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It would be easy, I suppose.
Author: Raine
Date: 02/19/2010 13:28:24
Well color me stunned. Another terror act on American soil. People will be talking about this for days, except for the part where they will be talking about Tiger Woods talking, I suppose.
It would be easy to mention again the DHS report that warned of a spike in right-wing extremism I suppose. It would also be easy to mention the UnaBomber and Timothy McVeigh. It would be easy to mention the Knoxville Church murders; those people the crime was committed against were attending a liberal church. It would be easy to mention the Holocaust museum shooting, or the death of Doctor Tiller. It would be easy to mention the Tea Party. It would be easy for me to mention the people at those tea parties who carried signs mentioning a desire to 'Water the Tree of Liberty with blood', while a gun is strapped to a thigh. I want to make something clear, according to all accounts of the Austin-area Tea Party groups, it appears Stack was not a member. I don't really want or need those people threatening me, the way they have others, (just saying, I suppose).
It would be easy to dismiss all of incidents as tho they were not terroristic or designed to propagate fear. Each and every one were based upon a deep seated anger at either government or laws created to grant humans more equality -- those laws that were created by government. It is getting harder and harder for me to stomach the claims that these were all just bad apples, or isolated incidents. These people -- often found out after a tragic/deadly event -- are a result of a certain part of our culture that feeds itself upon fear, hatred and conspiracy. Maybe this is just normal, I suppose.
By now you have heard that Joseph Stack wrote an extensive suicide note railing against the government. He had a documented ongoing battle with the IRS and finally snapped, it seems. It leads me to wonder why he snapped now? The environment seemed right for it, I suppose, with so many people out there claiming they want their government back. Maybe that pushed him over the edge. The real question I want to ask is: when these people scream they want their government back, who exactly do they want to run it? Maybe people like Scott Brown? This Scott Brown who seemed to justify this act because no one likes to pay taxes? It would be easy to say "Thanks for that ever so subtle flame fanning there Senator Brown", but I don't think that was his intent, I suppose.
This so called 'populist rage' is becoming extreme and whether or not Joseph Stack is a part of this movement doesn't really matter. It was his anti-government manifesto that people will no doubt be drawn to. I will not link to it here on this blog. The Republicans won't claim him, nor will the Dems. This man was anti-government. There really can be little question about that. I guarantee someone will claim him as a representative of what they believe (EDIT: They already have). Still don't believe me? Take a look at this video. Yup -- he is a hero to this person, and will be to many others who are a part of the anti-government movement we have seen in the past year. Call it what you will, it would be too easy for me to label it. Someone else can, I suppose.
This is where the divisiveness in this nation is taking us. It would be too easy to deny that -- I suppose.
and 
Raine
It would be easy to mention again the DHS report that warned of a spike in right-wing extremism I suppose. It would also be easy to mention the UnaBomber and Timothy McVeigh. It would be easy to mention the Knoxville Church murders; those people the crime was committed against were attending a liberal church. It would be easy to mention the Holocaust museum shooting, or the death of Doctor Tiller. It would be easy to mention the Tea Party. It would be easy for me to mention the people at those tea parties who carried signs mentioning a desire to 'Water the Tree of Liberty with blood', while a gun is strapped to a thigh. I want to make something clear, according to all accounts of the Austin-area Tea Party groups, it appears Stack was not a member. I don't really want or need those people threatening me, the way they have others, (just saying, I suppose).
It would be easy to dismiss all of incidents as tho they were not terroristic or designed to propagate fear. Each and every one were based upon a deep seated anger at either government or laws created to grant humans more equality -- those laws that were created by government. It is getting harder and harder for me to stomach the claims that these were all just bad apples, or isolated incidents. These people -- often found out after a tragic/deadly event -- are a result of a certain part of our culture that feeds itself upon fear, hatred and conspiracy. Maybe this is just normal, I suppose.
