost Hunters, that Stan-lee B.S.) Shows stolen off other networks. (Stargate, Wrestling). Mini-series debut (Battlestar Gallatica). Or spin offs. I think Eureka is the only original programming they got.
On a side note, Battlestar Gallatica is about the only Remake that is leaps and bounds better than the original...creepy ain't it.
I for one am eagerly awaiting the return of BSG. Did you know there is a under current of Mormon theology in both the original and the re imaging? Don't believe me, check it out.
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 18:23:05
What have you seen?
My personal favorites happen to be Rurouni Kenshin and Case Closed, but i have no idea where you'd find them online. (The first being a pseudo-Historical story, the second a basic Murder Mystery kind of thing)
Also, Note that Localization also kills a lot of Anime (All those that are marketed towards kids, Pokemon, Sailor Moon, Dragon-ball) Actually seen in their pure form, they are good. I would suggest watching anime in it's original language, with subtittles.
Random on 11/24/2008 18:23:05
Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
I'm sorry, you're talking about what...Speed Racer? That was just ported over and had someone read the lines without any treatment to the animation to make it even look like it was done properly? Or do you treat anything that was dubbed as poor because the words don't match the lips?
Maybe you should look at current Anime, where it looks good, and when it's brought to the states they actually edit the mouths so it kind of looks like what they're saying.
Speed Racer? pffft. I've never seen ANY anime that I thought came anywhere close to being watchable. If you want to point me to some online, I would be more than happy to give it a look, but from all that I've seen so far, I have not been impressed.
What have you seen?
My personal favorites happen to be Rurouni Kenshin and Case Closed, but i have no idea where you'd find them online. (The first being a pseudo-Historical story, the second a basic Murder Mystery kind of thing)
Also, Note that Localization also kills a lot of Anime (All those that are marketed towards kids, Pokemon, Sailor Moon, Dragon-ball) Actually seen in their pure form, they are good. I would suggest watching anime in it's original language, with subtittles.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 11/24/2008 18:23:32
IzzyBitz on 11/24/2008 18:23:32
I agree, Mondo. Larry and Daryl are great character actors. I wonder what became of the other Daryl.
I think my problem with Six Feet Under is the out of control narcissism. It's interesting for a while, but then I'm just annoyed with the story. The same thing with Californication. David gives me the skeeves in real and imagined life, although I think they are one and the same where he is concerned. :summons Regis: HE'S OUT OF CONTROL!
I think my problem with Six Feet Under is the out of control narcissism. It's interesting for a while, but then I'm just annoyed with the story. The same thing with Californication. David gives me the skeeves in real and imagined life, although I think they are one and the same where he is concerned. :summons Regis: HE'S OUT OF CONTROL!
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 18:28:52
Nor do i care about Mormon theology in it.
On that note, i will almost always take the position that anything like that is unintentional. Doesn't matter what it is, if i don't believe an author, whether it's T.V., Movie, or Book, is every that profound or a deep thinker.
Random on 11/24/2008 18:28:52
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
now I remeber - Moonlight. It was a complete rip off of Angel. Look for the Dollhouse if you like Joss Weldon, it should be on Fox soon I think.
I love the new Doctor - never got to see it before so it was all very new to me. Infact I have to do back and really catch up on the whole series.
Santuary, feh, not really sure about it yet. Just cant' get past Amada Tappings bad British accent. Never got into Dresdan, I tried, just didn't catch my attention. Personally, I'm way into Heroes right now.
For a while it was all wizards and witches, now it's vamps and monsters, next it'll be space and stuff like that - SciFi/Fantasy is just as cyclical as mainstream storytelling.
I'm currently pissed as Joss Whedon over Serenity.
I read the books Dresden was based off of, which was cool, and i liked the guy playing Dresden, that aside, it was a so-so show. But of course Sci-Fi cancelled it, because for some reason they prefer to make dime a dozen shitty sci-fi movies every weekend instead of making decent shows.
Oh, but i do love Eureka.
That aside, I love Heroes. even though season 2 sucked real bad.
>< Can't wait for tonight.
Ah the Scfi Channel Problem. Their execs seem hell bent on killing every decent show on the network, yet have no problem green lighting those shitty movies.
I remember having a debate back in the early nineties about science fiction on TV. My position was I'd rather have no SF on TV than bad SF on TV. This was sparked by the awful (sorry Tri, I know you liked it) Alien Nation being on network TV, well Fox. The counter argument was it is good to have even bad science fiction on TV cause it will give it a wider audience. Worst.Argument.Ever! Bad SF gives the whole genre a worse name than it already has.
Seriously. The networked dropped MST3K even though the bloody thing was still a hit. (I always did prefer Mike to Joel, i dunno why). And just about every other show that didn't become an instant success they dropped. Notice their big show/shows are Psuedo Reality (Ghost Hunters, that Stan-lee B.S.) Shows stolen off other networks. (Stargate, Wrestling). Mini-series debut (Battlestar Gallatica). Or spin offs. I think Eureka is the only original programming they got.
On a side note, Battlestar Gallatica is about the only Remake that is leaps and bounds better than the original...creepy ain't it.
I for one am eagerly awaiting the return of BSG. Did you know there is a under current of Mormon theology in both the original and the re imaging? Don't believe me, check it out.
Nor do i care about Mormon theology in it.
On that note, i will almost always take the position that anything like that is unintentional. Doesn't matter what it is, if i don't believe an author, whether it's T.V., Movie, or Book, is every that profound or a deep thinker.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 18:29:08
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 18:29:08
Hmm someone just posed an interesting vampire question on another board..
:D :lol:
It dawned on me when Bill showed up last night at Sookie's doorstep. How does a vampire man have sex? No heartbeat means no blood flowing and that means no erections. I asked my friend. She said she should have known it was going to be a wildly inappropriate question.
