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Choose one: Liar or Grossly Incompetent
Author: BobR
Date: 12/07/2007 13:13:39
It seems like deja vu all over again. A news report makes us ask the question: Is Bush a liar or just grossly incompetent?... and which one is worse?
The big news of course is that a recently declassified NIE reports that Iran abandoned its nuclear program 4 years ago. This raises a lot of questions: What did the president know and when did he know it? Why is he just now talking about this? Let's take a look at both of these...
Bush stated in a press conference on Tues that:
So he was told in August, but... did the President of the United States ask what the information was? It would seem that new information on one of the "axis of evil" would arouse his curiousity. If it didn't, does he deserve to be president? Did he run away with his fingers in his ears yelling "la la la - I can't hear you!"?
Or - as has been suggested by Dan Froomkin of the Washington Post and Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo - Bush DID learn of the details in August. They point out subtle change in his use of words:
That would point to Bush deliberately lying and trying to scare the American people into supporting a war with Iran. Which is better - lying or incompetence... and does it matter?
The other big question is why it took until last August for the information to reach the oval office. The apparent reason: Cheney suppressed it.
If this is true - and it rings true - then the articles of impeachment against Cheney should be brought out of committee immediately, and voted on forthwith. Abuse of power to encourage war with another country cannot be tolerated (again).
We might was well write up impeachment papers for Bush too. He tries to appear incompetent because that's not an impeachable offense, but his lies are just too apparent this time. They both need to go ASAP.
If you missed Keith Olbermann's Special Comment last night, you should watch it. He discusses this with a passion and language that is rare and rarified in today's media.
The only bonus from this? CNN had to cancel a special on the rush to war with Iran.
The big news of course is that a recently declassified NIE reports that Iran abandoned its nuclear program 4 years ago. This raises a lot of questions: What did the president know and when did he know it? Why is he just now talking about this? Let's take a look at both of these...
Bush stated in a press conference on Tues that:
he was informed of the intelligence report last week, but said U.S. intelligence chief Mike McConnell told him in August there was new information on Iran.
"He didn't tell me what the information was. He did tell me it was going to take a while to analyze," Bush said.
So he was told in August, but... did the President of the United States ask what the information was? It would seem that new information on one of the "axis of evil" would arouse his curiousity. If it didn't, does he deserve to be president? Did he run away with his fingers in his ears yelling "la la la - I can't hear you!"?
Or - as has been suggested by Dan Froomkin of the Washington Post and Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo - Bush DID learn of the details in August. They point out subtle change in his use of words:
Blogger Josh Marshall examines Bush's wording at that press conference and notes: "It's no longer the need to prevent the Iranians from getting the bomb. Now it's the necessity of 'preventing them from hav[ing] the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon.'
"That's the tell.
"That change is no accident. He wants claims that will survive the eventual revelation of this new intelligence -- while also continuing to hype the imminence of the Iranian nuclear threat that his spy chiefs are telling him likely does not exist."
That would point to Bush deliberately lying and trying to scare the American people into supporting a war with Iran. Which is better - lying or incompetence... and does it matter?
The other big question is why it took until last August for the information to reach the oval office. The apparent reason: Cheney suppressed it.
Hersh: "At the time, I wrote that there was a tremendous fight about it, because Cheney in the White House -- the vice president did not want to hear this. So that there was a fight about that intelligence. And, actually, for the last year, I think the vice president's office pretty much has kept -- you know, the vice president has kept his foot on the neck of that report. That report was bottled up for a year.
"The intelligence we learned about yesterday has been circulating inside this government at the highest levels for the last year -- and probably longer."
If this is true - and it rings true - then the articles of impeachment against Cheney should be brought out of committee immediately, and voted on forthwith. Abuse of power to encourage war with another country cannot be tolerated (again).
We might was well write up impeachment papers for Bush too. He tries to appear incompetent because that's not an impeachable offense, but his lies are just too apparent this time. They both need to go ASAP.
If you missed Keith Olbermann's Special Comment last night, you should watch it. He discusses this with a passion and language that is rare and rarified in today's media.
The only bonus from this? CNN had to cancel a special on the rush to war with Iran.
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Comment by 
TriSec on 12/07/2007 13:19:33
TriSec on 12/07/2007 13:19:33
And again I'm left to wonder what it's going to take in order to get Americans to take to the streets and demand a full accounting.
I look at other places around the world, and they have general strikes at the drop of a hat. Here we have lies, war, and dead Americans and there's nary a whisper...
I look at other places around the world, and they have general strikes at the drop of a hat. Here we have lies, war, and dead Americans and there's nary a whisper...