By now you have heard that Joseph Stack wrote an extensive suicide note railing against the government. He had a documented ongoing battle with the IRS and finally snapped, it seems. It leads me to wonder why he snapped now? The environment seemed right for it, I suppose, with so many people out there claiming they want their government back. Maybe that pushed him over the edge. The real question I want to ask is: when these people scream they want their government back, who exactly do they want to run it? Maybe people like Scott Brown? This Scott Brown who seemed to justify this act because no one likes to pay taxes?
Newly-minted Sen. Scott Brown (R-MA) appeared on Fox’s Neil Cavuto and showed none of the outrage and concern about terrorism that he exuded during his Senate election campaign. Asked for his reaction, Brown said he felt for the families, but quickly shrugged off the attack and transitioned to say that “people are frustrated” and “no one likes paying taxes.” Watch it:
This so called 'populist rage' is becoming extreme and whether or not Joseph Stack is a part of this movement doesn't really matter. It was his anti-government manifesto that people will no doubt be drawn to. I will not link to it here on this blog. The Republicans won't claim him, nor will the Dems. This man was anti-government. There really can be little question about that. I guarantee someone will claim him as a representative of what they believe (EDIT: They already have). Still don't believe me? Take a look at this video. Yup -- he is a hero to this person, and will be to many others who are a part of the anti-government movement we have seen in the past year. Call it what you will, it would be too easy for me to label it. Someone else can, I suppose.
This is where the divisiveness in this nation is taking us. It would be too easy to deny that -- I suppose.
and Raine
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 02/19/2010 13:41:29
wickedpam on 02/19/2010 13:41:29
Morning 
Part of me wonders if we had better mental healthcare, and there wasn't a stigma attched to it, we'd have less people snapping in such violent ways.
What is it about Americans that we just jump to being violent and argumentative?
Part of me wonders if we had better mental healthcare, and there wasn't a stigma attched to it, we'd have less people snapping in such violent ways.
What is it about Americans that we just jump to being violent and argumentative?
Comment by 
BobR on 02/19/2010 13:42:59
BobR on 02/19/2010 13:42:59
Scott Brown is a complete douchebag. wow.
Comment by 
Raine on 02/19/2010 13:57:24
It's a good question.
What I find stunning is that if this is indeed insanity, how can so many crazy people be using the first amendment as an excuse for this behavior?
I just came across THIS article (and the person who posted it DID alert the Secret Service, and rightfully So I think) It's damn seditionous if you ask me.
Raine on 02/19/2010 13:57:24
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
Part of me wonders if we had better mental healthcare, and there wasn't a stigma attched to it, we'd have less people snapping in such violent ways.
What is it about Americans that we just jump to being violent and argumentative?
It's a good question.
What I find stunning is that if this is indeed insanity, how can so many crazy people be using the first amendment as an excuse for this behavior?
I just came across THIS article (and the person who posted it DID alert the Secret Service, and rightfully So I think)
Tea party planner says she made 'hanging' remarks
[...]
"Nobody had a rope to hang Patty Murray," she said.
Capps' comment Saturday at the Lewis & Clark Tea Party Patriots meeting at the county fairgrounds in Asotin, Wash., were captured by television station KLEW of Lewiston, Idaho. While speaking to the crowd from the podium, Capps said Murray should suffer the same fate as the character Jake in the western "Lonesome Dove."
"What happened to Jake when he ran with the wrong crowd?" Capps asked. "He got hung. And that's what I want to do with Patty Murray."
The crowd erupted in laughter. Organizers estimated about 500 people attended the event.
Capps, who initially denied to The Associated Press that she was the speaker, said Thursday night that the rest of the statement was that she wanted to "hang Patty Murray, by vote."
She contended the television news report edited out part of her statement. But KLEW news director Greg Meyer told The Lewiston Tribune newspaper that the unedited footage from the rally contains no statement from Capps about hanging Murray with votes.
[...]
The meeting also featured signs that read "Geld Obama" and "B.O. Stinks."
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2010 14:05:37
Raine on 02/19/2010 14:05:37
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2010 14:06:53
Raine on 02/19/2010 14:06:53
BTW, regarding the Gelding comment -- Castration was a way for slave owners to control their slaves.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2010 14:09:11
Momma -- that was gross!
