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Lord of the Flies
Author: BobR    Date: 08/07/2009 12:29:48


"We've got to have rules and obey them. After all, we're not savages. We're English, and the English are best at everything."

"Kill the beast! Cut his throat! Spill his blood!"


- from "Lord of the Flies" by William Golding


William Golding's first novel describes children descending into savagery on a remote island when left without adult supervision. It is a particularly grim indictment of human nature, describing how easily mob rule can overcome our civilized upbringing. It shows what people can do when fear guides their actions in the absence of reason.

I was reminded of this yesterday when I read the news of a town hall meeting on healthcare reform in Tampa, where emotions came to a boil and violence broke out. It certainly raises questions of "how did we get here?" and "where is this going?". It seems the crazies are coming out of the woodwork and getting louder.... and crazier. Is this some new breed of animal? I don't think so. I think they've been here all along. I think there's another explanation.

I remember very well the organized Republican political machine of the 80s. They worked hand in hand with the Moral Majority and Christian coalitions to reach out and mobilize voters for their regressive agenda. Their leaders gave simple directives and focused on simple issues, and their supporters toed the line.

After losing the presidency to Clinton in '94, they coarsened the debate. With Newt Gingrich at the helm (and later Tom DeLay), they belittled and dehumanized the opposition using carefully chosen words sent down from a very organized leadership.

In the 90s (and especially after 9/11), the leadership drove home the idea that the opposition (Democrats, liberals, and progressives) were not just misguided, but dangerous. We were painted as "terrorist-appeasers" and "the blame America first crowd". The word "liberal" was spit out with disdain, as if giving voice to it instantly created an oily foul residue on the tongue.

And then... the leadership evaporated.

There was very little of it left in the waning days of the Bush presidency, but it was gone after Barack Obama was elected. With no one left taking the helm in DC, the core that was left found themselves in disarray, like children on a deserted island. They initially tried to organize by selecting a leader for the RNC, but that didn't really help. The senior members of the party left in the House have tried to set the debate, but it's too civilized to satisfy the bloodlust that has been stirred up for the past two decades.

No, these people need a monster to fear, and absent one being presented from the leadership in DC, they are taking their cues from the media: Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity... These are the people that are truly in charge (just ask RNC chief Michael Steele, who was forced to apologize to Limbaugh after making comments about him). These are the "Jack"s that are using fear of some ephemeral beast to manipulate their followers. The recent spate of hysterical protesters at town meetings are symptomatic of that.

Where this will end up remains to be seen, but recent events do not bode well. We've already seen churches shot up for being "liberal", and a physician killed for occasionally performing a controversial legal medical procedure. Yesterday's town hall meeting shows that the fear and loathing capable of roiling into violence is not just the purview of the truly mentally unstable. I fear that it will require the death of a "common citizen" at one of these meetings before they get the wake-up call they need.

There will always be those that are fearful of and angry at the world. They will lash out at those they perceive to be a threat. It does not serve our society well, however, to have ego-driven media celebrities manipulate them to assuage their own lust for power. Once they have put on their war paint and started chanting with the mob, only fear and anger will control their actions.

That descent into savagery has already begun. Will someone in the Republican party reverse the mob's course?... or will they worship at the altar of the Lord of the Flies, and sacrifice the lives of liberals to appease their false god?

 

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Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 12:48:11
Morning :hug:



These "mobs" scare me - I don't think I've ever seen such hatred.





