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The Sting
Author: BobR
Date: 05/15/2009 05:43:36
Yesterday, the liberal press lived up to its name and went after Cheney, Rove, Gonzales and the rest of the cabal for their rolls in torturing prisoners of war. Naturally, Democrat Nancy Pelosi got a free pass despite allegations that she had been briefed on their plans during secret classified meetings and didn't immediately go public with the classified information.
Oh wait - that's not what happened? The press didn't go after Cheney?... or Rove?... or Gonzales?... They went after Pelosi like piranhas in a bone-cleaning feeding frenzy? The "liberal media"?? Really?
Yes really. For the past couple of days, the press has been raking her over the coals, asking "what did she know and when did she know it?" as if it was HER responsibility to manage the White House's foreign policy. Never mind the guys that decided to use torture, or the guys that tortured the law itself to extract bogus legal rationale for it, or the sick puppies that implemented it. If the press went after them then they would be accused of being partisan liberal media. So instead, they go after the female Speaker of the House, because she's an easier target.
For Chrissakes, Rove practically admitted that they tortured, in print in a column in the Wall Street Journal. How bold is that? Meanwhile, Cheney is on Torture Tour 2009, telling everyone that can stomach it that "torture works". Maybe it's just me, but isn't saying that torture works pretty much admitting that yes, they tortured? On top of that, Cheney - the man who guarded the secrets of the Kingdom as closely as the Colonel guards the recipe of those 16 herbs and spices - is asking for classified documents to be released to prove it. Sadly for him, the rules they put in place to keep that from happening before are keeping it from happening now. Kharma's a bitch.
We have testimony in Congress from a former FBI interrogator that they were getting good info until the CIA showed up and started torturing the captives. We now have the former chief of staff to Colin Powell coming forward and describing how Cheney was pressing for torture to create a link between al-Qaeda and Iraq. So the truth shows how wrong Cheney really is, because torture didn't keep America safe, it got us embroiled in a war of Cheney's choosing. The victim agreed to false information to make the torture stop.
But hey - the CIA said they briefed Pelosi on it, so that's all that matters, right? They wouldn't lie to us would they? Not that bastion of honesty the CIA!...
Except - they apparently did. Bob Graham has shown that the CIA made up two dates where they claimed he'd been briefed (apparently, this isn't the first time that the CIA did this). So the fact that they are making claims about meetings that didn't happen, and information that didn't get disclosed kind of throws into question the whole rationale for the witch hunt swirling around Pelosi. As one would expect (and to some extent - hope), she is fighting back and claiming that the CIA misled her. Again feigned shock - the CIA misled her? The group that was front and center with the torturing? Why would they do that? :sarcasm:
This whole thing stinks of the projection, deflection, and misdirection we've been seeing the last eight years. Whenever some scandal hit the news in years past, it seems like there was always some other more important story that was getting ignored. Like the magician sneaking another ball out of his left pocket while the audience is watching the fancy finger work of the right, we've seen time and again how easily they dupe a complicit press to go after the sensational story, when the important one is right there waiting to be reported, ignored.
It seems too obvious this time, but like all things lately, they seem to have lost their touch. Pelosi is becoming the fall guy for the people that actually request, approved, and performed the torture. I just hope America wakes up and realizes they are being duped again.
Oh wait - that's not what happened? The press didn't go after Cheney?... or Rove?... or Gonzales?... They went after Pelosi like piranhas in a bone-cleaning feeding frenzy? The "liberal media"?? Really?
Yes really. For the past couple of days, the press has been raking her over the coals, asking "what did she know and when did she know it?" as if it was HER responsibility to manage the White House's foreign policy. Never mind the guys that decided to use torture, or the guys that tortured the law itself to extract bogus legal rationale for it, or the sick puppies that implemented it. If the press went after them then they would be accused of being partisan liberal media. So instead, they go after the female Speaker of the House, because she's an easier target.
For Chrissakes, Rove practically admitted that they tortured, in print in a column in the Wall Street Journal. How bold is that? Meanwhile, Cheney is on Torture Tour 2009, telling everyone that can stomach it that "torture works". Maybe it's just me, but isn't saying that torture works pretty much admitting that yes, they tortured? On top of that, Cheney - the man who guarded the secrets of the Kingdom as closely as the Colonel guards the recipe of those 16 herbs and spices - is asking for classified documents to be released to prove it. Sadly for him, the rules they put in place to keep that from happening before are keeping it from happening now. Kharma's a bitch.