:D :lol:
Comment by livingonli on 11/24/2008 18:30:20
livingonli on 11/24/2008 18:30:20
And here are some real examples of bad animation. The Marvel Super Heroes cartoons from the 60's which adapted the original comic book stories but basically lifted the artwork with minimal animation. Here are some examples:
Comment by livingonli on 11/24/2008 18:33:20
Then Pokemon came along and made Speed Racer look like a classic.
livingonli on 11/24/2008 18:33:20
Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
I'm sorry, you're talking about what...Speed Racer? That was just ported over and had someone read the lines without any treatment to the animation to make it even look like it was done properly? Or do you treat anything that was dubbed as poor because the words don't match the lips?
Maybe you should look at current Anime, where it looks good, and when it's brought to the states they actually edit the mouths so it kind of looks like what they're saying.
Speed Racer? pffft. I've never seen ANY anime that I thought came anywhere close to being watchable. If you want to point me to some online, I would be more than happy to give it a look, but from all that I've seen so far, I have not been impressed.
Then Pokemon came along and made Speed Racer look like a classic.
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 18:35:00
To point out, Pokemon's problem was localization, and people in the states thinking Cartoons are a kids only thing. Pokemon is highly edited. It's deeper (and more disturbing) in it's original form. Same with all those other 4Kids Anime B.S. you see on Saturday mornings.
Random on 11/24/2008 18:35:00
Quote by livingonli:Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
I'm sorry, you're talking about what...Speed Racer? That was just ported over and had someone read the lines without any treatment to the animation to make it even look like it was done properly? Or do you treat anything that was dubbed as poor because the words don't match the lips?
Maybe you should look at current Anime, where it looks good, and when it's brought to the states they actually edit the mouths so it kind of looks like what they're saying.
Speed Racer? pffft. I've never seen ANY anime that I thought came anywhere close to being watchable. If you want to point me to some online, I would be more than happy to give it a look, but from all that I've seen so far, I have not been impressed.
Then Pokemon came along and made Speed Racer look like a classic.
To point out, Pokemon's problem was localization, and people in the states thinking Cartoons are a kids only thing. Pokemon is highly edited. It's deeper (and more disturbing) in it's original form. Same with all those other 4Kids Anime B.S. you see on Saturday mornings.
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 18:39:30
TriSec on 11/24/2008 18:39:30
Pokemon is bunk.
It's completely unwatchable crap. I haven't been able to figure out what's going on there. (I should ask Javi; he loves this junk.)
But veering away slightly, highest of all on my "unwatchability" scale has to be the Power Rangers. Utterly insipid...and those big, beefy, "megazord" suits they wear when destroying a miniature Tokyo don't even look as good as the classic Godzilla stuff..
It's completely unwatchable crap. I haven't been able to figure out what's going on there. (I should ask Javi; he loves this junk.)
But veering away slightly, highest of all on my "unwatchability" scale has to be the Power Rangers. Utterly insipid...and those big, beefy, "megazord" suits they wear when destroying a miniature Tokyo don't even look as good as the classic Godzilla stuff..
Comment by wickedpam on 11/24/2008 18:41:19
ppppffffttt
wickedpam on 11/24/2008 18:41:19
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
Vampires, OTOH, are a genre I never got into.
Mrs. TriSec dragged me to that Anne Rice POS a few years back (she's a big fan), but I never saw the appeal.
Don't get me started on Anne Rice. She has much to answer for. I thought Interview blew many goats one right after the other. I'm not sure what was worse the turgid prose that never advanced the narrative or Louis whining. You're a vampire, deal with it. Jesus.
Don't mess with my Louis.
He wasn't whining, he's moody, dammit, moody. You got that.
;)
What he was PMSing for hundreds of pages? :rofl:
ppppffffttt
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 18:43:39
Hmm if you're into Rurouni Kenshin you'll probably like Samurai Champloo..
And ca-ching! http://www.animeviewer.net/ - not the greatest way to watch, that'd be just downloading stuff from a distro on IRC or someplace..
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 18:43:39
Quote by Random:
What have you seen?
My personal favorites happen to be Rurouni Kenshin and Case Closed, but i have no idea where you'd find them online. (The first being a pseudo-Historical story, the second a basic Murder Mystery kind of thing)
Also, Note that Localization also kills a lot of Anime (All those that are marketed towards kids, Pokemon, Sailor Moon, Dragon-ball) Actually seen in their pure form, they are good. I would suggest watching anime in it's original language, with subtittles.
Hmm if you're into Rurouni Kenshin you'll probably like Samurai Champloo..
And ca-ching! http://www.animeviewer.net/ - not the greatest way to watch, that'd be just downloading stuff from a distro on IRC or someplace..
Comment by livingonli on 11/24/2008 18:48:00
And why is it on Toon Disney when it's not even a Disney series? Then again, Toon Disney has been running a lot of non-Disney related cartoons lately including the Bruce Timm Batman and Superman cartoons and the 90's Marvel Cartoon series (Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Incredible Hulk and the Avengers).
livingonli on 11/24/2008 18:48:00
Quote by TriSec:
Pokemon is bunk.
It's completely unwatchable crap. I haven't been able to figure out what's going on there. (I should ask Javi; he loves this junk.)
But veering away slightly, highest of all on my "unwatchability" scale has to be the Power Rangers. Utterly insipid...and those big, beefy, "megazord" suits they wear when destroying a miniature Tokyo don't even look as good as the classic Godzilla stuff..
And why is it on Toon Disney when it's not even a Disney series? Then again, Toon Disney has been running a lot of non-Disney related cartoons lately including the Bruce Timm Batman and Superman cartoons and the 90's Marvel Cartoon series (Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Incredible Hulk and the Avengers).
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 18:49:14
Hm...I dunno, what really made me Love Rurouni Kenshin really wasn't setting, it was Kenshin, who is really my ideal hero (basically the kind of character who i base all my hero characters on *coughrenoldcough*) That and Sano is great.
That side note, i always thought about getting Samurai 7.
