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For What it's Worth....
Author: Raine    Date: 03/04/2010 13:58:18

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away
We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down


You know the song, it was allegedly written to get people to recognize the turbulence going on during the 60's, especially regarding Vietnam. Today, after reading about a report from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) it takes on a different slant to it's ominous message.
"Patriot" Groups, Militias Surge in Number in Past Year

The number of extremist groups in the United States exploded in 2009 as militias and other groups steeped in wild, antigovernment conspiracy theories exploited populist anger across the country and infiltrated the mainstream, according to a report issued today by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).

[...]
Patriot groups have been fueled by anger over the changing demographics of the country, the soaring public debt, the troubled economy and an array of initiatives by President Obama that have been branded "socialist" or even "fascist" by his political opponents.

"This extraordinary growth is a cause for grave concern," said Intelligence Report editor Mark Potok. "The people associated with the Patriot movement during its 1990s heyday produced an enormous amount of violence, most dramatically the Oklahoma City bombing that left 168 people dead."

The Patriot movement has made significant inroads into the conservative political scene, according to the new report. "The ‘tea parties' and similar groups that have sprung up in recent months cannot fairly be considered extremist groups, but they are shot through with rich veins of radical ideas, conspiracy theories and racism," the report says.

Unlike the 1990s, the Patriot movement's central ideas are being promoted by people with large audiences, such as FOX News' Glenn Beck and U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota. Beck, for instance, reinvigorated a key Patriot conspiracy theory - the charge that the Federal Emergency Management Agency is secretly running concentration camps - before finally "debunking" it.
It's important to note that Oklahoma City Bombing occurred April of 1995, Fox News did not start broadcasting until october of 1996. There was no Fox News Channel at the time. At it's infancy, it was rather benign. That changed drastically over the years. Their involvement with these groups in marketing them is well documented.

There is something in the air here. I no longer hope that the likes of Sarah Palin will run for office because it will provide one party a political victory in her potential defeat. It not worth even flirting with that idea any more. As the report says, these 'tea parties' cannot be "fairly be considered extremist groups" -- they are however, a ripe breading ground for such extremist behavior. We ignore them at our peril and we pay attention to them at our peril. When people, including elected officials don't condemn terrorists like Joe Stack for flying a plane into a federal building there is a terrible problem. Frank Rich touched on this issue last Sunday:
[...] Such violent imagery and invective, once largely confined to blogs and talk radio, is now spreading among Republicans in public office or aspiring to it. Last year Michele Bachmann, the redoubtable Tea Party hero and Minnesota congresswoman, set the pace by announcing that she wanted “people in Minnesota armed and dangerous” to oppose Obama administration climate change initiatives. In Texas, the Tea Party favorite for governor, Debra Medina, is positioning herself to the right of the incumbent, Rick Perry — no mean feat given that Perry has suggested that Texas could secede from the union. A state sovereignty zealot, Medina reminded those at a rally that “the tree of freedom is occasionally watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.”

In the heyday of 1960s left-wing radicalism, no liberal Democratic politicians in Washington could be found endorsing groups preaching violent revolution. The right has a different history. In the months before McVeigh’s mass murder, Helen Chenoweth and Steve Stockman, then representing Idaho and Texas in Congress, publicly empathized with the conspiracy theories of the far right that fueled his anti-government obsessions.
He's correct. We have establishment politicians endorsing radical groups in America. Like throwing fire on gasoline, no good can come of this. We were lucky that Stack only killed on person. His intent, however, was a lot more devastating. Look at what has already happened in the past year.
There are already signs of radical right violence reminiscent of the 1990s. Right-wing extremists have murdered six law enforcement officers since Obama's inauguration. Racist skinheads and others have been arrested in alleged plots to assassinate the president. Most recently, as recounted in the new issue of the Intelligence Report, a number of individuals with antigovernment, survivalist or racist views have been arrested in a series of bomb cases.

