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Is it Really Expansion of Power?
Author: Raine    Date: 04/09/2009 12:38:37

Over the weekend, we got wind of a particularly nasty story about the Obama Administration quietly expanding Bush's legal defense of wiretapping program. It was reported at Raw Story among other media outlets. When I first read this, I was disheartened to say the least and outraged over the appearance of unconstitutionality to it. I simply could not wrap my head that this new administration could be so complicit in continuing what was in my mind illegal activity.

So, I decided to do some digging. This is the actual motion to dismiss that was filed: http://www.eff.org/files/filenode/jewel/jewelmtdobama.pdf. Turns out, it was a motion to dismiss, it was not a mandate from the administration nor a final ruling from a judge.

The lawsuit is, as I understand it, in it's infancy. It is also a civil suit. The motion to dismiss is a common procedure by ALL attorneys . It is simply what is done. Lest I sound like an apologist, I want to make clear that I am not happy about this motion, but it is just a part of an entire case, not the case itself. We do not know where this is going or what the purpose was.

We also do not know who actually appointed the attorneys in this case. President Obama was handed a corrupted DOJ, and not all Bush appointed attorneys have been replaced. We simply do not know what the motives are here. I think after seeing what happened to Ted Stevens this past week, we can all say that this is a broken department that will take time to fix. Personally, I am suspect of the defense lawyers on this case. That said, it is a case in motion, and while the suit names the president, it also says this, from the EFF website:
In Jewel v. NSA, EFF is suing the National Security Agency (NSA) and other government agencies on behalf of AT&T customers to stop the illegal, unconstitutional, and ongoing dragnet surveillance of their communications and communications records.

Jewel v. NSA is aimed at ending the NSA’s dragnet surveillance of millions of ordinary Americans and holding accountable the government officials who illegally authorized it. Evidence in the case includes undisputed documents provided by former AT&T telecommunications technician Mark Klein showing AT&T has routed copies of Internet traffic to a secret room in San Francisco controlled by the NSA.

That same evidence is central to Hepting v. AT&T, a class-action lawsuit filed by EFF in 2006 to stop the telecom giant’s participation in the illegal surveillance program. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law attempting to derail that case by unconstitutionally granting immunity to AT&T and other companies that took part in the dragnet. Hepting v. AT&T is now stalled in federal court while EFF argues with the government over whether the immunity is constitutional and applies in that case — litigation that is likely to continue well into 2009.

In addition to suing the government agencies involved in the domestic dragnet, the lawsuit also targets the individuals responsible for creating, authorizing, and implementing the illegal program, including President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Cheney's chief of staff David Addington, former Attorney General and White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales and other individuals who ordered or participated in the warrantless domestic surveillance.
If The president of the United States intervened in this case, he would 1) be obstructing Justice, and 2) disrupting a lawsuit for political reasons. It wasn't that long ago when we were up in arms at another administration for doing JUST that. I am speaking of the firing of a number of DOJ attorneys for political reasons, by Alberto Gonzales.

There are numerous lawsuits happing in the DOJ; this is but one motion - it is not policy. I'd also like to add that this case is a civil case, not a criminal case. Therefore they are not - despite appearances to the contrary - defending the Bush Administration. Sadly these attorneys are following the law as it is now, particularly the Patriot Act. Until Congress changes this law, attorneys are required to follow it. We have had far too many years of the exact opposite happening from our government, I would rather the laws on the books be followed. If the laws are wrong Congress can change them, or they are appealed to the Supreme Court.

This is a civil lawsuit, but it is also a financial suit. People are seeking money for damages. The President's name is on this suit, as well as other current government officials. I believe that the President should be able to defend himself from the actions of the previous administration. That is the point of invoking Sovereign Immunity. We have had that clause for a long time in the United States. It was abused by the previous Administration, but I am not sure if that is the case with this motion. As it stands now, we do not have proof that illegal wiretapping is still continuing, and according to the actual motion, it has allegedly has ceased. I cannot defend that notion, because I do not have proof. None of us do, sadly.

So, I am feeling dubious of this lawsuit, and I will let the administration know how I feel about it, but it must run its course. The president and others cannot step in and stop it, and I do not want them to. I want the law followed. There is cause for alarm, yes, but there have been NO expansions of power, yet. I know that Jonathan Turley and others would have us believe otherwise, and I share the alarm, but this is not the Bush Administration. This is not policy and this is not the bad old days, where we automatically assumed that things were not being done in our own interest. We all still need to do our research and find out what the other side of the story is. Until all the Attorneys from the Bush Administration are gone, we will need to remain vigilant and pay attention. I may be opening up new cans of worms here, but I would rather question than automatically assume that the new boss is the same as the old.

