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Dante's Inferno
Author: BobR    Date: 02/06/2009 13:39:31

The prison at Guantanamo Bay has been the source of many sleepless nights for those in this country and the rest of the world who value freedom and fairness. It's bad enough that people have been held there for 7 years without a chance to refute the charges against them; no charges have been made. It's bad enough that they are viewed by some as "prisoners of war" when no declaration of war has been made, and there can be no definitive end to our efforts to control terrorism. It's bad enough that this is being done in our name and our only recourse all these years has been our ballot.

No, on top of all this is the common knowledge that it is no better than Abu Ghraib under Saddam Hussein.

Appearing on - of all places - the Daily Show, author Karen Greenberg describes how torture turned Gitmo into a version of Dante's Inferno:
"They're told, 'Look, you don't have to follow the Geneva Conventions'" Greenberg continued, "'but it would be good if you could sort of, you know, be with the spirit of them.' And they look around and they're like, 'What does that mean?'"

"Make this prison Geneva Convention-ish," Stewart suggested.

"It was an 'ish' situation," agreed Greenberg, "and that does not compute for the military. ... Their idea is ... 'We know how to follow rules, that's our job, we're professionals. We don't, you know, improvise when it comes to the law.'"

"When does the word come down," Stewart asked, "that, 'Hey, you know what? We're actually not going to make it even Geneva Convention-ish. That was the honeymoon period. Now, let's make it more Dante's Inferno-ish.'"

Greenberg replied that starting in mid-February 2002, "they bring in a whole other crew" of higher-ranked officers "and it becomes their show. And they're the 'interrogation' military unit, and they take over."

We all remember the justifications, the various apologists trying to claim water-boarding wasn't torture, the memos leaking faster than a rusty rowboat. We remember the euphemistic term "enhanced interrogation techniques" which the previous administration tried to imprint on the mental consciousness of the country with mixed success.

Cheney - like a latter-day Rasputin - is still out there trying to cover his tracks, terrorize the nation, and - in general - justify his bloody past. By now most of you have heard or seen his latest prognostications:
Former Vice President Dick Cheney warned that there is a “high probability” that terrorists will attempt a catastrophic nuclear or biological attack in coming years, and said he fears the Obama administration’s policies will make it more likely the attempt will succeed.

In an interview Tuesday with Politico, Cheney unyieldingly defended the Bush administration’s support for the Guantanamo Bay prison and coercive interrogation of terrorism suspects.
[...]
He expressed confidence that files will some day be publicly accessible offering specific evidence that waterboarding and other policies he promoted — over sharp internal dissent from colleagues and harsh public criticism — were directly responsible for averting new Sept. 11-style attacks.

Not content to wait for a historical verdict, Cheney said he is set to plunge into his own memoirs, feeling liberated to describe behind-the-scenes roles over several decades in government now that the “statute of limitations has expired” on many of the most sensitive episodes.

So not only is he unapologetic, he has plans to make money describing the brutal programs he's created over the years. One certainly hopes there's a special ring in Dante's Inferno for Cheney and his ilk; those among us who find a certain satisfaction in poetic justice hope he gets a taste of it before he leaves this earth for good.


 

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Comment by TriSec on 02/06/2009 13:53:10
Morning, comrades!



Already shaping up to be a lost day....





Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2009 14:13:56
MOrning :hug:





Chris if you lurking or run by - Cerberus was the dog that guarded the gates of Hades and Charron was the ferryman that escorted souls across the river Styx hence the term to "pay the ferryman"

Comment by TriSec on 02/06/2009 14:21:25
But what about Fek'lehr, guardian of Gre'thor...where the dishonored go when they die?





Comment by Scoopster on 02/06/2009 14:22:21
Morning guys.. :coffee2:



Yeah it's one of those mornings where I just wanted to stay curled up in bed wearing my flannels.

Comment by Scoopster on 02/06/2009 14:23:46
Quote by TriSec:

But what about Fek'lehr, guardian of Gre'thor...where the dishonored go when they die?



how about Yahweh's Grand Casino and Taco Emporium?