There can be no more denying that the level of animosity is on the rise. What do we do? We keep focusing on the people who own the gasoline. We keep exposing the money and people that are fueling this hatred and maybe -- just maybe -- people will stop, and look around.



and
Raine


 

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Comment by clintster on 03/04/2010 14:04:35
Morning everybody! Good post, Raine, even if the subject is a bit unsettling.

Comment by Raine on 03/04/2010 14:11:14
Thanks Clint. I did a few edits, but the message is still the same.



sorry it was late, Had another night of very little sleep...

Comment by Raine on 03/04/2010 14:26:03
Yeah... he really said that...







Comment by wickedpam on 03/04/2010 14:26:16
Morning



There are always going to be extremists going either way on an issue but the idea was supposed to be marginalize them not bring them out in the spotlight and praise them. THe times have changed and I'm a little scared of a lot of these people

Comment by Raine on 03/04/2010 14:29:54
Quote by wickedpam:

Morning



There are always going to be extremists going either way on an issue but the idea was supposed to be marginalize them not bring them out in the spotlight and praise them. THe times have changed and I'm a little scared of a lot of these people
Mala, you just gave me a good way to describe todays blog. Thanks-- I was struggling with that part...



Comment by BobR on 03/04/2010 14:30:13
Raine has told me her favorite bathroom graffitti ever was "anarchists unite!". Oxymoron though it seems, that is what the Tea Party has accomplished. It's brought a diverse group of people with varying extreme pet issues, and put them all under one tent.



whether they can co-exist for long under that tent remains to be seen.

Comment by wickedpam on 03/04/2010 14:42:33
Quote by Raine:

Quote by wickedpam:

Morning



There are always going to be extremists going either way on an issue but the idea was supposed to be marginalize them not bring them out in the spotlight and praise them. THe times have changed and I'm a little scared of a lot of these people
Mala, you just gave me a good way to describe todays blog. Thanks-- I was struggling with that part...







yeah! I get assist points

Comment by Raine on 03/04/2010 14:45:40
Comment by Raine on 03/04/2010 14:55:24


I hope they call it Project Pageant Walkin'

Comment by wickedpam on 03/04/2010 14:58:00
Just what TV needs more stupid

Comment by Scoopster on 03/04/2010 15:00:30
Morning all!



Ugh.. work work & more work this week!

Comment by wickedpam on 03/04/2010 15:03:02
Quote by Raine:



I hope they call it Project Pageant Walkin'




they already have Tiaras & Tantrums



Comment by Scoopster on 03/04/2010 15:04:07
Comment by Raine on 03/04/2010 15:23:58


OMG.



I hope that he gets the true support he needs. That is heartbreaking.

Comment by BobR on 03/04/2010 15:24:13
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:



I hope they call it Project Pageant Walkin'




they already have Tiaras & Tantrums



The Adventures of Caribou Barbie

Comment by BobR on 03/04/2010 15:26:11
Quote by Raine:

Yeah... he really said that...







retards of a feather stick together...

Comment by Raine on 03/04/2010 15:29:06
Comment by wickedpam on 03/04/2010 15:50:45
Comment by wickedpam on 03/04/2010 15:55:34
Jeffar is from Stargate

Comment by wickedpam on 03/04/2010 16:14:00
you have to know vintage 80's prowrestling - though I think George the Animal Steel goes back farther

Comment by wickedpam on 03/04/2010 16:23:31
chair dance

Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/04/2010 16:28:30
Good morning, bloggers!! Excellent post, Raine!



I fear that the fanatics are being feed a steady diet of fear and hate. The end result is that some will turn to violence or be ready to commit violence.



By the way, I found a response to a recent Chris Hedges piece that I posted on the blog. Rabbi Michael Lerner of Tikkun and the Organization of Spiritual Progressives responds with his own critique of Hedge's article on Obama. (You can find Rabbi Lerner's response after a reposting of Hedge's article here.)



I find myself more in line with Lerner for several reasons. I think it is easier to transform an existing party than replace a current one. Also, I think that we have to remember that any president will get competing forces for his attention. So, I think we have to offer an organized alternative to Rahm Emmanuel and like-minded persons.

