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The Wrong Approach to Terrorism
Author: BobR    Date: 01/08/2010 13:47:42

There have been a lot of interesting discussions over the last few weeks about how to deal with the threat of terrorism. Sadly, the most interesting information is relegated to the lesser known or more biased news networks, so they are either ignored or dismissed out of hand. The mainstream discussion seems to revolve around "stricter restrictions via the TSA", "gitmo-ize the crotch-bomber", and "military action with Yemen". None of this will work, and will likely be counter-productive.

So why won't it work and what might work instead? First we need to look at a little history...

The first notion to dismiss is that "9/11 changed everything". While it may have been the largest attack on U.S. soil, we have been dealing with terrorism for a long time. A PBS Frontline article lists 12 terrorist attacks that occurred between 1979 and 1988. Of course, there have been others since then, such as the original bombing of the WTC, the anthrax letters, the domestic terrorism bombing in Oklahoma City, the bombing of flight TWA 800, etc. These attacks occurred under the "watch" of several presidents. They also show that terrorist attacks can occur in places other than an airplane, although airplanes seem to be a favorite target. Perhaps because it makes a spectacular splash... perhaps because there is this preconceived (and incorrect) notion that flying is unsafe.

We keep adding layers of "security" at the airports, but nothing seems to work. Why? I heard one person on the radio mention that al-Qaeda buys the same detection equipment we use at the airports and uses it to test their approach. That's why they ended up putting a chemical powder in a plastic bag in someone's crotch - it will never be detected, not by metal detectors, not by "puffers", and not by "nude" image screening. Other countries are loathe to install this equipment, and in fact the nude imaging devices may violate child pornography laws in England. The puffer machines have been discontinued because they're not very effective.

The best suggestion I've heard is to use bomb-sniffing dogs to screen every passenger. That would be much faster, more effective, and WAY less expensive.

Obviously the better solution is to catch them before they ever arrive at the airport (or other target). This requires good intelligence. Changes were recommended after 9/11 and some put in place, but none of it seems to be helping much. Add to that simple human error, and we're back at square one. The crotch-bomber was missed because of a simple misspelling.

The best solution, however, is to understand the goals of the terrorists, and the reasons they are able to keep recruiting young stupid disillusioned isolated kids, and turn them into living breathing suicidal weapons, and then defuse the psychology.

As reported last night, early tapes of Osama bin Laden show him proclaiming that he would bankrupt our nation by forcing us to fight him on his terms. On that goal, he is doing quite well. We've spent nearly a trillion dollars on our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the bloodthirsty (and war profiteers) are now eyeing Yemen (a country with a geography and tribal issues similar to Afghanistan). There's been a lot of talk in recent months about our country's financial security, but little of it aimed at military spending. It seems people are willing to spend a trillion dollars to fight a war that by it's very nature will never end.

Bush proclaimed that the "terrorists hate our freedom" which was both jingoistic and naive. They just hate us exploiting the oil in the Middle East and using our military and CIA to help that along. But along the way we changed our way of life and accepted more and more inconveniences to feel "safe". We've willingly given up those same liberties.

The general goal of terrorism is to force other people to do what you want by scaring them.

So in response to these actions, we've spent a trillion dollars on wars, millions of dollars on airport screening devices, untold lost dollars in productivity, loss of personal liberties, etc. Are the terrorists winning?... It certainly seems that way.

President Obama seems to want to push this pendulum back the other way. He at least is vocalizing that changing our ways means the terrorists win. How do we fight this? All al-Qaeda had to do was put one disposable foot soldier on a plane, and the entire TSA is in uproar. How much did al-Qaeda spend training and equipping that one person? How much are we spending to react to it?

Besides financial, we are also apparently willing to sacrifice ideals for the illusion of safety. As I mentioned in my previous post on this subject, 58% of Americans think the crotch-bomber should be tortured. As reported by Keith Olbermann, Rudolph Giuliani wondered aloud if torture worked so well at preventing terrorism, why did this event still occur? Because despite the revenge motive, there is nothing of value to be gained from torture, despite what you see on "24".

The best way to prevent terrorism is to prevent kids from turning into terrorists. How can that be accomplished? One of the first things is to repeat ad nauseum that al-Qaeda kills a LOT more Muslims than the U.S. does. They may try to frame it as a religious war, but we need to shine a light on the facts. Muslims (particularly Muslim extremists) kill WAY more Muslims than "Christians" do. See this clip from last night's Rachel Maddow show:

Visit msnbc.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy



We can also extricate ourselves from the Middle East as much as possible. They don't want us on their "holy land". I don't see a need for us to be there. We should close bases in Saudi Arabia etc.