Raine on 02/19/2010 14:09:11
Momma -- that was gross!
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2010 14:09:36
zOMG!!! TMI!!!
Raine on 02/19/2010 14:09:36
zOMG!!! TMI!!!
Comment by 
Scoopster on 02/19/2010 14:24:16
Scoopster on 02/19/2010 14:24:16
Morning all & Happy Fridee!! 
This from Andrea Fay Friedman, the actress (who has Down's Syndrome herself) who lent her voice to the character on Family Guy that spoke "that line".
I guess former Governor Palin does not have a sense of humor. I thought the line "I am the daughter of the former governor of Alaska" was very funny. I think the word is "sarcasm".
In my family we think laughing is good. My parents raised me to have a sense of humor and to live a normal life. My mother did not carry me around under her arm like a loaf of French bread the way former Governor Palin carries her son Trig around looking for sympathy and votes.
This from Andrea Fay Friedman, the actress (who has Down's Syndrome herself) who lent her voice to the character on Family Guy that spoke "that line".
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2010 14:26:29
Raine on 02/19/2010 14:26:29
I just added these to yesterdays blog...
UPDATE lV:
Senator Schumer is number 17 -- he has signed the letter.
UPDATE V: Obama will back the public option if Harry Reid does.
UPDATE lV:
Senator Schumer is number 17 -- he has signed the letter.
UPDATE V: Obama will back the public option if Harry Reid does.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2010 14:28:12
wickedpam on 02/19/2010 14:28:12
liberal confession: I haven't watched one lick of the Olympics this year
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2010 14:29:13
If I didn't know better, I would say that Seth McFarlane PLANNED this as a way for Palin to insert her hypocritical foot in her mouth.
Raine on 02/19/2010 14:29:13
Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all & Happy Fridee!!I guess former Governor Palin does not have a sense of humor. I thought the line "I am the daughter of the former governor of Alaska" was very funny. I think the word is "sarcasm".
In my family we think laughing is good. My parents raised me to have a sense of humor and to live a normal life. My mother did not carry me around under her arm like a loaf of French bread the way former Governor Palin carries her son Trig around looking for sympathy and votes.
This from Andrea Fay Friedman, the actress (who has Down's Syndrome herself) who lent her voice to the character on Family Guy that spoke "that line".
If I didn't know better, I would say that Seth McFarlane PLANNED this as a way for Palin to insert her hypocritical foot in her mouth.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2010 14:32:08
Well then, you must hate America...
Raine on 02/19/2010 14:32:08
Quote by wickedpam:
liberal confession: I haven't watched one lick of the Olympics this year
Well then, you must hate America...
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2010 14:34:22
wickedpam on 02/19/2010 14:34:22
Love Family Guy, its so wrong and so right all at the same time 
I'm guessing that Sarah-girl didn't get the memo that they are equal opportunity offenders
I'm guessing that Sarah-girl didn't get the memo that they are equal opportunity offenders
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2010 14:35:21
Yeah there's that
and I find televised sports boring
wickedpam on 02/19/2010 14:35:21
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
liberal confession: I haven't watched one lick of the Olympics this year
Well then, you must hate America...
Yeah there's that
and I find televised sports boring
Comment by BobR on 02/19/2010 14:39:21
BobR on 02/19/2010 14:39:21
Nursing an injured shoulder today... I fell down the stairs and reflexively grabbed the railing. I ended up wrenching my shoulder. It's amazing how hard it is to do most things with one arm out of commission.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2010 14:45:48
wickedpam on 02/19/2010 14:45:48
Good lord Bob! This on top of getting over being sick. ~~~~~~ healing vibes out to ya~~~~
~~~~~~ healing vibes out to ya~~~~
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2010 15:06:57
I am trying to get him to either go to the ER or a doctor....
Raine on 02/19/2010 15:06:57
Quote by wickedpam:
Good lord Bob! This on top of getting over being sick.
I am trying to get him to either go to the ER or a doctor....