Random on 11/24/2008 18:49:14
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Random:
What have you seen?
My personal favorites happen to be Rurouni Kenshin and Case Closed, but i have no idea where you'd find them online. (The first being a pseudo-Historical story, the second a basic Murder Mystery kind of thing)
Also, Note that Localization also kills a lot of Anime (All those that are marketed towards kids, Pokemon, Sailor Moon, Dragon-ball) Actually seen in their pure form, they are good. I would suggest watching anime in it's original language, with subtittles.
Hmm if you're into Rurouni Kenshin you'll probably like Samurai Champloo..
And ca-ching! http://www.animeviewer.net/ - not the greatest way to watch, that'd be just downloading stuff from a distro on IRC or someplace..
Hm...I dunno, what really made me Love Rurouni Kenshin really wasn't setting, it was Kenshin, who is really my ideal hero (basically the kind of character who i base all my hero characters on *coughrenoldcough*) That and Sano is great.
That side note, i always thought about getting Samurai 7.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 18:51:48
Methinks moody Louis and our gentleman Bill Compton would get along famously..
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 18:51:48
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
Vampires, OTOH, are a genre I never got into.
Mrs. TriSec dragged me to that Anne Rice POS a few years back (she's a big fan), but I never saw the appeal.
Don't get me started on Anne Rice. She has much to answer for. I thought Interview blew many goats one right after the other. I'm not sure what was worse the turgid prose that never advanced the narrative or Louis whining. You're a vampire, deal with it. Jesus.
Don't mess with my Louis.
He wasn't whining, he's moody, dammit, moody. You got that.
;)
Methinks moody Louis and our gentleman Bill Compton would get along famously..
Comment by wickedpam on 11/24/2008 18:55:21
never seen toon disney - didn't they buy a large animation house or something?
wickedpam on 11/24/2008 18:55:21
Quote by livingonli:Quote by TriSec:
Pokemon is bunk.
It's completely unwatchable crap. I haven't been able to figure out what's going on there. (I should ask Javi; he loves this junk.)
But veering away slightly, highest of all on my "unwatchability" scale has to be the Power Rangers. Utterly insipid...and those big, beefy, "megazord" suits they wear when destroying a miniature Tokyo don't even look as good as the classic Godzilla stuff..
And why is it on Toon Disney when it's not even a Disney series? Then again, Toon Disney has been running a lot of non-Disney related cartoons lately including the Bruce Timm Batman and Superman cartoons and the 90's Marvel Cartoon series (Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Incredible Hulk and the Avengers).
never seen toon disney - didn't they buy a large animation house or something?
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 19:01:44
Did they?
Then why the hell do they run shitting cartoons about shitty cartoons. I'm talking to you House of Mouse.
Random on 11/24/2008 19:01:44
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:Quote by TriSec:
Pokemon is bunk.
It's completely unwatchable crap. I haven't been able to figure out what's going on there. (I should ask Javi; he loves this junk.)
But veering away slightly, highest of all on my "unwatchability" scale has to be the Power Rangers. Utterly insipid...and those big, beefy, "megazord" suits they wear when destroying a miniature Tokyo don't even look as good as the classic Godzilla stuff..
And why is it on Toon Disney when it's not even a Disney series? Then again, Toon Disney has been running a lot of non-Disney related cartoons lately including the Bruce Timm Batman and Superman cartoons and the 90's Marvel Cartoon series (Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Incredible Hulk and the Avengers).
never seen toon disney - didn't they buy a large animation house or something?
Did they?
Then why the hell do they run shitting cartoons about shitty cartoons. I'm talking to you House of Mouse.
Comment by livingonli on 11/24/2008 19:30:35
Toon Disney was originally intended as a showcase for the Disney library of cartoons excluding those "classics" that Disney keeps in the vault except for the periodic video release every few years. Disney did purchase the Saban library and acquired the rights to nearly all the pre-2000 animated series featuring Marvel Comic characters excluding the 60's Fantastic Four cartoon which is still owned by Hanna-Babera. But the Superman and Batman series are still owned by Warner Brothers but I guess there is no room on the Cartoon Network or Boomerang schedules for them.
livingonli on 11/24/2008 19:30:35
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:Quote by TriSec:
Pokemon is bunk.
It's completely unwatchable crap. I haven't been able to figure out what's going on there. (I should ask Javi; he loves this junk.)
But veering away slightly, highest of all on my "unwatchability" scale has to be the Power Rangers. Utterly insipid...and those big, beefy, "megazord" suits they wear when destroying a miniature Tokyo don't even look as good as the classic Godzilla stuff..
And why is it on Toon Disney when it's not even a Disney series? Then again, Toon Disney has been running a lot of non-Disney related cartoons lately including the Bruce Timm Batman and Superman cartoons and the 90's Marvel Cartoon series (Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Incredible Hulk and the Avengers).
never seen toon disney - didn't they buy a large animation house or something?
Toon Disney was originally intended as a showcase for the Disney library of cartoons excluding those "classics" that Disney keeps in the vault except for the periodic video release every few years. Disney did purchase the Saban library and acquired the rights to nearly all the pre-2000 animated series featuring Marvel Comic characters excluding the 60's Fantastic Four cartoon which is still owned by Hanna-Babera. But the Superman and Batman series are still owned by Warner Brothers but I guess there is no room on the Cartoon Network or Boomerang schedules for them.
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 19:34:38
Raine on 11/24/2008 19:34:38
Scoop... done and done.
Comment by BobR on 11/24/2008 19:37:39
okay... so point me to something on that site that shows me just how good anime can be.
BobR on 11/24/2008 19:37:39
Quote by Scoopster:
Hmm if you're into Rurouni Kenshin you'll probably like Samurai Champloo..
And ca-ching! http://www.animeviewer.net/ - not the greatest way to watch, that'd be just downloading stuff from a distro on IRC or someplace..
okay... so point me to something on that site that shows me just how good anime can be.