I"ve been listening more and more to a song of the Dixie Chick that's really struck a cord with me



I Hope









Sunday morning, I heard the preacher say

Thou shall not kill

I don't wanna, hear nothin' else, about killin'

And that it's God's will

Cuz our children are watching us

They put their trust in us

They're gonna be like us

So let's learn from our history

And do it differently



CHORUS:

I hope

For love, joy and laughter

I hope

We'll have more than we'll ever need

I hope

We'll have more happy ever afters

I hope

We can all live more fearlessly

And we can lose all the pain and misery

I hope, I hope



Oh Rosie, her man he gets too rough

And all she can say, is he's a good man

He don't mean no harm

He was just brought up that way

But our children are watching us

They put their trust in us

They're gonna be like us

It's okay for us to disagree

We can work it out lovingly




For I hope

For love, joy and laughter

I hope

You'll have more than you'll ever need

I hope

You'll have more happy ever afters

I hope

And you can all live more fearlessly

And you can lose all your pain and misery

I hope, I hope





There must be a way to change what's going on

No, I don't have all the answers, but

I hope

For more love, more joy and laughter

I hope

you'll have more than you'll ever need

I hope

There'll be more happy ever afters

I hope

We can all live more fearlessly

And we can lose all the pain and misery, we can lose all the pain and misery



I hope, I hope





I hope

I hope

I hope



Comment by Scoopster on 08/07/2009 12:58:54
Morning folks & happy Fridee!!

Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 13:09:01
BTW -



Happy B-Day Clint and Happy Early B-Day Tri!!!!



:party
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Comment by TriSec on 08/07/2009 13:09:38
Good God, Bob.



I've been carrying the paperwork for an FID card around in my messenger bag since the 2004 election. I thought we were off the hook after last year, but maybe it's time to follow through?





Comment by velveeta jones on 08/07/2009 13:10:34
Hello blog!!! :hug:

Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 13:11:38
MGM Shout Out!

Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 13:12:10
Hey Vel! Have a JOnas Bros headache yet

Comment by Scoopster on 08/07/2009 13:15:03
*takes Yankee hat off for a moment*



What the heck is the deal with people pissing on Francona? Smoltz was pitching just fine thru the first three innings, hell he was better than Joba Chamberlain, yet the baseball gang on the bus to work today was like 'FRANCONA SUCKS HE LEFT SMOLTZ IN TOO LONG'.

Comment by Scoopster on 08/07/2009 13:19:25
Overall unemployment rate drops .1%?



Not enough for us to notice it unfortunately.. but perhaps a sign of better things to come.





Comment by Raine on 08/07/2009 13:35:51
Good morning!!! The blog scared me this morning.

Comment by BobR on 08/07/2009 13:52:37
A sure sign of the impending apocalypse: the black plague is resurgent... (in China).

Comment by velveeta jones on 08/07/2009 13:54:45
And.........goodbye blog. Off in search of Medicaid Madness and a trip to the library for summertime school reading. Oh, is summer almost over? Oh well.

Comment by Scoopster on 08/07/2009 14:02:55
Ooof.. work beckons! I'll be back when I have a free moment.

Comment by Raine on 08/07/2009 14:11:23
So the unemployment rate dropped and what foes the Boner say?



"Today's unemployment report is yet another reminder that more spending, taxing, and borrowing does not mean more jobs for the American people. Instead of rewriting history on their 'stimulus' promises, Washington Democrats should abandon their job-killing agenda," said Boehner in a release. "Rather than pushing an increasingly unpopular government takeover of health care that will increase costs, drive up the deficit, raise taxes, and destroy jobs, Democratic leaders would be well-served to work with Republicans on real reforms that expand Americans' access to affordable health care and help small businesses create more jobs."

Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/07/2009 14:15:56
Quote by Scoopster:

Overall unemployment rate drops .1%?



Not enough for us to notice it unfortunately.. but perhaps a sign of better things to come.







I think it's more an effect of people falling off the unemployment rolls, like my wife. She's been trying to call in for the benefits extension for the last 2 days to no avail.

Comment by Raine on 08/07/2009 14:20:12
This is slightly uncomfortable....

Comment by Scoopster on 08/07/2009 14:31:39


I'm counting the seconds before this is vandalized as the "Liberals Brainwashing our Babies Act" by Glenn Beck

Comment by Raine on 08/07/2009 14:40:30
Quote by Scoopster:



I'm counting the seconds before this is vandalized as the "Liberals Brainwashing our Babies Act" by Glenn Beck


I thought nealy the same-- Altho more along the lines of Obama Socialistic Endoctrine Act

Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 14:44:59
Quote by Raine:

This is slightly uncomfortable....






what I miss?