Finally, we can stop "feeding the beast" by finding alternatives to oil, and cutting off the opium trade. Perhaps the CIA should infiltrate their banks and shut down their financial pipelines.

All of this assumes of course that the Pentagon and CIA want to eliminate the boogeyman. Sometimes I have to wonder...


 

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Comment by velveeta jones on 01/08/2010 14:01:39
Great post BobR. I agree with you on using dogs - it seems less invasive and also, there are cute doggies involved.



I am hoping to feel better today. I am opening a new bank account today at a local community bank - and working on getting out of my big-ass bank that doesn't offer much in the way of customer service any longer. I'd been thinking about it for awhile, but with the new year, it just seems now is the perfect time to do it.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2010 14:13:54
Morning

Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2010 14:23:50
Ya know I like the idea of using dogs instead too - it puts people to work, its not invading peoples privacy, and people feel less threatened by dogs so it could take a little tension out of getting through security

Comment by BobR on 01/08/2010 14:33:35
Quote by wickedpam:

Ya know I like the idea of using dogs instead too - it puts people to work, its not invading peoples privacy, and people feel less threatened by dogs so it could take a little tension out of getting through security


Actually, some people have a phobia about dogs, but it's still really a much better solution.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2010 14:35:53
Quote by BobR:

Quote by wickedpam:

Ya know I like the idea of using dogs instead too - it puts people to work, its not invading peoples privacy, and people feel less threatened by dogs so it could take a little tension out of getting through security


Actually, some people have a phobia about dogs, but it's still really a much better solution.




I forgot about that - personally have a phobia of imaging scanner

Comment by Scoopster on 01/08/2010 14:39:04
Mornin' all and Happy Fridee!



There was an EXCELLENT piece on NPR this morning which basically made the case that despite all the media reporting to the contrary and the finger-pointing being done by various politicians including the President, the intelligence community was actually on top of this particular threat.

Comment by Scoopster on 01/08/2010 14:40:58
AND I DON'T GIVE A DARN WHAT SOME STUPID POLL SAYS..



http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/8/22/128954508379598904.jpg


Comment by Raine on 01/08/2010 14:47:46
Good Morning!

Comment by Raine on 01/08/2010 14:51:03
That was funny -- Tim didn't realize he was on the radio!

Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2010 14:53:56
dude if you make 50k a year you shouldn't get a subsidy

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/08/2010 14:55:03
I'm on a fire George Stephanopoulos rampage!!!!!!!!! Time to get angry about this shit. We let it happen way to often during the Bush/Darth Vader admin..







Comment by Scoopster on 01/08/2010 15:04:22
I thought he wasn't even doing This Week anymore since he got the GMA gig..

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/08/2010 15:05:55
BTW: here is the link to "Ask George a question" on GMA.



ABC Good Morning AMerica



Ask him what kind of hack journalist is he for not calling out Rudy with LIES. (idiot).

Comment by BobR on 01/08/2010 15:09:37
Quote by Scoopster:

AND I DON'T GIVE A DARN WHAT SOME STUPID POLL SAYS..



http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/8/22/128954508379598904.jpg


LOL!! You don't know how true that is. Brewser the cat will be snoozing in the middle of Kizzie's bed, and Kizzie will just look with this dumbfounded look on her face of "what do I do now?"





Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2010 15:17:28
pix is too cute





on another note - I want to buy a laptop - if your me what do you buy?



I want to be able to do a little gaming (my Sims3), get online, have Word and Excel at the very least so I can work and write and go wireless



any ideas? I'm trying to keep it to the 599-699 price range

Comment by AuntAzalea on 01/08/2010 15:19:07
Quote by velveeta jones:

I'm on a fire George Stephanopoulos rampage!!!!!!!!! Time to get angry about this shit. We let it happen way to often during the Bush/Darth Vader admin..







Uh oh- he is going to be Velveetized.

Comment by Scoopster on 01/08/2010 15:22:37
Quote by wickedpam:

pix is too cute





on another note - I want to buy a laptop - if your me what do you buy?



