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Torturing the Facts
Author: BobR    Date: 05/13/2009 12:37:23

Okay everyone: strap on your your tinfoil hats - it's going to be a bumpy ride. We've got several interconnected stories going on that just have to be connected, but I'll be leaving it to you dear reader to determine what those connections are...

The big story that popped yesterday is that the person tortured until he made up a story connecting Iraq and al-Qaeda just "committed suicide" in prison:
A former CIA high-value detainee, who provided bogus information that was cited by the Bush administration in the run-up to the Iraq war, has died in a Libyan prison, an apparent suicide, according to a Libyan newspaper.

A researcher for Human Rights Watch, who met Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi at the Abu Salim prison in Tripoli late last month, said a contact in Libya had confirmed the death.

Libi was captured fleeing Afghanistan in late 2001, and he vanished into the secret detention system run by the Bush administration. He became the unnamed source, according to Senate investigators, behind Bush administration claims in 2002 and 2003 that Iraq had provided training in chemical and biological weapons to al-Qaeda operatives. The claim was most famously delivered by then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell in his address to the United Nations in February 2003.
[...]
In their book "Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War," Michael Isikoff and David Corn said Libi made up the story about Iraqi training after he was beaten and subjected to a "mock burial" by his Egyptian interrogators, who put him in a cramped box for 17 hours. Libi recanted the story after being returned to CIA custody in 2004...

Committed suicide? Really? Is anyone buying that? It seems a little too convenient that Exhibit A for why torture doesn't work suddenly turns up dead just as Darth Cheney is out pounding the bricks in favor of torture.

So it would seem that Libi was "permanently silenced". Who could have done it? Could it have been the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) which has been called the "Executive assassination wing"? The one commanded by the same guy that Obama just put in charge in Afghanistan?
It was reported on Tuesday that Lieutenant General Stanley McChrystal will be taking over command of US forces in Afghanistan, pending Senate approval.

McChrystal is presently director of the Joint Chiefs staff, but from September 2003 to August 2008, he headed the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), which oversees such elite units as the Army's Delta Force and the Navy SEALs.

Famed investigative reporter Seymour Hersh recently described the JSOC as an "executive assassination wing" controlled for many years by the office of former Vice President Dick Cheney...

(yes, that article is a MUST read)

What else can we throw into this mix? A whistleblower has stated that Gonzales pushed for torture as early as 2002:
As President Bush's top lawyer, Alberto Gonzales pressed counterterror officials to use brutal interrogation techniques on terror suspect Abu Zubaydah in 2002, even when those techniques hindered Zubaydah's cooperation, a former FBI agent who was present is expected to testify Wednesday before Congress.

In the first public testimony of anyone directly involved, former bureau agent Ali Soufan is expected to directly contradict assertions by CIA officials and former Vice President Cheney that the "enhanced interrogation techniques" were successful in prying information out of al Qaeda detainees.
[...]
Soufan will testify that within an hour of Abu Zubaydah's arrival at the secret prison, he was revealing parts of the 9/11 plot and had identified the mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Soufan has contended publicly that the FBI approach to interrogation had been so successful, George Tenet ordered that the gravely ill Zubaydah be kept alive.
[...]
The former operative tells ABC News that the intelligence continued to flow, as Soufan interviewed Zubaydah in the hospital while tending to his recovery. But that all ended when the CIA's team of specialists and a contractor arrived to take over interrogations.
[...]
"We're the United States, we don't do this," Soufan is said to have told the CIA officers. According to the former operative, the CIA officer told Soufan, "It's coming from Alberto Gonzales." Gonzales was then White House counsel to President George W. Bush. Later, he would become Attorney General.
Mitchell used a program that he told those present was called "force continuum," an ascending interrogation program that began with forced nudity, followed by loud music and white noise, temperature manipulation and sleep deprivation for up to 48 hours. According to one officer on the scene, Mitchell said the program was a "strategic approach to diminish his ability to resist" the interrogators.