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 19:39:48
Raine on 11/24/2008 19:39:48
After 12 years, a battered Spouse finally musters the courage to leave.
No, NOT from the onion, and yes this is ferrealz!
No, NOT from the onion, and yes this is ferrealz!
Comment by livingonli on 11/24/2008 19:43:24
livingonli on 11/24/2008 19:43:24
More cheese from the Marvel Super Heroes vault.
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 19:45:20
TriSec on 11/24/2008 19:45:20
Ya know, when we were in Disney in 2007, the TV spent the entire trip on the "in-house" channel...the one that showed all the classic Disney shorts.
I wish more of that was on the Cable Disney channel. Where's Goofy when you need him?
I wish more of that was on the Cable Disney channel. Where's Goofy when you need him?
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 19:50:16
Visions of Escaflowne
TriSec on 11/24/2008 19:50:16
Quote by BobR:
okay... so point me to something on that site that shows me just how good anime can be.
Visions of Escaflowne
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 19:55:52
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 19:55:52
Ya know, I've never actually seen Escaflowne..
There's a lotta anime stuff I haven't seen actually. And some stuff I could do without having ever seen too.
BTW Bob I'm gonna recommend Cowboy Bebop as a starting point. EXCELLENT series. Fairly easy to understand and get into the story.. And the theme song kicks ass.
There's a lotta anime stuff I haven't seen actually. And some stuff I could do without having ever seen too.
BTW Bob I'm gonna recommend Cowboy Bebop as a starting point. EXCELLENT series. Fairly easy to understand and get into the story.. And the theme song kicks ass.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 11/24/2008 19:56:04
IzzyBitz on 11/24/2008 19:56:04
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 19:57:03
Raine on 11/24/2008 19:57:03
Tri have you been keeping "BerkShares" a secret From us?
It's a secret no more. MSNBC just did a whole segement about them. Facsinating.
It's a secret no more. MSNBC just did a whole segement about them. Facsinating.
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 19:57:39
If you want weird...Watch Ghost in the Shell.
Random on 11/24/2008 19:57:39
Quote by Scoopster:
Ya know, I've never actually seen Escaflowne..
There's a lotta anime stuff I haven't seen actually. And some stuff I could do without having ever seen too.
BTW Bob I'm gonna recommend Cowboy Bebop as a starting point. EXCELLENT series. Fairly easy to understand and get into the story.. And the theme song kicks ass.
If you want weird...Watch Ghost in the Shell.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 19:59:39
:banana: Good on you Alan! :banana:
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 19:59:39
Quote by Raine:
After 12 years, a battered Spouse finally musters the courage to leave.
No, NOT from the onion, and yes this is ferrealz!
:banana: Good on you Alan! :banana:
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 20:01:09
Seen the original movie and scattered episodes of the series.. GITS kinda makes me think of something out of a Gibson novel, ya know?
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 20:01:09
Quote by Random:Quote by Scoopster:
Ya know, I've never actually seen Escaflowne..
There's a lotta anime stuff I haven't seen actually. And some stuff I could do without having ever seen too.
BTW Bob I'm gonna recommend Cowboy Bebop as a starting point. EXCELLENT series. Fairly easy to understand and get into the story.. And the theme song kicks ass.
If you want weird...Watch Ghost in the Shell.
Seen the original movie and scattered episodes of the series.. GITS kinda makes me think of something out of a Gibson novel, ya know?
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 20:01:45
Why, no. First I've heard of such a thing.
Don't forget, I'm here in Metro Boston....the Berkshires may as well be in another country as far as us "easterners" are concerned. Although this is what us Hub types mean when we say "way out west."
I'm surprised Rachel hasn't mentioned this....and you were closer to the Berkshires than I am when you were in the Hudson Valley there.
And isn't private currency illegal in these United States?
TriSec on 11/24/2008 20:01:45
Quote by Raine:
Tri have you been keeping "BerkShares" a secret From us?
It's a secret no more. MSNBC just did a whole segement about them. Facsinating.
Why, no. First I've heard of such a thing.
Don't forget, I'm here in Metro Boston....the Berkshires may as well be in another country as far as us "easterners" are concerned. Although this is what us Hub types mean when we say "way out west."
I'm surprised Rachel hasn't mentioned this....and you were closer to the Berkshires than I am when you were in the Hudson Valley there.
And isn't private currency illegal in these United States?
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 20:01:55
you too? 
Raine on 11/24/2008 20:01:55
Quote by IzzyBitz:
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 20:03:53
If it were, wouldn't gift cards be illegal? It's "currency" that can only be spent at one place
Random on 11/24/2008 20:03:53
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
Tri have you been keeping "BerkShares" a secret From us?
It's a secret no more. MSNBC just did a whole segement about them. Facsinating.
Why, no. First I've heard of such a thing.
Don't forget, I'm here in Metro Boston....the Berkshires may as well be in another country as far as us "easterners" are concerned. Although this is what us Hub types mean when we say "way out west."
I'm surprised Rachel hasn't mentioned this....and you were closer to the Berkshires than I am when you were in the Hudson Valley there.
And isn't private currency illegal in these United States?
If it were, wouldn't gift cards be illegal? It's "currency" that can only be spent at one place
Comment by wickedpam on 11/24/2008 20:05:14
the movie not the series, I would suggest.
wickedpam on 11/24/2008 20:05:14
Quote by Random:Quote by Scoopster:
Ya know, I've never actually seen Escaflowne..
There's a lotta anime stuff I haven't seen actually. And some stuff I could do without having ever seen too.
BTW Bob I'm gonna recommend Cowboy Bebop as a starting point. EXCELLENT series. Fairly easy to understand and get into the story.. And the theme song kicks ass.
If you want weird...Watch Ghost in the Shell.
the movie not the series, I would suggest.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 20:05:35
And Disney Dollars too..
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 20:05:35
Quote by Random:Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
Tri have you been keeping "BerkShares" a secret From us?