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2010 15:09:40
esp since he said he's not using the arm -thats not good
wickedpam on 02/19/2010 15:09:40
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Good lord Bob! This on top of getting over being sick.
I am trying to get him to either go to the ER or a doctor....
esp since he said he's not using the arm -thats not good
Comment by BobR on 02/19/2010 15:12:25
I said I'd go to the doctor later!
BobR on 02/19/2010 15:12:25
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Good lord Bob! This on top of getting over being sick.
I am trying to get him to either go to the ER or a doctor....
esp since he said he's not using the arm -thats not good
I said I'd go to the doctor later!
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 02/19/2010 15:13:01
velveeta jones on 02/19/2010 15:13:01
Hey Scott, what say we don't pay our taxes and then you won't get a paycheck or pension or insurance. That okay with you?
Asshat.
Asshat.
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/19/2010 15:15:58
Oh noooooo!!!
velveeta jones on 02/19/2010 15:15:58
Quote by BobR:
Nursing an injured shoulder today... I fell down the stairs and reflexively grabbed the railing. I ended up wrenching my shoulder. It's amazing how hard it is to do most things with one arm out of commission.
Oh noooooo!!!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2010 15:16:31
Only because we love
wickedpam on 02/19/2010 15:16:31
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Good lord Bob! This on top of getting over being sick.
I am trying to get him to either go to the ER or a doctor....
esp since he said he's not using the arm -thats not good
I said I'd go to the doctor later!
Only because we love
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2010 15:51:46
wickedpam on 02/19/2010 15:51:46
the caller is right, why isnt' there a Washington based Progressive version on Cpac
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2010 16:06:38
Here is the irony of it all.
We on the left have something called NetRoots Nation. It isn't held in DC because it is actually a progressive GRASSROOTS convention. The friggin' tea Party convention got more coverage than any one of the numerous conventions that have been held.
If it were to be held in DC it would be considered beltway insider stuff and probably vilified in stead of celebrated the way C-pac is.
AND btw many people seem to forget that this C-Pac is a political action group, like move on. They should NOT be doing this shit like it is a conservative DC policy initiative.
Raine on 02/19/2010 16:06:38
Quote by wickedpam:
the caller is right, why isnt' there a Washington based Progressive version on Cpac
Here is the irony of it all.
We on the left have something called NetRoots Nation. It isn't held in DC because it is actually a progressive GRASSROOTS convention. The friggin' tea Party convention got more coverage than any one of the numerous conventions that have been held.
If it were to be held in DC it would be considered beltway insider stuff and probably vilified in stead of celebrated the way C-pac is.
AND btw many people seem to forget that this C-Pac is a political action group, like move on. They should NOT be doing this shit like it is a conservative DC policy initiative.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2010 16:12:12
Raine on 02/19/2010 16:12:12
Tiger is giving the Michael Jackson press statement a run for its money. Just saying....
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2010 16:14:22
wickedpam on 02/19/2010 16:14:22
and I care baout tiger why? 
Comment by 
livingonli on 02/19/2010 16:19:00
livingonli on 02/19/2010 16:19:00
Good morning everyone.
Listening to Momma while watching the Tiger Woods statement on ESPN. The Golf Channel is even having their own special coverage.
Considering the crap coming from the right these days I am surprised they even let Thom Hartmann or Rachel Maddow come and infiltrate their den or are they that proud of the crap they are selling. Just remember that William F. Buckley had kicked out the Birchers because even he found them too nuts.
Listening to Momma while watching the Tiger Woods statement on ESPN. The Golf Channel is even having their own special coverage.
Considering the crap coming from the right these days I am surprised they even let Thom Hartmann or Rachel Maddow come and infiltrate their den or are they that proud of the crap they are selling. Just remember that William F. Buckley had kicked out the Birchers because even he found them too nuts.
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2010 16:20:19
livingonli on 02/19/2010 16:20:19
And what is Brit Hume going to say about Tiger's comment about his Buddhism?
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2010 16:38:36
I think you mentioned that one before and I completely forgot about it. Doesn't Kos have one too? I can't remember.
wickedpam on 02/19/2010 16:38:36
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
the caller is right, why isnt' there a Washington based Progressive version on Cpac
Here is the irony of it all.