Soufan, will testify that Zubaydah didn't begin resisting until Mitchell began his tactics, according the source familiar with his upcoming testimony. So, Soufan blew the whistle. According to a Department of Justice inspector general report, Soufan told his superiors at FBI headquarters that Mitchell's interrogation was "borderline torture" and told FBI superiors that he wanted to arrest Mitchell for the treatment of Zubaydah.

Each step of the Mitchell regimen failed, according to the source present at the time...

(bold-face mine)

The last interesting wrinkle here is that congressional Democrats feel that the CIA is out to get them:
Democrats charged Tuesday that the CIA has released documents about congressional briefings on harsh interrogation techniques in order to deflect attention and blame away from itself.

“I think there is so much embarrassment in some quarters [of the CIA] that people are going to try to shift some of the responsibility to others — that’s what I think,” said Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), who sat on the Senate Intelligence Committee and was briefed on interrogation techniques five times between 2006 and 2007.

Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, said he finds it “interesting” that a document detailing congressional briefings was released just as “some of the groups that have been responsible for these interrogation techniques were taking the most criticism.”

Asked whether the CIA was seeking political cover by releasing the documents, Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said: “Sure it is.”

There's certainly a lot of CYA going on here, but it's not clear who's getting thrown under the bus, and who's doing the throwing. The fact that the head of the JSOC - the group best suited for making Zibi's death look like a suicide - is going to be heading up operations in Afghanistan is certainly an interesting wrinkle.

I've provided the dots - now start drawing the lines... :foil:

 

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Comment by Scoopster on 05/13/2009 13:10:37
Mornin' all! :hug:



I've got a feel-good story from my parts today.. about a fellow in RI who grows starter Marijuana plants & brings them to licensed patients. He's not for full legalization or for the proposed state-run dispensaries (he prefers closed caregiver/patient collectives), but that doesn't make his efforts any less noble.

Comment by Random on 05/13/2009 13:24:34
BOO!



Comment by wickedpam on 05/13/2009 13:34:27
Morning :hug:

Comment by Random on 05/13/2009 13:36:48
how is everyone this morning?

Comment by wickedpam on 05/13/2009 13:57:20
just fine - busy, but fine :)

Comment by starling310 on 05/13/2009 13:58:59




Oh don...



Don. Don. Don.



Get your facts straight and call us back buddy.



SHE WAS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!!!

Mmm...not in 2003.

WELL SHE IS NOW SO......SO.....SO.....SOO.....







Comment by Raine on 05/13/2009 14:14:55
Mommy?

Comment by wickedpam on 05/13/2009 14:14:58
I love munester - it doesn't love me though

Comment by Raine on 05/13/2009 14:16:19
Oh did I miss a winger caller? too bad.



::: buffs nails :::

Comment by livingonli on 05/13/2009 14:33:13
Good morning everyone. :yawn:



So, what's up?

Comment by starling310 on 05/13/2009 14:41:11
Like Mos Def said on RealTime "I don't give a shit about Osama. Can we fix New Orleans? . . . Please!"





Comment by starling310 on 05/13/2009 14:42:31
Obama doesn't want to "look back" unless it's to "Avenge 9/11" and "Win the Global War on Terror."





Comment by starling310 on 05/13/2009 14:52:52
True Conservatives ARE for smaller Government, including staying out of people's bedrooms. True Conservatives also respect the Constitution.



The Republican Party are no longer Conservatives.



Comment by wickedpam on 05/13/2009 14:53:38


Comment by starling310 on 05/13/2009 14:54:08
I love when "Conservatives" tell us what we JUST said, when we didn't JUST say anything of the sort. They are usually telling us what THEY said, but saying that we said it. It's an infuriating form of communication.



Comment by wickedpam on 05/13/2009 14:54:32
dude, we don't want your dumb gun, we just want you to register it.

Comment by livingonli on 05/13/2009 14:56:25
The freepers don't ever listen to the shows. They just get their marching orders to call in.