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2009 14:27:52
off to finish cleaning up, scanning, backing up and doing tediuos other computer things - back in a bit :D

Comment by TriSec on 02/06/2009 14:30:41
No R? New York???!!!??





Whatahya, retahdid?

Comment by Scoopster on 02/06/2009 14:33:19
:grumble: everytime I try to login to Facebook my browser locks up.

Comment by TriSec on 02/06/2009 14:35:23
Never mind the "K"s.....what about the fact that their coffee is rank, and the donuts are essentially a ring of frosting?





Comment by Raine on 02/06/2009 14:35:47
Good Morning!

Comment by TriSec on 02/06/2009 14:38:07
See now, I'm moderately fluent in Klingon, and what Jim just said is "Your mother rubs chocolate on her boots", which is a blood insult.





Comment by Raine on 02/06/2009 14:39:14
Wow, they are really grammar police today... Mondo would be lovin' this!

Comment by starling310 on 02/06/2009 14:40:34
AAAGGHHH!



Irregardless drives me CRAZY!





Comment by Raine on 02/06/2009 14:45:03


B-Box gives a SMACKDOWN to Lindsay Graham!



Comment by Raine on 02/06/2009 15:11:15
Is this the Stephanie Miller show or Noun Talk on NPR?

Comment by TriSec on 02/06/2009 15:11:49
Spring arrives in Boston!



The 18-wheeler that arrived on Friday is the same rig that has transported the Red Sox spring training gear from Fenway Park to Fort Myers, Fla. since 1998. Next year, New England Household Moving & Storage, the firm that conducts the operation, plans to add a new tractor (the front end) to the truck for next year's run.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/06/2009 15:16:47
Good morning, bloggers!!! Excellent post, BobR!!



Maybe the guy with the blow up dolls should check to see if he is allergic to latex? If he is, he might have a rash in an inconvenient place to scratch.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2009 15:21:09
Hi Will! how are things in Pheonix?

Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/06/2009 15:23:41
Quote by Raine:

Hi Will! how are things in Pheonix?




Busy. I have subbed a few days this week, and I had an interview for a long term sub position yesterday. (I should know if I have the position sometime early next week.) I also have a weekend job which is keeping me busy.



Currently, I am waiting for the schools to post positions for the new school year but I think I will have something. I am also taking a night class to help turn my reciprocal teaching certificate to a two year provisional certificate. (I will move up to the next certificate after that.)

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2009 15:26:14
Quote by Raine:

Is this the Stephanie Miller show or Noun Talk on NPR?








Comment by Scoopster on 02/06/2009 15:29:04
Meh.. I had to open FireFox just to get facecrack to load.



Remind me to tell Microsoft that their products are fookin' QUALITY.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2009 15:30:03
That sounds really great for you Will! I am so glad that things are moving in the right direction for you since your move.







Comment by Raine on 02/06/2009 15:31:13
Quote by Scoopster:

Meh.. I had to open FireFox just to get facecrack to load.



Remind me to tell Microsoft that their products are fookin' QUALITY.
I was going to ask you if you were using IE... It locks up a lot for Bob. I think he now uses Google Chrome for the FB.



I use Safari and have no problem with it.



Comment by BobR on 02/06/2009 15:31:54
If anyone is going to be changing jobs soon, here are a few companies that don't do layoffs

Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2009 15:32:29
Good morning everyone. It was a very busy night in the salt mine since I was live most of the evening and had to cut down a delayed Women's Basketball game to 2 hours on the fly. And then I didn't get home until 2 AM so I was pretty pooped.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2009 15:34:39
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

Is this the Stephanie Miller show or Noun Talk on NPR?








Ahh... good times good times!

Comment by TriSec on 02/06/2009 15:35:18
*grunt*



Well, I'm thinking I can find something more interesting to listen to this morning than the grammar police log....





Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/06/2009 15:36:10
GREAT NEWS!!!!



I just checked my e-mail and I was offered the long-term sub position that I interviewed for yesterday!! So, I accepted!!



Ironically, I still had the course outline with me!!

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2009 15:36:55
Shelagh :D

Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2009 15:37:11
Shelagh on the grammar police pile on.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2009 15:38:22
Quote by Will in Phoenix:

GREAT NEWS!!!!