:peace: and
Raine



 

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Comment by Scoopster on 04/09/2009 12:45:29
UGH.. morning guys! Back after a couple days of HELL!

Comment by wickedpam on 04/09/2009 12:47:12
Morning :hug:

Comment by Raine on 04/09/2009 13:20:54
Bloggie up!



pitchforks and bricks in the back of the room!

Comment by jd_in_ny on 04/09/2009 13:27:35
good morning

Comment by Raine on 04/09/2009 13:29:51
Well Hello JD! :hug:

Comment by Raine on 04/09/2009 13:33:06
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/ <--- You can contact the administration and tell them how you feel about this and other NSA/FISA issues here.



You should, because despite what some would have you believe, this administration DOES listen. A few weeks ago when it was floated that the VA might be partially privatized, the roar was loud enough that they dropped that idea.



It is critical that we still keep the governments feet to the fire.

Comment by Scoopster on 04/09/2009 13:36:14
Have I ever mentioned how wonderful gotomypc is? 10 hours of updates and I can keep an eye on it to make sure I don't get disconnected.

Comment by Raine on 04/09/2009 13:39:34
Comment by wickedpam on 04/09/2009 13:42:48
JD! :hug:

Comment by Scoopster on 04/09/2009 13:46:15


I bet he does..... *winkwink*

Comment by Raine on 04/09/2009 13:47:35
The President Has Become a Divisive Figure

Compare his start with George W. Bush's.




Project Much KKKarl??



Shame on the WSJ for allowing this POS to be printed.

Comment by BobR on 04/09/2009 13:48:10
Excellent research on the blog today! Considering how much we complained about Bush gerrymandering with the Justice Dept., I think it's wrong to assume Obama is doing the same thing.



And AFAIK, a motion to dismiss is pretty typical in any lawsuit.



Finally, I think the point that the dismissal includes the wording that the easvesdropping is no longer occurring is pretty significant.

Comment by BobR on 04/09/2009 13:50:01
Quote by Scoopster:



I bet he does..... *winkwink*


Teabagging (may not be considered work-safe)

Comment by wickedpam on 04/09/2009 14:14:34






*sigh*



I don't get it. Regan spent millons on Star Wars = fail. Bush II spent millons on 2 wars that didn't reall accomplish anything = fail. Obama tries to spent millons to help the country get back on it's feet by creating jobs or helping to hold onto jobs and NOW they want to protest "wasteful" spending.



I just don't get it.

Comment by Raine on 04/09/2009 14:20:58
Comment by wickedpam on 04/09/2009 14:25:00






because VA Repugs are ASSHATS!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by BobR on 04/09/2009 14:40:25
Quote by wickedpam:







*sigh*



I don't get it. Regan spent millons on Star Wars = fail. Bush II spent millons on 2 wars that didn't reall accomplish anything = fail. Obama tries to spent millons to help the country get back on it's feet by creating jobs or helping to hold onto jobs and NOW they want to protest "wasteful" spending.



I just don't get it.


THANK-YOU.

Comment by Scoopster on 04/09/2009 14:47:02
Comment by wickedpam on 04/09/2009 14:56:54
I believe he is going the the 19 Street church

Comment by Raine on 04/09/2009 15:09:03
oo00oo



did I mention to y'all that we are going to see Marc Maron tonite? Front Row, VIP seats!!

Comment by wickedpam on 04/09/2009 15:18:05
Weez :D

Comment by Raine on 04/09/2009 15:20:05
:rofl: Weezie Jefferson!!!

Comment by Random on 04/09/2009 15:20:33
Palin baby conspiracy.

Yes...I do enjoy spreading these type of things.

Comment by livingonli on 04/09/2009 15:24:06
Good morning everyone.



Another late bedtime for me means I keep missing a chunck of Momma and the mooks.

Comment by Raine on 04/09/2009 15:24:28
Quote by Random:

Palin baby conspiracy.

Yes...I do enjoy spreading these type of things.


:shrug:



Maybe there are no pictures of Tripp?



Has anyone actually seen Tripp???