We have testimony in Congress from a former FBI interrogator that they were getting good info until the CIA showed up and started torturing the captives. We now have the former chief of staff to Colin Powell coming forward and describing how Cheney was pressing for torture to create a link between al-Qaeda and Iraq. So the truth shows how wrong Cheney really is, because torture didn't keep America safe, it got us embroiled in a war of Cheney's choosing. The victim agreed to false information to make the torture stop.
But hey - the CIA said they briefed Pelosi on it, so that's all that matters, right? They wouldn't lie to us would they? Not that bastion of honesty the CIA!...
Except - they apparently did. Bob Graham has shown that the CIA made up two dates where they claimed he'd been briefed (apparently, this isn't the first time that the CIA did this). So the fact that they are making claims about meetings that didn't happen, and information that didn't get disclosed kind of throws into question the whole rationale for the witch hunt swirling around Pelosi. As one would expect (and to some extent - hope), she is fighting back and claiming that the CIA misled her. Again feigned shock - the CIA misled her? The group that was front and center with the torturing? Why would they do that? :sarcasm:
This whole thing stinks of the projection, deflection, and misdirection we've been seeing the last eight years. Whenever some scandal hit the news in years past, it seems like there was always some other more important story that was getting ignored. Like the magician sneaking another ball out of his left pocket while the audience is watching the fancy finger work of the right, we've seen time and again how easily they dupe a complicit press to go after the sensational story, when the important one is right there waiting to be reported, ignored.
It seems too obvious this time, but like all things lately, they seem to have lost their touch. Pelosi is becoming the fall guy for the people that actually request, approved, and performed the torture. I just hope America wakes up and realizes they are being duped again.
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Comment by 
Scoopster on 05/15/2009 12:34:04
Scoopster on 05/15/2009 12:34:04
Mornin' all & Happy bouncin-back Fridee! 
:boobs:
Personally I think it has much more to do with the ever-present corporate mindset that drives news for ratings and advertising dollars than any kind of political motive. The people working in the media are indeed by-and-large liberal by definition - the bottom line driving decisions tho clearly is only after the dirt and will go for it no matter who it might touch.
:boobs:Personally I think it has much more to do with the ever-present corporate mindset that drives news for ratings and advertising dollars than any kind of political motive. The people working in the media are indeed by-and-large liberal by definition - the bottom line driving decisions tho clearly is only after the dirt and will go for it no matter who it might touch.
Comment by 
BobR on 05/15/2009 13:36:45
I agree that they are opportunistic and go for the sensational, but I also think they're still scared to go after the Republicans.
BobR on 05/15/2009 13:36:45
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all & Happy bouncin-back Fridee!
Personally I think it has much more to do with the ever-present corporate mindset that drives news for ratings and advertising dollars than any kind of political motive. The people working in the media are indeed by-and-large liberal by definition - the bottom line driving decisions tho clearly is only after the dirt and will go for it no matter who it might touch.
I agree that they are opportunistic and go for the sensational, but I also think they're still scared to go after the Republicans.
Comment by 
Raine on 05/15/2009 13:42:25
Raine on 05/15/2009 13:42:25
Good Morning! Excellent analysis --
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Comment by 
starling310 on 05/15/2009 13:47:49
starling310 on 05/15/2009 13:47:49
Anyone who knew about, ordered the use of, or covered up for torture should go to jail. Let's stop throwing around unproven blame and start some investigations.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 05/15/2009 13:52:55
wickedpam on 05/15/2009 13:52:55
Morning! :hug:
Once again off and running on my day off - still preping for the community yard sale. Please send positive vibes that more then just 2 homes participate
I'll try to check back later!
Once again off and running on my day off - still preping for the community yard sale. Please send positive vibes that more then just 2 homes participate
I'll try to check back later!
Comment by starling310 on 05/15/2009 13:54:10
starling310 on 05/15/2009 13:54:10
At least we aren't talking about Kerry Prejean anymore. 
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 13:56:34
Now THAT was torture!
Raine on 05/15/2009 13:56:34
Quote by starling310:
At least we aren't talking about Kerry Prejean anymore.