It's a secret no more. MSNBC just did a whole segement about them. Facsinating.
Why, no. First I've heard of such a thing.
Don't forget, I'm here in Metro Boston....the Berkshires may as well be in another country as far as us "easterners" are concerned. Although this is what us Hub types mean when we say "way out west."
I'm surprised Rachel hasn't mentioned this....and you were closer to the Berkshires than I am when you were in the Hudson Valley there.
And isn't private currency illegal in these United States?
If it were, wouldn't gift cards be illegal? It's "currency" that can only be spent at one place
And Disney Dollars too..
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 20:09:15
Never saw the series, so yeah the movie. Freakie stuff. Metropolis is pretty cool too.
Random on 11/24/2008 20:09:15
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by Scoopster:
Ya know, I've never actually seen Escaflowne..
There's a lotta anime stuff I haven't seen actually. And some stuff I could do without having ever seen too.
BTW Bob I'm gonna recommend Cowboy Bebop as a starting point. EXCELLENT series. Fairly easy to understand and get into the story.. And the theme song kicks ass.
If you want weird...Watch Ghost in the Shell.
the movie not the series, I would suggest.
Never saw the series, so yeah the movie. Freakie stuff. Metropolis is pretty cool too.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/24/2008 20:14:00
wickedpam on 11/24/2008 20:14:00
Howl's Moving Castle is suppose to be good too
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 20:14:15
TriSec on 11/24/2008 20:14:15
4F dollars! 4F Dollars!
I want to be on the $3 !!
I want to be on the $3 !!
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 20:18:28
They just started in 2006, so it seems that it was started around the time i was planning on moving or afterwards.
I don't think this is really private tender... is it? people who want to participate in it can. A lot like states up near the canadian border can accept Canadian money, no?
I really like how it encourages local community growth.
Raine on 11/24/2008 20:18:28
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
Tri have you been keeping "BerkShares" a secret From us?
It's a secret no more. MSNBC just did a whole segement about them. Facsinating.
Why, no. First I've heard of such a thing.
Don't forget, I'm here in Metro Boston....the Berkshires may as well be in another country as far as us "easterners" are concerned. Although this is what us Hub types mean when we say "way out west."
I'm surprised Rachel hasn't mentioned this....and you were closer to the Berkshires than I am when you were in the Hudson Valley there.
And isn't private currency illegal in these United States?
I don't think this is really private tender... is it? people who want to participate in it can. A lot like states up near the canadian border can accept Canadian money, no?
I really like how it encourages local community growth.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 20:19:31
Nope, I think Bill would put vampire beatdown on Louis whiny ass. Which I think Bill might do to whatshername.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 20:19:31
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
Vampires, OTOH, are a genre I never got into.
Mrs. TriSec dragged me to that Anne Rice POS a few years back (she's a big fan), but I never saw the appeal.
Don't get me started on Anne Rice. She has much to answer for. I thought Interview blew many goats one right after the other. I'm not sure what was worse the turgid prose that never advanced the narrative or Louis whining. You're a vampire, deal with it. Jesus.
Don't mess with my Louis.
He wasn't whining, he's moody, dammit, moody. You got that.
;)
Methinks moody Louis and our gentleman Bill Compton would get along famously..
Nope, I think Bill would put vampire beatdown on Louis whiny ass. Which I think Bill might do to whatshername.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 20:24:43
I love the way Krakauer called Fundamentalist LDS the crazy uncle of the mainline Church. Kinda likable, but you keep him locked in the attic.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 20:24:43
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
BTW Raine, Under the Banner of Heaven is creeping me out.
It's pretty scary because it's true.
I love the way Krakauer called Fundamentalist LDS the crazy uncle of the mainline Church. Kinda likable, but you keep him locked in the attic.
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 20:29:19
Random on 11/24/2008 20:29:19
What's this Under the banner of Heaven thing?
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 20:40:00
It is what us old fogies call a "book," Random. You get them out of the "library." I keed because I love, Random. And I am smartass.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 20:40:00
Quote by Random:
What's this Under the banner of Heaven thing?
It is what us old fogies call a "book," Random. You get them out of the "library."
I keed because I love, Random. And I am smartass.
Comment by BobR on 11/24/2008 20:44:27
It's a book.
You know - those things us old people still use, made from dead trees, and lacking a pointing device...
BobR on 11/24/2008 20:44:27
Quote by Random:
What's this Under the banner of Heaven thing?
It's a book.
You know - those things us old people still use, made from dead trees, and lacking a pointing device...
Comment by BobR on 11/24/2008 20:47:55
I told you I grew up in Palmyra, NY, right? (Mondo replies: *sigh*... yes, about a hundred times already :rolleyes2:)
Mormons used to come into town by the busload every summer in a pilgrimage to the "holy land". From what I understand, they are slowly and discretely buying up property in town.
BobR on 11/24/2008 20:47:55
Quote by Mondobubba:
I love the way Krakauer called Fundamentalist LDS the crazy uncle of the mainline Church. Kinda likable, but you keep him locked in the attic.
I told you I grew up in Palmyra, NY, right? (Mondo replies: *sigh*... yes, about a hundred times already :rolleyes2:)
Mormons used to come into town by the busload every summer in a pilgrimage to the "holy land". From what I understand, they are slowly and discretely buying up property in town.
Comment by livingonli on 11/24/2008 20:47:55
livingonli on 11/24/2008 20:47:55
Time for me to stop by the post office and then head off to work. Later, Gators.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/24/2008 20:53:36
Scoopster on 11/24/2008 20:53:36
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 20:53:58
And I've told you my mother is from LeRoy, right? Which is just down the road from Palmyra. No Mormons there. If there were they would be below the Baptists and Catholics in the religious pecking order of my mom's girlhood.