Comment by Raine on 08/07/2009 14:46:25
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

This is slightly uncomfortable....






what I miss?


Well they sentenced the penis pump Judge... and jim did a courtroom re-enating of his sentencing... I suspect you can figure it out from there.

Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 14:53:27
Quote by Raine:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

This is slightly uncomfortable....






what I miss?


Well they sentenced the penis pump Judge... and jim did a courtroom re-enating of his sentencing... I suspect you can figure it out from there.






Yeah, think I got the pix ;)

Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 14:54:40
what was the rally website that THom was talking about yesterday?

Comment by starling310 on 08/07/2009 14:57:13
Wow. I am so glad that for some reason my stream is completely F*CKED up as soon as Thom comes in the studio!!!

WTF?!?!?!



Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 15:14:46
you now its not gonna go well when they start out at "you liberals"

Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 15:15:32
why 7 only for African Americans? how about lower for everyone?

Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 15:16:29
I could if I wanted too. 190 bucks is cheap for a monthy car payment

Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 15:19:01
that's a good tag line!



A Healthy America is a Strong America - thank you caller

Comment by TriSec on 08/07/2009 15:27:35
Quote by Scoopster:

*takes Yankee hat off for a moment*



What the heck is the deal with people pissing on Francona? Smoltz was pitching just fine thru the first three innings, hell he was better than Joba Chamberlain, yet the baseball gang on the bus to work today was like 'FRANCONA SUCKS HE LEFT SMOLTZ IN TOO LONG'.




Ah, you're missing the point. The problem is not that Terry left Smoltz in too long, the problem is that he let him start at all.





Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 15:28:00


Comment by livingonli on 08/07/2009 15:33:37
Good morning everyone.



I finally get up and the crazy callers come out of the woodwork.

Comment by Scoopster on 08/07/2009 15:34:18
Quote by TriSec:

Quote by Scoopster:

*takes Yankee hat off for a moment*



What the heck is the deal with people pissing on Francona? Smoltz was pitching just fine thru the first three innings, hell he was better than Joba Chamberlain, yet the baseball gang on the bus to work today was like 'FRANCONA SUCKS HE LEFT SMOLTZ IN TOO LONG'.




Ah, you're missing the point. The problem is not that Terry left Smoltz in too long, the problem is that he let him start at all.


*Yankee hat back on* I see no problem in that at all!

Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/07/2009 15:45:24
Quote by TriSec:

Quote by Scoopster:

*takes Yankee hat off for a moment*



What the heck is the deal with people pissing on Francona? Smoltz was pitching just fine thru the first three innings, hell he was better than Joba Chamberlain, yet the baseball gang on the bus to work today was like 'FRANCONA SUCKS HE LEFT SMOLTZ IN TOO LONG'.




Ah, you're missing the point. The problem is not that Terry left Smoltz in too long, the problem is that he let him start at all.





Somehow, getting rid of Masterson doesn't seem to be that good of an idea any more.



Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 15:51:26
There is no complete bill yet. How many times do we have to inform people of that?

Comment by Raine on 08/07/2009 15:53:34
Quote by wickedpam:

There is no complete bill yet. How many times do we have to inform people of that?


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Comment by livingonli on 08/07/2009 15:58:41
right-wingers are just not very good with that thing called facts.

Comment by Raine on 08/07/2009 16:03:49
So Mel Martinez is resigning, huh? He must have been Palinized...

Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 16:04:21
Quote by Raine:

Quote by wickedpam:

There is no complete bill yet. How many times do we have to inform people of that?