Now THAT was torture!
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 13:57:16
Raine on 05/15/2009 13:57:16
If I recall correctly, in 2006, the Dems passed a law banning torture-- it was B*SH who vetoed it
!
!
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 13:59:54
Raine on 05/15/2009 13:59:54
Another question -- In 2002,03, 04, and 05 -- WHO Exactly was the speaker of the house?
Oh yeah -- DENNY HASTERT!
Oh yeah -- DENNY HASTERT!
Comment by Scoopster on 05/15/2009 14:01:47
The sausage king of Chicago! :lol:
Scoopster on 05/15/2009 14:01:47
Quote by Raine:
Another question -- In 2002,03, 04, and 05 -- WHO Exactly was the speaker of the house?
Oh yeah -- DENNY HASTERT!
The sausage king of Chicago! :lol:
Comment by Scoopster on 05/15/2009 14:08:38
Scoopster on 05/15/2009 14:08:38
Oh yeah.. I'm curious about Rand Paul's announcement last night about running for Senate seat in 2010 - I didn't hear him say he would be running as a Republican, though it's probably implied.
Comment by starling310 on 05/15/2009 14:14:43
starling310 on 05/15/2009 14:14:43
Chris gets flustered as well when he's being attacked. Just sayin. . .
Someone being a Congress Critter does not make them immuned to get flustered.
It doesn't necessarily mean she's lying.
The fact is we are all just speculating until all of the evidence is released.
Someone being a Congress Critter does not make them immuned to get flustered.
It doesn't necessarily mean she's lying.
The fact is we are all just speculating until all of the evidence is released.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 14:19:08
I tend to agree about that, I want more info released.
I think this will still happen -- it is-- sadly-- a slow process. I also agree with Chris regarding the fact that ever since she took impeachment off the table -- my trust level of her is not so much.
if she covered it up, then shhe should no longer be speaker of the house -- but I really feel that we are losing focus of the people who actually did this.
Raine on 05/15/2009 14:19:08
Quote by starling310:
Chris gets flustered as well when he's being attacked. Just sayin. . .
Someone being a Congress Critter does not make them immuned to get flustered.
It doesn't necessarily mean she's lying.
The fact is we are all just speculating until all of the evidence is released.
I think this will still happen -- it is-- sadly-- a slow process. I also agree with Chris regarding the fact that ever since she took impeachment off the table -- my trust level of her is not so much.
if she covered it up, then shhe should no longer be speaker of the house -- but I really feel that we are losing focus of the people who actually did this.
Comment by starling310 on 05/15/2009 14:20:43
starling310 on 05/15/2009 14:20:43
Iiii....spoke too soon. ...
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 14:21:56
???
Raine on 05/15/2009 14:21:56
Quote by starling310:
Iiii....spoke too soon. ...
???
Comment by starling310 on 05/15/2009 14:22:09
starling310 on 05/15/2009 14:22:09
It also doesn't mean you are immune to breach of private contract. If you sign a contract, and then say or do something contrary of that contract, you can be held to account.
Can we PLEASE move on!????????
Can we PLEASE move on!????????
Comment by starling310 on 05/15/2009 14:23:20
Ms. California Gate.
starling310 on 05/15/2009 14:23:20
Quote by Raine:Quote by starling310:
Iiii....spoke too soon. ...
???
Ms. California Gate.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 14:23:46
Raine on 05/15/2009 14:23:46
:rofl: The pageant girls compilation is perfect. (and annoying as all hell)
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 14:24:18
Ahh --- I see.
:hug:
Raine on 05/15/2009 14:24:18
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:Quote by starling310:
Iiii....spoke too soon. ...
???
Ms. California Gate.
:hug:
Comment by starling310 on 05/15/2009 14:25:30
Yeah, I agree. . . I don't trust her either.
I just think "we" are taking our eye off the ball.
It's no surprise...as Bobber said in his post, it's projection and deflection.
starling310 on 05/15/2009 14:25:30
Quote by Raine:I tend to agree about that, I want more info released.Quote by starling310:
Chris gets flustered as well when he's being attacked. Just sayin. . .
Someone being a Congress Critter does not make them immuned to get flustered.
It doesn't necessarily mean she's lying.