I want to be able to do a little gaming (my Sims3), get online, have Word and Excel at the very least so I can work and write and go wireless



any ideas? I'm trying to keep it to the 599-699 price range


There's a BUNCH of laptops coming out within the next month or so that have the new low-power CPUs in them.. should be in that price range. They've been on debut at CES in Vegas the past couple days.

Comment by m-hadley on 01/08/2010 15:36:34
BobR & Other 4Fers, Good Morning and Happy Fridee ! Excellent post BobR - I have two comments: 1) I would much rather be sniffed by a doggie (I get that everyday anyway ) than gawked at by some TSA trainee who is likely jacking off in his work cubicle, and 2) the last line of your post sent chills up my spine (NOT down my leg - thank you Chris Matthews) and I wonder if you aren't onto something. "All of this assumes of course that the Pentagon and CIA want to eliminate the boogeyman. Sometimes I have to wonder..." Gotta have a reason to keep that humongous Military/Industrial Complex going, eh? Thanks for all the mind prompting lately - you guys totally ROCK!

Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2010 15:51:38
Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

pix is too cute





on another note - I want to buy a laptop - if your me what do you buy?



I want to be able to do a little gaming (my Sims3), get online, have Word and Excel at the very least so I can work and write and go wireless



any ideas? I'm trying to keep it to the 599-699 price range


There's a BUNCH of laptops coming out within the next month or so that have the new low-power CPUs in them.. should be in that price range. They've been on debut at CES in Vegas the past couple days.






what's a low power up cpu? got a link?

Comment by Scoopster on 01/08/2010 16:01:21
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

pix is too cute





on another note - I want to buy a laptop - if your me what do you buy?



I want to be able to do a little gaming (my Sims3), get online, have Word and Excel at the very least so I can work and write and go wireless



any ideas? I'm trying to keep it to the 599-699 price range


There's a BUNCH of laptops coming out within the next month or so that have the new low-power CPUs in them.. should be in that price range. They've been on debut at CES in Vegas the past couple days.




what's a low power up cpu? got a link?


Basically it's a processor designed for laptops that uses less power, which will extend your battery life. They've been around for a while but Intel just released the next generation ones yesterday. The one's you'll probably be aiming for will have the Core i3 Mobile CPU in 'em (they're marked "not listed" on the pricing for some reason).

Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2010 16:09:13
Cool Thanks Scoop

Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2010 16:11:47


Comment by Raine on 01/08/2010 16:39:28
Quote by wickedpam:

I heard that story, I was getting welled up myself.



Comment by Raine on 01/08/2010 16:41:08
Quote by AuntAzalea:

Quote by velveeta jones:

I'm on a fire George Stephanopoulos rampage!!!!!!!!! Time to get angry about this shit. We let it happen way to often during the Bush/Darth Vader admin..







Uh oh- he is going to be Velveetized.


I sent a few letters, had a talk with Jake Tapper and cannot believe how pissed I still AM ABOUT THIS.

Comment by Scoopster on 01/08/2010 17:01:58
Quote by Raine:

Quote by AuntAzalea:

Quote by velveeta jones:

I'm on a fire George Stephanopoulos rampage!!!!!!!!! Time to get angry about this shit. We let it happen way to often during the Bush/Darth Vader admin..







Uh oh- he is going to be Velveetized.


I sent a few letters, had a talk with Jake Tapper and cannot believe how pissed I still AM ABOUT THIS.


A talk with Jake Tapper? Raine m'dear you must be far more connected than we all thought!

Comment by livingonli on 01/08/2010 17:02:14
Good morning everyone.



Kittie was in my bed with me this morning so I didn't want to get up. I listened to what I could of Momma with kittie laying on the blanket. I only put the laptop on the bed once she got off it.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2010 17:07:33
Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by AuntAzalea:

Quote by velveeta jones:

I'm on a fire George Stephanopoulos rampage!!!!!!!!! Time to get angry about this shit. We let it happen way to often during the Bush/Darth Vader admin..







Uh oh- he is going to be Velveetized.


I sent a few letters, had a talk with Jake Tapper and cannot believe how pissed I still AM ABOUT THIS.


A talk with Jake Tapper? Raine m'dear you must be far more connected than we all thought!




I was thinking the same thing MOve to DC and Raine becomes a mover and shaker

Comment by wickedpam on 01/08/2010 17:08:20
Quote by livingonli:

Good morning everyone.