Wash Rinse Repeat Wash Rinse Repeat Wash Rinse Repeat Wash Rinse Repeat Wash Rinse Repeat Wash Rinse RepeatWash Rinse Repeat Wash Rinse Repeat Wash Rinse Repeat Wash Rinse Repeat Wash Rinse Repeat Wash Rinse Repeat Wash Rinse Repeat






all that does is make run out of shampoo

Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 16:05:06
Quote by Raine:

So Mel Martinez is resigning, huh? He must have been Palinized...






not sure why yet - someone speculated that it had something to do with his vote for our new Justice

Comment by Raine on 08/07/2009 16:05:52
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

So Mel Martinez is resigning, huh? He must have been Palinized...






not sure why yet - someone speculated that it had something to do with his vote for our new Justice


I smell C Street and "the Family"

Comment by Raine on 08/07/2009 16:07:48
I small a gay scandal with MArtinez, to tell the truth (wearing my foil hat)

Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 16:10:23
Quote by Raine:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

So Mel Martinez is resigning, huh? He must have been Palinized...






not sure why yet - someone speculated that it had something to do with his vote for our new Justice


I smell C Street and "the Family"






really?! oh my.

Comment by livingonli on 08/07/2009 16:19:49
The christian mafia strikes again.

Comment by Raine on 08/07/2009 16:23:59
I never knew the best way to save a marriage was to move out.
"I am so thankful for the overwhelming support and prayers we have received from people all across South Carolina. I am literally in awe of how blessed we are to have such love and support from family and friends, old and new. It is with this support, and after much careful and prayerful consideration, that I have decided to move back to our home in Charleston with our sons for the upcoming school year. From there, we will work to continue the process of healing our family. While we will be leaving Columbia, we will return often, and I will remain engaged in activities in my role as First Lady, acknowledging that my responsibilities to my family come first. Once again, when it comes to personal family matters like this, I respectfully ask that members of the media allow us to go on with our lives in peace."


Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 16:32:30
I feel kinda sad for her really

Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/07/2009 16:41:14
Of course she wants the members of the media to leave HER family alone in peace. Different when the shoe's on the other foot (a D's foot that is)

Comment by Scoopster on 08/07/2009 16:41:53
Krugman today is hilarious..

There was a telling incident at a town hall held by Representative Gene Green, D-Tex. An activist turned to his fellow attendees and asked if they “oppose any form of socialized or government-run health care.” Nearly all did. Then Representative Green asked how many of those present were on Medicare. Almost half raised their hands.


Comment by livingonli on 08/07/2009 16:57:30
Quote by Scoopster:

Krugman today is hilarious..

There was a telling incident at a town hall held by Representative Gene Green, D-Tex. An activist turned to his fellow attendees and asked if they “oppose any form of socialized or government-run health care.” Nearly all did. Then Representative Green asked how many of those present were on Medicare. Almost half raised their hands.


:rofl:

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/07/2009 17:05:26
Comment by Scoopster on 08/07/2009 17:08:12
Comment by Scoopster on 08/07/2009 17:09:02




They only kept him on staff as a solid to John Hughes anyways..

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/07/2009 17:13:35
Quote by Scoopster:

Ok this is just too weird.




Why when women start marrying fairground rides it'll lead to lettin' the gays git married!

Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 17:43:20
this guy is all over the place

Comment by livingonli on 08/07/2009 17:44:49
can the right-wing callers to Thom be any dumber or more brainwashed

Comment by Scoopster on 08/07/2009 17:49:16
Interesting observation - if you superimpose the Onion News Network graphics over Glenn Beck's show, it makes sense.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/07/2009 17:55:56
Quote by Scoopster:

Interesting observation - if you superimpose the Onion News Network graphics over Glenn Beck's show, it makes sense.




Hm yes I see. But the Onion is funny.

Comment by livingonli on 08/07/2009 18:59:45
Off to the salt mine I go.

Comment by Scoopster on 08/07/2009 18:59:55
Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 19:04:19
So who here knows programming?

Comment by Scoopster on 08/07/2009 19:15:21
Petition to Glenn Beck advertisers



Three companies is a good start, but it's not the end.