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 14:07:44
Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 14:07:44
Grossly incompetent liar.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 14:13:21
Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 14:13:21
I Farted on Santa's Lap? :rofl:
Comment by TriSec on 12/07/2007 14:22:17
TriSec on 12/07/2007 14:22:17
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 14:25:29
Why thankee, tri.
Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 14:25:29
Quote by TriSec:
Why thankee, tri.
Comment by 
livingonli on 12/07/2007 14:35:25
If the media did its job, they would have pointed it out years ago because I knew it for years.
BTW, Good morning everyone.
livingonli on 12/07/2007 14:35:25
Quote by Mondobubba: Grossly incompetent liar.
If the media did its job, they would have pointed it out years ago because I knew it for years.
BTW, Good morning everyone.
Comment by 
Raine on 12/07/2007 14:35:39
Raine on 12/07/2007 14:35:39
good morning!
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 14:36:46
Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 14:36:46
Howdy Livin, howdy Raine! :hug:
Comment by livingonli on 12/07/2007 14:38:59
livingonli on 12/07/2007 14:38:59
John Bolton is certifiably insane.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 14:41:39
Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 14:41:39
Lying sack of cute. :rofl:
Comment by livingonli on 12/07/2007 14:42:12
livingonli on 12/07/2007 14:42:12
Naughty Zoot, she must be spanked.
"We all must be spanked."
"And then the oral sex."
"We all must be spanked."
"And then the oral sex."
Comment by livingonli on 12/07/2007 14:50:59
livingonli on 12/07/2007 14:50:59
If they think everyone should go to church, what about the fact that W doesn't go to church on Sunday because his church spoke out against the Iraq war?
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 14:52:34
Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 14:52:34
Beef on wick a miricle! :rofl:
Comment by Raine on 12/07/2007 14:53:57
Raine on 12/07/2007 14:53:57
Iwould like to say that I was comepletly insulted when I heard Mitt Say that. I don't need religion to be free. This was so damn wrong it was disgusting.
Comment by TriSec on 12/07/2007 14:54:51
TriSec on 12/07/2007 14:54:51
Gee, and to think that we left the Catholic church over something pedestrian, that being the abuse of children by priests.
Who knew that I was stabbing freedom in the back??
Who knew that I was stabbing freedom in the back??
Comment by Raine on 12/07/2007 14:55:20
Raine on 12/07/2007 14:55:20
Freedom needs religion and relifion needs freedom. I will not be letting anyone forget that.
Mitt doesn't have a clue about our founding father's.
Comment by TriSec on 12/07/2007 14:57:19
TriSec on 12/07/2007 14:57:19
Funny, every time I visit Lexington or Concord, I commune with the Founding Fathers and the Patriots and worship my deepest beliefs...
"We hold these truths to be self-evident...."
"We hold these truths to be self-evident...."
Comment by livingonli on 12/07/2007 14:57:40
After all, they remembered the Reformation and those lovely acts of tolerance like those in the Mass. colony which chased out anyone who wasn't puritan while they burned anyone suspected of being "a witch".
livingonli on 12/07/2007 14:57:40
Quote by Raine: Freedom needs religion and relifion needs freedom. I will not be letting anyone forget that.
Mitt doesn't have a clue about our founding father's.
After all, they remembered the Reformation and those lovely acts of tolerance like those in the Mass. colony which chased out anyone who wasn't puritan while they burned anyone suspected of being "a witch".
Comment by 
starling310 on 12/07/2007 14:58:06
starling310 on 12/07/2007 14:58:06
Hello! Hello!
Dropped off Farley at the vet AGAIN. . . having his ultrasound today.
Freedom needs religion like a fish needs a bicycle.
Dropped off Farley at the vet AGAIN. . . having his ultrasound today.
Freedom needs religion like a fish needs a bicycle.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 15:00:24
Ultrasound? Poor lil feller! :hug:
Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 15:00:24
Quote by starling310: Hello! Hello!
Dropped off Farley at the vet AGAIN. . . having his ultrasound today.
Freedom needs religion like a fish needs a bicycle.
Ultrasound? Poor lil feller! :hug:
Comment by Raine on 12/07/2007 15:01:23
I like that!
Good mornign Mondo tri liv and Star!
Raine on 12/07/2007 15:01:23
Freedom needs religion like a fish needs a bicycle.
Comment by livingonli on 12/07/2007 15:01:39
livingonli on 12/07/2007 15:01:39
Poor Farley. 
Comment by starling310 on 12/07/2007 15:01:51
Yessir. . . Blood tests are normal. They are investigating a slight heart murmur and some minor weight loss.
starling310 on 12/07/2007 15:01:51
Quote by Mondobubba:
Ultrasound? Poor lil feller! :hug:
Yessir. . . Blood tests are normal. They are investigating a slight heart murmur and some minor weight loss.