The fact is we are all just speculating until all of the evidence is released.
I think this will still happen -- it is-- sadly-- a slow process. I also agree with Chris regarding the fact that ever since she took impeachment off the table -- my trust level of her is not so much.
if she covered it up, then shhe should no longer be speaker of the house -- but I really feel that we are losing focus of the people who actually did this.
Yeah, I agree. . . I don't trust her either.
I just think "we" are taking our eye off the ball.
It's no surprise...as Bobber said in his post, it's projection and deflection.
Comment by starling310 on 05/15/2009 14:28:43
starling310 on 05/15/2009 14:28:43
Oh CNN and MSNBC are no better...they all follow the same stank of bullshit.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 14:39:32
Raine on 05/15/2009 14:39:32
That is another interesting point -- they were already Torturing when she was told that they were not waterboarding.
Comment by starling310 on 05/15/2009 14:51:11
starling310 on 05/15/2009 14:51:11
What is Chris not getting?!?!? Pelosi said "Bring it on" in terms of Documents.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 14:54:19
I get frustrated about that.
Raine on 05/15/2009 14:54:19
Quote by starling310:
What is Chris not getting?!?!? Pelosi said "Bring it on" in terms of Documents.
I get frustrated about that.
Comment by Scoopster on 05/15/2009 14:56:55
Scoopster on 05/15/2009 14:56:55
Message to Dick Cheney: It's our turn to say 
you can't have the documents!
you can't have the documents!
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 05/15/2009 15:01:40
velveeta jones on 05/15/2009 15:01:40
Hey! Its my DAY OFF!! Ahhhhhhh.
Nice blog BobR (and thanks for letting me inside). The "liberal" media... *snort* if only.
Nice blog BobR (and thanks for letting me inside). The "liberal" media... *snort* if only.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 15:02:04
From what I understood, he asked the CIA to release them, the CIA saaid no because you need to file a FOI request, since the memos are currently involved in a court case.
Now let me get this in right (becuase I am a bit confused)
Dick and his merry band of tortures said that info needed to be kept secret for NAtional security reasons, NOW thinks he can just walk up to the CIA and make the previously SECRET memos public with a snap of his old white fingers?
Raine on 05/15/2009 15:02:04
Quote by Scoopster:
Message to Dick Cheney: It's our turn to say
Now let me get this in right (becuase I am a bit confused)
Dick and his merry band of tortures said that info needed to be kept secret for NAtional security reasons, NOW thinks he can just walk up to the CIA and make the previously SECRET memos public with a snap of his old white fingers?
Comment by Scoopster on 05/15/2009 15:07:47
Oh course he does.
And if you disagree.... :pirate:
Scoopster on 05/15/2009 15:07:47
Quote by Raine:From what I understood, he asked the CIA to release them, the CIA saaid no because you need to file a FOI request, since the memos are currently involved in a court case.Quote by Scoopster:
Message to Dick Cheney: It's our turn to say
Now let me get this in right (becuase I am a bit confused)
Dick and his merry band of tortures said that info needed to be kept secret for NAtional security reasons, NOW thinks he can just walk up to the CIA and make the previously SECRET memos public with a snap of his old white fingers?
Oh course he does.
And if you disagree.... :pirate:
Comment by 
livingonli on 05/15/2009 15:11:26
livingonli on 05/15/2009 15:11:26
Good morning everyone. 
I didn't sleep very well last night. Too much worry.
And I have seen for years how the corporate media has not been that liberal and has often followed the Republican line, they only look liberal compared to the open propaganda of Fox News.
I didn't sleep very well last night. Too much worry.
And I have seen for years how the corporate media has not been that liberal and has often followed the Republican line, they only look liberal compared to the open propaganda of Fox News.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 15:11:49
Raine on 05/15/2009 15:11:49
A designer Vagina? That would be Vasigner?
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 15:18:46
Raine on 05/15/2009 15:18:46
Wow --- this guy is pretty cool.
Comment by Scoopster on 05/15/2009 15:20:16
Scoopster on 05/15/2009 15:20:16
It could be Vagner...
Comment by BobR on 05/15/2009 15:21:46
Vagina - Bill Blass Edition
Gloria Vaginerbilt
Calvin Vagine
finally - one word: MizVAHgina!