Comment by Scoopster on 08/07/2009 19:22:02
Ughh.. what the fuck with this shit.





Comment by Scoopster on 08/07/2009 19:31:38
Sorry bout that.. I hope I didn't melt anyone's brain with that vid.

Comment by Scoopster on 08/07/2009 19:58:05
Oooh.. bit late but

Comment by Raine on 08/07/2009 20:09:07
Quote by Scoopster:

Ughh.. what the fuck with this shit.





WTF.





Comment by Mondobubba on 08/07/2009 20:26:41
Quote by Scoopster:

Ughh.. what the fuck with this shit.









As usual Glenn Beck has his head up his already gaping asshole. The website crazy pants is talking about is is for dealers only. The cars.gov website does nothing of the sort. I remember seeing something on the Tubes the other day about this.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/07/2009 20:27:49
So this would make Glenn Beck a what? Yes right a LYING SACK OF STINKING CRAP

Hit it guys!

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/07/2009 20:28:16
Mondo regrets his hasty posting error. Nothing to see here, move along.

Comment by Raine on 08/07/2009 20:31:38
Glenn beck is a hate propagandist. Look at what is happening in our country. Then go look at Rawanda. This is scary scary stuff at this point.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/07/2009 20:34:56
Quote by Mondobubba:

So this would make Glenn Beck a what? Yes right a LYING SACK OF STINKING CRAP

Hit it guys!




No, it makes him something FAR WORSE than that.



Sounds almost kinda treasonous with extra treason berries.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/07/2009 20:39:42
Quote by Raine:

Glenn beck is a hate propagandist. Look at what is happening in our country. Then go look at Rawanda. This is scary scary stuff at this point.




Gerry Spence, the lawyer, wrote a book a few years ago in which he called guys like O'Rielly and Hannity hate pimps. The book didn't include Glenn cause he wasn't doing TV at the time. But I submit to you that Beck is the macest mac daddy, the most fly, the biggest hate pimp of 'em all. As such I think we need to start a grass roots campaign to send Glenn pimp hats and canes.

Comment by livingonli on 08/07/2009 21:04:32
I drive to work and just as I almost get there I find out that the left front wheel alignment apparently also crapped out in the accident. Fortunately, I was able to drop the car off at a dealer near work so I am at work. The only thing is I may have to take a cab home tonight and that won't be cheap and then I will go back to the rental place tomorrow.



I really feel like I was born under a bad sign.

Comment by Raine on 08/07/2009 21:07:25
Scoop... I thought it was 3 jets that congress was buying? When did it become 8?

Comment by wickedpam on 08/07/2009 21:28:53
Quote by livingonli:

I drive to work and just as I almost get there I find out that the left front wheel alignment apparently also crapped out in the accident. Fortunately, I was able to drop the car off at a dealer near work so I am at work. The only thing is I may have to take a cab home tonight and that won't be cheap and then I will go back to the rental place tomorrow.



I really feel like I was born under a bad sign.






Only if you keep thinking that way. Like you said you were "Fortunate" to be able to get the car to a shop that's near your office. Don't start stressing over things you can't control - if they can't get the car back to you tonight, see if they have a loaner, if not see if they have a deal with a rental agency where you can get a car tonight. IF not take the cab, yes it will be expensive but its cheaper then haveing your wheel fly off and you getting hurt. Call the shop in the morning see when the car will be done - if its before work see if they can send someone to pick you up if your close enough.



Sometimes just asking the questions will allow you to take advantage or open up options.



:hug:

Comment by livingonli on 08/07/2009 21:42:12
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by livingonli:

I drive to work and just as I almost get there I find out that the left front wheel alignment apparently also crapped out in the accident. Fortunately, I was able to drop the car off at a dealer near work so I am at work. The only thing is I may have to take a cab home tonight and that won't be cheap and then I will go back to the rental place tomorrow.