Comment by wickedpam on 03/04/2010 16:35:18
Jennifer Coolidge rocks! She's one of the funnest things about the new census commercials

Comment by livingonli on 03/04/2010 16:40:44
Good morning folks.



Thanks to outlets like Fox News and the current GOP whackjobs it is much harder to marginalize these people than it used to be since remember that Buckley considered the John Birch Society persona non grata. Considering that it seems like any group on the left is now marginalized by the media and there is certainly no current equivalent of the Weather Underground.



As for the Winter Classic, I don't know how hard New York was trying to get it because there were rumors that the Winter Classic would have been used to close the old Yankee Stadium but there were concerns that it wouldn't be cold enough in New York that would keep the ice from melting. Hey, we do have three hockey teams in the tri-state area.

Comment by wickedpam on 03/04/2010 16:45:48
think I'm going to run my errand early

Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/04/2010 16:57:59
Quote by wickedpam:

think I'm going to run my errand early




I have to get ready for a job fair, number three of four this week. (I am pulling out all the stops to get something for fall or sooner.)



May I ask the people at Fox News where the left wing equivalents of John Stack are in this country?



Comment by Raine on 03/04/2010 17:02:13
OH! Good Luck Will!!!!





Comment by BobR on 03/04/2010 17:13:14
Quote by Raine:



OMG.



I hope that he gets the true support he needs. That is heartbreaking.


It's a private school, so they can do what they want. That's the downside to the Republicans push for all-private schools and school vouchers.

Comment by Raine on 03/04/2010 17:14:06
I just know if I can stomach Thom talking with Horowitz. I am so tired of him giving these people air time. The get enough on RW radio already. What is his purpose in this?



Comment by TriSec on 03/04/2010 17:28:24
Howdy folks.



Cleaning out the drawer of the blog mind....



The Winter Classic was a hoot. The only problem with Fenway was of course it's laid out for baseball. Some of the sight lines were rather long. Boston did the right thing and there was outreach into the community...free skates, a bunch of schoolboy games, and the Scouts and YMCA helped with marshalling and ceremonial duties. Of course, your mileage may vary.



Speaking of Boston, today is the day Henry Knox occupied Dorchester Heights, which of course led to Evacuation Day. If my desk faced the right way, I could see the monument; I'm within walking distance.



I'm betting "Ask the Pilot" is going to be about kids and ATC today. Speaking as a knowledgeable layman..."Cleared for takeoff, contact departure on 118.060" is about the least important of all the radio transmissions in getting an airliner off the ground. There's two hours of work to get to this point. I really didn't see any harm in it, and before 9-11, that would have been the "human interest" story of a slow newsweek.



However, miss the transmission and this happens.



Finally...for Scoopster and the Daily Kos link posted. Yes..yes they have every right to kick him out and ruin his life. They are a private entity, and as such get to make their own rules as to who gets to join, no matter how discriminatory they may be.



See also the Boy Scouts of America.









Comment by livingonli on 03/04/2010 17:42:47
Quote by Raine:

I just know if I can stomach Thom talking with Horowitz. I am so tired of him giving these people air time. The get enough on RW radio already. What is his purpose in this?



He wants to try to actually debate them on the issues as opposed to RW talk radio where it's just a circle jerk and they screen out the opposition calls. The problem is he pulls out some of these hard core extremists who continue to lie when they debate which if anyone notices destroys their credibility even further. At least the Thom Hartmann audience is smart enough to call bullshit when they hear it.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/04/2010 18:03:48
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Raine:

I just know if I can stomach Thom talking with Horowitz. I am so tired of him giving these people air time. The get enough on RW radio already. What is his purpose in this?



He wants to try to actually debate them on the issues as opposed to RW talk radio where it's just a circle jerk and they screen out the opposition calls. The problem is he pulls out some of these hard core extremists who continue to lie when they debate which if anyone notices destroys their credibility even further. At least the Thom Hartmann audience is smart enough to call bullshit when they hear it.






The right wingers also tend to expose themselves and their extreme positions, such as wanting all roads to be toll roads and to have no regulations on business or anything else. Or reveal a hatred for an entire religion.