BobR on 05/15/2009 15:21:46
Quote by Raine:
A designer Vagina? That would be Vasigner?
Vagina - Bill Blass Edition
Gloria Vaginerbilt
Calvin Vagine
finally - one word: MizVAHgina!
Comment by velveeta jones on 05/15/2009 15:23:29
When irony works for the good guys. :lol:
velveeta jones on 05/15/2009 15:23:29
Quote by Raine:From what I understood, he asked the CIA to release them, the CIA saaid no because you need to file a FOI request, since the memos are currently involved in a court case.Quote by Scoopster:
Message to Dick Cheney: It's our turn to say
Now let me get this in right (becuase I am a bit confused)
Dick and his merry band of tortures said that info needed to be kept secret for NAtional security reasons, NOW thinks he can just walk up to the CIA and make the previously SECRET memos public with a snap of his old white fingers?
When irony works for the good guys. :lol:
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 15:25:53
Raine on 05/15/2009 15:25:53
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
A designer Vagina? That would be Vasigner?
Vagina - Bill Blass Edition
Gloria Vaginerbilt
Calvin Vagine
finally - one word: MizVAHgina!
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 15:28:48
I mean Seriously--- if he filed a FOA request -- as the LAW states, he might have actually gotten those memos--
He is such a psycopath that he would even follow those basic rules.
Raine on 05/15/2009 15:28:48
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:From what I understood, he asked the CIA to release them, the CIA saaid no because you need to file a FOI request, since the memos are currently involved in a court case.Quote by Scoopster:
Message to Dick Cheney: It's our turn to say
Now let me get this in right (becuase I am a bit confused)
Dick and his merry band of tortures said that info needed to be kept secret for NAtional security reasons, NOW thinks he can just walk up to the CIA and make the previously SECRET memos public with a snap of his old white fingers?
When irony works for the good guys. :lol:
He is such a psycopath that he would even follow those basic rules.
Comment by velveeta jones on 05/15/2009 15:30:00
velveeta jones on 05/15/2009 15:30:00
BTW: if the torture photos do end up getting released, lets be sure that they get donated AND HUNG in the upcoming George W. Bush "Presidential" Library!!
Comment by livingonli on 05/15/2009 15:31:02
livingonli on 05/15/2009 15:31:02
Cheney is a Sociopath just like Chimpy. I think they both would flunk a psychiatric exam.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 15:33:20
I have been hearing rumblings that they may get leaked. -- Still looking for a confirmed source, but Australia may have a copy of them.
they actaully were the ones who leaked additional photos when the Abu Garaib pics came out.
Then there is this: Rumours (NOT confirmed -- ) some of those pics might be of Children.
I do not want to see them --
Actually I take that back -- I want to see them if Iam on A JURY and they are used as EVIDENCE to prosecute these F*ckers.
Raine on 05/15/2009 15:33:20
Quote by velveeta jones:
BTW: if the torture photos do end up getting released, lets be sure that they get donated AND HUNG in the upcoming George W. Bush "Presidential" Library!!
I have been hearing rumblings that they may get leaked. -- Still looking for a confirmed source, but Australia may have a copy of them.
they actaully were the ones who leaked additional photos when the Abu Garaib pics came out.
Then there is this: Rumours (NOT confirmed -- ) some of those pics might be of Children.
I do not want to see them --
Actually I take that back -- I want to see them if Iam on A JURY and they are used as EVIDENCE to prosecute these F*ckers.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 15:50:46
Raine on 05/15/2009 15:50:46
mmmhmmmm....
Comment by starling310 on 05/15/2009 15:52:22
starling310 on 05/15/2009 15:52:22
That's an interesting point:
It would be curious to know how many torture supporters are ADAMANTLY OPPOSED to spanking their children. Hmmm....just would be curious to see where they fall on the hypocrisy scale.
It would be curious to know how many torture supporters are ADAMANTLY OPPOSED to spanking their children. Hmmm....just would be curious to see where they fall on the hypocrisy scale.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 15:54:55
Raine on 05/15/2009 15:54:55
TMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by livingonli on 05/15/2009 15:56:30
If they are from some of these right-wing churches, they might actually be pro-corporal punishment. Some of them have opposed school bans against spanking.
livingonli on 05/15/2009 15:56:30
Quote by starling310:
That's an interesting point:
It would be curious to know how many torture supporters are ADAMANTLY OPPOSED to spanking their children. Hmmm....just would be curious to see where they fall on the hypocrisy scale.