Comment by livingonli on 12/07/2007 15:02:24
livingonli on 12/07/2007 15:02:24
Good morning Raine Tri Mondo and
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 15:04:18
I've missed something haven't I?
Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 15:04:18
Quote by starling310:Quote by Mondobubba:
Ultrasound? Poor lil feller! :hug:
Yessir. . . Blood tests are normal. They are investigating a slight heart murmur and some minor weight loss.
I've missed something haven't I?
Comment by starling310 on 12/07/2007 15:05:45
Alas I cannot take credit. It isn't my saying.
Did anyone catch Zach Braff's shirt last night on SCRUBS?
It was the a picture of the Democratic Donkey and underneath that it said "Ass Man."
:rofl:
starling310 on 12/07/2007 15:05:45
Quote by Raine:
Freedom needs religion like a fish needs a bicycle.
I like that!
Good mornign Mondo tri liv and Star!
Alas I cannot take credit. It isn't my saying.
Did anyone catch Zach Braff's shirt last night on SCRUBS?
It was the a picture of the Democratic Donkey and underneath that it said "Ass Man."
:rofl:
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 15:07:14
Damnit no! :kick: damn me being social and quaffing beer with friends.
Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 15:07:14
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
Freedom needs religion like a fish needs a bicycle.
I like that!
Good mornign Mondo tri liv and Star!
Alas I cannot take credit. It isn't my saying.
Did anyone catch Zach Braff's shirt last night on SCRUBS?
It was the a picture of the Democratic Donkey and underneath that it said "Ass Man."
:rofl:
Damnit no! :kick: damn me being social and quaffing beer with friends.
Comment by Raine on 12/07/2007 15:08:28
Raine on 12/07/2007 15:08:28
:headscrtch: Yesterday, Tweety thougth Mitt;s speech was his wonderful moment. he loved the speech... And then Tucker went on to hate it. KO did aall the pundits did ... I wonder how tweety will spin all that today.
I cannot find the information, but I read somewhere this week that tweety's wife sits on the board of the Marriot Hotel chain... I am still looking for a confirmation.
Comment by TriSec on 12/07/2007 15:12:38
TriSec on 12/07/2007 15:12:38
Oh, no....
Comment by starling310 on 12/07/2007 15:14:00
Only that he has been to the vet 3 times in the past 2 weeks because I was concerned about a little weight loss. The vet wanted to do blood tests to rule out Feline Leukeimia, Diabetes, or Renal Failure. After that, she wanted an ultrasound to take a look at his little heart.
starling310 on 12/07/2007 15:14:00
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by starling310:Quote by Mondobubba:
Ultrasound? Poor lil feller! :hug:
Yessir. . . Blood tests are normal. They are investigating a slight heart murmur and some minor weight loss.
I've missed something haven't I?
Only that he has been to the vet 3 times in the past 2 weeks because I was concerned about a little weight loss. The vet wanted to do blood tests to rule out Feline Leukeimia, Diabetes, or Renal Failure. After that, she wanted an ultrasound to take a look at his little heart.
Comment by starling310 on 12/07/2007 15:14:59
Yes, I am recently without girlfriend, so I was sitting home feeling a bit sorry for myself and catching up on Tivo.
starling310 on 12/07/2007 15:14:59
Quote by Mondobubba:
Damnit no! :kick: damn me being social and quaffing beer with friends.
Yes, I am recently without girlfriend, so I was sitting home feeling a bit sorry for myself and catching up on Tivo.
Comment by Raine on 12/07/2007 15:16:41
Raine on 12/07/2007 15:16:41
We need to harnass the methane as a renewable fuel. :P
Comment by starling310 on 12/07/2007 15:17:39
starling310 on 12/07/2007 15:17:39
Comment by Raine on 12/07/2007 15:17:56
Raine on 12/07/2007 15:17:56
Btw, thanks tri, the santa fart song is now earworming in my head!
Comment by livingonli on 12/07/2007 15:18:37
Hopefully you'll find someone better. If she couldn't accept your acting time, then she wasn't the right one.
livingonli on 12/07/2007 15:18:37
Quote by starling310:
Yes, I am recently without girlfriend, so I was sitting home feeling a bit sorry for myself and catching up on Tivo.
Hopefully you'll find someone better. If she couldn't accept your acting time, then she wasn't the right one.
Comment by TriSec on 12/07/2007 15:19:52
TriSec on 12/07/2007 15:19:52
Just sent:
Hi everyone, and a Merry Christmas to you all! (Bill-o, HA!)