I just checked my e-mail and I was offered the long-term sub position that I interviewed for yesterday!! So, I accepted!!



Ironically, I still had the course outline with me!!
THAT's WONDERFUL!!!!!



:party: :banana::dance: :dance2::dance::banana: :prince::party:



Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2009 15:38:39
I loved that - saw it on the little bit of Rachel I saw :D

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2009 15:38:43
:wub2: I think I love the President when he talks like that!

Comment by Scoopster on 02/06/2009 15:38:58
Hmm.. there's some rumbling about that Rush has enlisted his moron listeners to wardial the Senate offices on the stimulus bill.



So if you're trying to call your Senators, keep trying. And don't forget about sending emails or faxes either!

Comment by Scoopster on 02/06/2009 15:39:47
Quote by Will in Phoenix:

GREAT NEWS!!!!



I just checked my e-mail and I was offered the long-term sub position that I interviewed for yesterday!! So, I accepted!!



Ironically, I still had the course outline with me!!


Congrats Will!!

Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2009 15:39:49
Quote by Will in Phoenix:

GREAT NEWS!!!!



I just checked my e-mail and I was offered the long-term sub position that I interviewed for yesterday!! So, I accepted!!



Ironically, I still had the course outline with me!!


Great news.





Now if only my job/financial prospects would improve.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2009 15:40:14
Quote by Scoopster:

Hmm.. there's some rumbling about that Rush has enlisted his moron listeners to wardial the Senate offices on the stimulus bill.



So if you're trying to call your Senators, keep trying. And don't forget about sending emails or faxes either!
Yeah I have heard that as well. I also heard that for a while on I believe Wednesday, The phone system shut down.







Comment by Scoopster on 02/06/2009 15:41:34
Oh yeah, and you can also call the LOCAL offices for your Senator too.

Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2009 15:41:44
I want a pin so I can puncture Rush.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2009 15:43:17
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Will in Phoenix:

GREAT NEWS!!!!



I just checked my e-mail and I was offered the long-term sub position that I interviewed for yesterday!! So, I accepted!!



Ironically, I still had the course outline with me!!
THAT's WONDERFUL!!!!!



:party: :banana::dance: :dance2::dance::banana: :prince::party:







WOOHOO!!!



Comment by Raine on 02/06/2009 15:45:06
Quote by Scoopster:

Oh yeah, and you can also call the LOCAL offices for your Senator too.
Thom Hartmann Has been saying this as well.. he also mentioned that if you still send snail mail send it to the local offices because in DC, with all the screening for anthrax and the flaven, it usually takes a few weeks before it hits a reps. Desk.



Comment by starling310 on 02/06/2009 15:52:41
I love that she used the words "theatrical" and "flamboyant" in reference to Lindsay Graham.





Comment by Raine on 02/06/2009 15:53:54
Lou Dobbs: Not relevant

Comment by BobR on 02/06/2009 15:54:21
I forgot to bring coffee to the office with me this morning, so I am having to drink the skanky office coffee... me ---> >P

Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2009 15:54:23
Quote by starling310:

I love that she used the words "theatrical" and "flamboyant" in reference to Lindsay Graham.





Will you please close that closet door?

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2009 15:54:43
Quote by starling310:

I love that she used the words "theatrical" and "flamboyant" in reference to Lindsay Graham.



I think she was a tip of the tongue away from calling him a Drama Queen... :lol:



Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2009 15:55:06
Have to say I did my part to turn people on to how to re-phrase what this thing from Stimulus Package to Job Creation Package on the twitter yesterday :)



Marketing is everything - Thom's right if Dems named things better people would line up for it

Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/06/2009 15:55:46
Quote by livingonli:

I want a pin so I can puncture Rush.




Considering Rush's size, you might need an Imperial Star Destroyer to get that job done!!

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/StarDestroyer.jpg


Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2009 15:56:02
I think hookers should be a part of the stimulus package.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2009 16:02:11
Quote by wickedpam:

Have to say I did my part to turn people on to how to re-phrase what this thing from Stimulus Package to Job Creation Package on the twitter yesterday :)



Marketing is everything - Thom's right if Dems named things better people would line up for it
I am gonna do that too.