If they are from some of these right-wing churches, they might actually be pro-corporal punishment. Some of them have opposed school bans against spanking.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 16:03:33
Raine on 05/15/2009 16:03:33
***Warning***
There is a photo at this link.
New 'prisoner abuse' photographs emerge despite US bid to block publication
There is a photo at this link.
New 'prisoner abuse' photographs emerge despite US bid to block publication
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 16:30:24
Raine on 05/15/2009 16:30:24
May not be 100% work safe...
Nintendi Wii FAIL
Nintendi Wii FAIL
Comment by starling310 on 05/15/2009 17:44:03
starling310 on 05/15/2009 17:44:03
Woh. Woh. Dave...settle down.
Who yells at Thom!?
Who yells at Thom!?
Comment by Scoopster on 05/15/2009 18:02:22
Scoopster on 05/15/2009 18:02:22
Ahhh.. just uninstalled Norton 2006 from my computer here at the office, and I swear the thing's running about five times faster.
Comment by Scoopster on 05/15/2009 18:06:16
Scoopster on 05/15/2009 18:06:16
Interesting story.. court rules against parents refusing chemo for their child.
This one's a tough read, and a tough one to pick a side on I think..
This one's a tough read, and a tough one to pick a side on I think..
Comment by livingonli on 05/15/2009 18:39:27
livingonli on 05/15/2009 18:39:27
Time to go head off to the salt mine.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 18:49:03
Raine on 05/15/2009 18:49:03
Well we have returned from a loverly picnic in the park and a visit to the Bark park.
What is this? someone yelled a THOM?
What is this? someone yelled a THOM?
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 18:54:12
Raine on 05/15/2009 18:54:12
Comment by BobR on 05/15/2009 18:55:28
The default Norton installation definitely needs some tweaking. You need to remove certain file types from being "live scanned", especially things like databases that you update or access regularly.
BobR on 05/15/2009 18:55:28
Quote by Scoopster:
Ahhh.. just uninstalled Norton 2006 from my computer here at the office, and I swear the thing's running about five times faster.
The default Norton installation definitely needs some tweaking. You need to remove certain file types from being "live scanned", especially things like databases that you update or access regularly.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 19:07:47
IT's Friday ya bastahds!!
:boobs2:
:boobs2:
:boobs2: 
:guitar::boobs2:
:boobs2:
:boobs2:
:boobs2:
Bounce!!
Raine on 05/15/2009 19:07:47
:boobs2:
:boobs2:
:boobs2:
:guitar::boobs2: :boobs2:
:boobs2:
:boobs2:
Bounce!!
Comment by BobR on 05/15/2009 19:10:04
:bounce:
:boobs2: :boobs2:
:Beer:
:boobs2: :boobs2:
:bounce:
BobR on 05/15/2009 19:10:04
:boobs2:
:boobs2::Beer:
:boobs2:
:boobs2::bounce:
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 19:11:00
Raine on 05/15/2009 19:11:00
That story is FALSE!!!!
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 05/15/2009 19:14:25
Oliver!
trojanrabbit on 05/15/2009 19:14:25
Quote by Raine:
May not be 100% work safe...
Nintendi Wii FAIL
Oliver!
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 19:16:24
Raine on 05/15/2009 19:16:24
I would like to know where Randi is getting this information about California.
THAT RULING HAPPENED A YEAR AGO.
THAT RULING HAPPENED A YEAR AGO.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 19:17:31
Raine on 05/15/2009 19:17:31
FROM THE LA TIMES:
LATimes FTR note: Earlier [removed] tweet linked to a May 16, 2008 Prop 8 story + does not reflect any new news. Original story http://bit.ly/hhwEg
LATimes FTR note: Earlier [removed] tweet linked to a May 16, 2008 Prop 8 story + does not reflect any new news. Original story http://bit.ly/hhwEg
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 20:12:03
Raine on 05/15/2009 20:12:03
Amen Randi. I have always loved her stance on bigotry.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 20:24:27
Raine on 05/15/2009 20:24:27
STFU Newt Gingrich
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 20:24:27
Raine on 05/15/2009 20:24:27
STFU Newt Gingrich
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 20:41:45
Raine on 05/15/2009 20:41:45
Let's make one thing clear - Nancy Pelosi did not authorize torture.