BTW, over at UNN, we have a sign up thread for PKRT on Friday night if anyone is interested. I am throwing in a few news articles on the thread.



Comment by wickedpam on 03/04/2010 18:21:48
Quote by Raine:

I just know if I can stomach Thom talking with Horowitz. I am so tired of him giving these people air time. The get enough on RW radio already. What is his purpose in this?







which would be the reason that I don't listen to him as much as I used too, plus the fact that he's often saying he agrees with their points.

Comment by Scoopster on 03/04/2010 18:36:37
Quote by TriSec:Finally...for Scoopster and the Daily Kos link posted. Yes..yes they have every right to kick him out and ruin his life. They are a private entity, and as such get to make their own rules as to who gets to join, no matter how discriminatory they may be.



See also the Boy Scouts of America.


I realize the school can kick him out.. but the fact that his parents want him to go back to them on his knees to beg forgiveness for WHO HE IS is the thing that truly made me sick.

Comment by TriSec on 03/04/2010 18:52:21
Well, Scoop....there's no vetting process to become 'natural' parents (in marked contrast to adoption.)



Simply by reproducing in the prescribed manner society has decided that automatically makes you fit to be a parent.





Comment by Mondobubba on 03/04/2010 18:55:44
Excellent blog today Raine. There is and always has been a fine like between talking radical right wing smack and pulling off one of the largest armored car robberies ever to fund your effort to fund a "White Yeomen's Homeland & killing Richard Berg a talk show host because he was Jewish," filling a truck up with fertilizer and fuel oil and blowing up a federal building and blowing up the 16th Baptist Church. These are all acts of terrorism. Something I've been saying for about the past twenty years is the big difference between radical leftists and radical rightists is the ones on the right have more guns and an even crazier vision. Yeah I have been following them for that long.



Here's a fun hate map from the fine people at the Southern Poverty Law Center. Virginia, you are a piker with only 22 hate groups. Florida is number 3 in the country with 51.

Comment by Raine on 03/04/2010 19:13:56
Wow Peter's voice just went up 3 octaves. And he just keeps insulting Thom.

Comment by Raine on 03/04/2010 19:14:45
Let him TALK PETER!

Comment by Mondobubba on 03/04/2010 19:20:32
Comment by Raine on 03/04/2010 20:26:42
Media Matters is not really making a clear link, then. It 's a lot of tweets with no cohesion.



did you get the right link? What you posted was a lot of stuff about the CATO institute. Nothing about What Michelle was rambling about.







Comment by Raine on 03/04/2010 20:30:15
Here is where the link took me: http://mediamatters.org/blog/201003040027



Is this the link you meant to post? Not being snarky, I could be missing something here.

Comment by Mondobubba on 03/04/2010 20:56:58
Quote by Raine:

Here is where the link took me: http://mediamatters.org/blog/201003040027



Is this the link you meant to post? Not being snarky, I could be missing something here.






Totally my bad. Sorry. I've been juggling a chainsaw, a live kitten, and a lit torch today.

Comment by Mondobubba on 03/04/2010 20:57:56
He is the correct linky-dink.



Now I am off to the job fair (One of the things I've been juggling).

Comment by TriSec on 03/04/2010 21:00:37
Quote by Mondobubba:



Here's a fun hate map from the fine people at the Southern Poverty Law Center. Virginia, you are a piker with only 22 hate groups. Florida is number 3 in the country with 51.






It pains me to learn there is an anti-gay group based right here in Waltham. I shall investigate the matter further this evening.





Comment by Scoopster on 03/04/2010 23:45:23
Comment by Scoopster on 03/04/2010 23:54:18
http://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbageday/2009/Comedy_Goldmine/Goreld_01.jpg


Comment by BobR on 03/05/2010 01:02:34
Not sure I get that Scoopster... Is that Utah condemning women who get abortions or something?

Comment by Scoopster on 03/05/2010 01:07:02
Quote by BobR:

Not sure I get that Scoopster... Is that Utah condemning women who get abortions or something?


Miscarriages.. my fault you kinda need to see the original version of that strip to get the parody.