I was wondering….if we ask really nicely, do you think we could have Kim Jong-il read us “The night before Christmas” or “The Grinch” for the holiday?
I hear he also has a tremendous singing voice…we’d love to hear the “Twelve days of Christmas”, too!
Be Merry!
TriSec from the blog!
Speaking of which, when are we going to see you around our little corner of the internets?
http://www.fourfreedomsblog.com/BlogList.php
Comment by TriSec on 12/07/2007 15:21:14
I heard it on SomaFm's "Christmas in Frisko" channel the other day, and Mrs TriSec and Javi had to pry me off the floor with a tire-iron...
TriSec on 12/07/2007 15:21:14
Quote by Raine: Btw, thanks tri, the santa fart song is now earworming in my head!
I heard it on SomaFm's "Christmas in Frisko" channel the other day, and Mrs TriSec and Javi had to pry me off the floor with a tire-iron...
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 15:21:15
:hug:
Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 15:21:15
Quote by starling310:Quote by Mondobubba:
Damnit no! :kick: damn me being social and quaffing beer with friends.
Yes, I am recently without girlfriend, so I was sitting home feeling a bit sorry for myself and catching up on Tivo.
:hug:
Comment by livingonli on 12/07/2007 15:21:26
livingonli on 12/07/2007 15:21:26
:clown: just posted at AAP a few minutes ago, but he hasn't been here lately.
Comment by starling310 on 12/07/2007 15:21:56
starling310 on 12/07/2007 15:21:56
Good job Tri!
:pray: Please let Kim Jong Il read us a Christmas story!
:pray: Please let Kim Jong Il read us a Christmas story!
Comment by starling310 on 12/07/2007 15:22:47
thanks man. . . it was the right thing to do. but, still makes me sad. too bad she and i couldn't have just been friends. we ROCKED as friends.
starling310 on 12/07/2007 15:22:47
Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:
Yes, I am recently without girlfriend, so I was sitting home feeling a bit sorry for myself and catching up on Tivo.
Hopefully you'll find someone better. If she couldn't accept your acting time, then she wasn't the right one.
thanks man. . . it was the right thing to do. but, still makes me sad. too bad she and i couldn't have just been friends. we ROCKED as friends.
Comment by Raine on 12/07/2007 15:23:17
Raine on 12/07/2007 15:23:17
Plame: Fitzgerald has agreed to turn over transcripts of interviews of Bush and Cheney over to Waxman 
After her hour-long speech and question-and-answer session, Plame dropped one bombshell almost casually. She said a lawyer had called her just before her talk began and told her that special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald had agreed to turn his transcripts of interviews with Mr. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney over to U. S. Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., who is known for his relish for investigating wrongdoing by Republicans. Plame said she didnÕt know whether the Bush administration would allow the transcripts to be sent to Congress.
Comment by Raine on 12/07/2007 15:26:50
Raine on 12/07/2007 15:26:50
Good news for me too! I have made my dad and his vet friends blush! :D
Comment by livingonli on 12/07/2007 15:26:55
livingonli on 12/07/2007 15:26:55
Momma is the queen of TMI.
Comment by starling310 on 12/07/2007 15:28:00
starling310 on 12/07/2007 15:28:00
Quote by Raine: Plame: Fitzgerald has agreed to turn over transcripts of interviews of Bush and Cheney over to WaxmanAfter her hour-long speech and question-and-answer session, Plame dropped one bombshell almost casually.
She said a lawyer had called her just before her talk began and told her that special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald had agreed to turn his transcripts of interviews with Mr. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney over to U. S. Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., who is known for his relish for investigating wrongdoing by Republicans.
Plame said she didnÕt know whether the Bush administration would allow the transcripts to be sent to Congress.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 15:31:54
You little potty mouth! :clap:
Mondobubba on 12/07/2007 15:31:54
Quote by Raine: Good news for me too! I have made my dad and his vet friends blush! :D
You little potty mouth! :clap:
Comment by Raine on 12/07/2007 15:32:35
Raine on 12/07/2007 15:32:35
How many people does it take a conservative candidate to write a speech?
One, they don't need factcheckers.
Comment by Raine on 12/07/2007 15:33:49
America !!! Fuck yeah!
Raine on 12/07/2007 15:33:49
Quote by Mondobubba:You little potty mouth! :clap:Quote by Raine: Good news for me too! I have made my dad and his vet friends blush! :D
Comment by Raine on 12/07/2007 15:35:09
Raine on 12/07/2007 15:35:09
:rofl: Homer Simpson drop :rofl:
Comment by Raine on 12/07/2007 15:35:55
Raine on 12/07/2007 15:35:55
Future EX husband KO? 