We on the left have something called NetRoots Nation. It isn't held in DC because it is actually a progressive GRASSROOTS convention. The friggin' tea Party convention got more coverage than any one of the numerous conventions that have been held.
If it were to be held in DC it would be considered beltway insider stuff and probably vilified in stead of celebrated the way C-pac is.
AND btw many people seem to forget that this C-Pac is a political action group, like move on. They should NOT be doing this shit like it is a conservative DC policy initiative.
I think you mentioned that one before and I completely forgot about it. Doesn't Kos have one too? I can't remember.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2010 16:41:47
wickedpam on 02/19/2010 16:41:47
did you know the average airplane seat is only 17-18" across?
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2010 16:47:58
livingonli on 02/19/2010 16:47:58
You should see the snark on Andy Borowitz twitter page.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2010 17:05:03
UPDATE Vl: Shaheen Signs Public Option Letter, Becomes No. 18
I am waiting for the jackpot: Reid and Durbin...
Raine on 02/19/2010 17:05:03
UPDATE Vl: Shaheen Signs Public Option Letter, Becomes No. 18
I am waiting for the jackpot: Reid and Durbin...
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2010 17:07:25
I think Kos was one of the people who organized it originally.
But it's much more diverse than just DailyKos.
Raine on 02/19/2010 17:07:25
Quote by wickedpam:
I think you mentioned that one before and I completely forgot about it. Doesn't Kos have one too? I can't remember.
I think Kos was one of the people who organized it originally.
But it's much more diverse than just DailyKos.
Comment by Scoopster on 02/19/2010 17:11:07
Oh cool I wasn't sure if jack Reed was on the list yet or not.. was about to write him an email!
Scoopster on 02/19/2010 17:11:07
Quote by Raine:
UPDATE Vl: Shaheen Signs Public Option Letter, Becomes No. 18
I am waiting for the jackpot: Reid and Durbin...
Oh cool I wasn't sure if jack Reed was on the list yet or not.. was about to write him an email!
Comment by 
TriSec on 02/19/2010 17:22:11
TriSec on 02/19/2010 17:22:11
Howdy folks.
Sen. Brown wasn't the brightest star when he was in this Commonwealth, either.
Maybe I'll buy that gun this year after all.
Sen. Brown wasn't the brightest star when he was in this Commonwealth, either.
Maybe I'll buy that gun this year after all.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 02/19/2010 18:54:29
You didn't know that yet?
Mondobubba on 02/19/2010 18:54:29
Quote by BobR:
Scott Brown is a complete douchebag. wow.
You didn't know that yet?
Comment by BobR on 02/19/2010 20:05:49
He bought himself a whole new bag and nozzle with this comment.
BobR on 02/19/2010 20:05:49
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:
Scott Brown is a complete douchebag. wow.
You didn't know that yet?
He bought himself a whole new bag and nozzle with this comment.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2010 20:37:09
:reaches for eye bleach: I will be washing my mind's eye now.
Mondobubba on 02/19/2010 20:37:09
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:
Scott Brown is a complete douchebag. wow.
You didn't know that yet?
He bought himself a whole new bag and nozzle with this comment.
:reaches for eye bleach: I will be washing my mind's eye now.
Comment by Scoopster on 02/19/2010 20:42:34
Bouncin' by maself a-ho-ho
Scoopster on 02/19/2010 20:42:34
Bouncin' by maself a-ho-ho
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2010 21:30:31
Raine on 02/19/2010 21:30:31
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2010 21:31:52
Raine on 02/19/2010 21:31:52
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2010 21:32:57
been trying to keep these updates in yesterdays blog -- I have another cool update to add!
Raine on 02/19/2010 21:32:57
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
UPDATE Vl: Shaheen Signs Public Option Letter, Becomes No. 18
I am waiting for the jackpot: Reid and Durbin...
Oh cool I wasn't sure if jack Reed was on the list yet or not.. was about to write him an email!