Kittie was in my bed with me this morning so I didn't want to get up. I listened to what I could of Momma with kittie laying on the blanket. I only put the laptop on the bed once she got off it.






aawwww - that was very nice of you not to disturb kitty

Comment by TriSec on 01/08/2010 17:23:37
Afternoon, comrades!



I asked this question on Bush's watch....and perhaps the full-bore linear panic over underpants man is fueling the fire again.



Can anyone tell me when the last aircraft was brought down over US soil by a bomb and/or bomber on board?



I would agree with the dogs; I've seen some police dogs in action, and it would be quick and easy. Although there is something Third-Reichy about it to me.



And finally, let the av-dork question the TWA flight 800 reference in the opener. A bomb on board would be news to me; but that's the one that they were never able to conclusively determine a reason, either.







Comment by BobR on 01/08/2010 17:27:12
Quote by TriSec:

Afternoon, comrades!



I asked this question on Bush's watch....and perhaps the full-bore linear panic over underpants man is fueling the fire again.



Can anyone tell me when the last aircraft was brought down over US soil by a bomb and/or bomber on board?



I would agree with the dogs; I've seen some police dogs in action, and it would be quick and easy. Although there is something Third-Reichy about it to me.



And finally, let the av-dork question the TWA flight 800 reference in the opener. A bomb on board would be news to me; but that's the one that they were never able to conclusively determine a reason, either.







I didn't specify bomb on board, only that it was a terrorist action. It could have been shot down. The end result was that it was perceived as a terrorist attack, and that perception is the true weapon of terrorism.



Comment by Raine on 01/08/2010 17:38:22
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by AuntAzalea:

Quote by velveeta jones:

I'm on a fire George Stephanopoulos rampage!!!!!!!!! Time to get angry about this shit. We let it happen way to often during the Bush/Darth Vader admin..







Uh oh- he is going to be Velveetized.


I sent a few letters, had a talk with Jake Tapper and cannot believe how pissed I still AM ABOUT THIS.


A talk with Jake Tapper? Raine m'dear you must be far more connected than we all thought!




I was thinking the same thing MOve to DC and Raine becomes a mover and shaker
HAh-- we had a few back and forth words...





He has been out there trying to set the record straight but he won't call out his co-worker for letting the lie get by. I guess I can understand that, But still -- Georgie 'perfect hair' Stephanopolis needs to fix a few things.





Comment by livingonli on 01/08/2010 17:47:19
Now kittie's back on the bed but a different part of it.

Comment by Scoopster on 01/08/2010 18:24:49
Here's some food for thought.. sorry about the link to the Boston Herald btw



Mother of nine suing Springfield MA hospital



“There was no medical reason for them to do this,” Savicki told the Herald. “That’s my choice. This is my body. I wanted the IUD so later if I felt I wanted more children, I could have more.”

...

Savicki acknowledged that some may feel little sympathy for her situation, but cautioned against public judgment because she is a poor, unmarried mother of 9.

“I would never have the right to tell anyone else ‘because you have this many kids that’s enough,’ ” she said. “That’s no one’s right to say that. It’s my choice. No one has the right to say you’ve had enough.

“I take care of my kids. I love my kids. I was not ready to make that kind of decision,” she said of the permanent sterilization.




Ok so extend this argument.. if a woman has the personal right to keep conceiving as many children as she wants, doesn't she also have the right to choose if she wants to keep a unwanted pregnancy?

Comment by clintster on 01/08/2010 19:54:03
George Stephanopoulos closes the barn door after Rudy 911 escapes:



http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2010/01/rudy-giuliani-no-domestic-attacks-under-bush-one-under-obama.html



This column basically is the equivalent of being insulted at a party and thinking of a witty comeback the morning after.

Comment by Scoopster on 01/08/2010 20:45:25
Umm.. it's fridee ya bahstids?


Comment by TriSec on 01/08/2010 21:16:37
No, Scoop. Because she can reproduce in the normal manner she's automatically assumed to be a fit parent and doesn't have to undergo any kind of screening or background checking in order to have babies.





Comment by trojanrabbit on 01/09/2010 01:33:48
I'm sure I might be a bit biased about airport security methods since I spent a great deal of time working on the development of this sucker. (probably extended my employment there a few years)



http://www.analogic.com/products-security-checked-baggage-examiner-3dx.htm



But then again, that's checked baggage. WAY too high an x-ray dose to send a passenger through. The base design of that scanner was actually developed after the Lockerbie bombing.