Comment by Raine on 04/09/2009 15:25:22
I admit, I like Sarah Palin Conspiracies...

Comment by livingonli on 04/09/2009 15:29:36
Quote by Raine:

The President Has Become a Divisive Figure

Compare his start with George W. Bush's.




Project Much KKKarl??



Shame on the WSJ for allowing this POS to be printed.


Well Karl does work for Fox News and since Murdoch bought the Journal, he's pushed it into being more of a right-wing propaganda rag beyond the editorial page.

Comment by Random on 04/09/2009 15:29:58
Sarah Palin Conspiracies are fun.

Especially Tripp/Trig ones...

Though...one does have to wonder why Bristol would name a kid...Tripp...

Comment by Raine on 04/09/2009 15:30:30
Caller seems to be conflating Journalists with Momma and the mooks...



Big Difference there.

Comment by Raine on 04/09/2009 15:31:06
Quote by Random:

Sarah Palin Conspiracies are fun.

Especially Tripp/Trig ones...

Though...one does have to wonder why Bristol would name a kid...Tripp...


:foil:



Do you think she really names that baby?

Comment by clintster on 04/09/2009 15:41:21
Finally heard the NOM ad. Wow. Do you wonder if, back in the 50s and 60s, pro-segregation groups would have run similar ads on a prototype Faux News?

Comment by Random on 04/09/2009 15:43:50
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Sarah Palin Conspiracies are fun.

Especially Tripp/Trig ones...

Though...one does have to wonder why Bristol would name a kid...Tripp...


:foil:



Do you think she really names that baby?


or she named both...Trig, Tripp...similar.

After all, what are Sarah's kids? Piper, Bristol, Willow, Track?

does Trig really fit, especially when compared to Tripp? Track was born in 89. the rest of her kids have normal names...So...who named Trig?

Comment by BobR on 04/09/2009 15:57:14
Comment by TriSec on 04/09/2009 16:13:29
And off to the kitchen I go....maybe I'll post some "in progress" photos over at FB.





Comment by Random on 04/09/2009 16:22:10
O.O

I just did a photo done by Judith Miller, from New York Times.





Comment by Raine on 04/09/2009 16:33:09
:rofl: idiot!



S.RES.98

Title: A resolution designating each of April 15, 2009, and April 15, 2010, as "National TEA Party Day".

Sponsor: Sen Vitter, David (introduced 4/2/2009) Cosponsors (None)

Latest Major Action: 4/2/2009 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.



Comment by Random on 04/09/2009 16:37:14
National TEA Party Day?

Will we have to dress up as Indians Native Americans?

Comment by Raine on 04/09/2009 16:43:51
:yadda: to Murray.

Comment by wickedpam on 04/09/2009 16:44:46
Quote by Random:

National TEA Party Day?

Will we have to dress up as Indians Native Americans?






will be meet by the Liberty Tree?

Comment by Scoopster on 04/09/2009 16:47:14
I'm sooo sleepy today! Thinkin' about cutting out early & heading home.. or at least enjoying some of this awesome day.

Comment by Random on 04/09/2009 16:54:15
Comment by Random on 04/09/2009 17:04:10
listening to yesterday's podcast...no one mentioned...Sean said North Korea wants to wipe Isreal off the map.

Comment by Raine on 04/09/2009 17:05:41
Comment by Random on 04/09/2009 17:08:50
cool, another Mark Foley photo from the AP...though it is another old man...weird.

Comment by Random on 04/09/2009 17:12:07


geez...man...that...well...sucks...

He's not much older than me...which is...well still quite young.

Comment by wickedpam on 04/09/2009 17:13:08
Quote by Random:

listening to yesterday's podcast...no one mentioned...Sean said North Korea wants to wipe Isreal off the map.






just like the German's bombed Pearl Harbor ;)

Comment by Random on 04/09/2009 17:18:59
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Random:

listening to yesterday's podcast...no one mentioned...Sean said North Korea wants to wipe Isreal off the map.






just like the German's bombed Pearl Harbor ;)


Except...that was a movie, and done on purpose.

This is Sean, who actually things Germany bombed Pearl Harbor.

Comment by Scoopster on 04/09/2009 17:21:50


Wow man.. way too damn young.

Comment by Random on 04/09/2009 17:22:16
Comment by TriSec on 04/09/2009 17:32:01
Well, I just broke an athenamug when I was washing it. If that's not a metaphor for everything...