They are doing the same thing in Navoo. Buying up the town from "Gentiles." They are wacky those LDS folk. I think I mentioned how creepy the bishop was at the temple visitor center on Oahu didn't I? Skeezy inappropriate hugging of his nieces kind of creepy.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 20:53:58
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
I love the way Krakauer called Fundamentalist LDS the crazy uncle of the mainline Church. Kinda likable, but you keep him locked in the attic.
I told you I grew up in Palmyra, NY, right? (Mondo replies: *sigh*... yes, about a hundred times already :rolleyes2:)
Mormons used to come into town by the busload every summer in a pilgrimage to the "holy land". From what I understand, they are slowly and discretely buying up property in town.
And I've told you my mother is from LeRoy, right? Which is just down the road from Palmyra. No Mormons there. If there were they would be below the Baptists and Catholics in the religious pecking order of my mom's girlhood.
They are doing the same thing in Navoo. Buying up the town from "Gentiles." They are wacky those LDS folk. I think I mentioned how creepy the bishop was at the temple visitor center on Oahu didn't I? Skeezy inappropriate hugging of his nieces kind of creepy.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 20:56:57
With great power comes great responsibility.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 20:56:57
Quote by Scoopster:
Whoa.. this has so much potential for good... and abuse!
With great power comes great responsibility.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 20:59:44
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 20:59:44
Bobber, on a totally random note, would agree with me that the single most dangerous SQL command might be "drop"?
as in drop customer.orders.
as in drop customer.orders.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 11/24/2008 21:24:02
IzzyBitz on 11/24/2008 21:24:02
Quote by Raine:you too?Quote by IzzyBitz:
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 21:43:51
How far are you into it?
Raine on 11/24/2008 21:43:51
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
BTW Raine, Under the Banner of Heaven is creeping me out.
It's pretty scary because it's true.
I love the way Krakauer called Fundamentalist LDS the crazy uncle of the mainline Church. Kinda likable, but you keep him locked in the attic.
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 21:49:44
Raine on 11/24/2008 21:49:44
Barack Obama's Transition Team has announced that the President-elect will be holding a press conference tomorrow morning in Chicago.
The press conference was announced by spokesman Ben Finkenbinder in an e-mail advisory to reporters on Monday afternoon.
A person who picked up the phone at Obama's Transition Team Press Office told BNO News that they would not release details on the press conference prior to the event, which is unusual to his previous events.
The press officer declined to say if the press conference was related to announcing new positions within the Obama administration.
Barack Obama is expected to name Hillary Clinton as his Secretary State, according to previous media reports.
The press conference, on Tuesday, will take place in Chicago's Hilton Hotel. The event is scheduled to start at 12 pm Eastern Time.
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 22:57:26
Raine on 11/24/2008 22:57:26
Sarah is NEVER going away. I still think she will land a TV show... been saying that for a while now.
Agents from the William Morris Agency and elsewhere, have come knocking. There even has been an offer to host a TV show.
"Tomorrow, Governor Palin could do an interview with any news media on the planet," said her spokesman, Bill McAllister. "Tomorrow, she could probably sign any one of a dozen book deals. She could start talking to people about a documentary or a movie on her life. That's the level we are at here."
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 22:58:03
Bout 75 -80 pages. They are zany!
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 22:58:03
Quote by Raine:How far are you into it?Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
BTW Raine, Under the Banner of Heaven is creeping me out.
It's pretty scary because it's true.
I love the way Krakauer called Fundamentalist LDS the crazy uncle of the mainline Church. Kinda likable, but you keep him locked in the attic.
Bout 75 -80 pages. They are zany!
Comment by TriSec on 11/24/2008 23:01:21
TriSec on 11/24/2008 23:01:21
*sigh*
Seen on a label for Hannaford Brand "100% Parmesan & Romano Grated Cheese Blend"
CONTAINS: MILK PRODUCTS.
Seen on a label for Hannaford Brand "100% Parmesan & Romano Grated Cheese Blend"
CONTAINS: MILK PRODUCTS.
Comment by Raine on 11/24/2008 23:04:04
Raine on 11/24/2008 23:04:04
*ush Pardons 14 people... more are expected...
On the latest pardon list were:
_Leslie Owen Collier of Charleston, Mo.
_Milton Kirk Cordes of Rapid City, S.D.
_Richard Micheal Culpepper of Mahomet, Ill.
_Brenda Jean Dolenz-Helmer of Fort Worth, Texas.
_Andrew Foster Harley of Falls Church, Va.
_Obie Gene Helton of Rossville, Ga.
_Carey C. Hice Sr. of Travelers Rest, S.C.
_Geneva Yvonne Hogg of Jacksonville, Fla.
_William Hoyle McCright Jr. of Midland, Texas.
_Paul Julian McCurdy of Sulphur, Okla.
_Robert Earl Mohon Jr. of Grant, Ala.
_Ronald Alan Mohrhoff of Los Angeles.
_Daniel Figh Pue III of Conroe, Texas.
_Orion Lynn Vick of White Hall, Ark.
On the latest pardon list were:
_Leslie Owen Collier of Charleston, Mo.
_Milton Kirk Cordes of Rapid City, S.D.
_Richard Micheal Culpepper of Mahomet, Ill.
_Brenda Jean Dolenz-Helmer of Fort Worth, Texas.
_Andrew Foster Harley of Falls Church, Va.
_Obie Gene Helton of Rossville, Ga.
_Carey C. Hice Sr. of Travelers Rest, S.C.
_Geneva Yvonne Hogg of Jacksonville, Fla.
_William Hoyle McCright Jr. of Midland, Texas.
_Paul Julian McCurdy of Sulphur, Okla.
_Robert Earl Mohon Jr. of Grant, Ala.
_Ronald Alan Mohrhoff of Los Angeles.
_Daniel Figh Pue III of Conroe, Texas.
_Orion Lynn Vick of White Hall, Ark.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 23:11:12
Aren't you glad you know that now! The US gummit is looking out for your best interests!