Comment by Raine on 05/13/2009 14:56:49
Quote by starling310:

Like Mos Def said on RealTime "I don't give a shit about Osama. Can we fix New Orleans? . . . Please!"



Loves me some Mos!





Comment by starling310 on 05/13/2009 14:59:31
Quote by wickedpam:

dude, we don't want your dumb gun, we just want you to register it.






And, perhaps pass a Mental Compentency/Gun Operation evalutaion.





Comment by Raine on 05/13/2009 14:59:32
OH No you Di-nt! You Effing coward Caller!~

Comment by wickedpam on 05/13/2009 15:19:39
Quote by starling310:

Quote by wickedpam:

dude, we don't want your dumb gun, we just want you to register it.






And, perhaps pass a Mental Compentency/Gun Operation evalutaion.









and that. ;)

Comment by Raine on 05/13/2009 15:24:31
psst: Mala: Love you. And you know why!

Comment by wickedpam on 05/13/2009 15:32:03
Quote by Raine:

psst: Mala: Love you. And you know why!






lol back attcha :lol:

Comment by wickedpam on 05/13/2009 15:55:20
my grandfathers combined were in 7 major battles of the pacific theatre, protected the coast of the US from subs, and was a German translater for the army - think I have her Trumped.

Comment by wickedpam on 05/13/2009 15:56:47
oh! and I have a great uncle who was a pilot in WWII and 2 of my great aunts were war nurses (I think that's right)

Comment by velveeta jones on 05/13/2009 16:33:58
Afternoon all. Nice blog BobR. Yes, kinda suspect that this man committed suicide.... um... riiiiiggght.



Anywho, I have been out running errands. Just back and looking at the tall, tall grass... wondering if there is a way to make it much shorter without the use of backbreaking work or cost. Thinking about chemicals or fire. But that might be wrong as well.

Comment by Raine on 05/13/2009 17:33:08
Republidad will arriving any moment now!



Comment by Raine on 05/13/2009 17:38:53
So, listening to Thom, Al -Libi - tortured, gave false info, and now is dead,-- So torture works, right?

Comment by Raine on 05/13/2009 18:12:07
WooHOO!



Thom, you scamp! Talking all sexy and stuff!

Comment by Scoopster on 05/13/2009 18:15:19
Quote by Raine:

So, listening to Thom, Al -Libi - tortured, gave false info, and now is dead,-- So torture works, right?




Torture!



http://kellytso.hestia.googlepages.com/sp_pow.gif


Comment by Raine on 05/13/2009 18:16:39
I could have told the doctor this. Hugging is just as important as sex.



Great conversation.

Comment by Scoopster on 05/13/2009 18:41:31
Comment by starling310 on 05/13/2009 18:42:11
Bud.





"If you don't want people to track you on your cell phone and credit cards, don't have them..."



Ummm...no, Bud...I should be able to have a cell phone and still maintain my f*ckin' privacy!!



I am so sick of this false arguement; this false choice.

It's like people who argue that you should either have cable OR heat in the winter.

I didn't realize that the American Dream involved one or the other. I'm sorry, I thought that the "American Dream" allowed people to watch TV AND be warm.

Jesus.



Comment by Scoopster on 05/13/2009 19:07:58
Bud?



That's not a name.. it's a botanical term.

Comment by starling310 on 05/13/2009 20:15:27
Ah. Randi's bell.



I have missed Randi's bell.



Comment by livingonli on 05/13/2009 20:17:11
It's like an old friend.

Comment by livingonli on 05/13/2009 21:23:31
On XM, they are running Rush's PSA's for the Humane Society which not only sound out of character for Rush but are weird hearing while listening to Randi.

Comment by livingonli on 05/13/2009 21:53:13
Laura Flanders will be on The Ed Show again tonight and Lizz will be on Friday. How is he getting the good guests?

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/14/2009 01:01:57
Who's with me on the greatness of KO's new WTF! segment? It's genius I tells ya!

Comment by livingonli on 05/14/2009 01:31:25
Genius! It's smarter than the GOP but these days that doesn't take too much.