I am really happy that the Wilkerson article is gaining speed.
I am really happy that the Wilkerson article is gaining speed.
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 05/15/2009 21:34:58
Nancy Pelosi never had the authority to approve torture. She may or may not have known about it.
Wilkerson, in his role as an official in the Bush-Cheney administration, adds great credibility to those opposing torture. His is a criticism from someone with a history of public service whom cannot be lightly dismisses.
I hope that everyone has been well during the time that I was away and offline. I moved but did not get the internet running till yesterday. There were also some log in issues for the blog, but not the board, which seem to be cleared up. (Thanks to whoever did so.)
It's great to be back here at Four Freedoms.
Will in Chicago on 05/15/2009 21:34:58
Quote by Raine:
Let's make one thing clear - Nancy Pelosi did not authorize torture.
I am really happy that the Wilkerson article is gaining speed.
Nancy Pelosi never had the authority to approve torture. She may or may not have known about it.
Wilkerson, in his role as an official in the Bush-Cheney administration, adds great credibility to those opposing torture. His is a criticism from someone with a history of public service whom cannot be lightly dismisses.
I hope that everyone has been well during the time that I was away and offline. I moved but did not get the internet running till yesterday. There were also some log in issues for the blog, but not the board, which seem to be cleared up. (Thanks to whoever did so.)
It's great to be back here at Four Freedoms.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 21:37:31
Welcome back Will! how is the new place?
I think the B-log-In issues have been resolved. That Wilkerson article is a stunner. Everyone needs to read it.
Raine on 05/15/2009 21:37:31
Quote by Will in Phoenix:Quote by Raine:
Let's make one thing clear - Nancy Pelosi did not authorize torture.
I am really happy that the Wilkerson article is gaining speed.
Nancy Pelosi never had the authority to approve torture. She may or may not have known about it.
Wilkerson, in his role as an official in the Bush-Cheney administration, adds great credibility to those opposing torture. His is a criticism from someone with a history of public service whom cannot be lightly dismisses.
I hope that everyone has been well during the time that I was away and offline. I moved but did not get the internet running till yesterday. There were also some log in issues for the blog, but not the board, which seem to be cleared up. (Thanks to whoever did so.)
It's great to be back here at Four Freedoms.
I think the B-log-In issues have been resolved. That Wilkerson article is a stunner. Everyone needs to read it.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 21:38:50
Raine on 05/15/2009 21:38:50
Randi is actually veering VERY close to the Pinochet Model of Governance.
Comment by livingonli on 05/15/2009 21:56:38
What's she saying? I can't listen when I am at work.
livingonli on 05/15/2009 21:56:38
Quote by Raine:
Randi is actually veering VERY close to the Pinochet Model of Governance.
What's she saying? I can't listen when I am at work.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 22:01:31
She was describing what B*sh Cheney et all were doing -- regarding torture for political purposes, the woretapping etc... the permanent majority etc.
you should nab the Podcast if you can She was really good today.
Raine on 05/15/2009 22:01:31
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:
Randi is actually veering VERY close to the Pinochet Model of Governance.
What's she saying? I can't listen when I am at work.
She was describing what B*sh Cheney et all were doing -- regarding torture for political purposes, the woretapping etc... the permanent majority etc.
you should nab the Podcast if you can She was really good today.
Comment by Raine on 05/15/2009 22:49:42
Raine on 05/15/2009 22:49:42
Comment by Will in Chicago on 05/15/2009 23:10:16
The new place is great, and my dog Holly is very happy with it as well.
I read the Wilkerson piece and Jeff Farias read it on the air on KXXT 1010 AM this morning. (He is still streaming 6 PM to 9 PM Eastern at http://www.thejefffariasshow.com, He is also being carried by Roots Up Radio.
The Progressive Knights of the Round Table program at UNN is also on Roots Up Radio, from 11 PM to 2 AM Eastern on Saturday nights. Anyone who is signed up at UNN -- and we have a lot here -- can sign up for the panel.