I really feel like I was born under a bad sign.






Only if you keep thinking that way. Like you said you were "Fortunate" to be able to get the car to a shop that's near your office. Don't start stressing over things you can't control - if they can't get the car back to you tonight, see if they have a loaner, if not see if they have a deal with a rental agency where you can get a car tonight. IF not take the cab, yes it will be expensive but its cheaper then haveing your wheel fly off and you getting hurt. Call the shop in the morning see when the car will be done - if its before work see if they can send someone to pick you up if your close enough.



Sometimes just asking the questions will allow you to take advantage or open up options.



:hug:


I know I won't get the car back tonight since I dropped it off after 4 PM so I just have to figure out what it's going to end up costing me. At this point, I just need to keep the car functioning so I can find a place and hopefully move soon. Once I have a cheaper place, I want to start saving and hopefully selling some things on eBay and that should get me the money for another car. At this point it will be used unless I win the lottery.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/07/2009 21:56:35
Just grilled some hot dogs.



We've known for the last couple of months that next week was going to be an unpaid (at least for us contractors) vacation, at the same time they eliminated OT (unless approved at the top 5 days in advance (why not just say no OT)) and gave all of us a 5% pay cut - yeah I know it could have been worse.



But a big emergency came up so I get to come in and work Saturday. Don't know how they got around the 5 day bit and that's "above my pay grade" anyway. So that sorta helps a bit. As much as I'd like the $, at this point I need some serious decompression, I feel at times like my body is in open defiance of my brain. Just about every other word I type has some sort of error in it that requires I go back and correct it.

Comment by TriSec on 08/07/2009 22:23:02
Well folks, I don't think I'll be destitute for long. Heard from the HR guy at Caritas (St. Elizabeth's Hospital). I hear there's an offer in the works for next week.



And I also got a call out of the blue from a place I interviewed with back in March; they had a position come open this past week and the HR person said they thought of me immediately. (I have friends there, so they may have helped.)



At least in my industry sector, it sure feels like things have turned around in the past 6 months. February was dead, but August and the phone is ringing off the hook.





Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/07/2009 22:30:37
Sounds like a great day-before-birthday present Tri!

Comment by livingonli on 08/07/2009 22:31:55
Second what TR said. :)

Comment by Random on 08/08/2009 00:45:56
Random feels left out to pasture...

Comment by livingonli on 08/08/2009 01:05:38
I think everyone else is out doing stuff. Me, I am working.

Comment by Random on 08/08/2009 01:13:26
I am refering to be generally ignored most of the very few times I can show up...

It's very lonely on the road...

Comment by livingonli on 08/08/2009 01:15:46
You just have to make it work, Random. Don't forget it gets quieter here on the weekends. Someone will read your posts eventually.

Comment by Random on 08/08/2009 01:27:45
I knows...just...depressed...been away for so long.

Comment by livingonli on 08/08/2009 01:34:20
We're like one big happy albeit twisted family.

Comment by Random on 08/08/2009 01:40:50
I feel loved now.

Comment by Raine on 08/08/2009 02:10:09




Must watch TV.

Comment by Raine on 08/08/2009 02:11:37
Quote by Random:

I am refering to be generally ignored most of the very few times I can show up...

It's very lonely on the road...


The road is a lonely place.





I have missed you! I got your package... we turned it in to the local authorities..... No worries.

Comment by Random on 08/08/2009 02:23:35
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

I am refering to be generally ignored most of the very few times I can show up...

It's very lonely on the road...


The road is a lonely place.





I have missed you! I got your package... we turned it in to the local authorities..... No worries.


I'm a little hurt by that. *poke*

miss my online family

Comment by clintster on 08/08/2009 03:39:36
Quote by wickedpam:

BTW -



Happy B-Day Clint and Happy Early B-Day Tri!!!!



:party
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Thankees for the well wishes!

Comment by livingonli on 08/08/2009 03:43:43
But did you have fun, Clintster?