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 23:11:12
Quote by TriSec:
*sigh*
Seen on a label for Hannaford Brand "100% Parmesan & Romano Grated Cheese Blend"
CONTAINS: MILK PRODUCTS.
Aren't you glad you know that now! The US gummit is looking out for your best interests!
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 23:14:34
So, I wanna know what she did. I'm sure the local news will be all over this.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 23:14:34
Quote by Raine:
*ush Pardons 14 people... more are expected...
On the latest pardon list were:
_Geneva Yvonne Hogg of Jacksonville, Fla.
So, I wanna know what she did. I'm sure the local news will be all over this.
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 23:17:35
That doesn't change the fact i don't know what the hell you're talking about.
P.S. Yes I do know what books are.
Random on 11/24/2008 23:17:35
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:
What's this Under the banner of Heaven thing?
It is what us old fogies call a "book," Random. You get them out of the "library."
That doesn't change the fact i don't know what the hell you're talking about.
P.S. Yes I do know what books are.
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 23:18:43
What, no Charles Manson?
Random on 11/24/2008 23:18:43
Quote by Raine:
*ush Pardons 14 people... more are expected...
On the latest pardon list were:
_Leslie Owen Collier of Charleston, Mo.
_Milton Kirk Cordes of Rapid City, S.D.
_Richard Micheal Culpepper of Mahomet, Ill.
_Brenda Jean Dolenz-Helmer of Fort Worth, Texas.
_Andrew Foster Harley of Falls Church, Va.
_Obie Gene Helton of Rossville, Ga.
_Carey C. Hice Sr. of Travelers Rest, S.C.
_Geneva Yvonne Hogg of Jacksonville, Fla.
_William Hoyle McCright Jr. of Midland, Texas.
_Paul Julian McCurdy of Sulphur, Okla.
_Robert Earl Mohon Jr. of Grant, Ala.
_Ronald Alan Mohrhoff of Los Angeles.
_Daniel Figh Pue III of Conroe, Texas.
_Orion Lynn Vick of White Hall, Ark.
What, no Charles Manson?
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 23:35:39
It is a book aboot Mormon Fundamentalists and Mormons in general.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 23:35:39
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:
What's this Under the banner of Heaven thing?
It is what us old fogies call a "book," Random. You get them out of the "library."
That doesn't change the fact i don't know what the hell you're talking about.
P.S. Yes I do know what books are.
It is a book aboot Mormon Fundamentalists and Mormons in general.
Comment by Random on 11/24/2008 23:43:04
So, the Mormon Bible
Random on 11/24/2008 23:43:04
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:
What's this Under the banner of Heaven thing?
It is what us old fogies call a "book," Random. You get them out of the "library."
That doesn't change the fact i don't know what the hell you're talking about.
P.S. Yes I do know what books are.
It is a book aboot Mormon Fundamentalists and Mormons in general.
So, the Mormon Bible
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 23:57:12
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 23:57:12
Is it me, or am I crazy. Coldplay sucks. I mean sucks like a Oreck.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 23:59:57
No, it is a book about how fucked up FDLS is. Remember Elizabeth Smart? Kidnapped by a Fundamentalist, Warren Jepps and his creepy compound of kidddy rapers, FLDS.
Mondobubba on 11/24/2008 23:59:57
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:
What's this Under the banner of Heaven thing?
It is what us old fogies call a "book," Random. You get them out of the "library."
That doesn't change the fact i don't know what the hell you're talking about.
P.S. Yes I do know what books are.
It is a book aboot Mormon Fundamentalists and Mormons in general.
So, the Mormon Bible
No, it is a book about how fucked up FDLS is. Remember Elizabeth Smart? Kidnapped by a Fundamentalist, Warren Jepps and his creepy compound of kidddy rapers, FLDS.
Comment by Random on 11/25/2008 00:27:02
Apparently you haven't looked up Bringem Young and John Smith.
Random on 11/25/2008 00:27:02
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:
What's this Under the banner of Heaven thing?
It is what us old fogies call a "book," Random. You get them out of the "library."
That doesn't change the fact i don't know what the hell you're talking about.
P.S. Yes I do know what books are.
It is a book aboot Mormon Fundamentalists and Mormons in general.
So, the Mormon Bible
No, it is a book about how fucked up FDLS is. Remember Elizabeth Smart? Kidnapped by a Fundamentalist, Warren Jepps and his creepy compound of kidddy rapers, FLDS.
Apparently you haven't looked up Bringem Young and John Smith.
Comment by Raine on 11/25/2008 00:31:36
Raine on 11/25/2008 00:31:36
Robert Redford is scheduled to be on Rachel tonite...
Comment by Raine on 11/25/2008 00:34:33
The book gives a very detailed history of both of these men and how the modern day LDS as well as the FLDS has come to be.
It is a lot more than just the history of these 2 men.
Raine on 11/25/2008 00:34:33
Quote by Random:
Apparently you haven't looked up Bringem Young and John Smith.
The book gives a very detailed history of both of these men and how the modern day LDS as well as the FLDS has come to be.
It is a lot more than just the history of these 2 men.
Comment by Raine on 11/25/2008 00:37:13
:rofl:
Not yet at least. Somehow I feel more safe having Manson released into the public than say Rove or Cheney.
Raine on 11/25/2008 00:37:13
Quote by Random:
What, no Charles Manson?
:rofl:
Not yet at least. Somehow I feel more safe having Manson released into the public than say Rove or Cheney.
Comment by Random on 11/25/2008 00:45:59
I only bring them up because how can you be surprised that the LDS in it's current carnation if you know that it was basically founded by a Con artist.
Random on 11/25/2008 00:45:59
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
Apparently you haven't looked up Bringem Young and John Smith.
The book gives a very detailed history of both of these men and how the modern day LDS as well as the FLDS has come to be.
It is a lot more than just the history of these 2 men.
I only bring them up because how can you be surprised that the LDS in it's current carnation if you know that it was basically founded by a Con artist.