Will in Chicago on 05/15/2009 23:10:16
Quote by Raine:Welcome back Will! how is the new place?Quote by Will in Phoenix:Quote by Raine:
Let's make one thing clear - Nancy Pelosi did not authorize torture.
I am really happy that the Wilkerson article is gaining speed.
Nancy Pelosi never had the authority to approve torture. She may or may not have known about it.
Wilkerson, in his role as an official in the Bush-Cheney administration, adds great credibility to those opposing torture. His is a criticism from someone with a history of public service whom cannot be lightly dismisses.
I hope that everyone has been well during the time that I was away and offline. I moved but did not get the internet running till yesterday. There were also some log in issues for the blog, but not the board, which seem to be cleared up. (Thanks to whoever did so.)
It's great to be back here at Four Freedoms.
I think the B-log-In issues have been resolved. That Wilkerson article is a stunner. Everyone needs to read it.
The new place is great, and my dog Holly is very happy with it as well.
I read the Wilkerson piece and Jeff Farias read it on the air on KXXT 1010 AM this morning. (He is still streaming 6 PM to 9 PM Eastern at http://www.thejefffariasshow.com, He is also being carried by Roots Up Radio.
The Progressive Knights of the Round Table program at UNN is also on Roots Up Radio, from 11 PM to 2 AM Eastern on Saturday nights. Anyone who is signed up at UNN -- and we have a lot here -- can sign up for the panel.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 05/16/2009 00:52:51
To quote Euripides, "Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad."
I am also reminded of the words of Samuel Johnson: "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
Will in Chicago on 05/16/2009 00:52:51
Quote by Raine:
They are fucking losing thier ever loving crazy minds.
To quote Euripides, "Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad."
I am also reminded of the words of Samuel Johnson: "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
Comment by 
TriSec on 05/16/2009 01:15:04
TriSec on 05/16/2009 01:15:04
Evening, folks.
:bounce:
<-- better late than never.
Bah.
:bounce:
<-- better late than never.Bah.
Comment by TriSec on 05/16/2009 01:44:27
TriSec on 05/16/2009 01:44:27
Nobody likes me,
Everybody hates me!
I'm gonna eat some worms.
Long, slim slimy ones,
Short, fat juicy ones,
Itsy, bitsy, fuzzy, wuzzy worms.
First you get a bucket,
Then you get a shovel,
Oh how they wiggle and squirm.
First you pull the heads off,
Then you suck the guts out.
Oh how they wiggle and squirm.
Down goes the first one,
Down goes the second one,
Oh how they wiggle and squirm.
Up comes the first one,
Up comes the second one,
Oh how they wiggle and squirm.
Everybody likes me,
Nobody hates me!
Why did I eat those worms?
Chop up their heads and
Squeeze out their juice,
And throw their tails away.
Nobody knows how I survive
On worms three times a day!
Nobody likes me,
Everybody hates me!
I'm gonna eat some worms.
Nobody likes me,
Everybody hates me!
I'm gonna eat some worms.
Nobody likes me,
Everybody hates me!
I'm gonna eat some worms.
Nobody likes me,
Everybody hates me!
I'm gonna eat some worms.
Everybody hates me!
I'm gonna eat some worms.
Long, slim slimy ones,
Short, fat juicy ones,
Itsy, bitsy, fuzzy, wuzzy worms.
First you get a bucket,
Then you get a shovel,
Oh how they wiggle and squirm.
First you pull the heads off,
Then you suck the guts out.
Oh how they wiggle and squirm.
Down goes the first one,
Down goes the second one,
Oh how they wiggle and squirm.
Up comes the first one,
Up comes the second one,
Oh how they wiggle and squirm.
Everybody likes me,
Nobody hates me!
Why did I eat those worms?
Chop up their heads and
Squeeze out their juice,
And throw their tails away.
Nobody knows how I survive
On worms three times a day!
Nobody likes me,
Everybody hates me!
I'm gonna eat some worms.
Nobody likes me,
Everybody hates me!
I'm gonna eat some worms.
Nobody likes me,
Everybody hates me!
I'm gonna eat some worms.
Nobody likes me,
Everybody hates me!
I'm gonna eat some worms.
Comment by livingonli on 05/16/2009 04:17:36
livingonli on 05/16/2009 04:17:36
And I thought I felt unloved these days.