Comment by Random on 11/25/2008 00:50:55
If i were as hated as W. I'd release Manson just to fuck of the people who said i was shitty.
Then on my last day i'd do a "Who's fucked now" speech as i fly away, and never come back.
Random on 11/25/2008 00:50:55
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
What, no Charles Manson?
:rofl:
Not yet at least. Somehow I feel more safe having Manson released into the public than say Rove or Cheney.
If i were as hated as W. I'd release Manson just to fuck of the people who said i was shitty.
Then on my last day i'd do a "Who's fucked now" speech as i fly away, and never come back.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2008 01:02:23
Mondobubba on 11/25/2008 01:02:23
KO was on Martha! Why wasn't I told!
Comment by Random on 11/25/2008 01:04:54
The only reason to have watched Countdown last week.
Random on 11/25/2008 01:04:54
Quote by Mondobubba:
KO was on Martha! Why wasn't I told!
The only reason to have watched Countdown last week.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2008 01:07:07
Mondobubba on 11/25/2008 01:07:07
Psst Random that's Brigham Young & Joseph Smith.
Comment by Raine on 11/25/2008 01:10:34
I understand. That Is why I oft refer to this 'religion' akin to a cult. Smith was a con artist... and look at what that con wrought.
The history of what happened after him is something that people - imo - should understand, it has manifested itself into a much bigger thing than just a few con men playing a few people.
How do you think Utah became a state? That was no con game, that was the result of people BELIEVING in a con fomented many years before in Palmyra NY. Random, I think you would be intersted in the book as well.
Raine on 11/25/2008 01:10:34
Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
Apparently you haven't looked up Bringem Young and John Smith.
The book gives a very detailed history of both of these men and how the modern day LDS as well as the FLDS has come to be.
It is a lot more than just the history of these 2 men.
I only bring them up because how can you be surprised that the LDS in it's current carnation if you know that it was basically founded by a Con artist.
The history of what happened after him is something that people - imo - should understand, it has manifested itself into a much bigger thing than just a few con men playing a few people.
How do you think Utah became a state? That was no con game, that was the result of people BELIEVING in a con fomented many years before in Palmyra NY. Random, I think you would be intersted in the book as well.
Comment by Raine on 11/25/2008 01:12:10
I knew what he meant... but I am well versed in reading typos... it is a gift.
Raine on 11/25/2008 01:12:10
Quote by Mondobubba:
Psst Random that's Brigham Young & Joseph Smith.
I knew what he meant... but I am well versed in reading typos... it is a gift.
Comment by Random on 11/25/2008 01:17:24
Random doesn't care.
Jasus.
Random on 11/25/2008 01:17:24
Quote by Mondobubba:
Psst Random that's Brigham Young & Joseph Smith.
Random doesn't care.
Jasus.
Comment by Random on 11/25/2008 01:19:12
Not really. It's a church founded by Con-men and other weird people (Bring'em Young). It doesn't surprise me that those in charge are Con-men and other weird people.
Random on 11/25/2008 01:19:12
Quote by Raine:I understand. That Is why I oft refer to this 'religion' akin to a cult. Smith was a con artist... and look at what that con wrought.Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
Apparently you haven't looked up Bringem Young and John Smith.
The book gives a very detailed history of both of these men and how the modern day LDS as well as the FLDS has come to be.
It is a lot more than just the history of these 2 men.
I only bring them up because how can you be surprised that the LDS in it's current carnation if you know that it was basically founded by a Con artist.
The history of what happened after him is something that people - imo - should understand, it has manifested itself into a much bigger thing than just a few con men playing a few people.
How do you think Utah became a state? That was no con game, that was the result of people BELIEVING in a con fomented many years before in Palmyra NY. Random, I think you would be intersted in the book as well.
Not really. It's a church founded by Con-men and other weird people (Bring'em Young). It doesn't surprise me that those in charge are Con-men and other weird people.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2008 01:39:33
Mondobubba on 11/25/2008 01:39:33
KO watching the Palin turkey video for the first time. :rofl:
:rofl:
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2008 01:45:29
Mondobubba on 11/25/2008 01:45:29
I don't think I shared this last week when the Palin Turkey video broke. With all apologies to the US Army: There is clueless and then there Sarah Palin clueless.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2008 01:47:20
Mondobubba on 11/25/2008 01:47:20
Yep Jos. Smith was even a more brilliant con man than L Ron Hubbard. Both Mormonism and Scientology are pretty effing loopy.
Comment by Random on 11/25/2008 01:54:45
I think L Ron Hubbard has the problem of being a Fiction Author of some acclaim.
Smith had an easier time of it. (despite going to jail and getting shot)
Random on 11/25/2008 01:54:45
Quote by Mondobubba:
Yep Jos. Smith was even a more brilliant con man than L Ron Hubbard. Both Mormonism and Scientology are pretty effing loopy.
I think L Ron Hubbard has the problem of being a Fiction Author of some acclaim.
Smith had an easier time of it. (despite going to jail and getting shot)
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2008 01:57:09
Mondobubba on 11/25/2008 01:57:09
Is KO talking about us again?? Pie and recipes!
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/25/2008 01:59:11
Oh Random, Hubbard was an author of no acclaim.
Mondobubba on 11/25/2008 01:59:11
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Yep Jos. Smith was even a more brilliant con man than L Ron Hubbard. Both Mormonism and Scientology are pretty effing loopy.
I think L Ron Hubbard has the problem of being a Fiction Author of some acclaim.
Smith had an easier time of it. (despite going to jail and getting shot)
Oh Random, Hubbard was an author of no acclaim.
Comment by Random on 11/25/2008 02:01:53
Random on 11/25/2008 02:01:53
Random is watching Heroes.
Comment by Random on 11/25/2008 03:01:09
Random on 11/25/2008 03:01:09
DIE CLAIRE!!
Comment by Random on 11/25/2008 03:01:18
Random on 11/25/2008 03:01:18
DIE CLAIRE!!